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? IWb tfTOmcoaride » blebb 9 ffl « tion ^» MdftKe ^^ jor from thorough knowledge .,. i , do not ; mean to com- ; ^^^ e . TmdiaMKpff ^ BJ ^ t ^ MttierJoTyi goiaor , ^ wickedness bit it « eguaUymesm , more mercenary , " and almost as Tindiotivei It is a right cnnningpaper j J Jojfever . ' It iwiU . seldom . eominit ilBelf to anyopli LnioH ina critical case , till in the , course pf the week ifcis brought on thetrail . and then it shall barka ^ aj ; m « til 6 ri 6 as ^; aiid kick jou ufa rare shin dy ^ Buti it happened : to ; anticipate the cne , and fell into any " mistake ^ iniConBequerice ,, it- shall lick youup it ? * words in tke tnrnink of a . fly-leaf . Really ,-1 never ; feel ao prone t » despair either fertile cause of Irei ^ land . or of manias when . Ifeflectupon the . ^ banefui t effects of such papers upon * the sense and virtue of -.. thebefiplet . '' and . How , seemingly ] . impossible it is to j eraui-ate the cancers . frprnsociety . They area race ! of moitKpfl 6 &yemin . VWouiijd 3 ; even healthy ones . ; fester , once their filthy slayer is applied to them .- A
ttce-hearted ; iarge-heaTied | . atriot \ T 9 « W moom and Wash at the hardnecessi | Syof . disiihioh ' i , ; Ho would yield everything but primary ; principlcs . And on'y ¦ when the last barriers of , nisi forbearance were invaded , and the essentials of free thought and fair discussion put in jeopardy ^ only then , and than with grief too deep for , words , would he leave - his post . But thes . wretebed—disgnsting . creatnres . how they do crow and jabber in such a contingency . . It is ftelr Irinmph . They can't go wrong they imadue . People say , they do someigood after all , hirelings as they are ; nay , perhaps , because they are hirelings , and will promote their own interests . Bnt , what ' s tte « ood ? They raise worthless , questions , fioht aimless qnarrels , get u > meaningless cries , chatter ftbm year ' s end to year's end abont O'Connel ] , as if the whispered approval of one honest man were not of more wroththan all their bsse and grovelling adulation . ' ... " .:. ' . . ..:. -.-.. ; - -..,. - ¦ - .: ¦ > :
* . To'the" pernicious inflnence of such . false and flattering counsellors—to the curseentailedupon him by their pestilent presencer-their hypocritical support—their fawning idolatry . I attribute the false and sad position in which Mr . O'Connell has lately placed himself , and the disastrous consequences that may result to the national cause from last Tuesday ' s proceeding . "A flattered prince , " writes Ben John-« on . ' ¦ becomes the prince . of fools . " , . Verily ; the flattery has been laid on so thickly , that the fo&la , I fearnie , will haye himat ( lrattotUeni ^ Wes . '; And , yet , whata . pity that amindso bright , and brave , and buoyant , should yield , eTen before age had yet enfeebled it OTer much , to this equally insidious , and perhaps . more hurtful disease ! - ¦ . .. In farther defence of : myself , or of my opinions
at KOrasIi , . 1 -snail not trespass on yon ,. but onjy -ask- farther permission to publish two or three detached opinions pertinent te this time : — ... > M . Although from revereiice to Mr . O'Cpnnell . il . would argue seriously with him ' , I have no hesitation in saying of Mr . J . O'CohneU , and more energeticaL ' y ¦ of Air , Sieele , that their inconsistencies in the inajtter of thia ' ctintroTersy are so glaring , their affected horror of tfie late article in The Nation so hollow , ¦ and their ' bad faith , especially Mr . Steele's , thraugl ; - ont , so manifest , that in my opinion a large section © f ; the country must necessarily , despise them for ever : and if , indeed , a larger or as large ; a section ^ hall still submit to the juggling imposture , it will only prove that the Irish nation deserrcB its late . ' : ¦ ¦ : ¦ ' :., r ,.: \ ' . _ ¦¦ ¦ '"' , ... . ' :
2 . Mr . Steele seems to roe , at present , a melancholy monument of the wretched condition to which even the highest order of minds may fall when they lose their virtue and independence . , > 3 . The citizens of Limerick let slipa noble opportunity on Wednesday , of serving their conn try . ' ¦ i , Expectantsof office and place , hate Bprnng up in such countless , numbere to sudden maturity throughout the land , that in many places , as in Limerick , ' the public feeling of grief and indignation ¦ hull hare no organ of utterance . Let it gnaw the people ' s hearts in secret . Shall patriotic placehunters risk their discretion before the public t
5 . John O'Connell , enlarging upon cases in which physical force and carnage would be all right ( having a pass from Ms office ) at the Tery time he was provoking by his contemptible intolerance ^ me n every way his superiors , is such an illustration of Shakspere ' a v-. . ,, ¦ . .., , ..- ' ; ' " That in the Captain ' a bnt a choleric word , which in the soldier were flat blasphemy . " ' as one does not rightly know whether he should laugh orcrjat . ! 6 . Mr : Steele ' s exquisitely sensitive regard for the interests of peace , order , morality , and moral force—he , having so often professed his readiness in ? nbli o aud private to take the field in a wink from I'Connell—hs beingstill ready , as he said on Tuesday , to hand over his religions countrymen to t | e English government , for a consideration , to wage all its murderous wars from Indus to the Pole , and slay at the rate of twelve-pence per day , all brave
defenders of their native soil , against the enoroachments and pollutions of English lust and rapine—he , glorying in the profession and practice of the duel—the most absurd , and contemptible , and criminal form , which the physical force principle could , possibly fissurae ^ -a portentous caricature of justic e , wherein an injured man , whom God and nature may haye qualified to redress his wrong , if it was expedient , with a high hand , abjuring the ! privileges of his power and his right , places himself on the leyel , or below the level , of-whatever puny and malignant wasp may have stung him—he , the known and notorious disbeliever in all religion—the scorner of so much Christian morality—this is a humbug go portentous , that , while itlatts , adieu to hope I ( Alas ! that the beau ideal to my youthful fancy , of honour , chivalry , and , truth , should . ' present to my maturer mind such an altered complexion . ' Hjw is the gold debased ! " How changed its hue most perfect . ' ) '
1 . The Repeal Association , deprived of tne valuable services of Smith O'Brien and Ms associates , would lose the confidence of the best half of Ireland . The other half might aid it for two or turee years to drag a languishing existence into oblivion . : 8 . Smith O'Brien and his associates should by no means ( which I deem a Vital point ) quit the Associ ation , even though expelled , unless a full meeting of its members shall be , duly summoned to deliberate and decide , upon so grave a subject . It is higidy absurd that such people as Steele and Broderick , and others , our paid servants ; or such as Wynne , because he chances to lire within the Circular Walk ; or such as Reilly , because he may have profited by O'Connel ]; or that any others , because they might now hope for some crumbs of Whiggery , should dare attempt to expel some of our worthiest , most loved , or most trusted members ; or even force them , by rnde interruptions , to leave our Conciliation Hail for an hour .
9 . The Repeal Association of Ireland should be disburdened of such hollow , worthless , and rotten machinery , as the Head Pacificator , The Pilot ) and similar offensive stuff . Tours , ever faithfully , Johs 1 £ exto . \ , B . G . C ., - Templederry . Chapel House , July 30 , 1 S 46 . P . S , —A clerical friend advises me that I ought to disclaim here any intention of taking up arms next week , or proceeding to cut the throats of all the abettors of English domination . I differ with him , yet I yield , and do hereby disclaim any such silly purpose . My reason of difference is this;—I believe that no disclaimers will prevent knaves and blockheads-from misunderstanding or misrepresenting a man of sense and integrity . And 1 would not connienanee the slavish , notion that a man may not boldly deal with a clear question of truth and
morality on its naked merits . He also say 3 that it might be useful to give an explicit answer to tins question—Why did the Young Ireland party introduce , or why do they keep aliro , * ueU a discussion at all ? Ilere I assent to his opinion more readily . This is the answer : —They were compelled , and are compelled to it . They would have willingly avoided it . They frequfcn'ly sought to hare bye-gones left for bye-gones—they abjured over and over again ail idea of physical force , while the Association held together or meaning to uso itbut in vain . They were driven into a corner . The question was forced upou tlicm—Do you think a nation may ever , in any circumstances other than plain self-defence , iawfu !! y resort to arms to redress any imaginable wrong . What could these men do ? Were they to belie truth , history , and human nature ? Where they to brand themselves poltroong , hypocrites and slaves ?
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TO TI 1 E EDITOR OF THE FREEMAN . Di'bun , Tuesday , Ayo . 4 . Dear Sir , —Though ' ycu may not agree ivitli the sentiments in ihe following remarks ffspecting the present siate of the Repeal Association , I trust to your well known impartiality foe inseriion of this letter in the Fueeuas ' s Joubxal . I eama up from my residence in Ulster to attend Conciluuicii liali yeatcrday , in the hope of rcceiyins some satisfactory explanation uf the strange and nainfol dissenswus which Jiiivc causrd tiie retirenient
of Mr . O'iiiiaii aiidwtherTji ' usd and trusted ineiHt « rs of the association . Iliad carefully studied the report of the |> roei > i'disu . $ in the i-. vo days' JcH . ite , without bc : i « ic able to < iiw any real dii&rence , e ; t ) ier doctrinal or practical on the subjeut wJiinh fanned the o stciJs 5 b ; e j ^ roamls « f qmrrri tciwrcn the two pai'liasofsjieflia'S nn ! h ; it occiision . Ybstaiday 1 listened with « lirep attcr . t ' ion to the speech oJ' A )) 1 0 'Co : mell , and to thos .. ' uf sev < -r . il other members of eomiuittce , au-1 I ii ^ nkJj confess my inta « l h yet in the same state uf ItcwiMcrnvait us to tlio cinrges irou ^ lit agaiusi Mr . O'I 5 ri « u and tae giuUeiiiui jeficnunatt-c ' Yiiujis Ir ; 5 rtnd . "
St > ? ar as I am able to e ^ nwvlK' !] : ! * » e dispute , tuo ase iimik tl * . ' -- -: ¦>» t « e Jat-. ' -. b&id » f U »« Ansoi-hn ) ,., ire cutir < : iv zpeed in « liei '( . -t : . ;' ,-e id Uie « r ^ in-: l < untitutiou oftiie asaociation , " ace « KJiss f > ninck w .-ircple d ^ dto i . -eaee . ib ! e , le ,: ni and aputu ; wal ueausouiy , ti . r the atlainnu-iit oi llepval . l in- hiw las been ' uniroriiilv wnd vrstoctl iiv u \> jawsber ^ -A l }; c issociation . aud is still uudeivstoodby . •' . !! mem'te-s of heassbciatioa , "tolwnc tie ridii of Felf-: ' t- ! i .-ns .-e lerfeotlv free to the use of any force , sufficient to rc-
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tcS : enable ito ; perceiTfl ., Jmi-1 difewncof , hetw ^ n ^ Wr O'Connell arid " Mr . D'BrieriiTHr . John ( yqonnejl and Messrs . -Meagher and , Mi . tchell , on , the subject of moral foree ^ ecc-ept dsffi ^ fc&mWiVM ; as much of ^^ priricipl ^ i nvolved a tbere woutd bc , „ quarrel about the uw of , the , Latin , instead , of the Greek lan guage for , ewressingihe game idea ,. v ; understood his forrajila . ishould . be . at , Aberty to sweflr by it . « i For Mr . . O'Brjen and . all . others , including ' nme'ifi ; , whpcannot apply . Mr ., O'C 6 nhell ' s interpret tation to the terms he choose *^ . employ , ; I demand the right of adherence , to the original , rules and . laws of the association . . '• ¦ C " , ; " * . "
,: And letj . all . Repealers forget absurd jealousies and unchristian personal feelings , and join in carrying out the moral force of bur country forihe aublime objret to which we professput ; devotion . , ' [' , ' , ' . j - -If ibe association do not repeiit these disgraceful proceeding 6 , it- ' seemsi to me inevitable , ' tliat thoje circumstances in our . organisation * which ' , have hitherto formed our greatest strength ' —Lmean , the unparalleled personal influence ^ of our great leader and the consequent centralisation of the agitation under his authority—will prove the ; ruin of the * national cauBe . The powers entrusted to the managers of the association by theconsent of the Irish national * isb , for concentrating the moral forceof the country and guiding it to the resumption of our rights ' as a free nation—that sacred trust will be perverted to the
weakening , the dispersion , . the destruction of our moral force . , For what is our ' moral force ?; . Is . it not the might of public opinion vindicating truth and justice ? Is it not the irresistibleinfluence onipiiblic opinion , which , in the circumstances of these countries , with a free , press ,, freedom of diaousaion , mu 8 t be excited by onr peaceful perseverance ia the rational , deliberate ,, conscientious ; declaration of our rights and pur duties ? . Our . right to be a free people making and administering our own laws , by pur own Quean , Lords , and Commons . . Our . duty as lrishimen to persist in working . for therageneration of our pauperiaedj degraded , country ., Thushaye I understood the ; apeeches of the great leader of the , association , and , of Mr ; O . 'Biien , Mr . Meagher , ' Mr . ' Mit-, chell . &o . Thus have I understood thearticlesof the
, chief journals adrocating repeal—the iTahim . and the Fruman ; AH ; thpse * . sppechrat .-. ^' , thpra ^ arlieb » * , I have uniformly regarded , as consistent with ;_ the constitnlional principles of our confederacy—the principle of «««? ' «//« ' «—W ; stated . in thooriginal riilea'of the association and In Mr . John OlCpnneira interpretation of the new . resolutions . - And I do so still ., ; ¦ _ But th « authority of P'Cpnnell | s name , lias been employed for directly com ; elling ' the retljremenl of Mr . . Meagher , , and indirectly by requiring subscription to a form of words containing a certain ethical or religious doctrine , for compelling' the re-Krenient of Mr . 'O'Brien and othert . As wellmight Mr . O'Connell requireus to wear a certain livery—to observe a certain medical regimen ^ -ba subscribe ¦ 4 te 39 articles : ' As / understand the plain meaning of the
words of his new resolutions , no Christian other than a member of the Society of Friends can hold it astvuo doctrine ; "' ' ' - ^ ' ' : ' - ¦ - ¦ ¦ ' ¦<>¦ - - - ¦ - ¦¦ ¦ » - ¦ ¦; . . - ; . ; And all these violent proceedings of last Tuesday are part of the policy and practice of moral force , At the command of O'Connell , conveyed by his son , are we to'disngard the rules of fair play / the dictates of generous feeling ; to forbid freedom of » peeeh in the ' only ' substitute ' we ' -have'for an ' jlrish senate , and all under the pretence of vindicating the principle of moral force and carrying ; out 'the policy of conciliation ? And is there , indeed , to be an un ? reasoning and unquestioned dkMorthip Vi control our consciences respecting principles of truth and jnstice ? . The Romans ; long ago , appointed dictators in times of danger : but it was not for carrying
out the policy of moral torce . famulus and i ? abius had other work than a vocation againBt the shedding of blood . ¦ ¦ ; : ¦• • . ¦ : ¦¦•• -: Now , a word as to the polity of these unfortunate proceedings , and I have done . Mr . O'Connell , in his speech yesterday , pointedly attacked the Nation newspaper and " Tourig Ireland" as treacherou * to Repeal , by pursuing a course of conduct calculated to trlgnten the Protestant gentry from the association . * Now , I am a Protestant gentleman . I am an inhabitant of Ulster ; my family has resided there for generations . I make bold to assert , that I know the sentiments of the Protestants of Ulster , at least aa well asMr . O'Connell ; I have no hesitation in
declaring my opiaion , that thepresent conductor the association is calculated to ruin the cause of Repeal ' with the Protestants of Ulster . Their grand objection to Repeal is a dread of-Roman Catholic ascendancy . . Freedom of speech , freedom of opinion , civil arid religions liberty in Ireland / thsy say ,-would be at the mercy of Mr . O'Connell and the Roman Catholic clergy after Repeal . And thev are strongly prejudiced respecting Mr . O'UonneR ' s realsentir menti on these subjects . It follows that the late exhibition of abject submission to Mr . O'Connell ' s authority , and the forced retirement from last Tuesday ' s meeting of all men who dared to profess independence of his dictation , will confirm those injurious pvepossessions ef the Protestants of Ulster .
The success of our ' peaceful-struggle depends on the conversion of a respectable portion of the Protestant non-Repealers , Such conversion depends , in my opinion , " entirely on the honest employment ol our moral force . " If the association will fairly and openly state all its proceedings ,-publish the accounts of its expenditure , vindicate freedom of speech and action , consistently with ear original rules ; and in all respects pursue the direct course of peaceful agitation—then , and not till then , will the Protestants for . et their feara and jealousies , and join in a peaceful struggle for nationality . -
In allthat I have said , I do not mean anything opposed to the rightful authority of O'Connell as our leader . I do feel it as a cause of pride that we have for oar leader the greatest public man of tbis age . He is grown old in peaceful triumphs . Be i 3 despot of the Irish Catholics , by his hold on their gratitude for uriparalleled services . >• lie has through a ( on < c life preached lessens of truth * and justice ; and it is not wonderful that at length his authority has become so great that many yield him unreasoning submission . ' "But ray allegiance is solely to his truth and
justice . " If he , yielding to human infirmity of mind , from which neither a Napoleon nor an O'Connell is free , forget his own lessons of moral force , and employ his hold over his countrymen ' s affections and judgments for ministering to his ;] accidental personal ' grudgeB—then ,-1 say , we owe to ourselves , as under discipline for freedom—we owe to this great man himself , as careful of his fame , and as proving we have profited by his teaching—to do justice in these unhappy dissensions , by vindicating the principles of civil liberty . I am , dear Sir , your obedient servant , ¦ ¦« .- ¦ •• John Martis .
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( Continued from the First Page . ) Two modes of governing Ireland had been tried : — the first was by coercion instead of conciliation , and the second was by depriving the Irish of-the same privileges as Englishmen and Scothraen enjoyed . Noivhe would turn the tables and try a different system , instead of bringing forward this oHious mea sure , ngainst which at a former period there had been fifty-one divisions and the discussion on which occupied fifteen davg . lie repented his advice to Ministers to drop tbis bill , and instead . of continuing coercion let . them try conciliation ,: ( Hear , hear . ) Us conceived that the speech of the right hon . gentleman damned the bill . ( "Hear , " and laughter . ) lie wa ? ;; iixi' . iU 3 to give the : Miuisters a fair trial ; but he ' OiilJ not understand how men , who had separately condemned the bill , eon Id collectively spj > - poir it . he concluded by moving that tlio oil ! be ie , » d a second time that day six months—or that . day month , for he thought that would be sufficient ' . ( "Hear , " and laughter . )
Sir . SnAW « ai < S , tliat when this bill . was originally H-oposed he was no advocate of it , but he did not think it deserved the character given it by the hon . member ( Mr . Home ) . It was not a coercion bill , and every one who pleaded could have arms registered . . :- ¦ ' ¦ . . - ¦ Mr . Escoti said he never was more astonished in his life than when he heard the hon . gontllGman the Secretary for Ireland advocate thnt mcavure in th < j war he did . No one , he owned , would administer a tyrannical law more mildly than the lion , gentleman would ; but he did not conceive tkittuat was a sufficient reason for entrusting the peace of Ireland to the hon . Member and the Lord Lieutenant for the next nine mouths . ( Hear . ) When that mcastuc was fir 3 t brought > brwar < l , three years , ago , by the
' ate governracnt , the lion , gentleman opposed it on the ground of the great mischief ' s tliat would ensue , and of the attempt { hereby made to . destroy the constitutional rights of the people of Ireland ; and yet hQwasnow doing the very tiling he then reprehended , lie would read to him the very words he then used in speaking of that 15 ill ; lie s : iid , " The Bit ] is a whole volume of coercion , in tvhieh tyranny U elaborated in every varieiv ol' form . " ( llwu . ) Ko , lie \ ras now gohi . ? to vota Cor tyranny elaborated in evarr-variety of form merely because lie ! md ehanacd fr-im one si < lc of the house to the other— ( ht-ur . ) iJut tho hou . ucniiOinau statiid tic l'P'wou fuvMiloi'laiiiiim
' . Jiat mwiwrc ; iLe ao )> . t-ent ' raMn who fivsi bvoauht fcrward tlie nn-asure Jid ^ ive tiiom a reason , -sucli as it * vus . He said tiias tbi-y had so long persevered in a course of c'H-. rcion to wards tlie iicopic of Ireland . that it would i .. e dsnaeroisa to a !> ftuiii . n tlmfc policy—( iiO 5 r , hear J \ VS : en , he wmiM sisk , was ! lwi argnjnent to oca-v- ? lie had _! mjicd it w ;\ ^ to cease v ,-1 kmi t j" « - U ^ Lou ! *»»•• liitj psiwer , l-utljc }> .-i ! | . . JI ihctivetJ —( hwf , he . ;; . ) ^' -. ( Jws The uohlc Loivl »» v « ;> valid rca-on '•' «¦ that Hill v . ? ry iioncst niiin in tint iiouse iiius * . yo ' o sjraiiiat i :, if i . c wialieu lo maiiittii . ! Lis chunictci iur i . t-i ^ iiy mid c ^ -iiutsncy —( hear . )
Mi * . 1 ! cmz !] j ;> i : l- ]! L Hi-.- ( jai'sti'iH whs f . ol vrliMhor two or threo o ; " th * . * < P' « 'Vt .-MiJ : iont ha < i formerl y votui ! against tho incasure wii . ' -ii it was last before' tiic house , but whether a lnnkrity o . ' tliu governm-snt
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'had'T 0 te * 8 jr « iB 8 Htas ( hearrhear .- ) -He would advise i ^^ teii ! fc « fi ^ ^ . en Trfere ^ npj ^ at , a discpunt ^ with J ^ e , pebple—a" Bir- ! min ' gh ' am discount of seventj ; .-fiye , per ceht ^ flclii ' sli- ter . ) Thep . reaentMinistrywerVnotsecure ' ih ¦" their ! places ; iheir , tenure of p ' ffiqe , pood on a , Tery smallji foundation ;; " . theywerfi . watched bya large ' pprtibn ' pf ; the people wM ^ great suspicion ' , and'if . they passed ' that Bill without . good reasdh , the people woiild think , / arid not . withpu changed their principles when ^ they crossed from one ' side of tliathoiise . ta . ' th ' e . " 6 thcr ^ - ( tiiewv . hear . ) He , regretted that gorerhmerit had not become wiser ,
but they did not really seem to , have done soj ' ' for they , were now advocating a coercion measure similar to . the . onc they brought ' forward twenty years age . ' lie felt strongly on the subject , because he ^ wisl ied to support ' government if ! . ' possible , but hi the-present instance , he . consideredrthaiby , doing so ^ he should be degrading and "disgracing , liimsclf ; lie should , therefore , vote , for the amendment ^ niearO ' , / , . Messrs . S . CbaWford , K . Yorke , ' -J Bellxw , Hobsmai » , and OsBOBNK . ppp ' osed the bill . \ " ; . Mr . Pioot supported it . Ho was a very active opponent of the former . measure ^ but . th e question at prcsent . was , what was now best for the ' people of Ireland in reference to this subject —( here )—and he felt that it was best not to tamper with thoni by patchwork legislation . ( Hear , hear . ) Ee objected
to the present system when it was a ~ new one , because of the annoyance , of a new registration , and the difficulties that hampered it , and because of such provisions as that which prohibited a blacksmith from following his trade withbutresignation ; but the COUrse be i now took , was , perfectly consistent with originally opposing the measure . * .: Very few ' registrations hadtaken place of , late months except , in one octwo , cdunties : ; rthe greater jiortion . of the arms in Ireland had been registered ; few registrations would take place under this temporary , bill , and diirihgjCs continuance the entire . system could be considered with a view , to : its amendment next session .. ( Hear , heari ) It was ; true . that there was , the _ p 6 pr . ' of domiciliary , visitation , buthe could bardlv think any
one could believe that the , government would use it vexatiously under this temporary , law , when ; tliey avowed that itwasnpt to continue . ^( Hear , hear . ) [ Mr . OsBORKBreferringto . this ' fextra ' prdinary . ' specimen of legislative reasoning ; said , he had been ¦ much struckindeed : with : the ; speech ; ofi . the . hon . nieiiil * er for Olonmel ^ Mir . Eigot ) . He . kne > spmethitig-of OlonmBl . and he ' rather thought : tliatveven though he were to take the . repeal pledae whole he need not expeottohave ; himself . proposed again by a rigtit rev ... doctor > there ; u ( Hear . ) The hon ... gentleman , though always opposed to coercion before , supported it now , and then turned round and said we ought to have confidence in the government ? 'He should like to know , what reason there . was why they should give thiseottfiuencetogftvej'iiment . , ,, . ; . . ..- .. !
Mr . Dukcombe said the hon . member for Clonmel was the only member on that side who had attempted to show why he should , vote tor the Bill , but he ( Mr . Duncombe ) thought there were other members on the Treasury bench whom it behoved to explain the votes they should give upon that question , and new * more so than the noble lord . who was considered , by some means or , other ,, the Prime Minister , of that country ., ( LiHghtw . i" IThat Bill had been approred by the hon . gentleman land the noble lord , for reasons stated in their speeches in . l 8 i 3 . V On a former <* yemng , not xnan ^ weeks ago , ke liad , asked' the tobble lord oh what pniifciples , he meant to conduct the government of the country . ; That was considered an impertinent question , and he incurred the . displeasure of the noble lord by his question ; he , alsa , in-,
curred the , displeasure of several hon . gentlemen , hia friendsj who were then getting very many berths , and who would now support the noble lord in hisapostacy . If ever there were occasion forsuch a question , it had arisen how . The noble lord had said , lie would conduct his government on the principles lie had always advocated . . Then that . must be a bill be had always iadvqcated--- ( hear , hear , )—and yet , in ! 1843 , he had saidi speaWng of tbat Tcry bill , '' If we are to be ' told that this isasample ' of the mode in which Ireland in to be governed , I think wei plight to present ari address to the . Crown for some government : ' ? \ ( Hear . ) Those were the principles on which tliey had always acted , and now , as a tribute to apbstacy , they were urging the house to carry that ' measure . ( Hear . ) On what principleidid they turn out the late government ,
unless oh principles of non-coercioii ? . Neyer was a Ministry turned put by ; : a procedure more . uiiEatistactory to the country , " more discreditable to the house , and More dishonourable to ¦ tiie parties succeeding . themj than ^ that divbipn , or the . combination , by which that division was obtained . ' Did they suppose the country would forget what took place in November , when that non-coercion Ministry was . offered the reins of Government on free trade principles , and when they shrunk from forming a . Government , leaving it to the right hon . baronet , whom they had just turned out on the question of non-coercion for Ireland ? ( Hear ) Was not the , pretence for their then inability to form a . government , that one noble lord could net agree that another noble , lord should preside over the Foreign Office ; and yet did they not n"w see both noble lords in the Government with their former differences perfectly healed and reconciled , the one as Secretary for the Colonial , and tiie other at the head , of the Foreign Office ? ( Hear ,
hear . ) Did they for a moment suppose that the people would be bamboozled by such shallow farces as these ? The right bon . baronet lately at the head pt the government had incurred obloquy and . asperfilon from his former friends , in his determination to confer oa the country great commercial advantages ; and be was turned * out of office for bringing in a coercion bill . Yet the first . act of the present government , who baJ taken the lead in turning him out , was to ask for a renewal of the present coercion bill for Ireland . ( Hear . ) Their conduct had been styled infatuation ; he considered it something worse than infatuation . Let those who held petty places falsify their former votes and be dragged through the mire in support of tbis measure ; he , for one , would do his best to defeat it , as those very gentlemen had duue when they gat on the opposite side of the house . ( Hear . ) . ¦ Mr . Pbotheboe expressed his regret that he could not , consistently with the views he entertained , give his support to Government on the present occasion .
Lord Mobfbth was not so much afraid of any charge of apostacy as to claim any latitude for himself , because it had been his fate very often to propose arms bills for Ireland , and never to oppose them . He had , it was true / voted for the first rending of the Coerc'on Bill , and he had voted against the second rusuUng of that bill , but not with any notion that he should beable to 'dispense in future with a » y of'the existing laws for the protection of life and property in Ireland , or . that such laws would not be required . He thought that the question had been treated ; with much exaggeration that evening , and that tho people
of Ireland would not think that the Government were seeking by this measure to embody in their legislation the principles which they liad condemned in tlie legislation of their predecessors , butmerely that they were desirous of not doing in August what would be done better early next session , in" the hope that the mode adopted by the Government of administering the powers thus entrusted to them , and the measure which they would be prepared to introduce early next session , they would not be found to violate the confidence reposed in them . After a few words from Mr . Spooner ,
Lord J . Uusshll said he rose , after the many attacks made on the 'Government for proposing the continuation of the bill , to sueuk , first , as to the point of consistency on which the honourablei gentleman , the . meniberfor Finsbury , dwelt ' somuch ; and , next , as to the nature of the proposal made to the house . The hon , gentleman held that it waa very inconsistent that he ( Lord J . Russell ) should [ vote for the continuation of a bill , some clauses of whick he diabpprored of . Now . the question for consideration was , wheihei 1 bo ought tit propose the continuation of that of which he partially disapproved , or whether he should move the alteration' of the clauses , or should propose to drop the bill altogether . Now , if he had proposed to drop the bill altogether , as was ivonosed . hy the lion , member for Montrose , nui ) was
probably desired also by the hon . member for Fius-Ijui}—( hear , hear , from Mr . Duncorubo)—he should have been acting a more inconsistent part than wan alleged by the hon . gentleman , because during the ten or eleven years lie had held office he had continually voted for bills of this description . With respect to some of the clauses in the bill , " ho must admit that ho thought some of them had been vexatious . If the bill was continued till next session , tlie vexations could , be few in number . But they -were now on Ihe second reading of the bill and if any hen ; gentleman ! tiwuuht that with regard to any of the clauses , that it would he better to omit them , it would bu in his'power to propose amendments to that effect in committee , so that the measure could be deprived of those clauses which it might be deemed would operate vexatiously .- ^ Hearfhcar . ) Till a change took place in the condition of Ireland , he was not prepared to say that they should at once and without consideration abolish that whkili had
been the practice for fifty jeara . With respect lo the measure introduced by the late ' Government for the protection of life * ind property in Ireland , neither he noi' his ! colleagues di'irioil that a great many murder- ) iiiiu other outrages had nnfortuniiiely token placft in that country , but what ( hey contended was chis , that the measure was not calculated to remedy tho uvil . VV'lmn tho house considered that only hi the month of ivJarcli tost these crimes were very vile in Ireland , and might be so- again in November or December , his belief was , thnt to repeal tho measure would be | -o give encouragement t <> crinu * . —( Hear , hear . ) If such was liis opinion , lie could not shrink from proposing till" sec ;> ml rt : ; it ] i » i ; of the bill , n » r could he shrink , hawover unpopular it might roiuler U ' mi , Iron ) atrki . ' ^ g thehoose to pinue the fctuiio l ' esti'ictimi tm the . 'Oss-.-sei'Mj oi' arms in lrcl « ntl ivliich Ii-h lier ' -t ^' ore ( -xistetl . TJsey . unfortunately saw from tlie eviiicnee on recent trials in Ireland , Unit men in i ! mr country Mere mid / to liiidcitake almost anv
< le ? d w strousty . And lie had do doubt that if tho h \> Ksu '( lirew «( 't ibis nieflcitiro , it would i . vtf cncoiu' - n ^ emcui to t ' . e must ubaniloiied eharactors in Irclaiui .
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l—Mft- ^ tlhnfooMMi- ^ ^ On-that-prmciplo ^ hen-this , w ^ r aaBfa ^ iK » fc tMisBill w 6 uld B 6 ' p ' ermanffit ; - ; But to ^ ko , I * w ay at ' ohce ihe ' power already cpnfeiTed ! m _ thati H ^ would Iw ^ glfid'if theyrcouldi but'he-did not ; teliev ^ thaVthey wouW'be able ' eren next acssjon to , Srt ' wlfii ' ^ whole of thi s Bill Stance . -But hw feelin g w » 3 that they WouldVemo ^ the most obnpx- , S ^ rts of it . ; With ' : respect ; -to ^ . obsMvation whieh fell from the Hon ¦ Member for Birmingham , he ( Uoid Joliii ; Russell ) , was not ' prepared ' to adt ^ . t , thatany'feai of unpbpuJafity , W »^^^ geaa ^< tW 16 m % f power , ' would ; deter him from tkkiae ' meh ' atepB as , he conceived necessary lor tne K
protection of life and property in i »»™' ' - ^ # tiie late G overnment ' coriceiyeel another measure , was necessary for that purpose , and one waa brought forVr ' ard . 1 The"Him . member . forFinBburj-seemed to think' that he ' gave great ' annoyance to' the present . < j 6 Teipni » ent , by bis panygencs ; 6 n ; the' right hon . ; Baronet Hie ineinber for Tamworth . He ( Lord John Russell ) cqttld assure thei honi " - 'gentleman tbat / . this eourie did hot iti the least annoy ; him , for he quite concurred that therighf hon . ' baronet eminently ; de--served them for ' whaihe haddohe' oa the-principles of frce'tradp ^ and that praise muBt ever attend Jiim , on acciovint of the sacrifices he ' had made on account of the course heliadad' -pted . ' f rr ' ¦ ' Mr . T ; Doscombe . —It uftjjuite a matter of indiffercnc to m « i whether I please or offend you . ( Laughi . \ ' " ' ' ' ¦ ' ' ; ¦ •¦ ' '* : > '¦" ' ¦ ' ' - ; ' '• : " ¦' '' ' :-: ' ' I Wltl ¦ ¦ ¦
..- _ . :. . -f .. . .- „ .... ..... . - .. . .,: - , _ ' Lord John RyssKtL « aid if the hon . gentleman had always expressed the . ' iain ' e feelings' towards'the' late governmen t , it . was ' a . greatpity he ' did not d 6 ' niore to preserve them in * p ' fl : ce * by giving iliem more '? e 6 nJ-8 tant ' 8 upp 6 i't : * i- ( laiighter . ) : But'the question now for tlie consideration of the house wasi whether they would ag " r « e to tbe ' secoia'd reading of the BilL- '! . He was quite ready to liaien to ' any proposal fdranalteration of tiie clause ' s ^ wheg they went into ' committee . ! ^ L ' prd 'Seymour , * ' Mr ^ MitpsiAr , Mr . 'GbvzBOVRtt , andotlierm ^ mlwrs . hayingspdke ^ •• - - " Mr . ' poliETT . -as JDhe'bf the few ' Irish memberspresent , ; could hot giye ' . ' si sileHt ^^' yote < iii a measure which hecptisldereauhcalledfor .: unnecessary , inapplicable , ftli&'ipeffici ^ t ^^! pn ¦ Mahday " ¦ ¦ h e ^ 'hiW ¦¦ ' seen ' ¦ e » idence aiiffiriifiht of the ' estimation br the public of the
Croyerrimentjn consequence ( . of theircpurse on the flog-. giiig qiiestiO ' n' . ^ Tli ' e hpni-gentlemoii excited much merriinent'bya ' isplay ^ plaoai'd ' - " opposite the' Treasury Bench ;) "This ; Armi Bill '(! aie ° . tne , fini . 8 h'inB '» trolce ^^ coffin ~ and they would soon be" buried ^ never to ; iit / e » gain .-r { Grreatlaughter : ); . ; . ;• . ' ^ . V . ^ . / ;> ' ^ V ' v ' Colonel , Sibthorp , rose amidst ¦ . loiid / ' cries ;" . of V Divide !" '; IIo had voted against thei ; l » teI'Gpvernment becausc ' he considered ^ it was' their ^ duty ' to'haire introduced a real measure of coercion . —( Laugliter . ] The pwsen ' t Government elhibit | d the Sam ' ftMorftl cowardice ., , ^ He had ' no confidence in'tbe ' m '; ' and he must therefore take the same coDrse lie had adopted with rfifererice to the last Cpcerei 6 n ' 'Bill . ' ' : The hbuse ; then divided . Iwhen the numbers ' were" '
, " , Fof . the Mcondi ^ OTirig- v . iy ..... ; .... v ... ;' ., p 6 . ' , ' ; . ' . Againstit ; .. V .. ; . V < 7 ... ' . V .-. V .. ^ . vM ; . ' .. ' ....... ^ ....: . 23 . ! " ¦ : " Maj 6 rity ; u , ^ , »; :, u ; , ; . ; ..,. ;^; iM , ; : 23 i Mr . Dunooudb severely commented on the conduct of the ' . ^ Ministry ; with ' referehce . tp this , measure ' . ' , and . said they . had ' caught ' sjeyeral votes by a vague prbmisa to omit . tjjepbnoxjons clauses ^^ alluded to ' . ' 'He ;» sljed if the noble lord would now come forrard and state , in a sti ' aishtforward manneri what he intended Jo do , instead of dealing with the subjeot in the equivocal maiiner . he . did , and , waiting i . or the opportunity of a majority from the .. Opposition . He denounced the contradictory and shuffling policy of the Government with respect to Ireland , and exposed the inconsistency ' oTseTerar ' of | tamemb ' 6 ' rB , in . totin ' gJor . 'the '" BiH , after having assisted to overthrow the late Administration on a similar measure . . ' . ''¦ " ;
A desultory and somewhat warm discussion ensued , in which Messr s ; ' Hume , V . Smithj B . Osborne , Munte , and rLaboucherer took " part . The matter ultimately dropped , on the assurance of Lord John Ruasell , that the Bill should be printed , and that in khe meantime the Government would consider the clauses . that ought to be . struck out . There , were several to , which he had great objections , but the manner in which they were interwoven with other paits , required some consideration to detach them . The BilV ^ as then ordered to be committed on Monday next . . ' . '' . ""¦' . The other orders were disposed of , and the House adjourned | at a quarter to one o ' clock . , HOUSE OY LORDS . —Tujesdat , Ahoust 11 . Thei Earl of Fobtkscub presented a petition , praying for the abolition of flogging in the army , and took occasion to pass a high encomium on Col . Whyte . -
Lord Bkoughaii also bore his testimony to the Colonel ' s conduct , and expressed his opinion that the charges brought against that officer were unfounded . ¦ ' ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦¦; ¦ ' ¦ ¦¦ The Duke of- Wklunoton-said , that liaving , in conformity with his duty ] considered fully the con * duet of Colonel Wbyte- in the late transaction , he could assure their Lordships that there was not the slightest ground for attributing blame to Colonel Whyto . or to ' any officer in the regiment .. -The Noble Duke then declared that it bad long been the wish of all connected with the command of the army , particularly the late Duke of York , to diminish
corporal punishment us much as possible ; and that principle had been acted Mpon by the best commarideraduring tho last fifty years . But it was found impossible to discontinue corporal punishment altogether . The experiment had been tried in the East Indies , but in consequence of relaxed discipline , insubordination and mutinues , floggingwas re-established . His Grace then stated that he had ordered the severity of the punishment to be considerably mitigated , and pledged himself , as far as possible , to diminish the exercise of it ; and concluded bis statement by expressing his hope to live to see corporal punkhment in tho army abolished altogether .
Lord Bkacmont inoved for papers and correspon dence between this country and the courts of Vienna , Petersburg !! , and Berlin , respecting events which have recently taken place at Cracow , in . violation of Hie T / eatv or Vienna . The noble Lord related « the occurrences which took place in Cracow and in Gallicia , and called on the Government to interfere . : The Marquis of Lansdownb admitted that by the Treaty of Vienna the independence of Cracow was guaranteed , and therefore it became a right , and more than a right , in the contracting parties , to sec that tho spirit of the treaty was firmly and fairly carrind into effect . Bnt the acts committed in
Cracow had jeopardised the peace , not of Germany only , but of nil Europe ; and the neighbouring state . ? , findiug the conspiracy to be wide spread , demanded of the Government of Cracow to put down the disturbances . The Government , however , confessed they wortt unable to do tbis , and it was on this representation ihafc steps were taken to occupy Cracow by the troops of tho surrounding countries , and by force to attempt to terminate so deplorable a condition of things . Under these circumstances , the troops of Austria entered and occupied Cracow . But communications had passed between tho three
Powers , and in n short period Cracow would be relieved from military occupation . With respect to what had occurred in Gallicia , this country had no right to interfere whatever . The Noble Marquis made no objection to tho production of the correspondence . , Tlie Duke of VVjstLTNaroNsaid that khe occupation of Cracow by troops was an uudoubted breach of the Treaty of Vienna , which ; if not already explained , should be explained to this country . But , when the treaty was made , a state of things such as has lately happened , was not contemplated ; and if ever the breach of any treaty was justifiable , it was in this nasp . nf firMnw .-
After some vevnavka from Lovd Kimmi > , tho papers moved for were ordered . J 10 USE OF COMMONS—Tuesday , August 11 . ' ¦ The Speaker took the chair at ten minutes past twelve o ' clock . Mr . B . Escott gave notice that on Monday next , on Che order of tho day being read that the Speaker do leave the chair to go into committee on the Irish Arms Bill , he would move that the liouse resolve itself into a committee on that day three months . ( Hear , hear . ) Mr . Duncombe presented a petition from certain
of the inhabitants of Ashtou-undcr-Lync , praying for the immediate disi-harge , of eleven children who wero now in custody uiiiier the Mastfrs and Servants Act . TIio petition set'forth tliat tho children had been in the employment ' of Messrs . Mason and Son , and had been sentenced to . « even days' imprisonment with hard labour , for stopping away from their work . The petitioners eomplaiuod of the injiistioo of . the law , and prayed the house to institute inquiry into it , antl CHUse ' such alterations as , upou consideration , they might deem advisable . The petition was ordered to lie on the table .
Mr . 1 'akkur remarked , ( hat as he saw Mr . T . Duncombe in his place , he would beg him to postpone his motion for an inquiry into the circumstances attending the dismissal of Thos . Mitchell , a sub * sortor in tho Gsncval L ' osfc OIKcd , who had petitioned the house , complain ing that his dismissal was occasioned by proving in evidence certain malversations and corruptions on behalf of his supertor ' officers As l \ o ' ( Mi . Pavlu'i ) had upon the pmious'day u \ o \ wl fora copy of tho evidence connected with the subject , lie hoped the lion , member would agree with him , as the hnuac was not now in n position lo fto into the . consideration of the ^ subject . ( Hear , hear , hear . ) Mr . Duxcomdk was so f . illy sc-iuiMo of the giv : if . Iajj ) Orhilieo oi tho !!< . >; :: ;;; Iv . viii ^ ;; il fci ; . ; ]'; icts dl ' llufiivs biftirvi it tfi . ii . ho vrsiCA , \ t catv iiiisiijoii-j id (< m < ' - tion until Tuesday next . ( Hear , in . ar . )
. Mv . Vv ' ahd , in ruyly to a qua ; U .: i ! , stilted tlitvt Hie law oiKcci's having ilotennined tli : it . the court-Jiiai ' - iml hold at' Cork , whlvh lately aciii ^ jice' ! > t marinv to he hanged , was iliep , ully iwiwtiiuud , (? 'C j-rocecdioj ^ s had been douhvred null , ami She oflWcr hail been sent back to his company .
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, _ Lord . Johk RuBBBii ,, in answer to Mr . Wyiiams Mmmwoiffiffiffimmvrnmr&Taia& sure fonthe ; regulation andiexaminatiOBj mi future sessions ; of >; RaiIwAy ; iBiIlSjfand would . mate ) some proposalirelttive' toK-theitformatioaiof ? ajRiilway Board !; buUbey had found , that it . would , be r both undesirable ! and : impracticable to . interfere with the application of ' capital to railway enterprise , and that , therefore , they - would . not meddle with that part . of the Subject . ! : i ; - ' : ¦ :: >' : ¦ - , i' \) t' f . ' t . i fiiitfi ! ^ r- < > 1 i \ h On the third reading of-the Deodands Abolition .
. Bill , - !• , < : ¦ .,,.- , . ' ., <¦ .-. ¦¦ „ , «; : :..-,,, . ¦ , : ,., , » „¦ :.: ¦ Mr . S ; Wortlkt objected to the Bill , as ono that had not been duly considered , and whioh dealt with questions fall of difficulties . He proposed that the Bill should be postponed to next session , and that in the meantime a select committee should beappsinted to considor the law relative to deedands .. ^ - . > , v . After a'discussion . in which the Attorney-General , ' Mr . Wakley , the Lord Advocate , ! Mr . Henley , and . Mr . Crippstook part , the house divided— •>;„ :-v ; . - ;/ For the third reading ... - . .. ! .. : .. > 31 :: » . \ Against it ... ...... ...... , 6 ,: ' Majority ; .... ; ... r ¦¦ ¦ ... .. . .. * 45 ,-,.: The bill was read a third fameand passed . ... ; The Deaths'bj Accidents Compensation Bill was read a third time and passed . # , J The Small Debts Bill was committed pro forma and some ahiendmenta made in ifc . ' ¦¦ ' ¦ .
____ __ The Contagious Diseases Prevention Bill and the Lunatic Asylums and Pauper Lunatics Bill , passed through committee . , ' . .,. -. < - ' .. • The Medical Practitioners Bill was , on the motion of Mr . Waklkt , read a second'time . " The Lords ' amendments to the Art Unions Bill were agreed' t 6 " .- ¦ - ! % -t ^ . ¦ ; :- '¦ ¦ ¦ , '; . J *; . ^^ , The houseJadjonrned from four to five o ' clock , but on tie Speaker's resuming the , cbair . at the latter hour , forty' ^ members had hot assembled ; and the : houseadjourned . ' '' '¦ ' * ' ¦ ' * . ' ' * '' ' ' "' ; : ;< ' ;' - ;' ' . ' ' ' ! HOUSE Of COMMONS ,-V ^ psMpir ^ iAuocsr 121 Atthe request , of Lord MoKPKTH , ! Mr ,.. Mackinndri consented' to place ' in ! tne hands of thai noble l 6 fd his'Smoke ProhibUittn . BiilJ'iHe ' expressed a'hope that public feelingwould compel the Government to carry both ) this bill , and the Cemetery Bill into effect in an ensuing session . ' ,, ¦ ..,,.. > ,.. - ,. ,. > - v ;
The bill , was then ordered to be read a second time that day month . ' ' i The Turnpike-roads ( Ireland ) Bill- went through Committee , . - ¦¦¦ - v ^ ih' •• . .. '¦ : ¦ ¦ . : ¦ : •* -: ¦' ¦ ¦¦ ; . > : ? i ' , ~ , u .- ¦ . !¦ ¦ ¦ > : my i On the motion that the house resolve itself into a Committee on the . ,, ¦ ... <; . .,-. > ;
ir RELIGIOUS OPINIONS RELIEEBILL , Mr . Estcott gave notice of his intention to propose certain additions to the bill , as it did not give , that perfect relief which ' . it ought to * giveftp ' persons affected by theold law , - ¦ ? " »" . - . v « i ^ =.-. •;¦ . ¦ f ~ 'Lord J . RtJSSEixsu ^ 6 st 6 d that Mr . Esfibtfc , should withdraw the . amendments of which be had given notice , and bring forward " the " subject next session , i Afrer a ; short conversation . 'in which Mr . ; Henley , Mr ; 'Estcourt , Mr . rShaw , and the Earl of * Surwy , joined , " the house , went' into Committee .. In the Committee ; 10 ' a . : T'Vv : ; ^ s , . ¦ . ' 7 ^ , m \ ; - ¦• ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦
Mr . Escoit , on the -first clause being read , observedjhat , though it repealed the . penalty , for otiences under the statute , it did . not repeal the , prohibition .. ,. The ¦ offences . prohibited by > the statute would therefore still be offences at common law ,, ard the oflenilers would be , liable io indictment . -He therefore proposed < to' add , ] certain : words to . the clause which would also repeal the prohibition . : . Lord J . ; RussBix thought . , that if the . house adopted this amendment , it would go beyond the intention of the framers of the bill . It was not the intentipnof the House of Lords to render that lawful whicn was unlawful at common law . : After , some ,, discussion the committee divided , when there appeared—For the amendment ... ... 10 . Against it ... ... ... ... 53
- ,: ¦ ... - , Majorily ... ... ... 43 ¦¦ Mr . Escott then declined to press the amendments . . : - " v , ' - ¦ ' ,. ' •• ' - , '¦ - ' ., '; -: ¦¦'• . ¦ ., '¦; _ . / flie bill then passed the committee , and the house riiumed . , . - ' ,. " , . , ¦ , . - ' . -.. . ' . ¦¦' , ¦ . •• ' • : ' . . ' ¦; Several bills were then advanced a stage . - ¦ ¦ . The house went into committee on the Rateable Property ( Ireland ) Bill , after Mri . S . Crawford bad withdrawn his rosolution , that there ought to be only one Valuation for all purposes of . local taxation , framed on the net annual value to let , determined on the principles laid down in . the Poor . 'Relief . Act . ' The clauses up to 33-ware agreed to , with some verbal amendments .. The Chairman was then ordered to report progress , and asked leave to sit again on Friday . The other orders were then disposed of , and the house adjourned . , / ., . ¦ .- ' -.:
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^ NorriNGHAM . —A three counties delegate meeting : of frft'nework knitters will be held on . Monday , the ? 4 th inst . at the Dove and Rainbow , Parliamentstrast , Nottingham , at ten o clock . in the forenoon , whm delegates from the villages and towns of the COantics of Leicester , Derby and : Nottingham , arc particularly ; requested to attend ; to take into consideration ; the mission of Mr . Felkin , who is authorised by the Central Committee , of the National Association , to receive tenders for the making of 100 frames , and other business of vital importance . : ' : ¦ ¦! Thomas Winters , Secretary . . Boor AiVD Shoemakers . —We have received the fcllcvwing from the City Trade : of Boot and Shoemakers : — ¦ - •• •
The lute disagreement : among the different sections of our trade in LddiJod , y vhich has c ; iused upwards of 1100 of its members to secede from the General Union , has inflicted a serious injury on tliat portion of its unfortunate members , who at this slack season' of the year , are obliged to tramp the country in search of employment . Our intention therefore is , according to our long established practice , to make a provision for those men on the road ; but not 1 avin _' , At present , any other means of calling' the attention of our sliopmates in the country to this important subject , only tinough tho medium of tho Northern Star , which , on all occasions , has been our friend and advocate , when our cause wns just , we embrace this epportunity of informing all sections of our trade throughout the country who may wish to correspond with the City of London , they can do so by address , ing their communications to Mr . Wainner , D . C . Ploughcourt , Fetter-lane .
TO THE INHABITANTS OF THE TOWN AND COUNTY OF LEICESTER , [ From a hand bill forwarded to us by Mr . Winters , we uivo the following extracts ; we have not room for the whole : —I Gentlemen , on the 28 th of July , I felt it my duty to address the following letter to the " Leicester Journal , " " Payne ' s Advertiser , " and tlie " Leicestershire Mercury , " to inform the framework knitters , and the public generally , that the manufacturers could afford to pay better wages by Is . Cd . a dozen , than what they were paying , and that tlie promised 3 d a dozen were only partially given , and that by some who had reduced their work-people since February last .
Sir , —The fruineivoik knitters , as a ' body , hava for some time looked i ' ohrurd ivitli anxiety to the Passing of Free Trade measures , as the great panacea of relief , by extending their trade , and augmenting their wages , which ( by the byt ) in' some eases have beeu considerably reduced since February last . It ) i ; is been siiid by maij of tho manufacturers , that if those principles were established , they should moat assurealj be enabled to advance wages . Have they doue so generally ? Has one mnnufi \ etttrev 'advanced the wlvole of his wovkpeeple 1 0 » b ov two , who pay lower wiiges tliau others , have , I understand , advanced , or promised to advance , 3 d . per dozen - , but where is the bulk of the manufacturers ? Cannot they afford , to give move , or , ' av c . they in danger of foreign competition 1 Do tbey anticipate an invasion of our homo
trade , by the continental manufacturers ? If so , where is the truth of their philosophy ? If iiot . why cannot they afford to advance wages ? It is a truth tliad twelveibirtceutbs of our trade , is homo trade . " Competition has donouo barm , or can do , " says tho political economist , when I say again , advance wages . Or , if tlie manufacturers expect a convulsion , let them inform the public in time . Some , say the umrkvts lire not sufficiently improved to warrant an . advance ; but this tale I have always regarded as a subterfuge , because I have been informed by niil '" BfiM ! ' urers i two j-tars "go , that then , " they could afford to give Is . Cd . per dozen more than what they were pay ing , if othei- manufacturers would do the same . " Why has it not'been done ? Because the
geiiorul axiom , now is " getting , " Unprincipled competition , the uii-king of hundreds , the ruin of thousands , rulus predominant . The Scoteh manufacturer pays more by 2 s . 6 d . por dozen , than the manufacturer in this country . How is this to be neeouult'd for ? EcllO au&lVvl'S , huw ? Ve have heard much of the sulVurings of the Goatacrc peasantrv , and recoiiiniendations from the manufacturers to the framers to give up n portion of their profits to raise their condition . Tha old proverb of " Chanty be " * msat Uoinu , " is reversed in tliis case , ' twere wtllit woi-e not . Tlie large profits of manufacturers nobody will dispute ; the raising uf mansions proves it ; thtn let them hiive the good sense and humanity to set tlie example , by l'ttlilKllliSllillfC a portion of those profits , to ejihniiuc tliu social contiiiiou of their poor woi- ! : » sopiu .
I am , yours , ka ., Leici'stu , July 2 S : ! i , 1 SW . Tudmas Winteks . The above letter was inserted iit the . "Leicester Jonmal" and- "' F ^ yuc ' s Advevtiscr , "—v .-Siilo tins editor of the "Mercury" excluded it iVoni their e .. ! uwu > , \ ul luid tho uufaivnoss to insovtu leail ' " aniflt MSJiiiKtitJil great le « glli—but uiiU ; o ! uly i '« r ( lie editor , he-was- net able to confute one sentence , or [ irovo . r . i . c uiiUulh . Then { bl ' uvt's a bill , drawn sip foi ' tuitht I Unow to the contrary , by the . sanio pdittu ' , sogiutl by Slvo . vi ^ khsg men , as a reply , which , like the clitor ' s , U no reply a . t all , as it does not even uteifipt to deny what I stated . The editor of tin ' Times" wrote au article aeaiust the stockingers ,-
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the "Mercurv" colpied-it entire , wiiBfefiia rkV in 'itrfeVbW r 7 antt-MfU 8 edrto-insert'a-wply ryetjtbi 8 i , "the paper . ^ w ^ Pg bKM v ^ .- | fMw * frlei "i of stockmgers / ' ^ BaV ^ ays the ^ J ' . Meronry , ' Mr . Winters is a Protectioni st—I don't deny it . I am a Protectionist ; £ 0 is ey « ry forking . man who jqina a union for the , protection . of , wges .. ., rThe printers , brushraakers , goWbeafers , tin-plateworkerii , packers , moulders , stoekingers ) glovers , tailors ; ' and a host of others are «« Protectionists . I belong to an asaocia-. tion entitled " The National ' Association for the Protection of Industry /'/ But-tqthe point ,--- ! said that they could afford to . give Is . 6 a . a . dozen more , Mr . Orertpn said w , an 4 he . was ^ willing , ( ifotliera would ) , to give it . ' I ' saidreductions ^ had takea place since Feliruary last : —ask C . Billson , N . Corah , J , Underwood , W . Smith , ' Warburton ,, Thorpe , Mitchell , and others , whether they have not reduced their hands , some in money , others in extra work , from 3 d . to fid . a dozen . ' - ¦ ' >'¦?¦ 'a >" - "r
. The Manufacturers of Ilatvick pay for work in a 21 ; guage , which is the medium one , as follows , -. Men 8 ......... 28 inches long 6 J inches wide ......... log %$ t Womens ... 25 .... 5 £ ........................ lg 6 ^ Youths ...... 22 .. . 5 . 7 s 9 d , Merie .. „ ,.,.. 27 ............... 6 ........................ 10 a Od , Womens ... 24 ............... 5 J-....................... i 8 s 3 d , Youths ...... 20 . ' ; :.. ;; :........ 4 J ; V ... 7 » Od , . The Manufacturers of Leicester pay for Mens ,.. 5 s 3 d . , Won > en . « ,,. 4 s Cd . : Youtbs 1 ,, 5 j jj ( and the same strange difference is found , throughout the whole list ofguages and sorts . I say the working men of Leicestershire are intitled to the fame prices . ' - ¦¦;¦ .- ¦ •¦ "jr- -.- ¦ ¦ . ..-i ^ , ¦; ,. ¦ . ... .. Working men depend on your own united strength —Protect yourselves—establish factories of your own \ —I have a letter , by post ibis morning from the National jJnion , who want tenders for the making of 100 Frames . ^ ' "'Once let one hundred be put to work , thensee who will be "the weaker party . " r > ' ¦ : ' ¦ ' I am j Gentlemen , Your humWe Serranfc Leicester , August ; 11 , 1846 . i Thomas . Wistkbs . NATIONAL ASSOCIATION- OF UNITED TRADES FOR' THE PROTECTION OF IN-/ i DjOSTIlY ,.. . ....- , ; ,: . -. - .-, vt . .:,, .. ( it-. ¦ -. .,-, „ - The Central Committee met . at their office , SO , Hyde-street , Bloomsbury , on . Monday , August 10 th , T ; , S . Duncoiiibe , M . P ., "in ihe' cbai ' r . After ihe reading of a Voluminous' " mass of cdirespondeMce by the secretary , the committee resolved , v .- ; ..-.. ^ ¦ ¦ That asllr . John Bush , the vice-president-is . Hboutto pi-oceed to ; & Conference of . Carpenters . at Manchester , he ; be herebj Huthori 6 ed . to wait on the ; Trades of Bh- - minghani , Belper . ^ Cradley , Bordersgreen , Manchester , Lye , Boch ' dale , Xiverpooi ' , ' &c ., ' on behalf of the Associa . tibn . * : ¦ ' "; " ¦ ¦ ' - ' - '¦•' ' •'•' ' * -yy ~ : ¦ . ' :: ••;•• - . - ¦ ¦ ¦
' A ' deputation from the Protective Union ; of Silk Hatters , waited upon < the committee to ask , several questions relative to the rules and , ; practices of the associntion ; , tbc answers appeared to give tha greatest satisfaction . ; , ; " Mr . ; Wm . . "Baker , " , the Secretary of'the Paper Makere Union , of England and Wales ; 'atteri'ded the office , and paid in £ 59 lOsj , being- the amount of subscriptions , &c , . duehum that , body . After the transaction of business the committee adjourned . The amount of ' subscriptioris for the w ' eek exceeded £ 100 . . - ¦ > ' - ' '¦ ¦ -1- !{ ' : l - ;
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MANSION HOUSE . . The RoBBEnr of the Loud Maiob . —On Tuesday , tha justice room ' was crowded by persons tvho were anxious to see James Fitzsimmon , the man charged with having fobbed the' lord . Mayor of a gold watch ; : nd appendages on Monday week at the Blaekwall Railway station . Ths curiosity was the stronger , as it was known that the prisoner has been for some time distinguished as a prominent member of the swell mob , ' and that he had been brought before the Lord Mayor himself a few months '' ago , in tha custody ' " of Daniel' Forrester , from Masterman ' a hank , where he hud'been watching f . * r victims The prisoner , who was . defended by Mr . Hobler , walked into the bar with great confidence .- The following was the additional evidence . — Mr . lames Hartley , o £ BrWge-street , Black , friars , soUcitpr , stilted that l ) e was standing with the Lord Major , when the prisoner and the' smaller man , who wa » described by the other witnesses , were together , close to
his Lordship . 'Witness fixed his eyes upon the two men the moment they csme out of the carriage on the railway— -The prisoner ( to the witness ) . —Come , come , speak up , so that every one may hear you . —The witness . They came suddenly in front of his Lordship . In a moment the shorter man disappeared , then the Lord Mayor cried out that lie was robbed . "From the manner in iriiicu they both acted , 'it was quite evident that they , were in concert , and I at once judged from their appearance , that they were bad characters . —Oh dear ! so you know . a thief by his looks , do you ?—Alderman Gibbs ; Did you observt them in conversation ?—Witness : Certainly . —The pri . soner : State what you heard us say . If you thought u » bad characters you ought to have listened to whatwa said . —Mr . H . said he did not hear the conversation . —AU derman Gibbs ;• Should you be able to identify the compa . nion of tho prisoner?— 'Witness : No . doubt of it . —Mr . John Hall , of Bishopsgate Without , warehouseman , eonfirmed the statements made by the other witnesses , in which tho ' prisoner and the shorter man were described as being-Jin concert . ' - The- ivitness was ' - behind the Lord Mayor when ho saw the prisoner and his companion close
to his Lordship . When the Lord Mayor called the police the prisoner slunk back . Here the prisoner , at tlie do sire , of Alderman Gibus , put on his iiat—Alderman Gibbs : Put it more completely on your ' head . —The pri . soiier : I can't . " My head is too big . The hat is just as I wear it always . " What more can be -wanted 1—Mr . John . Jnmes Harris , watch manufacturer of East Smithfield , here stopped forward , and sa d , that he had a charge to make against the prisoner . ' He thenstated / thut on last Friday week , at half-past eight o ' clock in the evening , a person of gentlemanlike appearance , and taller than the prisoner , walked into the shop and asked to see some pa . tent gold lerers . Witness showed him three , and ha ¦ wished to Ece still better , and spoke about not liking any Geneva watch , or any Watch not of English make . Witness then handed down ; v fourth watch with aheavy gold chain . , There was a lady , in the shop at tiietime who > va » known to wituess , aiid who was looking at ear-rings , « nd at that moment the prisoner entered , and pushed roughly by the lady to , reach the party who was Ipokiii }; nt the watches . In an instiiiit , by a wonderful sleight of hand , the -watch and chain disappeared , and the prisoner , too , followed by his companion . , .: ,
" Alderman Gibbs—What did the prisoner say upon entering the shop ? Witness—When he squeezed by the lady to get to tiie plncc where the ' party was looking at the watches , he said to me , " -Mr .-. Harris , what do you charge for cleaning a lever V I replied 4 s .,. and the prisoner went out , and after him went the other party , rind so rapidly was the thing done that they were both out of tlio shop ' before I discovered thnt the watch was off . Miss Susanna . Harris said , she was in the shop when the pri . soner entered and asked her father what he would chnrgo for eleaniii (» n patent gold lever . She was positive the pri . soner was the man , and she was confident that she saw the other man hand the prisoner something .
Here a lady in deep mourninjr stepped forward and said —I should not like to swear , but 1 am almost convinced that that is the countenance of the man who vobbed me Of £ i 2 uta banking house in Piill-mnll East , on Monday week . I was in a stiite of great agitation at the time , having just left my husband on his death bed . I think three of them followed me into the banking house , I had two distinct views of the prisoner . He hud pushed tha door open for her as she entered , and he also pushed it open for her as she retired . Alderman Gibbs—Can you swear to his identity ? The lady—I-should ,-- not like to swan to him . I think I can swear to him . The face is exactly that face . . Tho prisoner—I rievsr saw the lady ) efore . . .
Alderman Gibbs remanded the prisoner till Thursday next . Tlie prisoner ' s confidence and self-possession were evidently shaken , when Mr . "Harris suddenly appeared to give evidence ngiiinst him . He , however , soon recovered , and showen a disposition to bully the officer who had him i » custody . It is reported tliat the Lord Mayor ' s watch was broken up immediately after it disappeared from his Loydship ' s fob , as in the absence of the prisoner , it fell into the iKinds of some of tho juniors of the fatternity , who got rid of it with all possible expedition .
THAMES . Police Officioussess . —The Libertt of tite Subject . —On Tuesday a decent young woman , named Sarah Harrison , was charged by William Moss , ' a police constable of the Hi Division , with being disorderly and assaulting him ill the execution vf liis duty . The policeman s .-iid the prisoner wns opposite to tlie Earl of EfiiiigJutm Tavern , ia the , Wlutccnupel . voad early that morning with a number of other prostitutes miu disorderly characters , ami lie told them to go away . They moved on n short distance , and he went round his bent and dowu a passage lending into the Whitiuluipel-ruad , where there was a tobacco manufactory he was desired to watch , and saw tlie prisoner and other females njjnin behaving disorderly , and desired them to move on . The prisoner refused to do so and abused him . He took her into custody , and slio put herself into lighting attitude , and struck him twice . Mr . Sjmous , tho chief clerk , endeavoured to obtain from the policeman
what " disorderly" act the prisoner had committed , but he could not define it . The prisoner in deloiiee , Siiitl , ShO iras tlie wronged party , and tliat she was not a prostitute , but pursued a lawful calling and worked hard for her living . She had been to the theatre with sonic friends . On ; he way home they went to the Earl of Effingham to obtain somerciroslimeiits On coming-out she went juSt u'ithin < i passage with a female , and n ; is conreraiug with her previous to parting , when tho policeman came up and applied very had language to her . She pushed him a « : iy , and tolil him he ought to be ashamed of himself , on which , lie viijiciitiid tliu ^ epithets , used her very rouahly , and tooU her into custody . John Stubbs , ayoungnian , one of the mvty who had been to the theatre with the young woman * confirmed her statement in every particular , and repeated the epithets ' applied by tho policeman to the prisoner ,
which were of u very gross description . —Mr , Drodenp - R ' as any blow * struck ?—Wituess : Xone , Sir . 1 saw a scuffle when he seized the young woman , and he held her arms down—Mr . Uroderip : What is this young woman ? —Witness : She is a bout-binder—not a prostitute , as tho jiiilU : uin : iii li .-is cicscribvil her . —Mr . JJroilei-ij > : VVliai d » you think of this c .-isc , -Mr . Svmons ?—The Chief Clt-rk " l am quite satisfied the charge is unfounded . —air . llrodurin : And so am I . The - policeman has not only most improperly iutui-icvtfd > with this female , hut he has ; 5- .. islieil uiost ilssgustir . " l : » iguai ; o . to l > e » % ! Uld lttiseoui ) u-Acil Jiimsdf grossly jnila-il . 'iho inspector ought to t :-ku notice of this ease . —Inspector Dnnegati . I will , Sir —ii :: ISroilerip : Very wf-ll . The young woman is diseh : iVj , Ti \; she ought w .-t to have been taken into custody . it all
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Northern Star (1837-1852), Aug. 15, 1846, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1379/page/8/
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