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      . We shall , perhaps , J » e told . $ hat r ^ ^^ fc ^ . ^ andioowvere—thiU ibWG ^ panj haxewihad ^ e ts perfect tiwiir ttrxBgt-fteBte-thattfee line is ^ finkhw i—and that ill tb . ese preventive measures as j » lights , & » -, will 'be £ ienaefagi aa tiujycai b © cohiaJefcsd . Beitjo ; ' . ids bat confirms oar argument sad tfcdTTascality ? since it pr » ves that thoogh aware « f 'langer , and knowing that aa unlimited sacrifice of 4 ifo B » y be the ooosequenee , nfchej will risk all , sooner thanvpennit their capital to remain unprodn ^ re for a tor weeks longer . Whiehero / new , therefore , we take of it , we stall find the same

      results . Cupidity aad recklessness , with the ineomjetency necessarily resulting from these qualities , wd the ignorance of the ** educated " classes gener ally *** & « ^ 7 « a pses to which the mischief can be properly assigned ; and they are causes which , bo long as railways and aB other publio matters are nader the eontroul of profit-mongers , must and will always perate to th © production of elects alike ealamrtous .

      What , then , are the remedies to be applied ! Clearly there is but one-that is , to place the legislation of the country in such hands as shall restore man to his true position—as the master , not the slave , of wealth—as shall make the accumulation of indiridual riches a point of consideration , at least , secondary to that of the security and general prosperity ef the community . To do tniB , the law-makers must be the representatives of men , not of moneyof labour , and not merely of its products . Such law-makers would be likely to conserve the general good , and to take such cognisance , therefore , of all

      pubnc institutions , as should prevent the possibility of their being so warped by individuals , to private benefit , as thereby to sacrifice the public good or safety . By such law-givers the Directors of this Company would be justly and deservedly held guilty . of this iqurder of all parties sacrificed to their cupidity or recklessness . Such , we do not hesitate to say , is morally their guih in this instance . All the companies , and the boards of directors , having concern in , and eontroul over , Taylor ' s Junction , are guilty of the murder of

      those persons who were there killed . We have little fiuth in the efficacy of capital punishments under any drenmstanees ; but we do think this , and all such matters , to afford very fair scope for a trial of its efficacy . We think that so long as hanging is yet fashionable , it would be no more than justice to society to hang , for this murder , one-half of these gentry , by way of gentle intimation to the other half that , in the estimation of Bociety , the lives of passengers were a little more valuable than the profits upon their shares .

      We have little hope of seeing justice thus done , nor perhaps , to speak truly , much desire for it ; but we do say , that some means of severe punishmentpunishment far heavier th&n the £ 500 deod&ndwight to be vested in some righteous tribunal for the protection of society against the profit-hunting scoundrels . So long , however , a 3 the representatives of wealth make the laws , so long will the laws continue to be onjust and partial ; to overlook the crimes of wealth , and to manufacture new crimes for poverty ; and hence have we no hope , Bavein the universal anchor , of the right of voting by the whole people for the men who make the laws , by which the interests of the whole people are affected and controlled .

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      ? _ THE "DUNDEE COURIER" AND THE SLUTS . A paper , called the Dundee Courier , was sent to our office , we presume , by mistake , as we were not aware of the existence of such a journal ; however as we look for all sorts of materials for our week ' s work , we cast an eye over such parts aswere legible , when , among other things , we obserred an account of the recent Dundee demonstration to receive Collets and White , and there , to our astonishment , we , for the first time saw , in any journal , a most violent

      BOlinsgate attack , not upon the males who joined in the procession , but upon the females , in which , among other vile epithets , the writer calls them all " sluts , " and speaks of their conduct as "indecent " and "licentious . " The people are all called canaille , * ' and Collins and White " two notable rascals . " We confess that this is the first attack upon the good women of Scotland , famed for their decorum , staggered us ; so we turned to the leader for the politics of our cotemporary , but finding no gnch thing , we were induced to look a little further , in order to discover whether or not the

      style suited a large class of readers . We took np the "Stamp returns" nearest to hand , and there we learned that for the four months of July , August , Sept ., and October , our gallant cotemporary had actually devoured the enormous mass of six thousand stamps , or , in other words , not quite three hundred and fifty-three per week for that time . This was some consolation ; to know that such ruffianism was confined to a single street in Dundee ; but still urged on by our wonted curiosity , we kept perpetually asking , " Do yon know anything of the Zhtndee Courier ? " " 1 * 0 , no , no "" , was the reply :

      ** I lived in Dundee for years , and never heard of iti You mean the Dundee Chronicle" ? We then tamed to the advertising columns , where the notices appeared few and far between . The most prominent being all about the H sluts " , Buch as— " Misses Anderson , milliners , present their compliments' '—* Mrs . Widdowson respectfully intimates to the 1 sluts' of Dundee "— " Miss E . Bowie respectfully presents her compliments to the' sluts ' , and she has toggery of all Borts "— "Mr . William Paterson announces , that he has French apples for tea parties of the' sluts *"— " A Card : Miss Law has come home

      with patterns "— " Miss Park has got her unrivalled thingumbobs in order for the season " . —Now such , we assure our readers , are the leading articles , the actual advertisements , the circulation , and the langaage of the Dundee Courier , about which , after long enquiry , we bad the satisfaction to receive the following information from an authentic source . In Dundee , this sheet is known by the name of the Tabby Tea Pot ; and is actually edited by an elderly virgin , verging on four score ; bo that , after all , the wrath is but the vengeance of soured virginity upon sweet nineteen .

      The subscribers and contributors are all women averaging from fifty to eighty , which latter age constitnte&'a-qualification for a oommhtee-woman , and confers the right of entree" The salary of the principal editress is the right of storming any subscriber ' s tea-pot at pleasure , and Email fees for concealing trifling peccadillo ' s . A person who has been present at one of those soirees assures us , that the fiercest tigers do not look upon their prey with greater savageness than the committee do upon a blooming Scotch , lassie of nineteen , which , fully accounts for the terms , " licentious , " " indecent

      minis , " and bo forth . How do you feel by this time , old Beli . da . mb ] Now , in future keep a civil tongue within your teeth , if you have any , or your age won ' t save you , and recollect that if youth and beauty are faults , they are faults that will mend ; while spiteful old age and ugliness grows more hideous as it approaches the grave . It would be well if our amiable friends , who honour our meeting ! with their presence , their countenance and support , would thus canvas the pretensions of all who revile their noble efforts , and endeavour to intimidate them by Billinsgate and brutal attacks .

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      ? ~ PTJBLICOLA AND THE REPEAL * We rejoice to find that our friend has finished bis union articles by taking refuge under the petticoats of the ladies of Kilkenny and Waterford . Now this is asit ought to be . No man is disreputable in that situation in life to which it has pleased God to call him , and although upon so weighty a subject as the Repeal of the Union , our friend has proved a bad commander-in-chief ; yet , as commander of a ¦ kirmishing party , or captain of a flank company , We shall find him , we have no doubt , most efficient . The retreat of Publieola" has been much more jadicbu s than his attack ; he has covered his rear well with Jos Huxb and the ladie * , and has invited

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      Dam to another battle mm Tnjjjih , ground . Had " fe ^ ebfc ?? wa ited fox ^ ffi ^ , ffigfceiUf of hastily « omm « aiig il » ; battle , ; h ^ w ^ dd- iare eared Ms T > ar * yfirom nmfch lossjand hiBaelffroramaeh ^ ensure , to whwh hie aBprovokM attacked wholesale abuse of belaad hae justly subjected him .- We tatst , However , that his fate will prove a wholsome warning to those who feel inclined to rush into deep water before they can swim . Oa * neighbour of the " fox Hid Gowe" Club just began io paddle a little about the edges of the repeal tadph : -when

      we gave him a splash ; he too , would , no ooubt 1 iave plunged out of his depth , had we not most humanely terrified him in the commencement , by Bhowing him the depth of the waters into which lie was about to dash headlong . He has since very prudently touched the question with that delicacy so becoming - new beginners 5 he has spoken of Repeal as young astrologers speak of the stars , whose knowledge being confined to the fact that they are there but they don ' t know why , leadB them to a most reverential and distant calculation as to their several attributes .

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      it is because they command that balance of power which gives % a rampant , tyratmy the .-maBjerdom over morality / and . T ^ B joie . Do oar * ul * rs send Bbewstobs aad MoiaH » oKs , or cannon and fire ships ; to ^ Cbma and E& ^ ift ; enforce their moral injnncttona . i No , the / lo ^^ e Chinese with destructive opium , and load i ( with bullets , and this is moral force . We always regret when good inen take a single wrong step ; and , therefore , we lament that Collins . allowed himself

      for a moment to mix with the Dunfermline medicine chest j not that there is any fear of vaccination , but these quacks call all their patients who taste their drags . Collinb ' s plan of seizing all the neighbouring magistrates and aristocracy , as hostages and as reprisals , for illegal Chartist arrests , was esteemed very good moral doctrine at Birmingham . How would it suit the Dunfermline slaves , whoge motto is , " O , pray you , kind sirs , knock me down , and kick me for falling . " Bah ! out upon such Scotchmen ; they are mongrels .

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      LORDS LYTTLETON AND LYNDHURST AND THE HIGH STEWARDSHIP OF CAMBRIDGE . ^ This has been another fruitful subject for the u Establishment , " andone uponwhichman y hundreds of columns have been wasted , and , after all , not oneof the papers has given any thing like a correct return of the numbers polled . They state them thus : — Lord Ltxdhuest 973 Lord Lttileto . n 437

      - Majority for Lord Ltxdhubst 486 Now our return is as follows : — For Lord Ly . ndhubst 97-2 Against Lord Ly . ndhcrst . 467 As Sir Tom Potteb , of Manchester , would have polled that number against a Tory : For Lord Littleton ( . self ) 10 For Lord Ltttlbto . n , as brother-in-law to itr . Gladstone , ( Tory Member for Newark ) 10

      We assure the young sprout , that not one dozen voted for him ; indeed , why should they » He has not as yet had an opportunity of showing the effect of the soil upon his breeding . He wrote a speech , with moBt beautiful accuracy , or Gladstone wrote it for him , said to be made in the House of Lords , but never published ' till within this fortnight , when it appeared all in the first person in the Herald , and , from a perusal , one not accustomed to those things , would have exclaimed , why , here ' s the man of God , made to order , and all ready cut and dry ; here ' s the corner

      stone of the church . The fact is , that Ltttleton ' s mother is one of t-he chamber-maids at the Palace , and they hoped to kick up another bed-chamber bobbery , to retaliate for the defeat on the Mayoralty election . Did ' nt Lyttleton know that putting himself in such a situation would have been putting a cocked hat on a bare-footed man , or putting a young head on old shoulders . The hoary old sinner Ltndhuest is matched to a T ; he is a proper head for such a rotten body . The Sun , in speaking of the contest , and Ltteletoh ' s prospect when half beaten , says , " The good old cause may yet rally . " What humbug ! Master LTTrLErow and the good old

      cause : We shall now conclude with a word of advice to our friends of the WTiig " establishment . " They really add to every Tory triumph and their own every-day defeats , by the confidence with which they appear to commence each battle . Now , instead of crowing , had they commenced thus : — Lord Ltttlbto . Ts undertaking so early in life is a bold one , and we trust he has been well advised . " Or , " We regret that some person of liberal principles , better known , has not stepped forward , in which case th

      political value of the contest might have been tested . " Or , We sincerely trust that the young nobleman has been selected by Gladstone and his Tory relatives and friends , ia order to pre-occupy the ground , and thereby insure the return of Lord Lykdhubst . " Surely such remarks as these would have been sensible and judiciouB ; and then a good crow might follow a victory so little dreamed of , while the party would have been

      well covered for a retreat in case of defeat . But now , " good heaven ! " doubled all but one , and by the most rabid old Tory sinner , and in the most W higgish of the two hotbeds of clerical sedition , with the petticoats at work , and the monkeys , too , we suppose ; and still to get such a slap in the face , upon the heel of the Mayoralty , the municipal -elections , the formation of a French Tory Cabinet , and many other reverses , too tedious to be mentioned 1

      What a pretty set of spoonies to think of ruling a great nation ! We strongly recommend our lapdog Premier to shew bis breeding , and walk down stairs , like a well-bred dog , before he is kicked down . Let him bundle np his kit of old tools , and leave th 6 service , with a quarter ' s wages or a quarter ' s warning , whichever was his bargain at hiring ; and Heaven knowB , we would agree to give him a year ' s wages and all his lirery , and not charge him with breakages , to get him once out of the pantry . And when once he does walk out , ye GodB ! what a job bis successor will have : -won't chairwomen

      be on the rise , and won ' t Hawks put a halfpenny extra upon his liberal soap ? We think we smell Downing-street , when the next comers shall Btir the present lackeys' hiding-holes . Faugh ! what a stink !! !

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      THE NORTHERN LIBERATOR AND THE WAR QUESTION . Our excellent Northern coadjutor has , in his last number , by way of " rejoinder" to our previous article , reiterated hia warlike demonstration . He declares that he thinks a war to be desirable , and for the interests of the people of England ; and he undertakes to show , from our admissions , that hiB views as to this affair are sound , and his advice to the people of England good and politic . We shall do our contemporary th » justice of allowing him to state his ovrn case , in his own way , and in his own words . Having re-stated the passage on which we first commented , and which ends with the assertion that we should suffer more from war than pen or tongue can describe—a passage in which our reaxiera

      * n U remember we expressed our perfect acquiescence—he goes on : — " The Editor of the Star then admits , that a war ( either with France or any other Great Power ) would produce " Bank restriction and one Pound notes ; " he admits that it could net go « n " with our present burthens on our shoulders ; be admits that it would bring on " a state of turmoil and confusion ; " and he admita that the " . suffering would be more than pen or tongue can describe ! " Certainly they would , dear Editor , and for this very reason it is that we advise the people of England to hitch their Government , if possible , into a War ! For amongst whom

      would all these dreadful things fall ? not amongst the people -, riot amongst the working men , not amongst the masses ; but amongst the satellites of the damnable system ; amongst the Jews ; amongst the loan-mongers ; amongst the fund-holders ; amongst the jobbers ; amongst the sinecurists j amongst the pensioners ; amongst the commissioners ; and , in short , amongst all those who swallow the sixty millions of taxes , and them only ! Amongst these , "Bank restriction and one pound notes" would certainly play the devils own saraband ; for Bank restriction would

      ineritaMy be followed by two prices for commodities and & total blow-up of the paper and funding' system ; and when the Jews found that a fire pound note , in which alone they could be paid , would not buy a rotten turnip , their sufferings , ' we dare swear , would be indescribable . This suffering would not , however , reach the working men . In * uch a state of things , to prtvent total anarchy , wages must be paid in coin ; so that the result would ¥ e , the Government would get nothing but the base paper , and the people would get the coin for tht necessary interchanges » f life 1 ™

      This might be very good reasoning if it had any premises oa which to rest . If the people had any power in the regulation of the interchanges of society , or in the arrangement of any social matters whatever ; but no one ought to know better than our contemporary that this is not the case—that the loan-mongers , the fund-holders , tho jobbers , the tax-eaters , carry with them , as connexions and dependants , the whole profit-mongering population , in whose hands all the power of the country i * so placed and concentrated as to enable them , so long as coin remains to clutch it—so long as wealth exists to keep it—though its producers die of

      hunger all around them . Does the Editor , then , of the Liberal * - ' find any facts in history to justify him in concluding that these cormorants would give up one atom of the spoil , so long as they could keep it—that they would submit themselves to the confusion and turmoil—to the distress and suffering—which he contends would be consequent on war , while any possibility remained of shifting it from their own shoulders to that of the masses—the working millions f Does he think that they would be bo careful to prevent " anarchy- as to

      make the working people comfortable , while they themselves were ruined ! Have they ever done it \ Is there anything in the nature or philosophy of things that can lead us rationally to expect it 1 How absurd , then , must it be , to tell us that we should suffer more from war than pen or tongue could describe , but that this suffering would not reach the working men ! Let not the working men thus deceive themselves ; there never yet was national distress in which they did not bear the heaviest burden , and they would certainly not find this to be the first exception .

      Our contemporary proceeds to tell us that in the confusion that must ensue nothing could prevent the people from taking their Charter , and " what blsb thet would ! " The capitals and the note of admiration are our contemporary ' s own . Now , this is the very state of things which we desire not to see . We wish no " anarchy , " we wish no " confusion , " we wish not to see the people "take " anythingbutthat which is their own . We wish oaly to see them

      peacefully progressing towards the obtaining and establishment of those rights from which we believe an improved state of general society would speedily ensue . We believe that war would seriously militate against their getting into this position ; and hence , therefore , on the principles of policy and prudence , of patriotism and justice , as wellaaon those of humanity and benevolence , and Christianity , we still feel bound to maintain opinions very different from those of our respected and esteemed coadjutor .

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      Mb .. O ' Brieji and Mr . O'Connor . —We have received a communication from Mr . O'Brien , complaining of the publication in our last , of Mr . O'Connor ' s letter to him , he being of opinion that it ia calculated to injure him with the public . We cartainly see nothing in it to warrant such a construction as Mr . O'Brien seems to put upon it , Whose letter we think gives ample evidence of his being "thin-skinned . " We had no idea at the time when we received the letter , but that the parties

      understood each other as to its publication . Immediately Hpon receiving Mr . O'Brien ' s communication , our publisher , Mr . Hobson , waited upon Mr . O'Connor with it , at our request ; when he received from Mr . O'Connor the following instructions : — " Say , by all means , that I sent a copy of the letter to Mr . O'Brien to the Star , with the view of letting the public know that I still preserved my attachment , and felt the same regard for him , and that the letter was written with a

      view to its publication . " Ms . O'Coknor begs to say that he received a letter from an Association , relative to the best mode of securing their fundt , and as he cannot give an opinion , he would strongly recommend the parties to have the contract drawn by a respeetable solicitor , upon a stamp , and i f the dra ft is sent to him , he vnll then advise upon it . We believe the application teas from Hulme , or Chorlion-upon-Medlock , G . * M . BxsxLs . Tt . ~ We have no recollection of receiving the report of the meeting of ladies at Bath . R . B ., Tiverton . — We should think not ; but it is impossible to say of what the wretches are capable . H . Griffiths . —His Utter on the Welsh Martyrs

      next week . His other communication was received . Jakes Dison . —We did receive his letter of last week , containing the proposition that " as the subscribers had paid one halfpenny extra to the Star for Airs . Frost and family , that , on the 26 th December , 1840 , the price of the Star should be Sixpence on that day , and that the extra profits should be given to all the victims of Whig tyranny equally , so that they may rejoice with us at this cold season of the year , and let them and their friends tee that they were not forgot . " If it was not noticed , it was by inadvertence . Of the great number of letters which we receive , some almost unavoidably get overlooked some times .

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      J . Ibbetsoh , Bradford . —The orde ^ h ^ spooks of as ^ havki § beenjiotfed on Friday , the 6 th instant , > did-m * eaekmtr Office Mtrftertumonihe , - Saturday . His Tapert had been out of the 'Office mneteen hours when the order came to "' - tottff ? -toe <» ti / rfnor , / Aeri !/ or ^ a «« ndr < oi / . ^ j&tf ft !( Q wefeirWiWrwoften given--puttie : haAt ^ thAt ¦ : * wilesrbrdfrs were hhbk on the Thursdayt-jAw - could not be attended to . We print the first side of our sheet on the Thursday : we are guided in thenxxvatorwe print by the previous week ' s num-¦ 7 her and the- order * . received up . to Thursday ' ' tightLr W&e u # 4 oi"to insist , on having orders here on that dajh Me ~ should not know what number ta print on trie Thursday , and confusion ! ^ g .

      and' lass would * e the result . No on » knows ' this better thun . Mn Ibbetwn - < mdikt should ¦¦ ' ¦ not blame us for not attending to . his requests if he will not send them in time . On the 2 Uh of October we also received an order from him on the Saturday ^ norning ; in , ikat instance > his Papenhad . not left the Office ; and we posted him , by first mail , the _ number his letter required . SHU this does not satisfy . He returned some to the Office during the course of the next week , which cannot be allowed for . . W . Whixtakeh . —Apply to A . Heywood , 60 , Oldham-street . T . M'PbebSO » .- ^ -TA « Papers were sent last week . If they did not arrive in time it was not our

      fault . . J . Bbechah . —The Papers were properly posted ; and if sent by coach , and not by mail , it was not onr fault . J . Argust and D . Jones , Mbrthyr . —The Papers were posted at the proper time . A . Ramsat .- ^ -Received . G . B ., Wesibury . —We had rather see the people have no need for the pawnbrokers . ¦ . . . . James Lord will uccept our thanks , and convey them to his and our friends for their good opinion . We shall do our best to deserve a continuance of U . We fear his sovereign and those of his halfdozen friends will do very little towards getting Mr . O'Connor out of York Castle ; but they will " be worth their value * in shares of the Morning

      • Star .. i ¦ ¦¦ . ¦ . , ¦ . - .. •¦ ,. ¦ . Edward Gaskell . —His lines won t do . " A Voice to the Chartists , from WaKEFIELD ¦ Hell" is sadly , lame as poetry . J . Baibstow . —We cannot promise two or three columns } but if the leoture be sent , we will give it as lengthy as we can . We must have it not later than Tuesday . Mr . Bairstow denres us to say that he purposes to lecture , on Monday , December 7 th , al Upper Worthy ; on Tuesday , at Woodfiouse ; Wednesday , at Morley ; Thursday , at Hunslet ; and Friday , in the North-east Ward , Leeds . Jabez BAVLV . A . cU ) VQa . ~ His letter next week . M Warning to Tvrants" will not " suit our columns . "

      Margaret Duffey . —The lines written by her husband in Northallerton hell-hole are well calculated to be interesting to her ; but they have not literary merit to make them bear the test of criticism . A Constant Reader ^ ChorIton-upon-Medlock , Manobester , wishes us to notice an article which he says he posted for us on the 20 th of last month . He does not give any clue to help ourrecollection about it , and we are quite sure that if he saw the hods of letters that we get every day , he would feet no surprise at our being now quite unaware whether we got an article from him on the 20 //» of last month or not . Hit present communication shall appear .

      Thomas Maccosnell writes us to deny that he advised physical force at a late discussion with a teetotaller , as stated in a document referred to by our London Correspondent , last week . JOHN Hardman . —Hisletter is an advertisement , and cannot appear in any other form . ., Wk . Hay . wood . — We cannot interfere . He must arrange with Mr . B , or Mr . C . Thomas Grant . — We had no room for the letter to which he refers . Our space was occupied by more valuable matter . John Rose . —We cannot insert subscription lists . A . C— We cannot insert hia attack on the Baptists . Thomas Dunniko . — We shall be glad to receive copies of the correspondence . It may be useful .

      N . IN kale . —The song may do to sing ; but we cannot print it . D . M'PhersON . —His -sonff wants poetic merit . Alexander Lovttit . — We have received a letter , much toolongforour columnsjrom this individual , detailing the circumstances of what seems to have been a ease of gross injustice . It appears that in his capacity of schoolmaster he attended some illiterate oaf of a middle-class man for -some time , to fit him up for a book-keeper , and was obliged , after a series of mean and paltry shufflings , to have recourse to a" court of justice' *—so called—for the recovery of a very trifling fee ; that he was interrupted several times while stating his case by the Clerk of the Court , who told him that they wanted no Chartist speeches

      - there , « nd ultimately dismissed his case , because he could not produce an agreement signed by the parties , he haviiiggiven evidence that he had been ordered to attend the booby , that he had attended him , that he had charged much lower than is usual for such , occupation . Renovator—Sin of drunkenness next week . A Subscriber , near Hudder $ jUld . — - \ V e cannot print the extracts from Volney in the Star ; of course , , it is open to any other parties ( 0 pritu and circulate them at any price , they please . Bradford , ( Wilts ) National Charter

      Association . — We have had one or two other fetters about the report said to have been sent here in October last . We have no recollection of having received it . The Coal Miners of Ashton-under-lyne . —Their address shall appear . Thomas Ireland . — We thank him for his kindly remembrance . His letter , commenting on Dr . M £ > ouall 's lecture , teas laid aside for insertion at the lime of our receiving it ; but , in the hurry of business , had been overlooked and forgotten We think it now rather late ; but it shall still appear in a future number if he desires it .

      T . W . —His poetry won't do . A Teetotaller . — We cannot afford space for the discuision of the principle of Teetotalism . nor do we think it necessary . The progress of facts , which toe chronicle with pleasure , will soon put discussion out of court . A Chartist . —As t / ie matter is under legal consideration , we cannot interfere in it . John Millkr , Bonn Hill , can have Mr . Hill ' s books by any public conveyance from our Publislter ' s . Perhaps the better way for him might be to get them from London . He will get them from Mr . Cleave , 1 , SUoelane . If he do not receive a London pareel , any bookseller uho d oes will order them for him . A heap of Correspondence , much of which was intended for insertion , must lie over unnoticed . FOR THE WIVES AND FAMILIES OF THE INCARCERATED CHARTISTS . Collected by H . Bracewell , Helbrook , near Colne , per T . Baldwin 0 2 0 From a few Operative Tailors , Wrexham 0 6 0 From two Friends in Colsnaughton 0 13 FOR MRS . FROST AND OTHERS . From Mr . Elms , perfumer , Newton Abbot , Devon 0 5 0 FOR MRS . FROST . From Cook , Duckinfield 0 1 0 ,, Amicus , Brechin 0 0 6 „ a few Friends in Irvine ... 0 1 0 ,, a Chartist at Ripon ... 0 1 0 PROSTS ' S DKFENCB FUND , From the Democratic Shoemakers 4 ; of Edinburgh ... 0 11 0 FOR HRS . ROBERTS AND MRS . PEDDIE . From Adderbury 0 4 0 „ Banbury 0 2 0 ON ACCOUNT FOR THE BIRMINGHAM COMMITTEE FOR THE RETURN OF FROST , WILLIAMS , AND JONES . From J . Perring , Easington . ... 0 3 6

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      The Rurals have arrived and commenced on their arduous duty of watching the paving-stones by day , and looking o « t by night to see if some wild colt of a comet should make its appearance . Our respectables have long been clamorous for an efficient bluebottle force ; they have got them—much good may they do them . The people begin to ask , who are to pay the gendarme i The operatives cannot pay the present rates ; for the majority of the working classes in this neighbourhood , for several years , has not averaged above seven shillings per week . So-, let who may dance , the middle classes must pay the piper .

      8 ELBT . Lkcturb . —We hear that Mr . Bairstow , the talented and indefatigable lecturer for the West-Riding , will deliver a leoture to the people of Selby , on Tuesday evening , in Mr . Hodgson ' s Long Boost , the Crown and Anchor , Gowthorpe , and at the olose of { the lecture controversy will be challenged .

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      PUBLIC DISCUSSION IN THE CARPENTERS ' HALL , MANCHESTER , ON THE SUBJECT OF TEETOTALISM . This town has been for many weeks in a state of the greatest excitement relative to the principles of total abstinence . The friends of this God-like undertaking have met with great opposition from various quarters ; many , letters have been inserted in the Whig and Tory papers , which were signed by a person who called himself Laicus , the purport of which was to shew that total abstinence was one of the worst signs of the times : but we are hapry to aay that the fallacy of thjj

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      aaserUoa-faaa been properly exposed by one of -the members of ; lhe society . Two others are exerting themgeiyes , in : of der , . if jpBaiblfc to bring . those principles into disrepute . . One of the dUputanta ia ' a person of th » name , pt . Kepyon , a calico-printer , at iStockport , and the bthet'li' one of the same trade ,. ' whoie name is Gradwettf we regret that * the latter lfl so engaged , las we ] t ^ lie > e % nl ^ Jb * a ^ ; . . Mr , Kenyon has . made " it hia business , for several Week * , to come front Stockjobrt tp object to anything advanoed at the t « mp « wn < # meetings , uttttHhe excite ment became so great that thVrobm became too stall ,

      and , it was thought advisable , - by the teetotaller */ fo accept a ch « leflg « " given hy Mr . Kenyon . Arraiigeraeutq were accordingly' made , ' and placards issued % w ^ the ' town . " : ( * " _ . •¦•; - ¦¦ ^ .- ; V- * ' ' ' ¦¦ ¦¦ . : -: •¦ On Monday evening ,, a ^ B ^ e b ^ fqMeMt o ' clock , the staircases were complo ^ y crammed with working men , and ladies and' genfleiaen , In one" m ' oving mass : so closely were they wedged together ^ , that ; ft waa Impossible for the people'to er trlcate themielyes . Three men had to be employed lit clttgging them out one it a time , and in this way It continued until the platform , gallery , and the bbdyVof the hall , waa completely crowded .

      The time being arrived for commencing business , Mr . Wrenwick was called to the chair , who read the placard convening the meeting . Ho then Introduced : Mr . LOMAX to the meeting , who maintained his point like a man , wishing to do justice to the cause he espoused ; suffice U to say , that he gave the greatest satisfaction . Aa we do not interfere with any man ' s theological opinions , we must be excused for saying mote . : . •¦ ¦ '¦ Mr . Kenyon was then called upon , but the people were completely deceived : he had neither address

      sufficient to speak to the audience , nor had he anything to bring forward . The people were patient to a fault In having their understandings thus Insulted . He concluded with exhibiting a small paper coffin to the meeting and a bag of sand , saying that tUe sand was an emblem of teetotalism , being built on sand . He then poured the sand into the coffin , amid the most tremendous shouts of laughter . Mr . Lomax then shewed him up in his proper colour , and elicited the moBt hearty applause , while Mr . Kenyon was saluted with a volley of hisses and groans .

      Mr . Griffin aald that in order to show that the working men ef Manchester could decide upon the merita of a question after hearing it discussed , he would submit for their consideration the following resolution , which was seconded by Mr . HoWarth : " That Mr . Lomax has clearly demonstrated that the principles of total abstinence are founded on reason and Scripture , and are eminently calculated to remove drunkenness by prevention and cure . We , therefore , recommend it to the practice and support of all wellwishers of their country , as a means of blotting put one of the foulest stains caat upon us by the people of surrounding nations , viz ., " Drunken Englishmen , " Great praise was given to the Northern Star , for its countenancing the principles of total abstinence .

      SECOND AGGREGATE MEETING OF THE FRIENDS OF TEMPERANCE AX HUIX . On Thursday , the 17 th instant , pursuant te the request of several respeotable gentlemen , the friends of temperance in Hull held , a second aggregate meeting , for the furtherance of that glorious cause . At no time , since the Introduction of the temperance reformation in this town , has tbe demonstration in its favour been bo marked and decided . The Rev . J . H . Bromby , Vicar of Holy Trinity Church , having been solicited to take the chair , assented . On Thursday evening , the spacious hall , which will hold two thousand persons , waa densely crowded in every part . The galleries , and part of the bench , were reserved for the ladies .

      A little after seven o ' clock , the Rev . Vicar , accompanied by several friends , of different denominations , entered the hall , and took the chair amid the deafening applause of the audience , who , in the most marked manner , evinced , their respect for the aged , minister , who had presided over the largest parish in the town for forty-two years , and is hi possession of the esteem and good will of all ranks and classes in the community . The Rev . Gentleman addressed his audience in a most admirable manner , in commendation of the good object they were met together to promote . He said he was not a pledged member of any temperance society , but he had been an abstainer all his life , and to this he attributed , under Providence , the excellent health he had enjoyed . He did not employ a family physician , for he had never had occasion to do so he had not bad a day ' s illness in his life , excepting those chronio diseases which were the companions of old age , and which he must expect , having recently , attained the age of 70 years .

      Mr . M . Firbt , a reclaimed character , and one of the most active members of the Hull Temperance Society , was the first speaker . He addressed the listening throng in a style of bold and manly eloquence , depicting in lively colours the evils of intemperance , and tbe blessingsof sobriety : especially he pointed out to his own class , the working men , the delusion under which they were labouring , in . supposing that strong drink waa necessary to enable them to perform their various avocations . He referred them to himself , who was constantly at the forge ; and to thousands of others , who were employed iu the most laborious occupations , and who could do their work as well—nay , much better— . without stimulating drinks than witk them ; and concluded with an earnest appeal to all present to come and sign the total abstinence pledge .

      Dr . Gordon was next introduced to the meeting , which he addressed for a short time on the physiological view of the question , pointing out the nature of disease , and the injurious effects which the use Of alcoholic drinks produce upon the system . We have not space for lengthened detail , and indeed the subject has been so often explained to the publio , that it is unnecessary . The Doctor illustrated hia subject by drawings , which appeared to excite very considerable attention . The meeting waa next addressed by W . J . Ready Esq ., wbo hail , at considerable inconvenience to himself , consented , at the urgent request of several friends , to attend on the occasion . This gentleman , whose

      whole soul appears to be directed to the cause , spoke in a manner which elicited frequent tokens of approbation . He addressed the Chairman in a delicate and feeling allusion to his venerable years , and expressed , in handsome terms , the gratitude which he felt for the kindness with which he had so readily acceded to the wishes of the deputation . Mr . R . spoke of the pleasing sensation which such a meeting waa calculated to inspire in the Christian bosom , when Catholic and Protestant met at brothers to promote the common good of man . Mr . R . paid a just tribute of respect to the teetotallers of Barton , to which place he had paid a visit on the previous Monday , and sat down , leaving an impression which will long be remembered .

      The Rev . T . J . Masser , In highly complimentary terms , congratulated the Rev . Chairman on the position which he had consented to occupy . At a subsequent part of his address , Mr . Masser referred-In torms of strong , but just reprobation , to the libel upon the teetotal advocates , which had been uttered by a Mr . Ribble at the licensed victuallers' dinner on the previous evening , and which appeared in one of the papers of that day . - Mr . Ribble had designated teetotalism as a nine days wonder ; in truth , said Mr . M ., it has been a ninety-nine day ' s wonder , and the wonder is not over yet nor likely to be . But , continued he , Mr .

      Ribble tolls his audience that the teetotal advocates are bad husbands , bad fathers , and that our principles are all humbug . How eloquent is this advocate of strong drink ; but he goes on to advise hia audience to be moderate both in their own conduct and hi the regulation of their houses . How very considerate is this Mr . Ribble ; what a friend to sobriety and good order ! But let me , Bald the Rev . Gentleman , direct you to a fine comment upon this moderation speech of Mr . Ribble . When he had sat down , one Mr . Crunch was tailed upon for a song , and he gave them one which he had prepared for the occasion ; and what was it , think you ?

      " Be aober to-morrow , But drink , drink to-day . " If this Mr . Crunch was here , I would not sing him a song , but I would say him one , and here it is . Mr . M . then repeated , In a beautiful stile , that splendid temperance ode , commencing : — " Water , bright water , for me , for me l " After some further remarfcs , the Rev . Gentleman eat down , and was followed by the Rev . P . M . Kate , Catholio Priest , of Bradford . Mr . Kaye delivered a speech of facto , and brought before the audience calculations which we regret that want of space compels us to omit . He detailed the way in which the temperance reformation was introduced among the Irish in Bradford . They commenced as moderationiats , and their pledge confined them to a pint a day , so that they went by the name of pint a

      day men . They held their meetings on Sunday nights , and kept them up till eleven o ' clock , when they adjourned to the Swan with Two Necks , or some such place , to get their pint , over which they sat descanting on the blessings of temperance till twelve o ' clock struck ; then some Irishman , more witty than thereat , would observe that it was Monday now , they might as well put both pinta together ; and then another , more witty still , would say , m we have had two pints , sure it can do us no barm to get another—that ia only three—ao they ftund it out this would not do , and they called in oil their pledges , aad cvmmenoed again upon the total abstinence plan , and have stuck to it ever since . Mr . Kaye selected several pleating anecdotes of the Rev . Father Mathew , and concluded by enforcing on all the necessity of taking the pledge , and becoming sober men .

      Mr . T . B . smith said he bad intended to make some remarks , but at that late boor he would only detain the meeting by moving a vote of thanks to Father Mathew , for hia benevolent exertions in Ireland ; and also that the cordial thanks of this meeting be given to the Worshipful the Mayor , for the readiness with which he granted the Hall oh this occasion Both having been seconded by the Rev . T . J . Matter , were put from the chair , and carried unanimously . The Rev . Vicar having left the chair , it was taken by the Rev . T . J . Masser . A vote of thanks was then passed U the Rev . J . H , Brouiby , and the meeting separated .

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      ; i POOR'S AEFA 1 BS . "THE BOON : " "IT WORKS , WELL . " » *? ? J ? B Elil : ? , ?* $ ? b jBjpitrarair stab . ¦ SiR , ^ T b 4 poor . in thia . ( ii * triot * eM aeffiv used ^ iOi the same seyaritr ar at praseati ; « nd J « bi « now thj » prevailing habit ± 0 jendikmllias i * tba : woikiwHae , > t a «?** b extra , coat , i » . . theniosttaWpa ; wbaoi ^ M to b reUevedmodeiately with ^ ut-dooc » 8 siabMi « r . T . To those who ar ^ jmy way <« onne 6 ted , 4 pfiai ; tt ^ office preofli uraeceswuy , aa it is a subject otrconatant remark . ; t « others , however , a few cases may be ofEered . , ^

      .. 4 . Conkey , a strikes ^ with wife , and three children , who was outot . work , . would have , been « Ud of abp « t 38 . per week { wjarelused-ail iellef ; except aiewprktotuHJ ^ an ^ tt la ^ t , afterieverc ! gufiiring / wjentto Ripcheater , at a coat to Preston of abd « t ten or twelve shillings- w .-Vf& He pleaded for ; Preston Worib . ouse , but wa » refjaaetl . While at Ribcheater . a vacancy owarred at Mr . Clark ' s foundry ,, but being so distant , it was taken up before ha coulJigetf-word . He complained sorely of the living , afe ; length J « ft , and - pot on some way " -fox several weeks , by charity and " clamming ^ ' A warper * out of work , wife and three children , would have been satisfied with three or four

      shillings weekly , till he got work ; was sent to the house , at a cost of eleven or twelve shillings .. Another niaa ,-whoappliedfor a loom , the cost of which would not have expeeded 8 a ., was sent to Ribchester , along with hia wife and four children ., A woman , with an illegitimato , child , bad la . per week . This was stopped , and both sent to the workhouse , not unlikely to corrupt others , at a cost , deducting the value of her jobbing , of three or four shillings per week . A woman , w { th three children , was allowed 2 s . 6 d ., and would gladly have had it continued , but it was stopped , and they were sent to the house ; and when I last inquired , Bhehad been there seventeen weeks , at a cost of about nine or ten shillings : per week .

      I could multiply these caaes to a great extent , But it ia unnecessary . The readiness to gite orders is only equalled'by the indifference apparently manifested as to discharging them and assisting them to pursue some course of independent labour . Many , by this system , become . thoroughly pauperised , aod a fevnianeht burden upon the parish ! Instead of examining the iamatea in every house every week , and getting them discharged as soon as possible , both for their own sakes ami for ' saving the parish funds , many , remain month after month unnoticed ; and hence ,, at

      midsummer , when the houses ought to have been comparatively empty , tbe inmates of Preaton Workhouse alone amounted to . nearly three hundred { I have no doubt I could select , not a few \ caseB where the townships have lost £ 25 a-year each by this "in-door " system . The Bxpence does not merely consist in the maintenance , but especially in their clothing . When families are ordered to the workhouse , they often take care to go in their worst rags—almost n * ked , and for decency ' s sake they must be clothed , whkk constitutes a heavy item ia workhouse expenditure .

      I know there are cases where it is correct policy te offer the workhouse , but a judicious discrimination ought to be used . When a man is out of employment , and cannot possibly get any , as is now very commonly the case , I say it is cruel to order such a one to break up his house , and send him away , instead of allowing him a moderate sum ; or , which is much preferable , finding him employment Independent of all other considerations , if a woman happen to have had " a misfortune , " er a man so unlucky as to contract an " early marriage , " and ia not able to support his offspring , they are almost sure to be ordered to Ribchester .

      It is the horror of the workhouse which fills bur streets with beggars , and is saddling private charity with the burdens that the rates were intended to bear ; whilst eur taxes are exhausted by bad management , and by costs and expences arising out of this complicated and unchristian system of the economists . I knowmany wretched cases belonging to Chorley union , all of whom say "it is of no use applying ; we can get nothing but an order , and we would rather live on two meals a-day , or beg from door to door , than go to that wretched place at Leyland . " I visited a family the other day , of the name of Cross , residing in Bfick Silverstreet , who were sold up for rent , and compelled to go to Leyland-house . She gives , as others have given , a dreadful account of it They have four children under twelve years of age ; they are afflicted with sore eyes and very sickly , and the doctor says it has been owing to bad living . Indeed , I scarcely , know whethei Garstang or Chorley unions excel in severity to their

      poor . By the system of workhouse intimidation , the allowance to many who do get out-door relief is so scanty that they must either beg or starve , I knew a case belonging to Preston , whare , owing to the man ' s sickness for the last fortnight , their income , including parish relief , to ., did not not exceed lOd . per head , for rent , and food , and everything ; and if it had not been for kind friends sending them potatoes , they must have starved . When she was asked , " Why don't you apply for more relief ? " she answered , "Idurst not ask for any more , Mr- —is so saucy ; and I am afraid they will send us to the workhouse . " I may also mention the following affecting case , belonging to Penwortham , which I visited . The man ' s name is Capsticka weaverliving

      , , in the first cellar in Whalleys-square , Marsh-lane . He has a wife , and six children under twelve years of age , some of them very sickly . His earnings ore about 8 s . per week , and they are allowed 3 s . from the parish , making Us . for eight of them . When the rent , fire , candles , and a bit of soap , are paid for , there remains not more than Is . a head for food , and nothing for clothing and other necessaries , which a family ought to have . It was near five o ' clock on the Sunday afternoon when I called to see them . In the course of conversation , I said , «• What had you for dinner to-day ?" A pause ensued , but no answer . " What had you for dinner ? " I repeated . The woman looked at her husband , and he at her , with an expression of countenance I shall never forget ; and at last , with an

      indistinct voice , she said , " We have had no dinner . " " The word went to my very soul , and in my heart I cursed the system that had ground down the poor to such a wretched existence . They had had a little break" fast , and she was then making seme cakes of oatmeal and water , "to put them on , " as is not uncommon , with two meals for the day . " Why dont you apply for more relief ?•• said I . " We are afraid to do this , leat they should stop what we have , and send us to the workhouse . " She has , however , since applied , but , like many others belonging to the Longton district , she has never got a fair opportunity of pleading her own case before tho guardians . When she applied to the relieving officer , she was taunted with this answer- ^ " I can get you an order , if you have a mind . "

      Another of the most afflicting cases I have recently met with is , that of Thomas Cross , now inRibchestei workhouse , separated" from his wife and children , who are in Walton Workhouse . He is a man subject to a nervous affliction , brought on , it is said , by religious melancholy , which has evidently impaired hia health . He has a wife an * four children , and , in the usual way , has been sent to the workhouse in preference to out-door relief . He is a man who requires a peculiar kind of treatment He quarrelled with the master , and for this , or some other act , was reported to the magistrates as refractory , and was imprisoned three weeks . X have enquired into all the particulars , and do think , considering the man ' s health , and state of mind , he was severely treated . But passing over that

      after his discharge from prison he received an order for Ribchester Workhouse . Not being able to endure the thought of separation , from hia family , he went aad fetched his wife and children out of the workhouse j took a cellar , and if the board would have granted him abed and some little allowance , he would have tried to do for himself . This was refused , and nothing allowed but an order , himself to Ribchester , and wife and family to Walton , and all his entreaties for an order t » th&same house were in vain . Nevershalll forget the frantic look , the heart-rending tears of this man , inmyshop . when hegazednpanhiswife with an infant at her breast , ami three little ones about her feet It was too much for my feelings to endure . " I'll not part with thee , I'll not part with thee whatever comes , " was bis cry . For a day or two they loitered in the town , living on bit * given to them , and lodging at the tramp-house . Hunger at last compelled them to submit , and I saw

      nothing of him till last Tuesday , three weeks from the time named . - He exhibited a melancholy air , and told a most pitiful tale . He had come to repeat his application to the Board , to be allowed to live with hi » wife ; but all hia entreaties of the relieving officer to allow him to ge in were in vain . At noon he came down to my shop , more distressed and disappointed than ever ; and if it had not been for the special interference of a friend , he would not have got a hearing , for the relieving officer , in place of sympathising with him , called him " a fool" for making so much ado . Before the Board , he begged tenderly to be allowed to go to his family , and expressed hia sorrow and repentance for anything he bad done wrong , but an ia vain ; he was told that when he could keep his family he should have them . ¦ A number of Guardians were heard to say , " Oh , let the poor man go to his wife , " bat the decision was Ribchesteragain I !

      This , Mr . Editor , is Christian " classification , " with a witness ! Never did I see despair and desponding madness so vividly depicted in any man ' s countenance as in his , while tears rolled down his cheeks . " What shall r do , I'll not go back , " heexclalmed ; " I'll go to my wife and children , and they may kill me if they will I cannot be worse . " For a while all entreaty wm fruitless ; at last , however , I persuaded mm to refrain from doing any rash act , to return to Ribchester , to wait another week , and again to

      repeat hia application next Tuesday . Whether he will succeed any better God only knows . The tender mercies of the poor office are cruel ; the criminal is convicted udoq evidence , and receives the benefit of the doubt ; in the office only throw a doubt upon a . man ' s character , and that ia his conviction . Even if this man had done all that he was punished for , surely there ought to be some limit to severity , and some beam of mercy towards the Binner . Tho length of this letter warns me to conclude ; , reserving further observation for another week . I remain , Sir , Yours , respcttfuily , Preston J . Lmsi ;* .

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      THE LATE SCOTCH DEMONSTRATIONS . A most glorious succession of triumphs in Scotland have added strength , vigour , and respectability to the Radical cause throughout the laud . We have narrowly watched the progress of the missionaries , and rejoice at their success . It is now evident . from the fruitless muster of the pill-box full of moral philosophers at Donfermline , that the days of the timid are numbered , and that Scotchmen , in denouncing all noisy clamour upon the question of physical force , have not , however , lost one { particle of that noble bearing and national courage which has so distinguished their ancestors in all assaults against tyranny . The Scotch construction of moral and physical force is ^ n complete unison with our own feelings , which may be thus expressed : —

      " O for the swords of former time , O for the men that bore them ; When armed for right they stood sublime , And tyrants crouched before them . " To deny the right of the oppressed to use arms for their deliverance , is , to say the least of it , a censure upon all by-gone heroes , and a stigma upon the names of Wallace , Bkuce , Washington , Bulivab , and others , who have made successful appeals against tyranny ; while , upon the other baud , advance in knowledge has taught the Scotch the true philosophv of bearing the lesser evil till prepared to throw off the greater . The quacks who keep eternally

      dinning moral , moral , moral force into the ears of their audience are willing slaves , as they never acknowledge the right , under any circumstances , to meet armed aggression with armed resistance . Let any man read the accounts in our last paper of the base and cowardly assault of the masters of Edinburgh upon their men , whom they threaten with H ? mni RBai and starvation if they use moral meant to better themselves , by the application of a portion of their hard-won earnings for tbe purpose . Let the reader then turn to the beastly robbery of the men by the Heywood tyrants , and say whether or not Universal Suffrage , or anything that will aid it , is not physical force in the estimation of those plundering

      rascals . We rejoice , however , that even in Dunfermline , Jeremy Diddler Morrisson , and Hallet , have not succeeded in throwing a wet blanket over the burning flame of patriotism . What do Governments boast of their armories for ! Ii it that the look of them will create a moral lore for tyranny f No :

      To Readers And Correspondents.

      TO READERS AND CORRESPONDENTS .

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Nov. 21, 1840, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/king-y1kbzq92ze2711/page/5/