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    and you answered well and briefly , so now answer me what is the art of Gorgias , and what he is to be called : or rather , Gorgias , do you yourself tell us what art it is which you practise / ' Rhetoric / answered Gorgias . * You are , then , a rhetorician ? ' * A good one , if , as Homer says , you call me that which I boast of being / * And you are capable of making others so ? ' i I profess to be capable /

    Soc . * Should you , Gorgias , be willing to continue questioning and answering as we have now begun , and to let alone , until another occasion , that length of discourse which Polus began with ? If , however , you promise , < lo not fail to perform , but answer with brevity what is asked / Gor . * Some answers it is impossible to give , except at

    considerable length : but I will attempt to do it as briefly as possible : for this , too , is one of the things which I profess ; that no one can say the same thing in fewer words than myself / 8 . This is what there is now occasion for : be pleased , therefore , to exemplify your brevity now , and your power of enlarging another time .

    * Since rhetoric is the thing you are skilled in , what is the subjectmatter which rhetoric relates to ? Weaving relates to the making of clothing ; does it not V G . * Yes . * 8 . * And music is about the making of songs V G . ' Yes / 8 . 'What , then , is rhetoric about ?' G . ' About discourse / S . ' What sort of discourse ? that which teaches the sick by what regimen they may get well V G . ' No / 8 . Rhetoric , then , does not relate to all sorts of discourse / G . ' It does not / S . ' But it makes men able to speak / G . 4 It does / 8 . And on the matters on which it makes them able to speak , it makes them able likewise to think / G . * Certainly / 8 . * Now , does not the art of medicine enable people to speak and think concerning the sick V G . * Undoubtedly / 8 . * Then

    medicine likewise relates to discourse ; viz ., discourse on the subject of diseases / G . 4 It does / 8 . * And gymnastics * relate to discourse ; viz ., discourse on the subject of good and bad habits of body / G . ' Without doubt / 8 . * And the same thing maybe said of all other arts : each of them relates to discourse ; viz ., discourse respecting the subject with which that particular art is conversant / G . ' It appears so / S . 4 Why , then , do you not call the other arts rhetoric , being on the subject of discourse , if you call that which is on the subject of discourse by the name of rhetoric V G . ' Because the other arts relate . m a manner , entirely to manual operations , and such like things : but rhetoric has nothing to do with manual operations ; its whole agency and force are by means of discourse / » S > . * Now I partly understand what you mean ; but I hope to understand it still better . Are there not two kinds of arts ? In the one kind , the greater part of the art lies in action , and these arts have occasion for but little discourse ; some of them require none at all , and might be performed in silence , such as painting , sculpture , and bo forth . This to the class to which you say that rhetoric does not belong : do you not ? ' g . 'You understand me rightly / 8 . 'But there is another Kind , which perform all by discourse , and require no action , or very

    By tho word ' Gymnastics , ' as will be seen throughout this dialogue , the g reeks understood , not any particular sort of bodily exercised , 1 h « entire art of raining the bodily frame of muu for the ends of an active life .

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    Plato ' s Dialogues ; the Gorgia * . 693

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  • Monthly Repository (1806-1838) and Unitarian Chronicle (1832-1833), Oct. 2, 1834, page 693, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/mruc/issues/vm2-ncseproduct2638/page/17/