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      C Continued from » ur TJiird page . ) at Ccfn . The persona following Mr . Frost - ^ ere a 1 med , some with pike 3 , others with guns a . w \ sticks Some were willing to go en , and some not . Those who were unwilling were ordered to b' / keptup . Arrived at a place called Pie-corner ; saw ^ j n ros there . Mr . Frost said the guns shoved * take the front , the pikes next , the bludgeons n extj aiui t \ ltu the people without arms . Was wit jjjn a few yards of Mr . Frost % vhen he said that . On Mr . Frost giving these orders witness went t 0 him and said—* ' In the name of God what wa ^ he goiii" to do !—was he going to attack any pl jce or people ? " He gaid he was ; that he was go ' to attack Newport and take it , to blow up or ' o ow down the bridge f Continued from $ ur Tliird page . ) liC * ,. The ™ . fciu-s ™ Mr tw __ .

      , witness could not say whi ' , and stop the Telsh mails from proceeding to ,, Birmingham ; that there would be three delegat es there to wait for the post an hour and a half tf ta time , and if it did not arrive in time the at ' . act was to commence at Birmingham ; from th ' jnce it would spread to the north of England and Scotland , and that would be a signal for the wh ole nation . Witness told Mr . Frost he might as we , l lead them to a slaughterhouse to be slaughtered , ? xTV ( i that he imitated a butcher leadin g a , fleck of l imbs to the slaughterhouse . Witness oeeged of aim to desire the men to return to the hills . Mr . Frost replied , Do you think so ! " and tnraed . away with a scornful look , as witness thought . ?> iis happened at Pie-corner after break of day . The Toad was liRcd with people further than he could " see . Witness did not afterwards remain with the

      mob . Jumped into the briars aud brambles and hid himself forgone time , and thus escaped , going home as fast as he could . Had endeavoured to escapa before , at Sisca in particular , but was prevented by people placed on the road , and competed to go on . A great many persons were forced on in different places against their will . On Sunday night before stirting the pass-words were given at tlie Coach and Horses , f hepass-werds were " Beans" and * Well . " Parsons-whom tliey-sent out , and who did not know ihese , pnss-words , were to be made prisoners . I know Jones-of PontypooL I had seen Frost in the kitchen of the Coach and ( Horses on Friday aight , and I saw Jones ia the pa ^ agc . Chartist lodges vrero held at Tthat house . There was a meeting of delegates that night there . I attended that meeting ; it was held in the long room .

      Cross-examined b y Mr . Kelly , —Tell me the name of one person , if you can , who was forced to proceed -against his will!—It is a thing impossible for a man to tell the names when so many hundreds were about . I repeat my question ; I ask you the name of any one person forced against his will . Can you giv ' -me a name or not?—I can gke you my own name for one ; my brother-in-law for another . Give me your brother-in-law ' s name?—Thomas Williams . Where'does he live ?—At the same place I live myself . Now , name another , if you can ?—At Risca , I suppose , there were 400 or 500 people , and at Jlr . Cross ' s house there were 100 more and we were all in a : mind to return .

      Is that an answer to my question ! Give me the name of one person if yoi can?—I don't know the persons' names . There was one man of the name of Cooke . lam positive he was forced to go ; he is the agent to Mr . Leacon . Now , can you name any other!—There are & great -many now in Monmouth , but 1 don ' t know their names . Tell me what yon are by business or occupation!—-A'Collector . For whom do you work \—For Mr . Protheroe at present . Is that the gentleman ( Sir T . Phillips ' s partner )!—Yes it is . How long have you been in his employ?—At different times . But how long from the present time!—For the last month or six weeks , or perhaps two months .

      I want to know whether your employment began -after the riots at Newport!—After . How long after?—Two or three days after . I applied to his agent . When was it you first gave information to anybody as to the proceedings of this night of the 3 d of November?—I gave it the next day , after I went to work . When was that!—We were idle two or three days after the day of the riots . Was it in the same week!—Yes , we were all met together and talked about it . When did you first hear there had been a riot!—1 heard it on the same day . How long after was it that you first gave the information!—I can't say . Was it two , or three , or four days!—I can't say . Was it five?—I can ' t say ; I think the first information I gave was on the Sunday .

      To whom did you give that information!—To Daniel Evans . Did you not tell him all you have told us to-day !—No , I did not . Then , what information did you give him!—can't say . Yes , you can , and you must!—I can't say particnlarly . I ask you , on your oath , what you told him concerning the riot What was it you told Mr . Daniel Evans!—I told him I was with the mob . I ask you what you told him!—I told him what happened . What did you say to him!—I can'ttell you ; I have told you as nearly as lies in my power . I ask you again , upon your oath , what it was you told to Daniel Evans?—I don't know ; it is no use for me to go over a thing I don't recollect . What was it you told him ? come , out with it!—I told him what I ' have said here .

      I ask you upon your oath , man , to tell me what you told him?—He asked me if I saw Frost there , and I told him I did . What else!—He asked me where ; I told him at the Coach and Horses . Well , go on ; what else did you tell him!—I told him we went from that to the Greyhound . I told him that he said he was going to meet Zephaniah Williams with 5 , 000 men and Jones at Pontypool with 2 , 000 more . What else beyond that?—I think I told him that the guns were ordered to the front to bo proved . Anything more , or is that all!—I don ' t remember that I said anything more . Then now , after Daniel Evans , to whom did you give information!—I gave a few words to Mr . Protheroe . When!—The day that I was examined .

      Am I to understand you to say you gave no information , except on the Sunday , to Daniel Evans and to Mr . Protheroe on the day you were examined ?—Not to my knowledge . Hew came you to see Mr . Protheroe on the day you were examined!—I met him at the Westgate Inn . What made you go there!—I was taken there by the constable . Do you mean that you were apprehended!—I was iaken as a witness , Daniel Evans told me . I want to know whether he took you as a prisoner ? He told me my time would not be long ; he only wanted me as a witness . Where did you go in the first place!—I went to the Union . Who did you see there!—I saw Mr . Edwards there . Did yon see Mr . Edwards before you saw Mr . Protheroe?—Yes

      Did you make any communication to him!—Yes , I gave him some littleinformation . What did you tell Mr . Edwards?—I told him nearly the same as I have given to day . Yon will swear that!—Not all , I believe . Do you believe you gave it all!—No , I don't think

      I did . Have you reason to believe any part of the information was kept back!—No , I think not ; but I was not examined so closely as I have been to day . When you came before the magistrates , who examined you!—Mr . Coles . Were you desired to state all yoa knew about this matter ?—Yes , I was desired to state all I knew . about the prisoner at the bar . When did you first tell anybody about a man having said that the soldiers were all Chartists , and the arms and ammunition packed up and were ready -to come up if you want them?—I don't remember . Did yon ever da it!—Oh yes , I hare . Well , did yon tell it to Daniel Evans?—No , I did not . Then tell me to whom you told it!—I told it to llr . Edwards , that and many other thin" * I hare not told .

      To any one else—to Mr . Phelps ! -I told Mr . Edwards m the street . Did jon tell it to Mr . Protheroe!—Not to mr knowledge . What time was it when yon left Bla « kwood on & finnday evening?—About 7 or 8 o ' elock , I think . Where were you at day-break!—At Pie-corner . S How long did you stop there!—we made no stop ' . How far is that from Newport?—Between two and three miles . How soon after you had been at Pie-corner dill yon leave the people * -I got under the hedge and ecrambled through , and then got through the fields . How far is it to Pie-corner from your house!—The road we went might be twelve miles . What time did yoa get home ! -I was home by ten o clock . J

      How long were you going home ? -That is more tnan l can tell . j ^ b ^ riKff fifft ^ ittieasfta * ^ j So ? DOt Ulbed ! hor % after nine o ' clock ! - Do you know Mary Jones ? -Yes . y she come to yonr house that morning ! - Were yon in bed when she came « -Y es . ¦ ¦ ^ "ssaasafflras

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      have mentioned . —The same man I hare mentioned , with a glazed hat and drab coat . Do you know at all who this man was!—Not his name . Had you ever seen him before ?—No . Have you ever seen him since ?—No . Did you never hear him called by any name ?—I heard some people say they thought his name was Reynold . Did you hear him addressed by any name!—No , I did not . Was there any other nerson who was present and within hearing when irost saul what you have stated ?—Not people that I knew . Is that your handwriting ( handing th « deposition of the witness to him ) ?—Yes . have mentioned .-The same man I have mentioned , with a lazed hat and drab coat .

      ( The deposition was then read , but did not differ materially from the evidence which the witness now gave . ) Were the guns ordered to the front to be proved once , or more than once!—Only once . Were the guns ordered to the front more than once ' ? Yes ; they were ordered to be in front at Pie-cori > er and at the Welsh Oak . How long have you been in the habit of attending meetings of these peoplo?—I attended the fir ? , t that was ever held . I never attended another on t ' ae Friday night . Was the first meeting long ago!—Going' jn strong for twelve months . By a Juryman—Did you hear Frost make any remark upon hearing of the statemeu t of the man with the glazed hat!—No .

      When at Pie-corner Mr . Frost ma / ie a statement to you about blowing up the bri'l ^ e , and so on , did he do so in a low voice to you personally , or that all the people might hear ? -It was not aloud voice . Was it told you a 3 a secret —No . Were you obliged to hide yourself after making your escape!—Yes . For how long , do yttu think!—Not many miinutes . While the crowd was passing!—Yes ; but I did not lose above ten or fifteen minutes .

      George Lloyd examined by Mr . Sergeant Ludlow —1 live within two hundred or three hundred yards of the house of Zephaniah Williams . I remember on Sunday evening , the 3 d of November , being on my way homewards from Nantyglo , a little after six o ' clock . A number of men , about forty or fifty fell in with me . They asked where I was going . I said , " Nowhere particular . " " Oh , then , " said they , " d—n your eyes , yon must come along with us . When they said I must go along with them , they pushed a dagger they had at the end of a stick , which touched me on the breast . I was taken to the house of Zephaniah Williams , when I found a great many persons outside and inside . About one hundred were outside . A great many had in their

      hands different sorts of weapons ; others had none . Some had spears ; some old knives at the end of sticks ; others long iron roads , pointed at the end . They presented me with a piece of a- mopstick . We were directed to go to the mountain . I went along with them . The moutain is about two miles from Zephaniah Williams ' s house , between Ebbw-vale and Nantyglo . We stayed there between two and three hours . While we were there , people came in droves from all quarters . The night was very dark ; there might be between 4 , 000 and 5 , 000 people present . They had weapons in their hands of the same description as the othcra . There is a tuf on the mountain , viz . a place higher than any other . Zephaniah Williams ascended it . He said , '" My dear

      Chartists , don t be afraid ; we are bound to be at Newport by two o ' clock ; the soldiers will not touch us . " He said something else in Welsh which I did not understand . Some of the people then said , "Come on , my boys . " When Zephaniah said the soldiers wouldnot hurt them , the men whooped and said , " We don't care for them . " They then marched . Whengoing along some brokethedoorsand windows and took the people away . Such as didnot come voluntarily were dragged out and pressed to go . I made my escape on the road . They had been abusing me all the wayknocking and pushing me about . They said they would serve me out if I did not come along with them . At Abercairn there is a canal ; they threw me into it because I had tried to make my escape

      from them . I got out of the canal , and they pushed me along , until , being wet , cold , and stiff , I dropped on the road . 1 saw a house near ; 1 knocked them them up , and they let me in . I left it about halfrist six o ' clock in the morning . On my way home met from twenty to thirty men coming towards Newport with pikes and other weapons . These men took me back with them by force . I met them about half a mile from Abercairn . I went back with them as far as Tredegar-park . We there met the people coming back from Newport ; some without hats , others with their hats in their hands , and some in their shirt sleeves . I wanted to turn with the first I met . The others desired me to stay till they all came up , that they might know what was the matter .

      Cross-examined by . Mr . Kelly—When did you go to the mountain!—It was between six- and seven o ' clock when we went to the mountain . How far is it from Abercairn 2—About nine or ten miles . When did you reach Abercairn !—We got to Abercairn between one and two in the morning . We stopped in the hills between two and three hours . During the whole time you have spoken of , did you see Mr . Frost!—I don't know him .

      James James , examined by Mr . Serjeant Talfourd —I live at Colebrook Yale , and am a miner . I know Zephaniah Williams . He keeps a beer-shop called the Royal Oak . It is in my neighbourhood . My house is about half a mile from the Royal Oak , and twenty one miles from Newport . There is a tramroad which leads from Nant-y-glo to Newport . We go through Abercairn . A Chartist lodge was held at tho house of Zephaniah Williams . I have attended it . I was at Zephaniah Williams ' s house on the morning of Sunday , November 3 . It was about half-past ten in the morning when 1 first went to his house . Zephaniah Williams was " there ; a good many people were present . About three in the afternoon of the same day I went again to the

      Royal Oak . Zephaniah Williams was present then also , and many other persons . There was a stranger present whose name I do not know ; he proposed a meeting on the mountain that evening . The stranger spoke English . I am a Welshman . The stranger said , " We must go and meet on the moorland about six o ' clock that evening , and if we did not meet we should be in danger /' He told us to bring bread and cheese with us , for perhapa we might want our meals before we came back . He said we should hear when we got to the mountains what we had to do . There were other Welshmen there besides myself . Zephaniah Williams rose and repeated in Welsh what the stranger said in English , but I did not hear Williams say we

      should know what we had to do when we got to the mountain . About half-past five we started , and reached the mountain about six o ' clock . It Iie 3 between Nant-y-glo and Sirhowey . It was very dark , and raining hard , the wind being very strong . A good many people were present when we went there , and many more came afterwards . Some of those whom we found there had weapons ; I saw two guns , but the night was so dark I could not see more . I did not see Zephaniah Williams on the mountain . We remained nearly two hours on the mountain . When we left the mountain , we descended by the tram-road . I saw Zephaniah Williams by the Victoria New Iron Works . We stopped there some time . Some man came there and spoko to

      Zephaniah Williams . The man said , " What do we want down at Newport?—we are going to be killed all . " Zephaniah Williams said , . 'No ; I hope we shall come safe back ; nobody will be killed there . " At the time these words passed between Zephaniah Williams and the stranger , the people were coming down through the tram-road , and some one called " Go on , " and on they went some miles , to a place where the turnpike aud the tram-road cross each other . There were many hundreds there . There is a public-house on the left hand side as you go down towards Newport . I turned back about three quarters of a mile from the main body . There were two other men along with me ; we stayed at that

      publichouse about an hour or two . A number of men came to the public-house and took me out again . They were armed , some with guns , some with pikes . I can't say that those men who found me out were some of those who came after me on the tram-road . I was afraid of jjiem , and 1 went out ; a crowd afterwards came in , and cleared the room as far as I saw . There were other men in the room beside tho two who were with me ; all were called out—all went out . About 200 yards from the house , I turned aside and tried to escape . Other men were coming . I was about day break . The other party coming down the road pressed me a second time . I went down into Sir Charles Morgan ' s Park , where I met maty hundreds , meat of whom were armed with

      guns or pikes . About nine o ' clock in the morning I went down with them towards Newport , as far as Stowe Church . As we were proceeding we heard firing . The people immediately all turned back , and I returned to my home . Cross-examined by Sir F . Pollock-Hare you attended Chartist meetings very often!—I hare . When did you join the mob first ?—At ten o ' clock in the morning . Did Zephaniah Williamfl tell you to provide bread and cheese?—Yes . Bid he not more than onoe tell the people to keep the peace?—Yes , I hare heard him frequently

      Whan did you last hear him recommend the people toktep the peace!—Perhapsthree or four months w , t ? v . t onl savr Zephaniah Williams , * t the Victoria that night . I did not hear him then tt ¦ 11 the people to keep the peace . I hare heard him many times at our lod ges tell the people : he told us not too drink too much beer . I have often heard the nam e of Henry Vincent . I believe ho is a prisoner at M omnouth . Vincent was often amonc the people of th * t district , but I hare never heard too Bpeak ; the people axe much attached to

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      him ; they know he is in gaol , but I do not know of any complaints as to the treatment he received in gaol . James Samuel examined by Mr . Serjeant Talfourd—I live at Llap . gileth , am a collier , aud keep a public-house , call ed the Coachand Horses . I was at home on Sund » y night ( Nov , 3 . ) A number of men came to my ' iiouse about half-past eleven o ' clock . I was in bed ; they knocked . 1 ran down and let them in . Ab ' jut a dozeu came in first and took some refreshment . Another big man afterwards came , ordered be er for a great many , and told them to go along . Zephaniah Williams came to my house about him ; they know he is in gaol , but I do not know of any complaints as to the treatment he received

      two o 'Jock , and appeared to be very wet . The people w- ere with him . After the first lot went away a larger number rushed in and took possession of the hou . se . Zephaniah asked me where my horses were ; I ' told them they were about two miles off . I was tf . fraidsomeof the meii would go to the stable on the other sido of the road , where there were five or six . and I said I had one . I called up my servant , and sent him with a horse and tram . Zephaniah said he ought to be down about four o ' clock . My servant , Henry Smith , went off with him . My house is fifteen miles and a quarter from Newport . I did not see my servant or the tram till the Wednesday night following .

      Cross-examined by Mr . Kelly—Williams was very quiet and peaceable while at my house . I had nothing to complain of about him ; he called for a pint of beer and paid for it ; the other ; were not all peaceable ; they stole some things from my house . Henry Smith sworn and examined by Mr . Sergeant Talfourd—I am sixteen years old ;—I live servant with Mr . Samuel . I remember being called up upon a Sunday night ill November . I had to harness the horse to the tram . Mr . Zephaniah Williams and others went in it . I overtook a great many people ; they were armed . We went on until we came to a place called Tyn-y-Cwm . There is a public-house there kept by Henry Charles . There were there people armed both before and behind the tram . Mr . Williams got out of the tram there . I

      went on with the tram , having business in Newport , but Mr . Williams did not go on in it . When I came iuto Tydie , about three miles and a half from Newport , I saw Mr . Williams again . The people were there , and Mr . Williams ordered them to . go on two and tw » on the tram road / I know . Sir C . Morgan ' s Park . I stopped there some time and saw a great many people . there , but I can ' t say I saw Williams there . I went on to Newport , and put the horse up in the stable above the Salutation . I then saw Williams coming back towards the hills from Newport , and I saw other people coming back . I had heard firing before I saw him coming back . I can't say how long before it was that the fire took plac&—not an hour . Some were running , others walking . The men who went in the tram with Williams were armed .

      Cross-examined by Sir F . Pollock—When I heard the firing I was over right the Salutation . I left the tram at the Waterloo . Williams left mo at Tyn-y-Cwm . I did not go further into Newport than the Salutation . I neard the firing about a quarter of an hour after I had put the horse up . William Howell examined on the voire dire by Sir F . Pollock—I live at Blaina , in the parish of Aberyswith . I have lived there more than a year . The witness was then sworn in chief , and examined by the Attorney-General—I was at Zephaniah Williams ' s house on the Sunday night . I saw a person there they called Zephaniah Williams ; it was at Colebroke-dale . There were a great number of other persons . He said there was to be a large

      meeting on the mountain , and they were to take something with them to defend themselves , for fear that some people might interrupt them . He did not say anything more then . The meeting on the mountain was to be at dark . I was near Zephaniah Williams ' s house the same evening between five and six . There were a great many people round the house . They said , speaking of me , " There is one of them , " and then they said I must come to the mountain to the meeting . Some of those around the house had pikes , and there were some of them who had no arms at first . There is a place there called the " Lodgeroom ; " they went down round the house that way . I saw some people coming backward and forward that way . I saw four coming out from underneath the Lodge-room ^ they had pikes with them .

      Cross-examined—I did not hear Zephaniah Williams speak of the meeting before . Cross-examined by Mr . Kelly—Novr attend to me . You say that it was upon the Sunday afternoon that you were at Zephaniah Williams ' s house?—Yes . And it was then that ho spoke of the meeting on the mountain , was it ?—Yes . Now , did you not hear Zephaniah Williams speak of the meeting on the mountain before Sunday ?—No , I did not . Did you not seeZephanianh Williams on the Tuesday !—Yes , I saw him on the Tuesday . lou were at his house?—Yes .

      Did he not tell you that there would be a large meeting on the mountain on Sunday?—No , not until the Sunday afternoon . He . then only spoke of the five articles . Did not you hear him say on the Tuesday night that it would be better for everyone to have something with him to defend himself , for fear some persons should come to interrupt them !— -No ; that was on the Sunday . Well , was not that the meeting which was to be held on the mountain!—Yes . Then I was mistaken as to the time!—Did not Zephaniah Williams say at the same time " that there was to be no shedding of blood , or any thing of the sort ?"—I did hear him say bo . Did he not also say that every one was to go to his own home peaceably and quietly?—Yes , he did .

      Joseph Nathony , examined by Mr . Wightman—Is a collier . Remembers the 4 th of November last . Lives at Tydee , within three miles of Newport . On that morning some persons came to his house , between six and seven o ' clock . Was in his stable at that time . One man came first ; four others came afterwards , armed with pikes . No more came . Those four took him out or the stable , and said he must go along with them . He refused to go . On this five of them guarded him all the way down to Sir Charles Morgan ' s park . Saw on the way to Sir C . Morgan's park more men on the tram-road . There were a great many . Witness and the five men were before them . Could not see whether they were armed or not . He stopped in the park about

      an hour . Found a great many other people there , and others came up whilst he was stopping there . The people he found there had pikes in their hands ! The people coming up had not . After the hour they started on and he went with them . Knows the Waterloo . Found no person on the road when he got to the Waterloo , but many went with him there . Nobody stopped there . Saw Zephaniah Williams that morning by the Waterloo . He came up after witness . One man was with him . Saw Williams last at the Portobello Machine . He went about three miles and a quarter with them to the Portobello Machine . Witness separated himself then from the rest of the people . Saw Z . Williams at the Portobello Machine . He was walking after tho gang when witness last saw him . Ho other person was on the road after him . Witness turned aside for a particalar purpose . Z . Williams by the Waterloo had before ordered him to go on . Saw

      Mr . Frost on that morniug at the park . He came up after witness . Witness was first there and had been there about ten minutes before him . The crowd was then standing . Saw the crowd put into some order by Mr . Frost . Mr . Frost said nothing , but catchedholdof their arms and put them four deep , and they marched in that order . They went on this way about half an hour before he ( witness ) turned off again . Before that they went on in this order , Witness went as far as tho Portobello machine , and then turned aside" and stopped there , at the machine-house , till he went home . He stayed there about a quarter of an hour . Some persons began to run back after he came out of the house . When witness saw the people run back he went home . When witness last saw the people before going into the " machine-houso" the people were going on to Newport . About half an hour before that witness had seen Frost put the people in order .

      Cross-examined by Mr . Kelly—It was nearer six than seven when he was disturbed by the people . It was near break of day . Perhaps twenty minutes elapsed before he left his house finally . It was then day-light . His house is about a mile from the Welsh Vale . Halted next at the park . His house is about a mile and three quarters from the park . Knows the place called Pie-corner ; the place where he stopped in the park is farther from his house than Pie-corner ; about a quarter of a mile further

      Saw no body of men before him when he left the house , but found a number of the Chartists in the park . They were not waiting there ; they were going on . Witness remained about one hour in the park . Went next to the weighing-machine , and remained there about a quarter of an houror twenty minutes , and , when he came out , the people were turning back . Saw Mr . Frost in the park five minutes after they stopped there . He was forming the men . He appeared to be coming from Piecomer . b

      Re-examined-When I last eavf Mr . Frost he was going towards Newport . John Nichol Hawkins . —I am a surveyor at Newport . I was out on the Risca-road on tho Monday morning . I Eaw about 100 men armed with pikes , scythes , blades , and a sword . Thoj were at Pie ! corner . They were going towards Newport ; they were on the tram-road . 1 saw Zephaniah Williams with these persons . I told them to go back , as there were soldiers . Zephaniah Williams d-d the soldiers , and teld the people to come on , and show what the ^ JSi&BJ !* ' ' * P-Pl-enton Cross-examined 4 jSir P . Pollock . -Where were you going ? -To a / ace about seven miles distant When did you return to Newport ? -When the mob were dispersing . fae \ HL « ° ?» , fOr a IF * ' ixnd ^ P ™ me a tact . Have the goodness rt » tell me at what time you returned ? -At the . timel atatwl before .

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      I will trouble you to , repeat it?—I toldySla before , and I saw you put jv down . Well , Sir , 1 mp . y appear very impertinent , but , though I did write it down , I will put you to the trouble of repeating it . —About eleven o ' clock . And what tirae did you meet the men ?—Between eight and nip . s . Hava you a . family ?—I have . How does your family exist ?—1 don't know what that has to do with this trial . Then upon vour oath , Mr . Hawkins , of what does your family consist ?—I shan ' t tell you then . The Chief Justice—I don't know why you should object . Witness—There are ten . I will trouble you to , repeat it ? -I told yW before , and I saw you put . i . v down , . . . .

      Sir F . Pollock—And 1 want to know of whom th ey consist ?—Five brothers and five sisters . Besides yourself or including yourself ? You live altogether as one family ?—No answer . Does anybody live in the family besides your brothors and sisters?—No one . What were you going to this p lace about?—1 was called to a case of midwifery . How long did you stay there?—About a quarter of an hour . Did you go straight home ?—No , Sir . Where did yon go to?—I went to see some more patients . Just tell me , where did you go to ?—I went to three or fonr places . Have the kindness just to name them ?—No

      answer . Name any place Sir , you went to after this case of midwifery ?—I did ' nt go out of the parish ; I don ' t see why I should give their names . I really must beg your pardon again ; will you answer the qnestion ; you have been sworn to speak the whole truth ?—No answer . Sir F . Pollock—My Lords , 1 am not putting this question idly , by ony means . The Chief Justice—I dare say you can give an account where you went to ?—I went to a magistrate ' s house . By Sir F . Pollock—What is the name of the magistrate—Mr . Coles .

      Is he a patient of yonrs ?—No , he is not . Then how came you just now to tell me you went to 896 some patients , and concealed the fact that you went to Mr . Coles , the magistrate ? I went to inform what 1 had seen . I did not know that I was obliged to tell you my secrets . Sir F . Pollock—You have found out the object of my question , and you have answered it . I wish to say nothing more . By a juror—I did not meet a larger body of men than one hundred . By the Court—1 knew Zephaniah Williams before .

      John Parsons examined by Mr . Talbotj-I am a butcher residing at Pillgwplly . On the morning of the 4 th of November I was onStow-hill , a little after nine o ' clock , and saw a many people arriving up by the Friars , on the road leading from the Court-ybella machine towards the Westgate . They were armed with guns , pikes , and other weapons . They passed near me . There were between 4 , 000 and 5 . 000 men . There might have been more or less . The fore ranks observed order . They were walking seven or eight abreast A few came after Zsphaniah Williams . Those men were not armed . I heard that morning the firing at Ne wport . That was after I had seen the body of men . It did not last more than ten minutes .

      Cross-examined by Mr . Kelly—I was at Stow-hill when I saw the men pass . I was then passing through tVe churchyard . 1 was in the yard , and the men were on the road , and going the way different from mine . I stopped a few Hecondn . I was not then on the road . I have known Z . Williams several years . He had on that occasion no offensive weapon about him . He was walking alongside of the road , not with the body . Re-examined—The distancebetweenZ . Williams and the men was but little . It was about the distance ( which iR about fourteen feet ) from where I am standing to the jury-box . I did not see him elsewhere . I know the Six Bells , which is the same place . Thomas Saunders sworn and examined by Sergeant Wilde—I am a small farmer residing atTynecombe . Witness—I wish to b » asked in Welsh .

      Sergeant Wilde—Oh , never mind Welsh . I don't understand that language . We win get on well in English . Examination continued—I live near the Welsh Oak . I was at home on the 3 d of November . On that night I heard a noise on the tramroad . This was about twelve o ' clock . When I heard the noise I sat up in my bed to hear from whence it came . After listening a short time I lay down , when a voice called me . I said , " What do you want at this time ? " Tho voice replied , "When you get up I will tell you . Open the door , There are hundredf and thousands of Chartists on the tramroad . " I went to the barn to hide myself . While I was there a large troop came in . I jumped down and

      asked what they were doing . TheyBaid , "That they were to shelter themselves for a time . They did not knoW how long . " I allowed them to remain . I then went from the barn to my house . On the tramroad there was a great number of people holding lights in lanterns . The barn was full . I returned and asked them to take care not to burn the barn with the candles . Z . Williams came to my house while I was there . Z . Williams came and said to the men , " Come , my good men let us go . " Every man made himself ready as Boon as he could , and they started . Those men were armed with

      guns and pikes . It then came on light . It was between Ax and seven o ' clock in the morning . They came at one o ' clock and remained till seven o ' clock . I cannot form a judgment of the number of men present . They were out of my numbering . After the men went out , Z . Williams and a strange man returned . He asked permission to dry himself . I asked him " \ There he was going ? " He asked me "Vfhy I » aid so ? " I said , "Because some men have said you are going to Monmouth to draw Vincent out of prison . " He said , " No , we don't attempt it . We are going to give a turn as far as Newport . " They all left my house about seven o ' clock .

      Cross-examined by Mr . Kelly—It was about half-past six in the morning when I first saw Williams . In two or three minutes after the men went away I saw Williams for the last time . There was a great nnmber in my house and barn . They were coming and going throughout the morning . Barnabas Brough , examined by the Attorney-General—I am a brewer and wine-merchant , residing at Pontypool , in thiy county . I was at Newport on Sunday , 3 rd November last . I attempted to return home that night to my house at Pontypool . It was near nine o ' clock when I left Newport for that purpose . I travelled in a ose-horse gig , in company with Mr . Thoma 3 Matthews , a currier and

      townsman of mine . We travelled as far as Crossy-Kylog , which is five miles from Pontypool and tour from Newport . We left the gig at Cross-y-Kylog , with an intention of walking on foot to Poatypool . This we did , in consequence of the horse having been knocked , up . The night was excessively wet anddark . -lAbout half way from the place where we left the gig , we were stopped by an armed party . We were ordered to stand by the party . The leader asked our name 3 , whence we came , and where we were going . I gave him my name , "Mr . Brougk , brewer , Pontypool . " The same voice inquired the name of mf companion . I replied , Mr . Thomas Matthews , currier , Pontypool , and that he was

      going to Pontypool . " The persons who put the interrogatories said , "We should turn back and eo with them . " I said " I would rather not . " They were going towards Newport . The party interrogating gaid " We must go back with them , and that if we went quietly we should be taken care of . " I remonstrated against this attack on my libarty . They told me to hold my tongue , or that it would be worse for me . I inquired by what right they thus attacked my liberty . They again told me to hold my tongue , and go with them . We did so . Two men in front , two behind , armed with pikes , guarded U 3 . The leader marched on my left , and another at the side of my companion . In this order we . marched towards Newport . There might have been

      about forty or fifty men collected there . It was too dark to distinguish the number . We thus proceeded within three quarters of a mile of Newporc . I did not attempt to make my escape . We were ordered to halt in the Marsh , within half a mile of Newport . I then asked to cross a hedge , and on attempting to leap it , fell into four feet of water , two or three called out , and threatened to blow out my brains . I felt two guns near me . There might be more . The men ordered me to return , and I did return . We were taken as far back a » the turnpike-gate , 200 or 300 yards nearer Newport . It is called the Malpas-gate . We were placed in a shed or corn house , opposite * the toll-house , and were guarded by armed men . There was one person without arms who went in and was kind towards us , 1 hey brought us five miles . 1 heard none but common names mentioned , such as Jones , Edwards , < fcc ,

      I was then taken to the toll-house . 1 was guarded all the time by a man with a drawn sword . We were taken up stairs , when 1 fell asleep , and rem j JT ree WPim of an hour , when we were ordered down again , and were placed in the same poHihon and guarded as before . They took me across the canal and up a lane . That road leadi to Risca . They appeared to carry us several miles when we reached the tern . It » about two miles from Risca . No assignable object was given for carrying us there . At Cefn we went into a public-house . It wag half-past thiee or near four o clock . When we arrived there we were taken prisoners to the Welsh Oak , which is about a mile from Risca . We were still guarded mS&fn » W f ? riSe > l * MriMr . Frost'iname mentioned in the lane . A person said " Whovwere

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      they ? " Ho was answered , " They were taken for Frost , or Frost ' s men . " I inquired for Mr . Frost as he was an old acquaintance of mine . While we were in the Welsh Oak Mr . Frost came in . It must have been then about six o ' clock , as tha day wa < dawning . I heard him say , " Where is Mr . Brongh ? I replied , " Here , Sir . " He appeared astonished to see me and asked what brought me there ? I told him that the parties who had me in custody would best tell him . I required of him to 1 st us free . He said , that though he detested my politics he had a personal regard for me . He then eaid that I was dismissed or discharged . I then inquired if my companion was included m that liberation ? The answer was " Certainly . " I thanked him , and thenl fl ftth « nartv . We were then liberated . I they ? " Hewas answered , " They were taken for Fro st , or Frost ' s men . " . I inquired for Mr . Frost as

      observed a light as if from a lantern , lbw light appeared to come from the direction of Newport . It was extinguished before it reached us . Cross-examined by Sir F . Pollock-We came through the lane to the Welsh Oak . I have known Mr . Fro 4 for five or six years . I had every confidence if he had been there that I should not have to dread any personal injury . His general character in in accordance with that opinion which I formed of him . 1 parted with Mr . Frost at halfpast six . The day was breaking , or rather the day was dawning . An order was granted by the Court , on the written application of Sir F . Pollock , for the admission of Mr . Thomas aud Mr . O'Connor to the gaol , at all reasonable hours , for the p urpose of seeing Mr . Frost .

      The Court then adjourned at a quarter to six o ' clock .

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      CLOSE OF THE CASE FOR THE PROSECUTION AGAINST JOHN FROST . ( Fifth Day . ) Monmouth , Saturday Evening . The judges took their seat at nine in the morn-IBg . Thomas Watkins , examined by the Solicitor-General—I reside in the neighbourhood of PoBtypoal . I am acquainted with Mr . Brough . I was with him in a gig on the night ol Sunday , November 3 . We were going to Pontypool . In the course of our

      journey we were interrupted , and were kept in restraint until six o ' clock or half-past six o ' clock in the morning . During the nig ht I observed two or three li ghts—a kind of rockets . They were between Newport and Risca . We were then about the end of a lane going from the toll-house to Risca . We were guarded by men with arms . We were at the Welsh Oak public-house in the morning , having been kept in custody till then . We asked Mr . Frost it he would liberate us . Mr . Frost said , " I detest your politics , but you are discharged , " and we then walked away .

      Cross-examined by Sir Frederick Pollock—There are tin works near the place where we were first taken . I am a curritr . Re-examined—I am sufficiently acquainted with the lights of iron-works to be able to say that the lights I speak of were not from iron-works . I saw these lights after we had passed the iron-works . By the Foreman of the Jury—There were no iron-works between Newport and Rises . The li ghts I spoke of were not low and near the ground , but very high in the air . You can see at a distance from the iron-works a considerable reflection in the air . I can say positively that the li ghts I saw were not any such reflection .

      John Harford , examined hy the Solicitor- General . I am a collier . My health was very poorly on Sunday , the 3 d of November last . I did not get up ti ! the afternoon . At six o ' clock I waa in the house when some men came to the door . There was a great number of them . They told me I must come along with them . I had a sword in my house and they told me if I did not come along , and bring the sword , they would kill me . I was obliged to go . They pulled me out of the house by the collar . W « first went to Mr . William Jones ' s , at the Carpenters' Arms . The men had pikes . From Jones ' s I was taken on , and at last got to the Welch Oak . Ic was about one o ' clock in the morning when we got

      there . On the way there were hundreds and thousands of men . A great number of them were armed . I saw them go to the doors of the houses and order people out and pull them out . I knew llr . Fros ' . I saw him between the Cefn and the Welch Oak . He was alone when I saw him . He came along with me and the men towards the Welsh Oak . He was standing on the road with his two hands in his coat pocket * . We went to Cefn ( because there were so many that we could not get into the Welsh Oak ) to have a pint of t er . There is a . public horne at Cefn . —( The relative situations of these two places were pointed out to the court on the plan . ) "When we met Frost , the mob asked him " if they had not better return ? " He said , « No ; you had better not return . " They asked Mr . Frost what he did intend to do . He said at first , " he should go to the

      new poor-house , and take the soldiers and their arms ; " and said afterwards "there was a storehouse where there was plenty of powder and that they would blow up the bridge , that would stop the Welsh mail which did run to the north , and that would be tidings , and they would commence there , on the north , on the Monday night . " And he said "that he should be able to see two or three of his friends or enemies in Newport . " He said no more . Mr . Frost aud the mob then went oe towards the Welsh Oak . I don ' t know how long they remained w , u i made my e 80 a ? about 200 J ards from the Welsh Oak , and went into a cow shed . It wa « between three and four o ' clock when I first saw Mr . Frost , and it could not have been more than a quarter past four o ' clock when I last saw him . I saw no more of him that night .

      Cross-examined by Mr . Kelly—I was examined before the magistrates at Newport . I cannot say en what day of the month . It was on a Friday not the Friday after I had left my house . This was the second Friday . The people at the Union Po ) rhouse told me to ge and be examined . I was at the Union Werkhouse because I was forced out sf the heuse with a sword by Mr . Frost and the mob . I was apprehended by the ma gistrates the Sunday fortnight after the riots in my own house . I was taken to the George Inn at Blackwood . I remained there till the evening . I was not examined there . In the evening I was taken , to Newport to the union . I have not remained in custody ever since

      . I was not locked up there . I stopped in it for the night . I was obli ged to remain there , being apprehended . I was not examined the next day I was detained there twelve days . I was net examined during that time . I was detained till I was examined . I was examined at the Vfestgate . I was taken there for that purpose after haviag been detained thirteen days . I was detained on the charge of carrying a sword in the mob . There was no charge made against me at the Westgate . What I have said against Mr . Frost I told to the person who keeps the Union . I think his name is Mr Harris . I told him what I had to say . I was obliged to take a part in the riot . I knew when T

      told him it that there was a charge against me of having taken part in the riot . I was obli ged to take a part in it , or it would have cost me my life When I told the master of the workhouse what 1 had-to say , I knew well I was eharged with carrying a sword . I had learned that some had cone to prison on a charge of riot . 1 heard too that some had gone to prison en a charge of hi gh treason . I did not know that if any persons were convicted they would suffer death . I did not understand the law 1 did not know that a person convicted of hieh treason would suffer death . I did not tell any one but the master of the workhouse what I said against Mr . Frost . He was arrested before I taken

      was before the magistrates . . "When 1 told the master of the workhouse what 1 had to say , there were other men besides myself at the workhouse . "What charge they were on I do not know . I did not ask them certainl y . They were on some charge . The place was not guarded by soldiers . There were soldiers there who were wounded . There were soldiers there besides the wounded , and recruits . They were there learning the exercise every morning . They were en parade , or whatever you call it . I know nothing about the workhouses haviB g been made a place of confinement or not before this

      business . I talked to one of the persons there about this game business during the twelve dayB I remained there . I do not remember the man s name . I did not know him before I never heard his name . I did not tell him what I had done in the buBiaeBS . I did not talk to Mr Frost about him . He told me that if he knew anything about Mr . Frost , he would tell it if he were in my place . U pon my oath I did not tell him about ' Mr . I rost in order that I mi ght get my liberty . I expected to he freed from this charge when I told it and when I had given the evidence I did get my liberty . I cannot write . I dM put my mark to something whe » I was examined before the mains , tratea . 1 was not examined more than once . "When 1 had made my statementl was at once set at liberty

      - — ' - ° '" vo uocu wunuugasa comer at Mr . Jones ' s ' the same master a * I worked for before . The name ot the person to whom I spoke ahout Mr . Frost at the workhouse was not Edwards . I know no person lutTT - f Morg T an , t 0 whom I h ™ W about M 8 business . I have now spoken to any one of that name about it . It WaB about four o ' clock in _ the m orning when I Mr Frost and it was Within a garter ot an hour ^ ter that when he told j l "

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      tha mob , in my hearing , abont the powder aud the soldiers , and the mail , and the other matters . Examined by the Foreman of the Jury-I have attended at a Chartist lodge . I endeavoured to make my escape from the mob several times , hut they prevented me , pulling me b y the collar and striking me , and threatening to run a pike , through my body . Mr . Frost said he should g ^ 0 or tnree friends or enemies at Newport . He did not nama any one I heard . I had not he . ard at the union werkhouse that any one was livel y to be hanged lor this rising or riot , or whatever it wa * . I was not afraid myself of being ranged , for I had done nothing to deserve to be hanged or sent to prison . ^^^ tha mob , mmrh ™™ & ^ abont t j p d ud tha gold . ers and the ^ l , an < lthe otter mrtto .

      William iiarris examined by the Solicitor-General— " f am a collier residing at Blackwood . I remember Sunday nignt , the 3 rd of November . I was r . ear the Coach and Horses Inn at Blaekwood aboat seven o ' clock . I saw Mr . Frost outeide tho i < ioor ; there were a good many persons about the door . Some of them were armed . There was every kind of annn there , p ikes and everything . I saw a person of che name of Davies cloee to Mr . Frost . Davies told the people to go on , " that there wag enough there to eat Newport . " I went up the road after this . After that I and my wife went irp che road together , and we met a mob coming down . I suppose I was opposite the Coaek and Horsea

      hardly a quarter of an hour . My wife came down after me , and we went up the turnpike-road towards my own house . While vre were walking ws met a mob who told me to come along . I said I would not . They were armed . They had great sticks with them , every one . 1 did not see anything else with them . They said again to me , '• come along , " and I went on with them to tha Greyhound . 1 should say there were fifty of them together . I remained at the Grey hound about a quarter of an hour . I dare say there were two

      hundred persons there ; some of them had pieces , some pikes and some mandrils . By " pieces" 1 mean guns . I do not know what time it waa when we left the Grej hound . "We afterwards went to the -Welsh Oak . . There was a great number of men who preceded us and we met others on the road who joined us . They were coming down in every part , and some of them were armed . At the Welsh Oak I saw Mr . Froit . I saw Zephaniah Williams on the Monday morning about seven o ' clock . That was the first time I saw him . When we got to the Welsh Oak and I saw Mr . Frost it was about

      eleven o ' clock at night . It was on tho turnpikeroad , across the tramroad , that I saw Zephaniah Williams . I saw Mr . Frost about forty yards from that spot . Mr . Williams spoke to me , and told ma to go on and not to hang back there , but to go on with the rest , because I was going towards home . I then went on towards Newport , as far as th& Friars . Every one was going on as fast as they could go . 1 did not go on to Newport . 1 turned back at the Friar ? , because 1 was afraid to go on . I thought they were going on to kill people . 1 had heard Mr . Frost call the guns forward . He said , "All that have guns oome in front . " The guna were tried ever so many times . It had been raining between the times when they were tried . Two or three of the men turned back with me . 1 went to the tramroad to get on the steam-engine to go back .

      Cross-examined by Sir F . Pellock—I come no \ r from Blackwood . I was in custody . I was taken to Newport on the 20 th of last month . I cannot tell you the name of the month . I don ' t know the names of the months . It is going on three weeks ago ; three weeks next Monday . I have been kept ever since at Newport and here . I live at Blaekwood . Thw morning I came from the Black Swan . I have been bore in Monmouth since last Monday . I was in Newport a fortnight "handy . " I was in custody there at the Parrot and the Salutation Inns . I was examined before the magistrates . The mark on the paper ( the deposition ) now produced is my mark . The paper was read over to me . I suppose so . That is the mark I made . When I went down to the Coach and Horses , and met some of the

      persons , it was seven o ' clock , or a quarter past seven . It was middling dark , but I could see . I saw some sticks and same pieces . There were one or two guns . I know there was one gun . I saw ever to many about the road : I don ' t know about swords . Therd were some pikes . I saw no pisiols , but some mandrils . I do not know whether there were four or fire . I do not know haw many . There certainly was one but I do not know how many . There wan more than one gun , hut I do not know how many . That was at the Coach and Horses , or on the road close by . The people who came te my door bad sticks . I don't know how many people there were . There were six : there . There were seven . There were ei ght . There were not twenty . There were from eight to twelve . None of those who

      came into thu house had any other weapon than a stick . I had seen Mr . Frost a geod many times , up and down Blackwood , before that . I koew him well enough to know him when I savr him . The deposition of this witness before the magistrates it Newport was then read b y the officer of the court .

      Cross-examination resumed—I do not know whether I had been examined the day before I mada this deposition . I was examined two or three days * I was sober when I made this deposition and this mark . At Newpart to be sure . The day before that on which I said I was sober I do not know whether I had been before the magistrates . Chief Justice Tindal here called Sir . F . Pollock , as he said he had the Attorney-General near bim on ihe bench in order that they might privately censult together so as to make some arrangement with respect to the jury . After a few moments' consultation together—Mr . Bellamy turned round to the Court , and said .

      tne gentlemen summoned on the petit jury may all return to their homes but be back here on 'VTednes--day morning at nine o ' clsck . Those who do not return here on Wednesday morning by nine o ' clock will be fined . The Foreman of the Jury in the box « aid that one ot the jurors wanted to send home for something and wished to have perminsion from his Lordship for that purpose . Chief Justice Tindal replied-Certainly ; every accommodation in that way would be given to them . Ihe Court also hoped to be able to make such an arrangement as would enable them to get a little &ir » The grand jury then retired .

      Examination of the last witness resumed—I have heard that paper read which has my mark to it , £ and it is there put down that I did n ot hear what Wi ham Davis said . I have eaid to-day that I William Davis said to the people " Why don't you go on , you are enoug h to eat Newport ? " I did I not like to say what I had heard before , a » 1 thought I should "haveit" when I went home , and I told them so at the time . By saying I should " have if I mean that I thought ihat all the neighbours would oe an against rae as one famil y if I said anything 1 have been stopping at Newport since my examination . I sent the paper now produced to the magistrates about half an hour after my examination . I have been kept at Newport since . Sir F . Pollock objected to the receipt of the pieoa of paper aa evidence .

      Re-examination resumed—Althoug h 1 stated in the paper that 1 did not know what Mr . Davies said , for the reason 1 have stated , 1 mean now to swear that 1 heard him use the words 1 have mentioned Sir F . Pollock—The depositions are dated the 5 th of November . , By the Foremau-I was eight or ten yards from Davies when he spoke about eating Newport Wft were not in rank , we were all in a bunch together . There was not much noise at the time . They were speaking . Mr . Frost was speaking at the time aid some . of fte others . There was some "boYer " them

      amongst . Mr . Frost could heaT whatD ^ a vl \ S 2 t ° loae t 0 & ether ' I did n ° t ^ e Mr , BvSS phaniah « amstogether atany timel By trying tne gun 8 X meaa ^ fa £ Jrv ? nl ^ 8 Un 8 - ° , 8 ee ifthey wouldgooff-notmerel y trying them with the ramrods . 1 was not drunk J . T ! v , rT a v ^ examined 80 » t 0 k °° vr next aay mat 1 had been examined , but I had been drunk I remembered the next day what Ihad said . Davi ^ father keeps a shop in Blackwood . Davies is a youna man in h » father's , employ . I don ' t know how old he is , but he is a young man .

      James Emery , examined by the Attorney . General -1 am a cabinet maker , residing at Pontypool . I know Wm . Jones , of Pontypool . He is a waten . maker by trade . I have known him better C twelve month .. I recolleet Sunday , £ 3 d of Iff £ SSS cham that I saw him . I don ' t know ^ be ^<^ w * s a Chartist lod ge held there . Tb *> r - « re » H * I 20 perg 6 n 8 there . Jone » told *>** % * to be i 1 pared b y two o ' clock , &JL 2 Z * , * $ *« I

      s ^ atSJ F ^ MA sja Swd ft horse to him at David Richard ' s ben honLfl Rt AberyBchamthat morning . WKSji f CWVivedin «« r Seventh ¦* m » " . " sSL

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      A THE NORTHERN STAR . ^ § ^

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Jan. 11, 1840, page 6, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/king-y1kbzq92ze2666/page/6/