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      gffBR ESfnre DEBATE ON THE CASES OF XSS 8 SK . O'COKHOB AMD VXNCEKT .

      HOUSE OF COMMONS . —Tuesday , June 2 . fjfrt the presentation of petition * ia favour of Mr frO ***' jti . T . DTJNCOMBE -wished to ask the Hon . UnderjeBejarv whether a ; had received any report from the -tfteg magistrates cf York Castle respecting the treatjjeot of Mr . O'Conntu . jfr . F . MAULS salt a communication had been rejeived stating tfcat an alteration had been made with - ^ pect to his treatment . Ur . T . DU > 'COMBE—Does that alteration extend to Mi diet ? > & . F . JIATTLE—Yta , He . Sesrgeant TALFOURD—I received a letter from jfcO"C «^« 7 wt « d » 7 . saT 5 **" . tfea * there was no refetto ataQ . Hr . Ftaroy Kelly postponed his motion on the frmfrhiwmt of Death t > this day fortnight HBNHF TINCENT .

      f It . 8 « gwnt TALFOTTRB presented a petition from ~ JtaBioghazn , praying that Henry Tin cent , now confined fc fci Penitentiary at MUbaak , should either be sent fr * to the gaol at Momouth , or that her Majesty ^ oaid be pleased to abridge his punishment . The jloJomTJ * and Learned Gentleman also presented a j 8 t 3 aon , » gB * l by 14 , 000 persons , inhabitant * of Bir-^ f rfatn . in favonr of Ma Feargus O'Connor , and jfrn * aiA that boih the metioas , of which he had given KljUoo . 'inTniTM the same principle , although , tie details H ^ fcjj jpf them were essentially different Before be ^ jrtf ' rM himself to that principle , it -would be right to state tbe circumstances of the case of Henry Vincent , 40 whose behalf he appeared upon a petition of many Boat respectable persons , including his Honourable

      FntBd < Mi- Humei and the Honourable and Learned Xesber for Dublin , and other persons of great respectability . It had fallen to his lot to know somegang personally of the ca » e of Henry Vincent , that fcKxrkdge h&vinf been acquired from his having had the duly east npon him of conducting two prosecutions against him . The first prosecution took place at the jut summer Assaes for the county of Uonmouth . , Jt frtajfrf- ** " > ciarge of Vincent taring--attended Kdlti ^ iWlwUncil' la titst county , -at vrHcifTaDguag * < f ta extremely , dangerous and improper character wa » ^ mfd , and smU as it would ill-become him ( Sergeant jil&KBt ^ tgrjas&fT or palliate ; and it included that &rta&aa £ crane 'Which be could not hel pthintLnf wns t-dLsnrwra ts the Un glish law—he meant the crime « f

      gsaspiraej , " * bicTi might mean almost the highest rfence-tbstconidieecaBJiirtted , or the lowest and most Teoi&L He Jury acgnftted Vincent of conspiracy but fepitd himfSatyofla ^ fing attended seditions meetings , » 3 * ne "was saataaced to twelTe months'imprisonment fe Jionmonth gaol . At that time some question was ^* ed * with respect to the treatment of this young per-IDB , -whose decent manner and deme&Eonr , and he iSerpax Talfourd ) believed unspotted character , except as to his bang connected with the * e meetings , excited a loaridersble feeling in his favour . Some discussion fcok place between the judge and the magistrates of the jantj as to Ms being subjected to the rules and discijEne of the pruea . In the end he was exempted from fee " more penal regulations to which the prisoners

      com-Ktted to that prison for ordinary misdemeanors -were sbgeeWL He wa » not subjected to the degradation of MtriTir the prison dress , or having bis hair cut ; in fcet he ^ ras subjected to as little painful treatment as jkJBBble consistently with the restriction and safe cusfr * y « f his person . Some question was afterwards JMMi ' with recgMact to-tte Ifcpoka ke was to be allowed fe ^ gad ; and ceruinrf "be ( Stsgeaai Talfburdi had heard wfcb some sirpriae that "Henry Vincent was to be resaded to boots merely of a religions character—he fcsard it with surprise , because he felt that such a re-Hniat was not good for the mind of a young rn ^ n possessed of an actiTe a » d inquirng temper . He himself made application to the Noble Lord who was at fcai period at the head ef the Home Department iLord

      Join Rassell 1 upon the sntject , aad he received from fist ^ oble Lord , au assurance tliat Mr . YincarA wuulJ « £ j be restricted from reading improper boots , but not tea reading bo * ks of a miscellaneous character . AI thr ls * t assizes Yinctnt was tiied upon another indictmesi , fur an offence of a nature simLUr to that foi wtiri he tad been preTioiiily coavicud—namely , foi asendiLg other nieetiag 3 , of the Sinit ; character , in tht skjk county , and about the same time ; in . fact , for par asd parcel , not identically , of the same offence , but o : theaiaetransaction . Ontuat occasion Yincent conunctec hii own defence , and he ; Mr , Sergeant Talfourai mus " trra that the p »» T"i «> r in which that defence was con ^ aet&d—the temperance , the forbearance , the talent , and eTen a certain degree of grace which that youiu

      yrnLn ditplsyed—interested eTery one m his faTour , and isdaced them to hope that he would not be subjected i to aay indignity that might preytnt him from retriey- i ing that character which no doubt had been deeply ; fcovred , but that be might at the termination of his ; lapeUoniQeiit be suffered to become a useful and -rain- j itito member of society . The Jury found him guilty , I tutKcommended him to mercy , wMch wasacircum- ) tenet that apol : e &you » bly for the young man .. For , ' liiiiili ling the # Tenls that had then recently taken i jkmtn O > e M » M ^ untfntftigli , tatfao % b » it' * Ma . j creomstanee that migjrt be referred , to , as showhtg fiai in the opmioa eTen of a jury of persons liying in j tn& county , tie . ioung man had not been guiity of a j tot serious offence , and that there were materials

      about iinvihat rendered Mm a person particularly fit to be resomiBendad to mercy . Vincent was sentenced to » further period of imprisonment He remained in the gaol for the county of Monmouth for some time , scd until it pleased her Majesty ' s GoTernment to remoTe him . He ; Sergesat Talfourd ; thought it was a wise and ! jedkiotts step for her Majesty ' s CroTemment to take— j tha * ol remoTing th » young man from the scene where , j z&bappHy , be had been one of those connected—if not \ wish open ooteages against the laws , still with meetings j tf » dm £ trou 8 tendency and character . But , on Mr . Yin- eoVi remoral , he became subjected to a kind of : pawsfcawEt wkich he ; Mr- Sergeant T * lfourd > was quite ; sure wu is little contemplated by the judge whtn pas- ' aag aJBteace as it was disproportioned to the nature of I

      tbeefffeDK committsd . In that prison he was attired in ' tt » . prisoD dress , fed on the prison diet , re- : Krieted from the use of boots , pens , ink , and paper , i « od w « permitted to communicate with hi * I trkads only snee in four months , and then ' ¦ « nly fey means of a letter . And here he would ! beerre that the reason assigned for this latter regula- ' fioa in the prison rules afforded a striking proof of the j tTrgtneat of such discipline for such an offence—it was ; aid , "that the restriction of communication was in- i tested in order to enable the prisoners to keep up con- ¦ section with the respectable portion of their friends , to ¦ whom it was hoped they might be again united , and ; not to ecable them to hear the common news of the '¦ day , with which they -the prisoners ) could haTe no i

      wacern . " Such discipline as this was clearly utterly ! inappropriate to the cases of persons committed for ! political offences , and it afforded a striking contrast to ' the kind of punishment formerly awarded to persons j found gui . ty of political libels . Instances innumerable j r . iij ia fonaer discussions on tljis sobject , been re- i Jwred to where ptrsons hid been imprisonird ior poiid- j « 1 o 5 «« es , but where there existed no traees of the < ladigEijy to which ilr Tincent had been sutgected . If ] Political writers , . they had been allowed to continue : tittfr political writings ; they were allowed the use of • w ^ i aad free communication with their friends—in &ort , the punishment which they receired was con- j &i = q . solely to restriction on their personal liberty . '' The Honosrab ; e Meml-er then referred particularly to '

      the case of Sir Charles Wolseley , tried and con-ricttd ; of high treason in conspiring to be elected the legisla'Ozzl aiiomev of Birmingham , who was confined in Abisgdon gaul , but was allowed in bis iiir . SergeMfcj Islfouru ' s- memory to come into court , and listen Wj tte trials . There wa 3 the case of Lorett , propriet-r of tts Siaienum , sentenced to be imprisoned in Newgate , v the rery rnnk-Tit sentence which the judge could , ttSia , jet hevu allowed to h » Te a large room of his . ; wa—to haTe his proof-sheets sent to him—to coa- i ^ Eaicaie -with , his friends—and to enjoy ail tbe con > S ^ SUtntftS - of life ^ n = ' ic > fl ^ t- with his < k > j « jTatian of j ~ ftw « ail liberty . Sow , ha aould not tliini it ri ^ ct | « at t change should be made in the condition i •^ tttiitment of prisoners , silently , and with- ; t

      w tbe interrention of the Legislature , and , j a 3 r « oTeT , at a time when there were so many | feart iadvemeatB to political discussioo . than existed i J ** P « iod to which he referred . Tbe discipline , too , | » w ^ di Mr . V incent was subjected was that which ; * ° ttld ke applied ia case * of ordinary libel , eren where I ~^* * aa no ill feeling—wh ere the part y con victed was i rp ™/ ^ e publisher of a newspaper—as , for instance , r ^ f **** of ^ TuRt * ' ""fc 0 i * d recently beea eon-ZZ * T ~ ^ terly unable to read all the various para-^ pia -whieh appeared in the paper for which h * w » s ^^ aabie . This was a « Ute of thi nga wbica eoold 9 J ^ fi- T he adT&need state of tie human mind k-»™ W that punishment should be apportioned to tb » ^ r * weU as t « the degree of the offence—that " »• awrridnil conTietaci of sui offence which nmuu > tmm

      Zjp mtion of MtM miad ahould be treated while in ! ^^ Bent ia % manner totally different from the in- ¦ £ "™* u who > ras contlcted of felony . The punish- j I 5 r ? » PuMle -srhipping for high aeftson , and Qf the j r ^ n for other offences , had already been abolished I > J'l ferta «! to this state of public feeling on the sub- j ^ iHeat , But when tfaeee facts were brought for-^ » m & change applied for , they were told that a » tesd ^* p ? sPonaii > le . lie Ji ^ ijW said they netfer in-WnL ^ aayaiing like such punishment . The ^ £ * ~ I > epaiuaent referred them to the visiting magis-, J ! Q *»* shariag framed tbe prisoa regulations , and the ^ g l ^^ SJstrates , in thair turn , declared that when cj 2 * ^ ^^ regulations , they nerer contemplated jj / 186 " eooaeq uences , but that having been framed , ^ / ttast be abided bT . ( Hear . ) Still , injustice had 1

      J ^ T eonuniued—punishment fr » ri been inflicted that j V ^ a been eeateniplated . Then let the precise fcanedtf" ^ tare ** known ' and let il *» » PP <> ' - "eat ^ offence . For one month such , punish-** » emi ^ ^ ' O ' Connor endured in York Castle 'flwrw- years oi pnnishment nnder the old syjrtem . te » te ^' il ear- ) ETer 7 » ember of that House was * ot o ^ T ^^ respo ^ si ^ e ia this matter . He did psftlrP ** ^ ike any barsh obeervattona as to tiie " ^ girded the future there vu so excuse .

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      They were all guilty . ( Hear , hear . ) Government , * taey aUowed thase regulations to continue , wonldT > e-b blame . Honourable Gentlemen opposite , -with tt » right feeling upon such subjects as these , wholly fre » as he believed them to be , from all party consideration ! " would be to blame if they permitted them ; and thow who supported a Liberal Government , who -were ascustomed to look back with regret to those times whin former sentences for political effences were passed nm > h more severe in appearance than that of Mr . Vmcent-& !? 72 S ? ' tf tteyHlowwl jmch oppreulonto coatime , bearshare in the TilBV Wat ** » 11 ( mMfif / TJfwk v _ . _ » * m _ . .

      a guilt The HonT and Learned « £ tleman cooduded by moving that , " considering tee pnvationj that had already been endured by Mr . Vincent , an humble address be presented to ttt Majesty , praying that she will be graciously pleased to order his removal from the Penitentiary to some o&er prison , -where he would not be subjected to the feme sjBtem of privation and suffering ; or that her Msjeg ' . y in censideration of that privation and suffering TrotOd be graciously pleased to abridge the remainder of the term of his imprisonmeat " Mr . t . S . DUXCOMBE seconded the motion .

      Mr . WILLIAMS ( Monmouth ) said that , as one of tbe magistrates for the county of Monmouth , and for the districts which had been disturbed , he felt called upon to state that he looked apon Mr . Vincent as having been the chief cause of all those disastrous events which hAve oeonrred since his imprisonment That individual originally by his great talent in addressing large bodies of people , and subsequently by tlia ability with which he had conducted the paper Balled the Western rfttdicolor during mor » than twelve months , had aroused the people of the cHsbicts in question from a state of peace and contentment to that rtate of mind in which . t £ ey were prepared to follow John Frost , and ultimately to rise in insurrection . While he felt bound to make these observations , he begged to be understood as not wishing to throw any obstacles in the way of the Learned Sergeant He , for one , would be a most warm advocate for the separation of felons from political offenders in prisons .

      Mr . FOX MATTLE Said his Honourable and Learned Friend had not previously informed him of tbe nature of the motion with which he intended to conclude ; but he was prepared to say , without , he hoped , exposing himself to any charge of inhumanity , that he could not meethis metion with any assent When he looked at the conduct of Mr . Vincent and the grounds on which sentence had been passed upon him , he must say that he thought there was some risk in arousing at the present moment the popular sympathy for one who had done so much to disturb the public peace . He was quite ready to admit that whatever was tbe sentence passed en Vincent , there was no right inherent in any party to make that sentence stronger . The facts were these : —Vincent , when sentence waa

      first passed upon him , was confined in Monmouth gaol , where , as the Honourable and Learned Gentleman admitted , indul gences were afforded him that were not generally afforded to persons so confined . One of those indulgences was , that he was allowed the use of writing materials in the prisen , but the use which he made of them was to continue to conduct the Western Vindicator , a paper which contained matter of such a kind that Mr . Marryatt , tbe visiting justice , felt it necessary to ^ pt a step to some paragraphs . In the end the visiting justices came to the conclusion that the imprisonment of Vincent and the others so near the setne of their offences , and in the midst of a population partially , if not entirely excited by their own proceedings , was not desirable ; and they therefore recommended , for the preserration of tranquillity in that part of the country

      that they should be rvmoTed to another prison , and as the Penitentiary at Milbank was tbe only place to which they could be sent at the expense of the state , they were reiuoTed there . Of course , when they entered that prison they became subject to its discipline—a discipline which certainly was established for the reformation of felons , and not for the punishment of persons convicted of political offences . The system , however , did not seem to have affected Vincent at first , for in the first letter which he wrote to bis mother from the prison , he stated that solitude had great charmi for him , and he signed himself " your happy sen . " He ( Mr . Fox iTaule ^ , however , admitted that the punishment inflicted on Vincent in the Penitentiary was much more severe than had been originally intended . But the fact was , that there had been but a choice between two evils—between

      ¦ submitting him to the full discipline al Monniftutt gaol or to the discipline at the Penitentiary , which ceuld not be relaxed without infringing an Act of Parliament He could , however , state to his Hon , and Learned Friend ' T * od UjeEouae ^ tliai ^ s ^ et to adapt the dfedpttoe « f Ttl » ¥ « nltenTfirTrto ttfrt * wKSre it ml ^ it tKf < S £ taft ) te ; it was intended to propose an alteration in the existing law , by which the Secretary of State and the governors of the prison would be empowered to deviate from the rules , in order to accommodate coch cases as the present But he would not consent to agree to an address to her Majesty to remove Vincent to another gaol . The onTy gaol to which he could be removed would be the

      gaol at Moxmouth , which did not appear to him more fitted now for the purpose than it was at the time when the prisoners were removed from It for the reasons which heiad stated . To remove them to any other gaol would be unjustly to cast a burden upon another part ef her Majesty ' s subjects . He , therefore , considered it would be better for them to remain at the Penitentiary , receiving every indulgence that was possible , and put npon such a footing as would leave ao just ground of complaint With regard to the latter part of the Learned Sergeant's motion , he must say + * wit- he did net think the time was arrived to advise her Majesty to abridge any portion of the sentence of Vincent

      They should remember that a storm , the full extent of which they could not calculate , had only now blown over ; that they knew not that the embers of it did not still exist , and might be fanned into a flame ; and that it would be very imprudent to remit at the present time the remainder of the punishment of those who had been the cause of the disturbances . He was far from wishing , aa were the Government , for any undue severity towards persons convicted of these offences—indeed , he thought he might claim for the Government the credit of dealing temperately , calmly , and fairly with the whole of the persons engaged in the disturbances of last year . ( Hear . )

      | Mr . HUME said that they were not to consider the nature of the offence , but how far the sentence of the court had been carried out or exceeded . __ The treatment of Mr . VinceDt had been aggravated beyond all precedent in such cases , and was infinitely more calculated than an / other course could hare bees , to create sympathy for him in the pablic mind . It had been said that Mr . Vincent made a bad exercise of the privilege allowed him in Monmouth Gaol , of the use of writing materials , by composing objectionable articles for the Western Vindicator , but he ( Mr . Hume ) had a petition from Mr . Frauds HQl , the other editor of that paper , in which he stated that from the time of Mr . Vincent ' s ! being impriagfted m August last up to May , that gentleman had only furnished three articles to the paper . 1 As to other communications baring been intercepted , if such was the case , then bo Harm had been done . ( A laugh . )

      Mr . HAWES said that by the Gaol Act , 3 d and 4 th Qfrorge IV ., tie visiting justices were empowered to alter and modify the rales and regulations of prisons in special cast £ » jid , therefore , if there waa&laiD . e to the visiting jp ^ c ^ jwfenoeiS | fc ^ ajha nm instance , who siLOUld ^ ajpfiquired whetSertharB w » s _* pecial circuin 2 ta * Me&A ~ £ h £ case , and if so shonJd BjSflfiMl ^ ieeoNUngIj ? " ^ Rie Secretary of State had no diaffSSatiB the matter . •* ^^ Lord G . SOMERSET said that it had been his ml » fortune to read several of the articles in the Western Findicaior , since the imprisonment of Mr . Vincent as well as before , and he . had somenuon to believe that these articles were contributed by Vincent for several months after his imprisonment When the superior acquirements and respectable condition of persons situated as Mr . Vincent was , were urged in mitigation of their punishment , it should also be taken into consideration that those precise circumstances ought to kave had an " influence in keegiag them out of such a situation . " ( Hear , bear . ) " .

      Mr . T . DUN COMBE said that the complaint in thto ease was , that the law had not been fairly administered . The HoBOorable Gentleman , the Under Secretary at SUtaHLdmitted that no party had a right to make the fesfenee of a Judge severer than the Judge intended it to be ; this was precisely the point It was -contended that Government bad made the sentence of the Judge more severe than tbe law or the Judge intended . lHear , hear , ] The Honourable Member for Lambeth said that the Secretary of Btate had no discretion in such cases ; he ( Mr . Duaeomte ) should like to know , than , by what authority Goverame » t had removed Mr . Vincent frezn Monmouth Gaol to tbe Penitentiary , where Mr . Vincent found himself so much less well treated than at Monmouth . Mr . Vincent ' s counsel , Mr . Roebuck , had applied to the Judge , after the trial , to

      know how Mr . Vincent would be treated , and whether he was to be subjected to the same treatment with criminal offenders , and Mr . Baron Aldersonsaid that he aaw nothing in Mr . Vincent ' s case which called for severity , and that he ahould consider Mr . Vincent ill used if amy . harsh treatment was resorted to in his case , and the Learned Baron not only gave Mr . Roebuck permission to state his feeling on the matter to the 2 < oble Lord at the head of the Home Department , but said that he would write himself to the Noble Lord , to convey his sentiments . The Noble Lord would say whether he had received such a communication . What he ( Mr . Duncombe ) had to say was , that Mr . Vincent , it was clear , had been treated in a manner not sane tioned , but , on tbe contrary , discMiraged by the Judge It was true that Mr . Vincent wan not in b * & health ,

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      but he poignantly felt the degradation be had been subjected to , and well he raigit ; he "was in a state of solitary confinement ; the silent system was maintained ; he was compelled to work as a tailor . Now , was it any part of his sentence that he should work aa a tailor ? ( Hear , bear . ) They might just as well make him tramp on the treadmill , as sit on the tailor ' s shop board . The Honourable Under-Secretary had urged that Mr . Vincent , in a letter to his mother , had subscribed himself " your happy son . " He ( Mr . Duacombe ) could have admitted tbe correctnetr had he signed himself your gallant son , " or " your high-spirited son . " These terms would hare been well justified ; aad he could well understand that in order to allay the anxiety of his mother , Mr . Vincent might hav « signed himself " your _

      happy son , " but smch an expression should not be taken advantage of by the Honourable Gentleman . ( Hear , he&r , hear . ) Mr . Vineent was nob » happy man ; he felt himself to b « -a degraded man . The Honourable Under-S » cretary «{ State ta'ked of introducing alterations by which Government would have the power of altering prison roles ; but this was no palliation of their conduct in the present ea * e . It was undeniable that the sentence of the- judge had not been fairly carried out in this casef and why ? Because Mr . Vincent was a Chartist ? Why was not the same description of punishmeot inflicted upon the Rev . Mr . Stephens ? He was living in affluence in Chester Castle , with his family ; but he believed the truth might be guessed at , when it Was stated that he gloried in the name of a Tory tlaoghter )—while Mr . Vincent was »_ Chartist .

      Afrtr ' few words from Sir Bordley Wilmot in txplanation , , ' " Mr . TOHN JERVIS thought that the explanation given by tbe Honourable Gentleman the ITiider-Secretary for tl » "Home Department seriously aggravated the charge made against the Government . In a county gaol , tbe magistrates had the power of alleviating the circumstances of the imprisonment of any person , and the mere fact of its being unfair that any other county ought not to be held liable for the expenses attending such an imprisonment , other than thai in which the offence was committed , was no sufficient ground , in his opinion , to warrant the removal of a prisoner to the

      Penitentiary , and his being subjected to all the rigorous discipline of that gaol , more especially in a case like that of Mr . Vincent , where the Learned Judge by whom he was tried had expressed an opinion that he should receive such lenient treatment as the rules of the pris » n to which he was firBt committed rendered justifiable . ( Hear , hear . ) He thought that the Government ought to interfere to put Mr . Vincent into the situation which was contemplated by the Learned Judge , and that be should be Bent back to Monmouth gaol , or if that were not safe , he should be placed in such a gaol as that he might enjoy the privileges contemplated . ( Hear . )

      Mr . WAKLEY had heard with very deep regret the remarks of tbe Hon . "Under-Secretary of the Home Department , and he thought the mode of punishing political offenders at present adopted extremely likely to produce great alarm in the public mind . ( Hear , hear . ) It was one of the most serious questions , in his opinion , which could occupy tbe attention of that Honse , and he regretted that its consideration should have come on at so late an hour at night ; and he , for one , would join in keeping up the discussion night after night , until the evil was remedied . ( Hear , hear . ) He thought that the House could not reflect upon the position of these prisoners without pain and agony of mind . ( Hear , hear . ] He should like to know whether the same line of treatment would be adopted with regard to any _ J « oble Lord , in the event of his being imprisoned . There was a Right Honourable Baronet now on the Treasury Bench—a Cabinet Minister , who , some time

      ; ago , bad made use of expressions more intemperate j than those of Mr . Vincent , and had been subjected to : imprisonment—( bear , bean—but was he subjected also . to the species of torture which Mr . Vincent had suf-! fered ? ( Hear , hear . ) What was the language of the Right Honourable Baronet ? It went to suggest , '' what was there to prevent the people of England from going down to that House , and taking the members by their ears—their long ears he presumed—and throwing them into the Thames , and th « n locking the I doors of the House . " ( Hear , hear . ) He took it that i that was exciting language , jmd the Right Honourable j Baronet was sent to prison , bat how was he treated there 7 Was be set to stitch entail-clothes , and make waistcoats No , if he had been so , the Government j wouw have heard of it to this day / and the Bight Honourable Gentleman would never ha % e rested until he had had hi * revenge . ( Hear , hear . ) In twenty years ¦ wfc * ~ affcMttrfajd taken place , andhowdifferent y ™ the trea \ mertl » ifr . V * n ^ ff' - ! tf ! Ka ^ faK ' J KidWi » i 5

      experienced by the Right HonoaHble Gentleman . He was not surprised that the No !* iM « rquis , the Secretary for the Home Department , shtfdfeH&tnk from adopting a lenient course in this caseyiitif tiering the effects produced to him by his exo ^ MSI ^ Aency in the sister country ; but he trusted tta ^ ifcrNoble Marquis would find peraens in that Hodse who would fortify him in adopting a less harsh Krie of proceeding than that which had been now carried on . He trusted that the Honourable Under-Secretary of State would give the House some hope that the prisoner should be removed to Mcmmouth Gaol , considering the expectations held out to him by the Judge at the trial , and more especially considering the injustice of visiting upon him , an experienced young man , these hardships , after the offences of persons of eij > erience , in reference to whom a different line of cpnduc * had been pursued . ( Hear . )

      Mr . AGLIONBY « m | eived that the species of imprisonment adopted in this case would create a popular sympathy much more dangerous than any of the writings of Mr . Vincent could possibly produce . Lord -JOHN RUS 8 ELL thought his Honourable Friend , tbe 'Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department , liad hardly been understood by several gentlemen who had followed in the course of the debate . With regard , to Vincent , his Honourable Friend had said , that having been concerned for several months in various parts of tbe country in exciting tbe people by speeches , which-were considered of so seditious a nature as to appear intended to excite the people to tumult and insurrection , a prosecution was resolved on , and Bentenee was passed upon him . The judge bad conveyed

      an opinion , that fee did not Bee that there ought to be in the execution of the sentence any undne harshness or severity . After that he ( Lord John Russell ) had communicated with some of tha magistrates with regard to the treatment which the prisoner ought to receive , amongst other matters as Xp the use of books ; and with respect to that there did not » ppe& * to b « any complaint of the treatment of the prisoner in Monmouth Gaol . Tbe ground of his being removed to the Penitentiary was not anything done by him in Monmouth Gaol , but that hb presence there was used to keep up excitement and agitation among the people . When the insurrection took place , one of the objects . held forth to the people was the liberation of Vincent . With respect to the qnestion of his removal , the Secretary of

      State had by law the power to remove a prisoner from one gaol to another . There would have been an bjection to remove a prisoner who was charged upon one county to another county , so as to become a charge npon that county , and therefore Mr . Yinaent was removed to the Penitentiary . The ndea of the Penitentiary certainly made the pofttaABMSttBore harsh aad severe than tbe judge who proDoun « a * J }» e sentence , or the magistrates who carried it into execBtian at Mwimoath , or the Secretary of State contMayiated . That -w « Tj « rtai » ly s reason for nufcin « , Mme " ch « # i ^ ( Hear , Wr . ) His Noble . Friend iLPrjt SgrmaafcyMwopoaed to bring in a measure to alt « the law , which was at preeent very strict with regard to tha punishment « f prisoner * in tte Penitentiary , and gave power to relax roles in certain cases . That

      appeared to him , on the whole , the best way of treating tbe case . It was acknowledged the prisoner could not well be removed back to Monmouth , and he did not know any other gaol to which he could well be removed . With regard to the present motion for carrying an address to the Throne for the remission of part of the punishment , he must give his decided negative to the proposition . In doing so , he did not say that towards the end of the imprisoment , when the advisers of the Crown considered tbe whole imprisonment which hmi bMb wadargone , and the part of » it which bad taken plac * in the Penitentiary , that tbat might not be a reason for advising the Crown to remit some part of the duration of tbe punishment ( Cheers . ) That might be a question for so advising the Crown , bat not a reason for agreeing to an address , which would interfere with the prerogative .

      Mr . Sergeant TALFOX 7 KD said , if he rightly understood his Noble Friend , that there was reasonable expectation that the additional suffering which the priaoner had undergone , from reasons of necessity , w « uld be couriered with regard to the duration of the imprisonment , he should not give the House the trouble of dividing , considering that the object of his motion would be sufficiently attained . Sir R . PEEL must express his regret that the Noble Lord had made any condition whatever . He had staid to offer his decided opposition to the motion . He had always said that he would resist any attempt of the

      House of Commons to interfere with the prerogative of tbe Crown with regard to mercy . He thought that the grace of remitting punishment ought to be left to the Crown , and he was certain that if the House of Commons established a precedent of interfering with the administration of that branch of the prerogative , that the position of the Crown would become most disagreeable and most odious . A popular assembly would 1 > e too glad , to avail itself of such a precedent for the . jarpote of leaving to the Crown all the harshness accorirpsnyiag the adtni&A tration of justice , and taking to itself all the grace «( remitting punishment He did not say a wont to pnt fent the Crown from exercising its discretion . ' Letth

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      Crown exendae Us fall privilege of remitting punishment ; but he was sorry that the Noble Lord , for the purpose of inducing the Hoooumble Gentleman to withdraw bis motion , should have distinctly held oat an engagement on the subject Lord J . RUSSELL begged to explain : He did not propose that th « House should interfere with the prerogative of mercy . Bat , i » stating the whole ease , he was obliged to take into consideration what had been admitted by his Honoarable Friend , tbat the sentence was earned into effect with a severity which was not intended either by the judge or the Secretary of

      State , and that this severity arose from considerations affecting the public peace , and not from any fault of the individual . He said that , taking the whole case into consideration , the advisers of the down mi ght properly consider this circumstance in reference to the duration of the imprisonment . In touching upon the question at all , he could not aveid that part of it , but he regretted that he should be supposed to have given any engagement to the Honourable Gentleman who had brought forward the motion , which might interfere with the prerogative . Mn Sergeant TALFOURD said that , with the leave » f tht House , he would withdraw bis motion .

      MR . FEARGUS O'CONNOR . Mr . Setgeant TALFOURD then said that he would not detain the House a moment He had not the slightest desixe to interfere with the prerogative of the QfowxL He would not say a wold a * to the justice of the 8 entenee ; -and he at once withdrew , a portion of the petition ! But it contained statements of-personal indignities andvdegradations which in truth were , in principle , the same as the infliction of torture , and he did not know that they differed very much from it in

      reality . Foi he could well believe that any gentleman of the station in life of Mr . O'Connor , having been a Member of that House , would rather suffer some acute bodily torture than be compelled to perform the disgusting and dejradiug occupations which were required of him . His motion , therefore , would be for an address to her Majesty to cause Mr . O'Connor to b « removed from the prison of York Castle to the Court of Queen ' s Bench prison , or to some other prison of which the regulations did not impose on the gaoler the necessity of inflicting such punishments as those of York C « stle .

      Mr . BROTHERTON took that occasion of presenting i petition from his constituents , complaining of the treatment of Mr . Feargus O'Connor . Mr . FOX MAUJ . E had no hesitation in stating tbat , when the sentence of Mr . O'Connor was carried into effect , his Noble Friend was not in the slightest degree aware of the indigdties to which it was stated that Mr . O'Connor had been subjected . If the allegations in the petition were true , the treatment of Mr . O'Connor had been not only cruel ( hear , hear , ) but such as had never been contemplated when the sentence was passed . ( Hear , hear . ) Upoi this subject , however , it would be more satisfactory tc read to the House some communications which had tiken place between his Noble Friend the Secretary of SUte and the visiting justices of York Castle . The first wis addressed to Mr . Hague , and was as follows : — " Whitehall , May 25 , 1840 .

      " Sir , —I am dincted by the Marquis of Normanby to acknowledge th 3 receipt of your letter on the 22 nd instant , requesting instructions OS tO the admission of visitors to Mr . Fsargus O'Connor , » prisoner in Yoik Castle . "It appears to Lord Normanby that , in some cases of misdemeanour , it would be proper to give a discretionary power to imgistrates ( under the sanction of the Secretary of State ) to alter or relax the existing gaol -regulations , under special circumstances—with reference to the health , the station , the habits , or other particulars in the individual case—so that the punishment affixed to the offence may not , in some instances , be disproportionately severe , and may not exceed the measure intended by the Judge .

      " In the case of Mr . Feargus O'Connor , Lord Normanby is of opinion that you might not improperly allow his professional agent or medical adviser to visit him , and occasionally relations ; but so as not to allow such relaxation of the general regulation to interfere with the good order and discipline of the gaol . Lord Norraanby thinks that the rules ahould not ke relaxed for the purpose of affording facilities to Mr . Feargufl O'Connor for the composition or issuing of political writings intended for publication . , " Regu'atic ^ ns of a personal description , such as those relating to drees , &c . ( which , though convenient in the common tun of cases , might in some cases be JJ » NaB ^^ ^ w * jb » digaitU * » i « W » > «* Jp ^ oM ^ X ^ "WSfirOaaby , be properly dispensed with ill the iHsent caa * . "Itm , Sir , " Your obedient servant , "S . M . PHIM . 1 PPS .

      "B . Ague , Esq ., York Castle . " Tbe nesi referred to a memorial from Huddersfleld , aqd was as fallows : — " Whitehall , 27 th May , 1849 . " GEHTLEMEK , —I am directed by the Marquesas Normanby to transmit to you the enclosed copy of a memorial from the inhabitants of Huddersfield , respecting Mr . Feargus O'Connor ; and I am to request you to peruse the same , and acquaint me , for his Lordship's infonwition , whether Mr . O'Connor has beea imprisoned , as stated in tbe memorial , in a felon ' s cell , or subjected to the ause rules as felons with regard to diet and discipline , Vc in any tber particular ; and whether he has been labouring under severe indisposition , and has applied for any medical assistance or advice , which haa

      'Vfd Normanby will be glad to have a copy of all thelmlfttions of York Castle relating to misdemeanants JE&d felons ; and also to be furnished with the particuUniof the treatment of Mr . O'Connor with respect to die ^ place of confinement , and all other confinement and all other circumstances ; and his Lordship further requests to know whether Mr . O'Connor has made any , and what , complaint of any part of bis treatment , and whether anything , and what , has been done upon such complaint " am , Gentlemen , " Your obedient humble servant , . "S . M . PHIUIPF& " ViBiting Justice * of York Castle . " The next was of the same date : — " Whitehall , 27 th . May , 1840 .

      " Qknxlimbw , —Since my letter to you of thin day ' s date , a statement has been presented to the Marquess of Normanby by Mr . Sergeant Talfourd , from Mr . Fearfus , O'Connor , relative to the treatment alleged to haWbtffe received by him in York Castle . "| it' 4 i $ tes , among other particulars , that Mr . O'Cajjiii ^ ii i ) been associated with felons . Lord Normanb ^^ rtst suppose that this part of the atatemest is en-oniCjBft as it is expressly enacted by law , that misden » iinw > ts and felons are to be formed into two sepaiMe classes . "Ji « $ Normanby desires me to observe , that there ough ** o be nothing of degradation or personal indi gnity in tha treatment of Mr . O'Connor , nor anything which may operate with unusual and disproportionate severity , with reference to his state of health , or his former habit * of life . " I am , Gentlemen , " Your obedient humble servant .

      ^ " S . Hf PHItLIi-PS . V nsltiog Magistrates , York Castle . " ThejJR $ fr , waa the answer of Mf £ Hague , the visiting Jotfte , Which was very short , perhaps shorter than it ou ^ rt ^ o be . It was as follows ;—" *?' ¦ " Y ^ rkCastle , MayS 8 , j . 84 o . "Mr Lord , —I beg to inform your Lordship tbat Mr . Foargus O'Connor arrived at York Castle on Tuesday , May 19 , at ten o ' clock at night , and on the following day was asked by the chairman of the visiting , magistrates , ia the presence of the gaoler , whegur he wished to be in a separate ward , in confonsfesprith sec . 13 of the statute 5 , Geo . IV ., chap . 85 ; yrweu be expressed his desire to be placed in the

      ward , with two prisoners under sentence for three months . 4 } n the following morning , ( May 20 ) the surgeon ordered Mr ., O'Connor tea and sugar twice a day , « ad aaimaVfoct * oa » e a day , which has been regularly complied with . Mr ; O'Connor bit worn hi * usual dreas , and has not been required to perform * ia * menial odVee In his oWn sleeping cell , or in tn « * 1 VMI which he o » cupies »« iO * pt making his own bed , which is now dispensed wittj . Any menial office which Jw has aowdofc * , he w » uld not permit others W do fojItisa - " ¦ 1 'have the honour to be , laiy Lord , ~ '' Your Lordship's obedient , tnuableservant , . " Babnard Hague ;

      ^ " Chairman of the Visiting Magistrates . 11 To fast Majesty ' s Principal Secretary of State for the Home Department " This distinctly contradicted the statement of Mr . F O'Connor , that he was made to perform menial offices in the cell , jof a disgusting and degradiag character Tbe next was from Mi . Hague also ;—" York Castle , May * 8 , 1840 , "Mi Lord , —I have the honour to acknowledge the ree « ipt of your Lordship ' s letter of yesterday ' s date , and I beg to refer jour Lordship to oar letters of this day ' s Ifete , MTitteaifcftvious to the receipt of yoor last letters , fit which \ yoj ^| % 4 ll reoeive an answer to the queries SMpectingihe tBet and discipline Observed towards Mr . £ ttttgus 0 * Cobnoc , With the directions of . the Burgeon ; * wk » attends daily . Mr . O'Connor has not made any ^ implication far other medical advice , and , therefore , Lbo refusal can or has been given . Mr . O'Connor has f « sq > reaaed to u » his satisfaction with the treatment he

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      has receiYed . and is stseh betW in health than wien he- arrived at York Outte . Being the only nrisdemeanan * . he would have been in solitary confinement , bad not two of the most-respectable of the prisoners beta Place * in the ^ aywArd by tbe desire of Mr . O ' Conaor binwelf , as stated ttt our letter of this morning . " I have the hoaowr to be , "Soar Lorship ' smoet obedient servant , " Barnard Hagpr , " Chairman of th * Visiting Magistrates of York Castle . " The next , sod last , with which be would now trouble tke House was the answer to the foregoing letter of Mr . Hague : — " Whitehall , May 30 , 1840 .

      Z ' H , directea ^ the Marquis of Normanby to acknowledge the receipt of your three letter * of the 28 th instant , respecting Mr . Feargua O'Connor ' In reply to the inquiry what exceptions are to be made in Mr- O'Connor ' s favour , Locd Normanby refers you to the general instructions before gives , especially to that contained in my letter of the 27 th ; namely that there ought to be nothing of degradation or personal indignity in tbe treatment of Mr . O'Connor nor anything which might operate with unusnal and dipproportionate severity with reference to his state of health or hi * former habits of life . Lord Normanby trust * that

      this general rule will b $ inore useful for the gutdanee of the magistrate * than , m * nuni « ratio » of minute particulars ; but tf you wMfor directions on « ny specific point to : wfcloh y 4 B %# this general role doe * act apply , Ms tordshifTepeBtB you to inform him . . " ttfaopears to . Lord N « rmo , nby that if Kr . ^ Como wishes tf provide himself with more convenient and suitable bed or bedding , this should be allowed ; and that instead of a common prisoner ' s cell , he should have assigned to him as convenient * room aa can be provided on tbat side of the prisoa where he is to be lawfully confined .

      " Lord Normanby is of opinion also , that Mr . O'Connor should be allowed to see bis relations and friends occasionally , andoftener than the general regulation would allow , but not bo as to interfere with the good order of the prison . " Lord Normanby cannot give his approval to the two rules , which you have transmitted for his signature , because they do not appear to have be « n approved by the magistrates assembled at a Special Court of Gaol Sessions , which is i ndispensabl y necessary . " I am , Sir , " Your obedient humble servant .

      " S . M . Phillipps , " Barnard Hague , Esq ., York Castle . " It fully appeared from these letters that it was the desire of his Noble Friend the Secretary of State for the Home Department , that no indignity or degradation should be shown to Mr . O'Connor during his confinement in Yerk Castle ; and further , that his sentence Should be carried out in a way befitting his former habits of life . He was aware that Mr . O'Connor was an invalid , but there was a discrepancy between what Mr . O'Connor stated , or rather what was stated in the petition , that he did apply for medical advice and waa refused , and the statement of the magistrates ; that , on the contrary , ho did not ask for medical advice , and

      Consequently that It Could nol have been refused . HOW far the last instructions of bis Noble Friend the Secretary of State had been carried into effect he could not say , but with reapect to the petition which ho held in his hand , be would refer it to the visiting justices of York Castle , because he thought that they should have an opportunity of vindicating thoir character , and give a specific answer to each allegation—( hear , hear )—because , without meaning to impute any impropriety to the petitioners , he could not believe that the allegations were well founded , but that some unintentional exaggeration of facts must have taken place , and he would fee most happy , on receiving the explanation of the visiting justices , to lay it before the Heuse . ( Hear , hear . )

      Mr . WAKLEY thought it advisable to adjourn the discussion till Thursday or Friday week , and in the meantime information might be received fr « m Mr . O'Connor and the visiting justices as to the manner in which he was treated in York Castle . He held in his hand a letter , which he had received to-day from Mr . O'Connor , dated the Slst of May , &nd he thought tbat after what had been ; stated by the Secretary of State "he should best serve Mr . O'Connor ' s iaterests by not reading any portion of that letter to the House , and not entering into the discussion at the present time . It wa * quite clear ^ that some changes in bis treatment were tl ^ S ^^^^ K ^ P 114 ?* ^* - ' 4 ^ - ' *^ * " * should kaow whSW || fl » G changes were , he would move that the debate' be adjourned till Thursday week . Mr . Sergeant TAtjFOURD said that it was his intention to withdraw tbV motion .

      Mr . WAKW 3 Y consequently withdrew hU amendment . The ATTORNEY-GBNERAL said that the observations which he was about to make were , therefore unnecessary . Sir B . INGL 1 S hoped , that whatever alterations might be made in the regulations of York Castle , might be made without respect to the previous rank of any persons therein confined . Let the alterations be general , but let net an exception be made in favour of a gentleman , merely because he is a gentleman . isir

      R . PEEL was sorry to hear the Noble Lord say that he thought there was an objection to the removal of a prisoner from one gaol to another , which was better suited for his occupation , on account of the expense to which it put the county to which the gaol belonged . The consequence of that must be that a prisoner must be sent to the Penitentiary . He considered the Penitentiary to be a bad place for the confinement of this description of prisoners . He thought there waa an error in sending Vincent to the Penitentiary , and should be sorry to hear that the Crown had not the right of transferring a prisoner from one place to another

      Mr . Sergeant TALFOURD , in asking leave to withdraw his motion , » nly wished to make two remarks . After the statement which had been made by his Noble Friend , and after the disposition in which he had been met by the Noble Lord at the head of the Home Department , he should have abstained altogether from bringing forward the motion unless he had been otherwise desired by Mr . O'Connor in a manner which left him no option ; but he should nevertheless be ready , if the alterations which were made Were not such as to be satisfactory , to bring forward the complaint again . He would only further remark , that the very necessity for discussion had convinced him that it was absolutely necessary the law should define what should be the punishment for political offenders for the future ; and he could not agree ¦ with his Hon . Friend ( Sir R . Inglis ) who wished that ho respect should be paid to the habits or feelings of prisoners . The motion was then withdrawn .

      On the motion of Lord J . RUSSELL , it was ordered that the House , at its rising , ' should adjourn til ! Thursday . The Irish Registration Bill was brought in and read a first time . The orders of the day having been dispo !« d > ef , the House adjourned at half . past one o ' clock .

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      HOUSE OF LORDS . —Tuesday , June 2 . PRISONS' ACT AMENDMENT BILL . The Marquis of Norraanby , on moving tho con sideration of the Commons' amendment to the Srisons Act Amendment Bill , observed that the S 0 fffljl | ta | made In the Commons dW not meet the difficulty * 3 l which M W » ia !« ided , namely , to relieve persona coi £ fined for ^ teiiidemeanour from great severity of punish ment The amendment limited the relaxation to th < provisions of the Prisons' Act of last year , whereat the severity arose under "the General Gaol Act of 4 Geo . IV ., and he would , therefore , propose an alteration in the amendment , so as to make it meet all case of misdemeanour in which circumstances should exist Whjph should render it desirable to mitigate in ferovu of particular prisoners the general prison regulations

      Bat in moving this , he only did it * a a temporary measure , because it would ecarcely mert the r « fl ettL At some future time he would propose that « o » fitfts « ohfined for misdemeanours should be sepwratedRlai © two distinct classes , ; and that tben the Judg * ifi « tld ' ftqite whether tbe prisoner ahould be confined fci'Cfcws « Wjoft « te » two ; -&ks leaving in the hjw * SMhe Jqdg ^ tbe diwwon aa to | bjB , « e erity of pnniahnvmt ineM&oise . A&tp wn £ * u ^ tfce prOTfanf habita ^ of the ^ individu al mttifi an efiforcenifint of *^ a sfcriet ordiiurypi ^ onoUMipline » gr ^ fa V j «»« . < rf U ^ Beverity of , puniBhraent , andundecthenotnaof iqtjft ^ attjvthey were making th » most nnejyual pimlshiajnt He proposed another alteration , to make the temporary

      remedy apply to the Penitentiary , and iaijaoced the ease of Mr . Vincent , remotedfrom a district , in which riots had broken out , to the Penitentiary , wftbhad been , subjected to a severity of punishment not coa $ empte « ed in the original sentence . ... ^ ; -: ; .. The' Marquis of Salisbury observed , thaiT | t tfeejSM 5 to have been t ) $ fn ^ tttjftac tt » Ho « se of . Xftiuttoti&tfc alter a Bill fraftttd . for thfijurpose expressly to meet I certain eases that had lately occurred ; and , iafactJ to alter entirely the law-jwith regard to all seditigoB and public libels . If the Noble Marquis thought / that in these particular cases there ought to be a relaxation of punishment , he had the power of exercising tbe clemency of the Crown .

      Lord Lyndhurst—Why not print the original Bill , with the Commons' amendments , and the proposed alterations of the Noble Marquis ? The Marquis of Normanby weuld not oppose the printing , if pressed . Though he might wish to relax

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      the severity of prison disdpHne ; he ^ might not ^ wifc ~ to go . to the extent of weoiSinendinf a eSsetf th « NTnW t ? ^ f 114 toclnc ! e the eases to wbJeb-^ ZZSSgr **** - ^ ^ ^ would not be cW « 2 " 3 tfJZ ' ZPSfGSfsr * ^^ ?

      After some further observations , TUe Marquis of Norraanbv 0 bl « m 4 , tbat 1 * did propose to give tne power exclusively to the 8 eei « f » of state , but to the visiting magSratesT 3 u ? m . sanction , and with them it would practically ^ Lent in extraordinary cases , rest A great ptwtiealrfflt took place at this present moment , iiwnKanaiefor £ 1 SCSS £ ^ < HSCTepancy of ** SiW »

      Lord Ellenborongb—That was the- finttof th » 8 * . cretary of State , ( Laughter ;) He might lave disXreS the rules if they were not unifonm ««*» wea The bill was then postponed , that tbe proposed alteration might be printed . " w * u a « e-

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      MEETING OF WEST RIDING I > ELEGA ? ESw n tfce West Riding , was heW on-M onday . J * £ nI J ? K w «» Wtne Co-opemive ^ r / RooaT LWury , to take into const&ertrtuwgi diiSX plans of agitation proposed by Mr . lam , and S piiaas&lfe iSI'IS ^^^^

      a That--for th * accomplishing & » .: &e » osi efficient manner , saeh an import » nfe object thb meeting recommend that there should be a Wat / nc of delegates convened , from all , parts of Kot&mi Scotland , ana Wales , for the puxposaof endwourm « to form a system of national organization , whieh will be able to bring the whole ipTeUigenw « f the country to bear , at once , upon any important ob-JCCt » J 3 ** f ° Uow > 8 Places be requested to send

      : , . delegates , and in the following propbrtioDsr-DuV ham 1 Cumberland 1 , YorksW % Noitingham-S t ire i «? l ? , l ' ? x ? » Wale . 2 , Woxcestert shiro 1 , Staffordahtre 1 , Northumberland , 1 , WoatmorelandL Lancashire 2 , Derbyshire 1 , Warwickshire 2 , Bath and Bristol 1 , Seotch Districts 5 Leicestershire 1-tomeet at Manchester , on July < L and that each of those delegates be requested to come prepared with a plan for such national orcanilation , to be submitted to the meeting .

      4 . That any place not mentioned in the above list being desirous of sending a delegate , be requested to do so ; and any place thinking that they have not a sufficient quantity are desired to supply th » 5 . That each of the districts above named be d » - aired particularly to send a notice to the Northern Star of the ' 20 th June , stating whether it is their intention to send a delegate , or not . 6 . That unless a majority of those places which have been called upon to send delegates acceDt such invitation , according to the fifth reeolution , that tt » meeting called for the 6 th Jul y do not take place . 7 . That the Editor of the Northern Star fe » requested to call the particular attention of tk » Radicals of the United Kingdom to the abara resolutions .

      8 . lhat the Editor of the Northern Liberal b » requested to insert the above resolutions , and also to call the particular attention of the public to them . 9 . That the West Riding delegate meeting stand : adjourned to June 22 nd , at ten o ' clock in the moyning , and then take place in the Co-operative Store Rooms , Dewsbury .

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      _ l r ^^^^ T »» w ^< ir Thk People ' s Chabthb ,--A pennr copy of the People ' s Charter has been jurt published ^ by the Radical Association of Sheffield , « nd is sold by their agent , Mr . Lndlam . of Watswrti-walk , Thw ia ft thing that irasnwoh wanted . * " "

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      TO THE EDITOR OF THE N 0 RTHEKW STJJU London , June 2 nd , 1840 L Dear Sir ,--I am exceedingly grieved that the letters you so kindlv published foe me have caused you sojpuch trouble . The spirited and impartial S . . i 2 Lff-S ^ L ff ^ e . f *^ . % «»« 5 j ™ i shamefulli&lseattackfi made

      m a defenceless woman by Mr . Snmh , and in the t » ok ground by Mr * and » M * - — . They know Mr . O'Brien must , froui tte infamous regulations that now exist h ? ^^^^ XSS ^ &SL ^^ s ^ s ^ & ^ s ^ ftafiraL ^ tsa srssiof my husbands name being connected with such , men , and that contrary to hisarishes . The following extract from a letter which I r © - cenred from Mr . O'Brien on Saturday evening , will , I feel sure convince Mr . O'Brien ' s friends that he has been most foully calumniated •—

      Dsarkst SoPHY .-From the tone of most of yoax late letters , as well as from some extracts Bent to m » by Mr . Smith , of Liverpool , I infer that the Southern . Mar gentry have given you a great deal of annoyance - I hope it is all settled by this time . But should they persevere in their attempt to connect my name with the paper , or with any other paper during my imprisonment , do you let the public know the real facts of the case through the Star and Liberator - Let my friends know the following facts : — 1 . That with respeot to Smith ' s taking to tb « concern , the proposal came from him to me , not from me to him .

      2 . That he , spontaneou 8 ly offered to supply paper » m t ps ' P rintin S > * C' . &c- » even to the extent of £ 5 , 000 , to keep the paper alive , on condition thai I should dissolve my connexion with and become sole proprietor ; but that he refused to

      advance or expend one shilling , so long as was connected with me . ^ 3 . That his objections to were his bad character , and ke bad luck that attended alibis literary productions . 4 . That when relying on the faith of Smith ' s promise , I went-up to to London ( after my Newcastle trial ) to make the requisite arrangements—he appointed an interviewywitb . me—that instead of being with rae at the appointed time , h © was with .

      that he came to me half an hour later , and , then , in the presence of Mr . Scales , refused to have anything to do with the Southern Stary and that on the ground that— had involved the concern ia debt , and that it was not safe to be concerned with such an extravagant and unprincipled fellow . 5 . That in consequence of Smith ' s unaccountable conduct I wrote to Alderman Scales , expressing my wish that the paper Should be sold , or dropped rather than incur any additional debt . ¦

      ¦¦• fi . That I afterwards wrote to Smith from Liverpoo ^ asking whether , in the event of and — - ? giving up the Southern Star , ho would a « 8 ist me to bring out a newspaper ! To-tfeiB , Smith ; made no reply . He never answered ay letter ! I ' M My request was made only on the express understanding that I was acquitted at Liverpool . " I toldt him , I would not have my name coupled with any paper conducted by them . If , in the teeth of thero facts , Smith pretends , Or gives out | b > t the Southern Star is conductert'for ^ iy benefit ^ with my sanction or assentrfie ia an iudpjjMS asd unpiinoipled sookndrel . Aft r can see j * papers hew , I ; lmow Hot what the villains « ay * f ) Ife ' '< - ' . r * ¦ ¦ ; : ¦ ¦;¦¦ ¦ . ; - - ' " ' - '¦ y ^ orBWspectfullT , J . B . O'Bfinnr .

      ! ' What Mr . Smith means about ten shillings a week to pay my rent . I do not understand , as 1 hat * - NEVBR AT ANY TIMB RECEIVED AMI TAVOUB ' - Uf MONEY OR OTHERWISE FROM HB . SMITH OR AHT branch of his ; establishment ob . FAMJI . T- ; that he > knows well . Mr . Smith did not condescendjto giw me the slightest information as to his arrangement with the Southern Star till he received a letter from , one of the agents of the Star , demanding , in the name of a committee , of which be was secretary * an explanation , and stating that he had received » letter from me , contradicting in the meat decided

      manner , Mr . O'Brien ' s connection with tbe Soutlmn-Star . I , at that time / wrote to Mr . O'Briea ' flfrien ^ B ,. whose addressed I knew , to the bum effect , tW hoping quietly to settle the d > 8 a * ree $ i 4 e affair . ' lib . Smith knew tbat I did go . and thai I in noway countenanced ( his nefarious Magae . It was after this that the paper was beaded ^ vfori&e sole benefit —for tub sole BENEFIT (!) of Me O'Brien aad his distressed family . " I appeal to you ; " 3 bt £ and to the public , whether I waVnot compelled to- ^ publicly contradict and expose such uhtolncipleM conduct ! . ¦ ¦ •'¦ :

      Trusting you will allow me « nce more to encroach upon the ooluains of your valuable paper , ~ ; I have the honour to be ^ Your obedient seryant , Sophia O'Brieh . P . S . I have seat Mr O'Brien ' g letter , a * yoa are acquainted with his band-writing ; if yo » - ddaot think proper to publish , would you send it back to meby thepost , if not too troublesome .

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), June 6, 1840, page unpage, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/king-y1kbzq92ze2687/page/1/