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' CONFLAGRAtlON , IN PfflLADELEHIA . { From the mridphia Sor & American , JMf- &) This city is at the present moment in a high state of excitement , owing to a fearful conflagration whidi is now raging with very little abatement from all tte efforts « a « making » suppress j « £ rtom ** hMdwav which the flames . hawa !« ady obtained , and SefoSflfthe hre ^ e that « An ? mgthem utc . yet Se where they will stop , or what will be the ulfamafe ^ w « rtheir ravage . The fire originated about a 2 Xt 2 K *** iteWW the upper ^ S the large double store-house on . the south side Water-street , below Tme , owned by , John Brock , orncerv and commission merchant . The buildm *
mas all the way through to Delaware avenue , and is orfup ied in the different apartments and stories bv Gordon aud Berger ^ y -merch an ts ; Jacob Le verine - molasses dealer ; Whampole and Shannon , sailmakers ; John Keller , hotel and bowling saloon arid ! fcy John Brock for the storage of saltpetre . —The fire raged with , great fury , and the firemen , who were promptlyonthe spot , . notwithstanding , the narrow ? n ^ i ^ f ^ r , Bt j 6 tt , VaKhienierei it . difficult to rwchtheimmedttte sccneofthe conflagratiri nVwould have succeeded in mastering it but . for a terrible ex ^ plosion whictLoccurred about half an hour after the ^ re began . To give an idea of the . ' scene that followed thus , calamity is impossible . As SOW as the flames h & direachedthe - ^ altpetrc in thestOK-roomof mr- Brock , several successive reports were heard . '
: andnnaliy atremendouaexp losiontook place , spreading terror and destruction aronnd . The force of the -esplosion was lateral , shattering the . walls of the building , bnt it spent itself principally in an upward ¦ ouwUon , carrying with , it into the air , to the height . V f ^ ^ ffi 6 -hunung : masses of combustibles , with bricks , joists ,. < 6 e . —A heavy girder was thrown sheer up about J 00 feet , and fell upon one of the houses in Front-street , breaking through the roof and burying and injuring some of the inmates , who were engaged in hastily . removing their effects . . At this moment , there we ' re about 3 . 000 persons on the ground ,, and the spectacle of fright and confusion , and the wailing and screaming of women and children , made up a scene of . horror beyond description . —In
Water-street > where . the firemen . were chiefly collected , the houses immediately , adjoining Brock ' shuilding : were , completely demolished by the explosion ; while those situated on the west side of Waterstreet and east side of Front-street were instantaneously set on fire by the flakes , and cinders which were flying in all directions . Many of the firemen were thrown , with their pipes in their hands ,, from the xoo & ' of the surrounding houses , and others knocked down from the engines , and some of them burned oi -lacerated in a dreadful manner . —The force ofthe explosion , and the intense heat aud fury of the fife , as ¦ at bnrst out on all sides , were attended with lamentable loss of life . Several men , women , and children , were instantly killed ; numbers were frightfully
scorched , and dreadfully , burnt and mangled ; while many . others were , hurled into the decks , some of whom were drowned .:- On Delaware avenue tuft" 6 was a veryJUige crowd _ of _ spectators , arid when the panic seized &» portion of . the multitude , a great number of them sprang into the rivefi utterly unconscious of what they were doing . —Pen fails to . depict the scene that succeeded . The dead and dying were Iwrne to the nearest drug stores and police stations , or to the . hospital . The wind being fresh from the south-east , the flames spread in a north-western dl ? KCtkm , and before the firemen bail recovered from the bewilderment occasioned : by the explosion , they obtained fearful headway . The buildings were nearly nil old and combustible , with shingled roofs . The
fire , in spite of almost superhuman exertions on the part of the'firemen , continued to make the most alarming progress , and for , sir hours baffled all attempts to check it—At ten o ' clock , the hour at -which , we ecinmenced penning this report , nearly the 'whole of the properties embraced within the boundaries of the " Delaware-river East-, the east Side pf Se « -coad-street West , thennrthside of Galiowhill-street Kortb , and" the south sideof ^ New-street South , in- ; eluding Delaware-avenue , Water , Front , Vine , and New-market streets , ' with the intermediate small -streets and alleys , were involved in destruction . —The areacomains about four ' squares .-and some twelve
blocks , in which'there were perhaps 300 buildings . The locality was one of the most "dflMely populated in the city , arid a large number ofthe residents being poor people , the amount of suffering is immense . The houses generally Were among tbe oldest in Philadelphia ; yet there were -many valuable' business stands , and some of the finest of our -antiquated -Quaker mansions . —After the most diligent inquiry , we have been unable to obtain a complete list of the titled , wdnnded , and mi-sing . From all the information in ' regard id the most melancholy part of tbe story of yesterday ' s disaster , we ' feel safe in stating the numberas follows : —Killed , 30 ; wounded , 100 ; -drowned , 9 ; missing , 17- Total , 156 ;
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The Mascfaciukb of Soap . —On Monday some returns relating to soan were printed by order of the House of . Commons . In Great Britain ; in the year ending . ' otb . January last ,. the quantities of soap made numbered l . iiO . SSA lbs . of silicated soap ; 178 , 513 , 688 lbs . of other hard . soap ; and 17 , 4 i 7 , 5 SLlb 3 . of soft soap .. In ' the yeaf , " 195 , 570 lbs . of hard soap , and 4 , 603 lbs . of soft , soap were iinporte'd into Great Britain from Ireland , the duty on which was i £ l , 3 S 3 lis " . ' 3 d . . There were only seven convictions for defrauding the revenue . . The number of licenses granted to soap makers' : was 328 , of which 152 were resident in ' England , ' ^ wenty three in Scotland , and 15-3 in Ireland .
THEEiPXunci . —The history of medicine is by no means flatterins to science . It is questionable whether more is tnotrn of diseanes , 'their ' cause , sad their cure , at this moment , than in the lime of Galen ; it iscertun that diseases are quite as numerous , and in the aggregate as & taL Every age has produced some new system of artificial . therapeutics which the next age has banished j-each has boasted in its turn of cures , and fhfcy . in their turn , Lave , been cbh : deemed as failures . ATeduanes themselves are the subjects of fashion ; ItitnotaposifiVuproof that medicine is yet unsettled ; "in feet , 'that it has no established principles , that it is little more than conjectural ? % At this moment , ' says Sir . Pinny , - ' the opinions on the subject of treatment are almost as numerous as the practitioners themselves . "Witness the mass of contradiction on the treatment of even cue disease ; nsraelyi consumption . Stroll attribute ' sits frequency , to theintroriuction of bark . Morton considers hark an effectual cure . Keid ascribes the frequency bf the
disease to the use of . mercury . BrHlonet asserts that it is curable bymercury only .- Jiuse . says that consumption is an inflammatory disease—should he treated by Weeding , purging , cooling medicines ,. acd starvations ., ; Salvador ! sarsit is a disease of deldlity , and should be treated bj tonics , stimulating remedies , and a generous diet . Galen recommended vinegar as the best preventative of consumption . Dessault and others assert that consumption is often brought on by taking vinegar to prevent obesity . Beddoes recommended foxglove as a specific . Dr . Parr found foxglove more injurious in his practice than beneficial . Such are the contradictory statements of medical men ! ' And yet tier * can be : but one true theory of disease . Of the -fallibility and inefficiency of medicine , none have been more conscious than , medical men themselres , many of whom have been honest enough to avow their conviction , and pow recommend MESSRS . DTJ BARRY'S KEVALESTA ARABIC A FOOD , a'farina , which careful analysis has shown
to be derived from the root of an African plant , somewhat similar to our honeysuckle . It appears to possess properties of a highly curative and delicately nutritive kind ; and numerous testimonials from parties of unquestionable respectability , have attested that if supersedes medicine of eretj description in the effectual and permanent removal of indigestion ( dyspepsia ) , constipation , and Diarrhoea , nervousness , mTiousness , liver complaint , flatulency , distension , palpitation of tbe heart , nervous headache , deafness , ucises in tbe head and ears , pains in almost every part ofthe hody , chronic inflammation and ulceration ef the stomach , erysipelas , eruptions on the skin , incipient consumption , dropsy , rheumatism , - gout , heartburn , nausea aud sickness daring pregnancy , after eating , or at sea , low spirits , spasms , cramp ,. Sjdeen ,. general- debility , paralysis , asthma , ' cought , ' inquietude , ' sleeiJessness , -involuntary blushing , tremore , 3 I « like to society , unfitness for study , loss of memory , dslusions , vertigo , blood to tbe
head , exhaustion , melancholy , groundless fear , indecision , wretchedness , fhoughtsof self-destruction , and many other complaints . It is , moreover , admitted by those who ha * e used it to he the best food for infants and invalids generally , as it never turns acid en the weakest stomach , but imparts a healthy relish for lunch and dinner , and restores the faculty of digestion and nervous and muscular energy to-the . most enfeebled . It has the highest approbation of lord Stuart deBecies ; tiie "Venerable Archdeacon Aleyander Stuart , ctltoss—a cure of three years' nervousness ; Mnj & r-Genexal Ifcomas King , bf Ewnoufh ; Capr . Parker , D . Bingham , R . N ., of So . 4 , Park-iralk , " Little Chelsea , London , who was cured of twenry-seren years dyspepsia in six ¦ weeks time ; Captain Andrews , K . X ., Captain Edwards , E . N . ; William Hunt , Esq ., barrister-sr-law , King ' s College , Cambridge , ' who , after suffering years from partial -paralysis , has regained the use of his limbs in a very short
tune upon tins excellent ford ; the Rev . Charles Kerr , of Wroslow , Encks-a cure of functional disorders : Mr . T . Woodhouse , Bromley—recording the cure of a lady from constipation and sickness during pregnancy ; the Bev . T . « mster , of St . Saviour ' s , Leeds—a cure of five years nervousness with spasms and dailt vomitings ; Mr . ; Taylor , f 2 on ? i ~ a "• CaP 1 - AUen . recording the . cure of epifcuc fits ; Doctors TJre and Harvey ; James Shorland , fr % : oJk ^ "W- * ™** , Beading , Berks ; late surgeon ¥ ** J 2 % USPS * «** ** & ° I * J 5 Sanies Porter , Esq Attol-stoet . Perth , a Cttre of ^^ ear 8 ^^ vW- ^ Si ^ . O'SnlKvan , M . D .,- FX . C . & , Dahlm , aperfectcureof airty years'indescribable agony ^ K ^ f ^ n ^ f- ^ Sf allotherremedies ; and ^ 20 , 060 omer well known mdivlduals , who" have sent the mscoverers and importers , Du Bake * and Co i *> 7 New Bona-street , London , testimonials of the extVaordinarv ni ^ mvrlueh ttelrhealth to I ^^ rcShrthl useful and economical diet , after all other remedies ' had te
^ to ^» v ^ formanyyears , anaaUhopcs ofreeovery abandoned . 'A full report of important carei of ^ tt ^ ahovi ana many otter complaints , and testimonials from nartiM of the highest respectability , is , we find , sent gratis bv Uu Barry and Co . ' —iforntn ^ Chronicle , i u Barrv and Co 127 , Sew Bond-street , London ; alsa of Barclay * Edwards ' Sutton , Sangar , and Hannay , and flttongfa all grocers ! chemists , meaicme vendors , and booksellers in the kinjf 4 om . -CaObo *!— The name of Messrs . BuBABst ' s invalu able foo 4 as also that of their firm , have been so closely imitated that invalids cannot too carefully look at the exact spelling of both , and also Messrs . Dn Barm's address , 127 , Sew Bond-street , London , in order to avoid beingimposedupon by Ervalenta , Real Arabian Kevalento , Lentil Powder , or other spurionscompoundsofpeaj , beans , ndian and oatmeal , under a close imitation of the name , which have nothing to recommend them not the reckless audadrj of their ignorant aad unscrupulous compounders , « d which , though adunrably adapted for pigs , would pJaj sad havoc vrift the delicate stomach of au invalid or tout .
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mi m ^ Glasgow toiS ? 5 ! S r-te th jMboskof the by nuhUaS iW }» W Dempcratio Assoeiatiori CnSet TSSSi of tK ^^ ' $ M ¦**** DubUn frvwn ^ pt ¦ ¦ , ' - 6 D emocratic . Association , J 3 rffcS * ^ ° hm a PP « d » jour jour t £ 'Si ee ^? n the suhiefof a nniori betvieen « RZ ^ T , of the Ws ^ Alh- anco andthe ' members oi the . l Msh Democratic Associatioii :- ' . ; =. ' ' „ " 15 , Deriziel-street , Dublin . . ¦ P « .-rln the Northern Stdr of last Saturday , I see the contents of your four letters to . ' me , " of date June 30 th , July , 2 nd , 5 th , arid' 7 th , aU of which I replied to in a letter to you of July 8 th' and all oearuig on the sariie snbiect . on what vori call a
nnion between the members ofthe Irish Democratic Association arid the members of the Irish illiarice . ' 1 would rather not be called upon to say anything mere on the matter than what ITiaive said already to you andto the members of the . I ' rancis-street branch , hut your withholding the letter which I sent-yoti . from their secretary , Mr .. John Ryan , against my wish and request , ' makes the writing bf this letter an indispensable duty . "Andhefe let me ask you ' why yon did riot comply with my request ? I-arn sure it was a very reasonable one . i told the Francis-street men to let yon see our communications to theiri , and that you would let them ' see mine to you . -They ( the : Francis-street men ) did as 1 desired them , « biit you'did hot . Our > eas 6 ris for
allowing yori arid them to do So were ; to prevent suspicion and . underhand conjectures on either side ; and I was so sure of your acting up to my request that I keptno copy of the letter which I sent to yori . Sow we , your brothersiri Glasgow , have no interest in those Opposed to you more than this ; that rre believe they acted ri ght ; tbat as disciples of John Mitchel they could not have acted otherwise than theyhavedone in the present case . " Why , then , kidnap our letters to further the particular views of any particular hody of Irishmen , when , according to your own statement , all are working for a cbmriion cause ? 'You said you * ' would respect piir decision as that of honest honourable men ; , ba it for or aspiiust you , " but this you did riot do . As men
aehng upon princi ple and honour , where iriterest was out of the question , we said that you were ' decidedly wrong . Why , then , riot make our honest sentimerits known to all brothers in the good cause ? if we had agreed with you no doubt you wouldI have done' this ; but this we could not do ; consequently our opinions are by . you suppressed , But wewill not permit this ; we will go any length , in concession where principle is nofc . irivoiVed , but we will not , we cannot / allow any . man or body , of meri jto think for us so long as we have got faculties ' of our own . You speak too rashly of the Francis-street men ;' you leave far too much ; weight upon theiri ; suppose they . were all devils , ' they could . not , as you stated ' extinguish in Ireland : the last spark bf Irish
nationality . " You accuse therri of faults which they are not guilty of ; . they never " prejudiced ua agaihBtyouj"inthat letter Which you refer to ' ol thcira ; they did not even mention Vjjc mm ... They did riot "' open their . ' correspondence . with ns in si " perfidious and' unmanly maHneri" as you say . Their communications with -us , as far , as fegards you , "had none of the' characteristics which you ascribe to themf There ' ' was more ill feeling manifested in your letter to meof the 2 nd / July towards them , than would . be in one thousand such letters aathey sent ^ toiSieJ ' towards yon . ' ,. ' , '" . ' . " ' [¦ "' . ''But these airednly preliminary matters ; I must new enter upon the real subject , . the Union—is 'it desirable ,- —is'i t riecessaryi- ^ -is it' possible ^—or -is it
neither , of thethreef 'We emphatically say—no . ' " "First ; theri ^ it lY'hot desirable . that we should enter into aa association with men , who haverpublicly renounced the principlesofthosevvhosei creed we have adopted jandin -whose theory , reduced to practice , " lie s our only hope . ; for Ireland ' . a . ' inSepenjdence . 7 'A nnipn . with a political . ¦ . body , ' ; whbse ' founder ( Sir . C . G . Daffy ) we ; publicly " acciis e of leavin ' gour Jrophet » 'john Mitchel ,: todie in chains . ' What ! a iiriioriwithdmartwlibbad " nosympathy with the late immortal Lawler \ " - 'A union with an association of men who threw overboard- the pria ciples ' of O'Brienarid Meagher , and ,, afterwards ; when they found out ; their mistake , affected to pity theirfate . ' It is not ' desirable with us to re !
-com' mence another fifty , -years agitation , or any agitation at all which holds putanyhopeinthe present Gohstitutipn or Parljamerit . ' And . yet , this "Parliariientary question you say reinaina an open qnes * . tion . " . Did you think that the . Democrats of these ' counVies were ^ sueh fools as to belie ve you , when you call stichn'bnridleof nonsense a union ? So , union it is nof , nor cannot be ; you ririist adopttheif principles , or they mustadopt yours , and , in that case , it . would be merely a change of policy ^ hut no uriio ' n : or , again , youholdydrir'jown / prii ^ ciples ,. and they theirs , as yori partly haveWrie . ' arid . then what will yon have gained on . either . side ? You will jiist end whereyot fbegan ; ' But yori ' say . ' . tbey ( the'Alliance ) waived all objections on the Church Question ^" Devil thank theni' for that ; they , had , long : siuce seen that-that was' agross'blunder in ihe forma ;
tion of their body , they know , or at least they came toknowj that they were powerless to -interfereJri the matter , and they know more , that the second and sixth objects of our own association are questions of a similar nature ; inasmuch as they never can be put into eiecution so long as the present state of things " continue ; or ' so long as / we ' are , subje ' et'to British law . ' You agreed to pat ' a ' commir tee i « working order , to Watch over and protect the sacred rights of labour . ' Bah ! Protect labour , ' forsooth , where there is no labour to protect ; butA you will create labour , ' you will , in * my eye , ' rinder'the despotic sway pf law and capital ; arrayed against yon ; when yon do I wish you iuck , but , the thing is an ahsnrdity . Take cai-e , brothers , that you be riot made the unconscious ' tools . of the . wily ; Duffy . selected by him to work but his retrogatje policy . " ;
. . " . But such a union is not . necessary , our young association is . but yet ; in infancy ; weire it not' for your contention" in Dublin , it would soon bave been strong enough to accomplish , the , work before it , and , with God ' s helpi so it ' . ^ will yet , although ; the men of Dublin , altogether , ' ; s"hould never shoulder a musket . Wewill not , iri this , mbveinent , ldok tri DriMinas bnrguidiiig star , butto ourselves , ' wher : ever we are , througborit the ; three Kingdoms ' . ' If you choose to ; coiriealong with ' . ' us , i well andJgbod ; if not , we can go ahead without you . ; . But , if you are true' disciples of John Mitchel , ; , as you say you
are ; you will drop this , union dodge , for he . was no hair splitter . ' Those who . ' could not , unite or ; come over to you , holding his principles , are not worth your consideration ;; let them talk , if they . please , but it is your duty to act .. This , is ., ihe only kind of union that ever we could sanction , and . this , in the meantime , is your plain duty . After , this is | done , a proper union , based on principles , if required , wili be easily accomplished . . ' Then we will join witb ' you in' the right sort of agitation ; then iwfl will . * form a committee' to watch over and protect the sacred rights of labour . ' , ...... . '
" Beheve ns , Brothers , yours mall sincerity , ' "Jons Ltsch , ; . ' " 81 , Green-street , Calton , Glasgow ., " Jons Mubrat . ' " , '" Jon jf ScAsiifr , ' Chairman '¦"¦ ¦¦ ' . -: . of the Committee . " Copy of theresolutioh of the weekly meeting : — " That wo , the . Irish Democrats in Glasgow , having adopted the principles of . J . Mjtchel , our association is open to all men of sterling democratic principles , and that we could never sanction a union , even were it possible , with the Irish Alliance on any pretence whatever . " |! . ' .: - "• • • ' JOSEPJI O'DOHEBIV . ' . ' . Pat liiSY . ;
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Kew Locomotive Excise . —A trial has just been made at Charleroi of a newly : inven , ted . ' engirie , ; tb ' e motive power of which operates in a completely different mariner from that , now in use .. The inventor , M : Hector de Callias , a Sardmian erigineer , proposes by his plan to increase the speed of locomotives , to give them an adherence four times greater than they now have ,, and to decrease the expense of fuel . ' "By the pressure of only one atmosphere the wheels made , 300 . revolutions , a minute ,, which would give a speed of , twentyfour - leagues an hour . . The . Belgian Minister -of Public Works has appointed a committee of engi-r neers to report to him on the experihienfi . which are to take place on the government lines , and'has ordered every assistance to be given to the inventor . to facilitate his object . ., ; , i ¦
FpoirCATCHiso . —A . correspondent says ' : — "A very large number of letters , have ; lately passed through the Dead Letter office , each containing a shilling ' s .- worth of stamps , addressed to a person who called himself a professor , and who , for some reason or other , was tion est when the letters arrived for him . These letters were addressed to the professor , in consequence of his - advertising that he would , for ashilling , f give plain directions to enable ladies and gentlemen to win , by a simple but'captivating'and . enthralling process , the devoted affections of as many of the opposito sex ' as their hearts may desire . ' From the'handwriting of these letters , it was evident ; that , they came from old , middle-aged and young ' persons of both sexes , in every rankand ; station of hf & i SucVa fact as this eiiabld 6 ln estimate to he formed of the almost marvellous extent of human credulity in this enlightened age and country . '' , " . ¦"' - ' ;
CossmipiioK opTsa . ^ -On Jfonday a parliamentary return was printed , by which it appears that there has been an increase for the last three years in the consumption of tea . In 1847 the quantities , retained . for home consumption were 46 , 3 l 4 , § 21 Ibs ., which the duty at 2 s . 2 id . per pound , was £ 5 , 086 , 494 . In 1848 the quantity retained for home consumption was 48 , 374 , 7891 b 8 . on which the duty was £ 5 , 329 , 992 , being ? an increase of 2 , 419 , 9081 bs . onsthe preceding'year-j : ; whilst : irii 1849 ;; the year ending the 5 th January last , the quantity retained « as § 0 1021 l 5791 ba ., ana , the duty paid JM 1 , 422 .
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after some . discuSsion ; J- ' - ; ' Theirlordshipstheriadjourned . ; - -: ' ' : : ' HOUSE DP COMMONS . —AittiissioN of , Jbw § isio PABiiAMENT . —The debate was resuriiedupoii the motion of Sir R . Isolis , that the house / refuse , on the' claim of Ba ' rori Rothschild to take the oath of allegiance on the Old Testament ; toalter the form of taking the oath . : : > ' ' : '''"' " ' . , : Previous to entering onlthe main question a dis- ' eussiori arose as to whllher ' the . ' proceeding-had hithei ^ o . be bn sufficiently' formal ;; . and ^ hether ^ the house should riot beiriprfssessiduof the reason why the Baron desired to be sworn on the Old
Testament ; '' , ' -y ' ' ' '' ' ' t - ' Me . Henlet , Sir G . Gret ; and Sir J . ; GbahajJ , were of opinion that the question ' should 'be put to him ; and Sir P . TnEsioEK thoug ht that ; a further question would be ' necessary , ¦ whether ho „ was a Jew * " " ' *' ; '¦ •'¦ ; " . "• • ' ;;¦ ¦ - •> . •¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ - '; ' . . ' ¦ - . .-. ¦ ; Mr . Osborne hoped the Baron would not answer such a question , which would-raise ; the other point as . to the oath of adjuration . i } ~ "¦ , " : " . '"" ; : Tbe CiiAJfcBLioBof the Exchequer said , the question now was merely as to the "form . of taking the oath ; and he " proposed- that thc Baron ' should ; he called in and asked by tho'Speaker why he jdesired to be sworni in that particular form '; ' ; , ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ' , Sir J . Graham proposed that no question be put to the Baron except through ; the chair j that every question be put in writing ; moved and seconded and carried before it beput . \ " ' " . ' ' .: ¦'>' . , Lord J . Busseli , concurred in this proposition . ' '
The Chancellor of the Exchequer then moved , " That the ' Baron de Rothschild , bneof the members Of the City Of London , having demanded to be sworn on the Old -Testament ; be called to the tabkantl asked by the Speaker why he deirian'ded to be sworn inthatform : ' . ' ' ' - - \' ' - ' - '' - ' \ •" - '• ; , s '; ' ' ¦ -- .: > : ^ : ' . The motion being agreed to . theBarori : de > Rpinschild was called - in ; and , appearing at the table , to the question put by the Chair , ^ replied , ' "; Bcc & uae that Js the'form- of swearing which ideclareito . be most binding upon' my ' corisbiehce ;''; ''' HeJi . tbeii retired . - "" - •'' - " . ' ¦'¦ "' - . ; ;" : ' : ' - " ' ' 3 '! -- . ' \ . ' ¦; ¦ ' .-- After , some further discussion : upori '' points . of forin ; -.- ;• ..:. : ¦ ¦ - ! t :.: ! , i .:..:- & k / . i .: < . ; v ..: ' . / , «* .
' Mr . Si-WoBiLEr ; 'after observing that he thought the'frieh'ds of Baron deRothschiw' were taking-an injudicious ' course , said what the ho nso . really wanted ip'luiow ' was whether he came to ^ the table with a lon & fide intention of ' taking 'the' three : oaths required by tbe acfc of 'Parliament to' be" taken by meriibers of-that house ' ; arid he moved that the Baron be called in and asked whether ; , he . - ' was willing-to ^ ake these oaths . *• ¦ ' ¦ ' ¦' ' ¦'>> ¦ - '• •' ' •' - ¦ ' , ! ,, ! ., ; .-. SirG . Grey objected . tQ this . course ; which would riiixiip both the' questions } hetbought . it hetterto decidetheprelimiiiaryiquestiorifirst ; : "" - \ w - . ; The house having-divided , JJr . Wortley ' s i motion wasueg ativedby 118 tol 04 : '! !;' ' '•"* - ' _' : '¦ ¦ ¦ , )„ ' . ; The toain que " stiori being then put ; '"' y - ' ; in :. ;
; Hdsie ! moved as an ^ amehdriieht / '" ., That . the Bajoii'delRbthsohild'havmg presented himself at the table " ; ' and'haVihgreqiiested to belsworri on , the Old Testament ; declaring that form to , be most bind : ing on bis Conscience , the clerk be directed toswear him on the Old Testament ' accordirigly . " ' "' j } , [¦ >; . y » ... S . ir . F . THESioERsai ( l , ^ thi 8 . was , a quasi judicial question arid suould'be -argued-calmly and ; dispassionately . . He thought Sir R . Jnglis ' s . original resolution , was objectionable . ; there was' lio necessity for a resolatiori in . affirmance of the practice of the house ; it was for the other party toshow that what was proposedcbuld be lawfully done : He ; recommended that the motion should be withdrawn , and Mr ; Hume ' s amendment discussed asa ' substantive
motion ,: ' . ItwasimpDssiWe , jff his opinion / to separatetbe two questions . When ^ a member came to thetahlo lobe ' sworn aU the oath ' s I were tendered to him'together ; The question , taking it as onej'did hot ; deperid upon the usage' of Parliament ^ but upon the law of the land ; and he ; contended thatj' according to existing statutes ; .. a ritember of that house could ' not be ' sworndri the Old Testament ' although that'foim ? was'biriaing'updn-his coriscience : ' ' He conceded that from tbeeaHiestperiodiri . our courts ofiustice'Jews had * Beeh ^ SO sworn ias ^ tnesses and jurymen Y hiti } there was' no' fprnf , prescribed by law . for siichtoaths ; ' which"judges had ^ beeri'in ' the babit of varying'to meet exigencies . Judges could ; not dispense - with , oaths ' - except ^ in ' cases '' provided by law ,-and t 6 preverir tho'defe at of jus ' - tice they miist take oaths in the ; form itiiist ' bindingon the party ' s- conscience . ' Btit thfe . was confined tojufidical baths , The question ' riowrelated DOt
to pvidical but W promissory' oaths ;• anu he proposed' tO ; show that all these three' particular oaths were required by acts of Pariiameiitto be ' taken-in the Christian form . - He- ' then passed iri historical review the laws passed-on the subject of Parliamentary oaths since the . Sth of Elizabeth / the first acfc'requirhiganoath'tb . bctakeri . by a iuerilber of parliament ,- and contended tbat' the ¦ new oaths' pf allegiance ; and sup ' remaBy prescribed by the ^ lst of William arid Mary were , 'b y the construction pfthat act , required to'be taken on ' the Holy Evangelists . He denied tbe dbetririe of Mr . ' Wood ; tliat Jews were admissible to ParUameut between' the 1 st and 13 th of William III . The ' act pf . the'lSth arid 14 th of that'Kingintroduced ' the ' oath of abjuration ; containing' the words ; "On ' the ^ ' truo ' faitir Hf ' ti Christian ;' " arid from ' that time to the ist of George i . ' - there had b ' ee n rio ' substantial alteration iri ' thetorm of . the > ath ; s ' o that'by tbi ? ' statute law all ; three oaths mnst'he-taken * intheChristiahforiri : This
was the clear result of the Jst - . George Lj taken in conjunction with- the other statutes , and the con ? tem ] tyrdtifa ' *^ ktio ' confirmed this ' construction . , If so , ' rib authority short of' an act of the Legislature could change . the forrii . of a prbmissoVy oath , or oaih of office ; ; Great stress liad . been' laid upori . the act Tstfand 2 rid'Victoriai chhp .-lOSj hut'it , had'notth ' e bearing ' contended for ; it . was a ? declaratory act to affirm' the law as' it ho doubt'existed j ! ari ; d' an i affirmative sfetute , ' dccIa ' Tatbry ^' ¦ : ; 6 f '' thVlaw ; 'had'iip repealing operation on' thbcommoii . Jaw ' ; dr ; statute law . Bafbn 'de' RotlischiW ; ns a \ Jow'reould ' not take theVbatlTof abjuration as it stood ; the house hadnoauthbrity tb ' st rikeout the words , " on the true faith' of ^ ' 'Christian ; '' corisequently ^ it was
impossible that the oath could be administeredto the Baron . in the fofni he required . ' ' -The facts' that no one-had drenhit of this course of p ' rbceedirig until now , and that Lord- Ji Kiissell hadiritroducediin two sessions bills tolegalise the ' altei / atibh ; afforded a presumption against such ; ' a course , - which'mi g ht he attended With riiischievous if rioydarigefqus consequences , by leading to a ' co'lisiqn with . the . courts of law and the House of Lords . . , ' . ;' . ' ,, ' ! ; ' Lord J . RussELriconcurre'dwith ^^ Sir ^^ F . Tbesioer , that'this question oughtto . be treated as a strictly judicial . question . The electors of London having returned the'Baron de Rothschild to this house , it wasduri to . them , and to , the whole ; body . of electors of the ' united kiu'gddm ' . ' thatriotbinebuta positive
obsti-uction of . law should , induce the house to exclude him frorii his seat , and that , in ; thp absence of , any positive obstruction , they should afford him every facility ! ' .-. He believed ; that the ancient ; praor tice of the Legislature did ; not prescribe oaths to its members , arid , he doubted the policy of , such oatha , which , while Uiey entangled consciences , provided no security for right legislation . . . The Baron had offered to take the bath in an unusual . form , and there , was rib precedent , for . ' the reception or therefusalof isuch a form . ; Then hewent to usage iri . the courts of law , and . he . found , from the . liigh authority of ; Lord Hardwicke , citing Lord . iHale , that a Jew , sworn , on ' the , Hply Evangelists , might be indicted for . perjury , , the . Old Testament being
the eran ^ ttt « of . the Jew ,, . inere ,, were , iwo circumstances material to .. IhiSj . question—first ,, if the lst . George I . repealed . the acts requiring the , oathof allegiance arid . supvemaoy . to be taken ., on tho Holy Evangelists , there was . no act iri existence binuing the house ., to . admipister , these oaths . on the . : New Testament r secondlyj , / rorii . the 1 st tothe I 3 th ; ot Williarii ' III . ; there existed ;; no oath directly , excluding Jews from t , he ; Legislature .., Sir . F . Thesiger had argued that these oaths had always ( been takeri'in the Christian form ,, and that it was , soiby positive statute ; but he had failed , to make this oiit , ; all that hehad shown . was that it had been the custom so to take them , ; .. but unless some . statuta could he DOinteS otit he did not . think the housa should . insisf , upori , a , form . which pxoluded'a gen ^ tleman duly elected . ' . ' . The question : ; was ,, whether
the ' . house , should allowr . the . Baron . to . saywhat oaths " , he was-ready to . take . with ^ respectto ' . the words ' , ' on the , tru ? faith . of , a Christian , '' . in . the oaths ; of ' abjuration . Soirie ^ said . they ; were , not of theessence of the oath . ; butbedidnot , think it was i . n the power of the . House to . dispense , with the , words , and he should , be compelled i to ,, yote . agaihst omitt ' mg them . Although he wasin favour of . the admission of = Jews into that ; house and of abolishing this remnant of a persecuting spirit , ' if the ; Baron could riot take his seat as . the oath ; stood . at present „ ho opinion , in ; favour ; of the -Barotfs claim should , he thought , induce the House to takea step which might he attended wth aenoua ? vila . i If perfectly convinced that he was . right , ; he should not 'fear anyconsequ . eiice of a collision with the courU of law ; but % not acting according to law , the ime would rj 6 reaUy exercising a d ispensing
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P ° w r . Be W , 6 f opinionithat ' i Baron de RothsiW , % nWlhe , ; aUowed : to . be ' swo rn on theOJd Testament / hut . h ' ewasriotlwillirigto alter the terms Ofthe oath of abjuration without ^ the authority pj *! j , act . bf , parliament .., V T ! r ., . !' :... ,. ' . ' . ' . Sir R ; Ijroi . 18 ^^ ackho ' wledged , ilie moral courage and . pruden ce , pfthe sp . eeoh . of tHo noble lord . As J £ ! B , #° , . When . he took the . oaths , " must hold ail * 4 T . JiVn 1 . s . hand , ; noadviintagec ' ouldbegained by permitting hrm ' . tojcouie'i ^ the Ul ) ie ; when ; he was prepared , to take only-two : " " : ' , ¦"• ' - . ;;„' .., Vi ;^* ^^ P' ^ ock . ' j ^ nthe motion of Sir . G . GRUI , tne aeDate ' . was adjourned until ' five o ' clock , when the house a « i nm » f . ' V ' - .. '
,. . % i 1 ^ i % B . C 6 in > ANr ; - Mri ,, n . Brown said ,. i" ? . ^ , ! 1 . . present a petition from ; the' members of S- ' ^ W . ^ bailed the ' ' ? „ National Land Coni-PW ' . ' } h , which , were ,. charges affecting the cha-: F a ?^ vTs ° , v a fflember ; of the houseo He moved that it be read by the clerk ; at the table . ' ¦ .. ^ ftB *^" ' ? . jnq ' u . 'red . if theihon . , member had acquainted the hon . . member / to whom he had , referred that he wouldipresent . a petition cbutaining thosechavges ? . ; .. ; . ' ,. . .., . ' „ ,. , : ¦¦>' . !¦ •'¦¦ •" .. ^ v 'f- 0 'CoNNoR .- Oh , yes ! Ihave gota copy of «•¦ J ? > s . precisely similar to tbe petition which was presented at the coinmencement of the session : I have no objection to'its being read , if I am allowed jtpmakea . reply . „ ..... ,,. ¦ . ¦ ¦¦ .- . : '" ' . . '
, iMr . W . PAmN . suggestedthatj . as it :. was a copy ^ . V ; P ^\ on which had been ' already under the notice < jf ... the ^ loiise , ' therei was nonnecessity for reading iK' " .. ;• ' . ,,.: , .- '¦ . " : . _ r ' ,.- *; - . ; - . - . > . v .-, ' . ;¦¦ ! Mr . Brow m ' . —It is not a copy of the petition referred , to .: " :: ; ,.,., . ... -,, ¦ ' "Mv ; F . O'Crissorif—I say it is precisely thesame : Mr .. BnowN . —It isnota copy of . a / petition presented on any . formor ; occa ' si 6 n , ; , but ' I ' lmye already given ; tbo-hon . member a copy of it . ' " ; ' ; '" " . MrjP ? 0 C 6 N ^ oR . i--It > ' word for word . ' < . , 'J ° ; cl « k'th . eii pyoceeded . . to . read . tbD ' petilioii , which gave a detailed account ofthe origin of the Nationa ] Larid Cp ' m ' pnny . and of the settlement at Sl ? ig ; s End , ' aiidjprayed inquiry . ' into all the circumstances . of tho case . ' ' ¦ " . ¦ ' . ' " " . " - ¦ " •¦
'" 'Mr . j'H ; ' BriowN . ' gaye riotico thai to-morrow he wouldriiove that , the petition he printed with ' the votes ; , "' . " "'' Y ' ' , ' ""' , ' " ; ;; . '"' '' ' ' - ' . ' ¦ - Mr . ' 'P / 0 'C 6 NN 6 Rrepeated ' tha t '' the petition presented by the honourable member for . 'Tewkesbury ivaethe same asthe . ' petitiori on which ' ho had pveyibusly made s 6 mo observations . These petitioners whp ' complained so loudly had . had as-much as . £ 50 aidmbney allowedtheni ; arid . they had ri ' dyer . Mid a'farthing of rent ' . ' . Yet these were the ' , parties ' ' who , thought ' : fittoabuse'himV ' ' ; '¦ ' \ ' . " . ! , ' .- [ '¦ ' ' Admission " . op ; JE ^ s . ^ The . debat 6 ^ aere . su ' med , by Mri' Anstey , '; who replied' ^ oV ' . Sir .-P ... Tbesiger , arid stronglyuondemnedtEe ' proceedirigs of . Loid' John Russell : ' - '; , ¦ 'J " , ""/ . ' ,, ' . , ; '' . " . ;¦ . '" . " ' . " i 'J " . 'i ' , ' , V , ' ! ' '' '"' ' "' ' ' ' Mr . ' WoOD / ihsflrrfl / l ' fh ' nfrhia irhnn .. o 7 "li' ^ LUL-i :- ' ¦ '
that all oathsshould be administere'd jn tho mariner m ' ost binding . . otithe conscience , had ' . ' . riottbceri cbhti ; 6 Terted , ; and . ; ho ' cpnteri ' ded that ' this : rule applied W , ^ . ^ P % ^ . M ysll : as . tb '" : iurMibiai : oft ^ ™ . ' wfflPAWf . ' i , he . ' act ; first ' and' second 'Victoria ; destroy . ed ; att . the arguriient ' of Sir P .- Thesiger upon this point ' , since ' . it ' . iricluded , ' " all . cases , Viarid ex' P , 6 S 8 ly-inenti 6 ried "ion appointment " to any office of employment . "; :, The . { hu-tieth ' of . Charles II . made riu ' jtoentten / pf . thjB-HoIy . Evangelists , ' ah ' d , th ' o-firstdf Yrilliam ; arid' Mary . abrogated the oaths ' fequifed ! > y the acts . pfEliz'iibetli ; arid , James . ' . ' , He . purposely avoided the question . respectiri g , the , oath of abjriratiori : - tJ \ - ' ¦ ¦' . - " - ' ¦ * " ¦• . r , --. •' . , i . ;'" i ¦ - '
• " Mr . 'SrWqRTLEt . shpuld rote ag airist the ! a ' m ' eridw ^ B ^' groariA' that ; liccofdiri g ' to , ' the practice of Farhamentand'tiie'information contaiued in the journals ,, allthe . phth ' s ] should , 'be . combinedra ' s ' it must- 'be ; , iriferred ^ frdm . ' . what had < b ' oeiv stated by Bare nde Bothschird'that ^ tian persuasion , 'there' ^ as ' ja j riianifest ^^ ' abBUruity in allowing'hi . m ; to t ' ake . tWo pF ; . th' 6 , oatHs ; wheri ' it was known that at , the next' step the dbof must bo ' shut upon him . ; , ;' .. ' . ' ¦ ' . " ; ' . '" ¦ \ ; ' ;;¦ ;; .. " " ¦ ;¦ ,. . ^^^ l ? ' ? , ^^ ' 1 1 haviiigbeeii , by ' consent ^ negatived , ' , a ' , division took' , plaee upon' Mrl Hume s ameiidment , . ' which , was carried ! by ' 113 agairist' 59 . ';; - ' v . ;' . ';; : '' ' ' ¦ " . ; . V ; ' -. ' , "' . ' :. ' . " . ; ' ; :. ¦; ' * It ; bemg ; tlien ; tob . 'late . to administer th ' o . oa . ths the matter rstoo . d' . ov > rr nhtil ; . TueBday . at' twelve O ' clock : " ' ' . '• '' " " ' ¦ "' '' . " . ' ' , : . ' •' . '" . ! "' ¦ ' . " '
. ; ' The Mercaniilr ; Marine ' . Bill was then - ' read a third time , ' a ' nii , ' with further amendments passed . ' ; Trii . Prince op WAiiSi—MosE Extravaoancr—Thehpusetheh' resolved itself into a . committee to consider / -the . ; Owen ' s . Mess age " withyoferenceto the "appropriation , ' of Marllioroueh House -to the Prihceof Wales , " . ' , . ? .. " : '" .. ; ,.. •¦' . . ? -, ' '' , " , ; The'C HAiRMANput ; the ;; quesiion ^ resolution : ^ , Thfit her Majestyrhe ^ enabled'to Hpj propriate Marlborough' House as „ the \ residence for his , . Boyal ' . Higbness ^ Albert vEdyravd ,,,, Prince of ; Wales ;;; durin g tbe | joirit lives o ' ^ herlMajesty anil his ^ oy 3 ^ Mshn . eBS , ' ancl'tp . provide a cbaoh ' -hous ' e find stablefl ' out of , tho . larid . revrbriues of the ' ; Qro wri . ^ ¦ ! f "' . 1 Mr . TaEtAWNET , wishecLto ' . Rriow ^ befora assentiri ' g W thXreBblutlon , vjhy . ' tbe . nobWlofd ' had refused to
grant ' eertairi returns , which '; , had been ,-moved "' f < jr with respect to the Huch y ofCornwallj ? . , , , . ''Lorid J . RDSSELi , replied thatthere ,. were ; certain returns which were by ; act" 6 f . Parliament directed to ; be'laid . befpre ' i the . hbuse , with respect to ; the ; Diichy-of Cornwall , and . these . retufn ' s ' were , always ' punctuallygiyeji ' . ' . . With foapectitO the roturiisto which the honrgehtlenmn referred , . he had to say that . thehouse ; haying in the . early part of'the ses' sionriegatived the hon . gentleman ' s ' motion , ' that Parliament should " assume ; a ,. control over the revijriuesof the 'Duchy o f , CQrn \ vall ,. ho ,. did not think ; it necessary to grant the return ' s ; which had been asked foiy '; ( Hear , Hear . )/ ,. ' ., ' - .., ;' ¦ ,, ; . | , -::: ; ' 'Mf . rTniLAwjvysaidafew words in reply , which were ; inaudiblei' ;' ; ' . ' '" ' . ' i '' , " , '' .: " -, ' . < : ' ' . ¦ / . - ^
, ' Mr . Hume ; said ; it . appeared to him that the resolution , they , ' were ho pyematuve ., 'iEpnsid ; eriri g that . tbe . Prince of jWales wds only , nine . years , . pfjage . ' ; , ( Ifear , hear . ) It would . teVrcdollected , th ? . t ; a misuriderstanding . took place beforewlthfeference tb ^ Ia ' rlbo ' rough 'House , when it was ^ oted ' to the late . 'Queen . Dowager . It was generally understood that ' her . Majesty -wasto keep it . in ' order herself ,, but it turned out that the househa'd resolvcd . that'it ' should : be ; kept ' iri repair at theexp 6 risq bftlieriatibrj , a ^ biltfor £ 44 , 000 was accbrdih ^ seht'iri'forVepairing . it , and ; we had hadto . keep ) i ^ in , r epair ,. eyer . siri ^^^ ^^ hear /) TTfl At A nhf C £ tO > Ii ' A ' ll ' oa Vk-P nnntiAnviniinn' Ttf nolnnvniKyh uftu uiivi ytujfu ! VU 1 lutailie iuai ( U Vi
aav ** vw uyv uuv . , vug House to the ' . PrmcQ ; of \ xa \ esso niany years before itywouId . be . wahtefi ^ hTO - , ' ' ; Lolrd J . ^^ RussEtrijsaidilhe ^ ad ^ mentioned the proposalto jseverar . 'h pi ] , ' , ! ' members ; b ^ forward , ' arid heliad never ; heard any ' objection to it tillriow ; ^ is . h ^ on . frierid . didnot seen ) to remember whathe / had ^ f . prm . e ' rly ¦ . stated . ' , to the . house . . - What he had ' sta'ted .. was , ' that . Jdaflborough . House being ' Crown '; prbper { y ; th ; e , Queen , had { been graciously pleased , to ; airect" that ; the pictures of the , Vernon Gallery ^ whioh ' . weVe then " in .. the . National . Gallery , hilt iriaplabe ' wer ? it . w ^ scomplajned . they were not weltseein , should boreinpyed . toMa ' rlbprough House in order that the . public might haye , ; an opportunity
of . seeing them .. ' , ' ., He thpught that , that : should-not . be'Tprgotten ^ iri ^ cpririexionr with ; this . question . ( Hoaivhirii . ) ' Ifc , Vcertainly , did appear to her Majesty ' . s ' . goyerrifflent . that noivVwould , be a proper timetb adyise her Majesty . ' sVto rask-iParliament-to " m ; ake . a .. settlemerit ; w , ith ; : respe ' ct ,-to the , Prince of Wales ! . ' residence , in Marlborough House . ' They did not ' , thiiik . it \ desirable ;' . Vthat . , iMaflborQugh ; House s . iiould . t ) e . " occupied with , pictures , or with any other triinig , - until it could b " ? ejH"d ' th « nt \ it ; hadibeon so ^ Iong occupied in ^ lj ai-vraythat it " . wouldtbe : ' wrong ,: without eyef ., haying " mentioned ., t ^ o : matter ; befoi'e .-to g ivolt ^ td ^ theTrj irice of . Wales ,, j | ( Hear , ' hear . ) , iThe goyernrnent ' thoughtrit better ,-instead , of'leaving robrii for ah objection of that ^ kind , ' to : advise' her Majesty , to . send a , , Me . ssage \ tp . rP . arliament " on ) the
subject nqw . „ { . Hear , hear . ) . . . ue repeated that he hadnot heard , any ' obje ' ctiQn . to it , before , and he couldhardly have proposed it .- ' .-latew in the -. session than ' the , present ' time ; ' ( He ^ ar , i lCflV , ) ,, ' ' : •' , x .: v . ., Mr . Hume reriiiride ' d thenqble lord that he had objected to the reinbval , of , the Ternon pictures to Marlboroug h' House . ( What he wanted-was that the Government should remove , the Royal . Academy in order , to make . room . for that : addition to ! tbe national -cbllecUon . l , They > would then have only bneestiiblishmeritinstead oftwo . ( Hear ; hear . ) In order totaliei tho sense of tho ; committee on th © matter . he wotild move that the Chairman report progress , , „ ,. ;' , ; ,:, „ ,., .,, ; ... ,.. ; ,, , . ' . . -j : ' i . . . !^ .: . Mr . Spooner thought that he had heard the ' word " stables ' ' -iri the resolution . ,-He wished , to . know
why stables w . ere ^ tobe'p . ro . vided , ? , ;; ¦ ' . - / l \ •¦ '' .: . Lord . SETJipuR said ,, hejcpuld explain .. that point . A-, good many years-ago ,, when the act was passed for thei . ereotiph of . Carlton ? terrace , it ] 'was intended that the terrace should b , e ; oai'ried somewhat further than it actually , was parried . inhere were stables iri _ cprinexiori , with Carlton House , ; andlas the house was , aware , these were given upjto the . late'Queen Dowager , arid the ; Riding HouseiWas devoted to the Records . There was nowiia ' n ? opportunity | of getting the Byeeords removed , ! and ho , ( Lord Seyi monr ) thoughtthat . this : wpuldpea good opportunity of getting ridj . pf-the . staW . es j also . '^ Boihad asked / what . wastheivalueofthepropertyitothe land revenues of thoCrowh ; aiid ^ he had , been trial that it was worthfrom £ 16 ) 000 to . £ 20 , 000 ..-: It : had
appeared to ; him ,, therefore , ) desirable that ; they shou ) d remove those stables , and replace the stables formerly belonging ' to Marlborough House ,: 'but which , were , p . ufied . ; down . i ;/ Heai' . j sHe believed that the > land revenues . would ; be benefited about £ 800 riryear by . ' thojextonsion . of Carlton-terrarie . ' ; ' Mr . UuMB ' . dunied jthat Marlborough House > belonged . tothe Cifowri , ; , it belonged to the . nation . ' ( Hear ; hear . ) - It . vf a ^ originallybuilt for tho Duke of . Marlborough , and & afterwards reverted to tho nation aa . national property , n The i question might ari 8 e ,. whcther . they had nptbettor s , ell it rather . than incumber themselves withrep many palaces , f ; :. ; i # Briidni did noV think tho noble lord had given sufficient reasons for inducing the house to agree to the vote , If it wore a proper thing that
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the house , should give Mar ' Ibordugh House to the Prince . of Wales , they would mbstlikel y do it nine years hence as well as now . ' 'There was ; no necessity , that he , rsawjrtO'determine this ' guestib ' n tpnight . ; n ;'; : l , - ; : ^ .. 'J'r , > i * ' ^ '¦ ' ; "'' : ''i , ' , ' ; ' . ( " . ' . ' 1 ' ; The CHANCELtoR ofthe ExoiiBquER said it might be supposed that . the housed was incuffirigagreat expense . by this vote , butthe fact was that . ' . the arr rangement proposed was most advant ' a ' geous ^ to . the Rublio .,. t , " . . Oh , dear ! - ' from ColonelSibtborp ,. ' arid laughteK ) ,- - ¦ .:: > - ¦ ' ! ..-. ¦¦ ' ¦ ¦ >> ¦¦' ¦' . Mr , Henlbv could see no reason why tho house was tbi hamper itself and the Crown' with ; what was to , happen nine years hence ; ( Hear . ) ' ' If was possible .- that-the Trinco . might hot be alive nine years hence . How could oho that there
any say might not be changes of . opinion before that time as to , what it might be desirablo to do with Mavlborongh . House rand St . James ' s -Palace ? IOlie ' house settled Maylboroughllouso upon the Prince they . might , have Jo buy him outif . any great " national improyemont were to bo carried outf It would then besaidthat the house , would bo bound to find him anbther . residerico ' . ; If they Wanted to pull down the' stables , ' thai could not . be done without ah act . of . ' parliament . '; " The noble . lord ' s ' argumerit ' , ; that if Mai-lboi'pugh . House , were ; tenanted by tho pictures ppmplaints would be made nine , years hence if they ; wore removed , was not worthy , of , a reply . ' ( Hearhear . ) '' . ' . ; '
. , ,. , Mr : Trkla ' wnv believed that , if-the returns he had asked for . were . granted , - it would ; appear . that so large a feve'riue lriiglit he produced from ;; the duchyof . Cornwall that it would be unnecessary to ask the ^ house . to voio \ any , establishment for . the Prince o ! Wales ; " " ' " ' ' , ¦ '• ¦ '" , " ., Alderman Sidney . —If the noble . lord ( J ' . Russell ) forced the house to divide , he would plarie hori . menihers' in a most unpleasant position . ; ' ( Hear , hear . ) . It cert . iinly . did appear to be wholly premature for the hori ' so to bo , discussing the question of a
residence for a ybtith , of nine years of age . The Prince might'dislikpthe'house as a residence when , he- became eighteen ' . ' , . The present vote , following as . it did a recerit ' vote of thathouso ; with rogaril to another ' - iheiriber of the . royal-family , - -which " ' was regarded as " a piece of great , extravagance " out of doo rs-r ( cheers)—niight lead the public to infer that the house had nothing to do with their surplus revenue but to find palaces , for the royal family . ' " He trusted thatthe jvobielovd woulu consent to . postpone the resolution . ... :.. ¦ ' The eommittee . divided ., The numbers were : —
For tho resolution ... .... ... 68 ' " , / Againstit ' ... ..... ; . ; . „ , „ . 40 ^ -22 ' . The resolution was ; then agreed to , and the house resumed .. / " ; ' . ' . '" i .. '¦ . ' „; . . ' ¦' : ¦ - / ,:-. - :. ' . ' ,. ' . ; '' ;'' A iriotibn , by . Colonel Siain ' onr , for an address to i . he . 'Ci pwri . to . 'directthe A ' ttprnoy-General to , sanctjo ; ri ' ari \ 'info ' rrii ' atibri : for an injunction restricting the erection of buildings . 'in Hyde ' Park , was negatived : ' ' ' . - , '" , " . ' ' ... ; , "' ¦; . ¦ ¦;; , - -: ' ' . , ' ¦" ; : 'The h ' oriso ' then went into Coriimi . ttee , of . Suppl y npon . tho Navy , Estimates ,, and : afterwards jupon the 'C p ' m'ftissariat ; . Estimaie ' s , and . ' Civil Contingencies , Wheri ' yariOus votes ' were agreed to , - ¦ : ¦ ' : . ' . , ¦ -The CHAiRMANreported progress ; to sit againoii Thursday ; : ;; . . "; ' ; . " :..:: , ] ' . ¦ . . „ .,, ; . ;/ . ' .. ;; : ' } Certain bills Were advanced a . stage . ¦ . . (' - , ' ' . " " ' i ; The Fees . ( Court op Chancery ) Bill , ' arid the . . CoLLEciioN ' of Fines ( Ibeund ) Bill , wera withdrawn . '"'"' . '""'' . "'¦ . ' : '" .. " . ; . t . -. .. ' .. ;'
''''' The remaining business having been disposed of , the house adjourned at a quarter to two o ' clock .
;; , " : ' =- . (! . . " TDESDA : ! , July 30 : ' ; , HQUS ? 0 P ' , ' t 6 RD ^ , ' -The house sat an hour , anil ' . disposed '' of | : some .-. iputine business . Their lordships . . unanimously ' assented to the ! address granting Marlborough House to .: the Prince of Wales . ; :. ; ' ~' . ' .-. ¦' ...: " .. - ¦ . , - ¦ - . . .- ¦ , HOUSEOF . GOMMOSS .-Sir . Il ., PBEL wiw'hi-. troduced'hy .-MK' ^ afdwell and . Mf . Goulburri , and took the paths arid , his . seat , as member for Tam' o . i'th ' ,, i ^ ; tfie , rp < rih of his . late ; father . The hon . memberips ^ warrnly ^^ welcomed by . severalmembei'S bri the . , ' Cpns ervative sidepf the house . . ' ' . ; ; . ;' A \ p ' Missipji of Jews to Parlumesi . —The Speaker having ' calied upon ; .-iny other member . desiring to bo sw |} r ^ t 6 '( Sbme . ' . to'thq tahleV ^ -: ' - ' ^ : " -- ¦ -
. ; -r . , .. ; ' ^ . th ' e ; Barori ; Rb . thsch ' ild entered , arid , supported on ' the prip / Bi ^ e ^ b y . ilivWr . P . Wop ^ i and . by Mr ., J . A ; Smith oh ; the other , . advanced to the table : ririiidst the roost epthusiastib cheering : from the ; members , bri ; the . Liberalberiches ... .., , ; , ' * ' ,. ; ( - ' , ::- ' [' . . ¦ ¦" ' ' ;| liprdl X' ItussBLii suggested . that " the resolution of the , " house ]' allowing the hbrii mDmber-. to . be sworn on'the ' Old Testament , should bo commuaicated to ' i ' . -, ! nj : ! , - ¦; , i i ' .- •¦¦ v .-- -.-. ' - ¦ - . '¦¦ - , htm ^ ,, ,. - , ¦; . . ,.,, .. , . . '•; ... : . ¦ . . - " ' , ; : ¦¦ ' -. ' A . ' copy o f the Old Testament having ) been . pro-, ' cured ;' , ;; . ;;' . ; ' ; ''" . ' !' ,. ' . ; '' '„; . ' ... ; . .- . ,, •¦ '¦; ' ,,
;'; The . Speaker ' , .. addressingthe baron , said t Bavph Lionel dellothBchiid ' , lhave ' to ; inform you that the house has ; .. cpihpJ . toX ^ he ^ VfbUowinglTCBolntion :: ^ - " , ' V : Tha ^ Bavnn . h | bnel ' Nallhari de Rothschild ) brie / of ' th ' e ' . memDer & for . ' the ; City , of ipndbn ,, having , pre' Berijt ' ed'him ' self at ' tho table of the houso ,. and haying , ' eyiously . ^ sworri on ; the ' Old Testament ( being the form which lie has * declared at the tablp . to he inpst binding on his conscience ) ,, the . Olei'k be directed to swear him ' , on , the , Old . Testament accordingly . " , The horii member , having taken the hook in his hand , , the clerk-. i-bad to him , sentence by sentence , ; fclie' 6 a ' tli "' of nliegiaiiee , which the baron , repeated ' after ; biriiin a clear arid distinct manner , and at the cpfl'diiision took'the oath according to the Jewish form , ' , viz ., ' : by covering his bead and . kissing , the book ' . ' The ' same . 'form . was gone through with the ' oathbfsupremacy . - ¦'¦¦' " •' •¦¦ ¦ ¦•¦; :
The oath of abjuration was also tendered , and the baron'lolloped the ' clerk , repeating the : words after him ' urilil'ho reached the words '" Upon the true faith of a Christian . " ; The baron then paused , and after- ' a ! second . or two ' said , "I omit these words , as ; hot'biriding upon'my conscience . " He then placed his " hat ) upon his head , kissed'the Old Testament , and ; adp ! od ; " So help mej' Goil . " . ! c The' act -of . swearing 5 in tliis way . J accompanied with : thisrexpla nation , elicited loud' and repeated bursts of cheering from the Liberal party : ' —The barontheni took the pen , and was proceeding to sign the parliameritary roll , ' wlien"he was interrupted by loud cries of ' ¦ ' - withdraw" from the Opposition , answered by equally loud cries of " no , no . " from the Liberal benches ; " : ¦ ¦ ¦ ' " ¦ '¦' ¦ "
<; The Speaker ;— -The bon . member = must : withdraw . ( Renewed cries of " no -nb , " ' and " seat , s ' eatiY fronvthesame ' quarter , ' followed by cries of 1 ' order" and « ! chair' * 'from the Opposition . ) ; , 1 mthe midst of the' excitement , Mr . Hume and Sir F . THEs ' iflBR rose together ; butthe latter hon . member , havirig-caught'the Speaker ' s eye , was called upon . : Loud ; cries of "Hume , " "Humbj " however , .-again brought that hon ; -member-upon-his legs , and , after the lapse of some moments , Sir F . Thesiger still remaining standing , and the calls for eaclrhbn . member continuing , ; ' " : Mr . Hums obtained a partial hearing , by saying , Irise , sir , to - order —( hear , - ¦ 'hear)—and in this way : —As I understand , sir ; you have directed the
hon . member for the City of London to retire . ( Hear . ) 'That hon , member has taken the necessary oaths ' at the table ., ' ('' No , ' no , ' . ' " , " and cheers . " ) Yes , Isnyhe has takentho oaths at tho table . ( Cries of " no , " " yes ; " and considerable interuptiori . ) Ho has taken the ' oaths on the table . ( More interruption . ) If hon . members will only hear out my sentence * they willfind'there is no occasion , to interrupt me ; ( Hear ; hear , ) ' I-say the hon . member has taken the oaths in that fprrii and in those words which' are most binding upon his conscience ; ( Loud cheers . ) The vote which the liouseLcnme to last night expressely stated that ho should be perrhitted to do so ; he having previously declared that ho was prepared to use such words , aud to take the oaths in that form , ' which would be most binding on his conscience . Hew , I hold the hon , member has done that ; and that in doing
it he has complied with the requisition of tho house . I object , therefore , to his being obliged to retire . ( Oheevsj'and cvies 6 f " ' chair , '' and " order ; " ) I will conclude by moving that the hon ; member for theCityof London do take his seat . ( Cheers . ) . The SpEAk ' ER-r-1 must remind the hon . member that ho rose to order . ( Cheers from the opposition . ) With regard to the hon . member for the ; City ot London ;* riVl understood him ' / hb'did riot repeat the three last words of the bath required by the act of parliament to' be taken' by . members' previous to taking their seats , andthat ho'objected to . do so . ( Hoar , hear . ) Therefore , I requested him to with draw * that'the housemightcome ' t ' o sombdecision iri : the caso . ' ( Cheers . ) - ; . ' ' '' ' ' " Sir PiTiiEsiGER then moved , without offering any arguments ' jnhat a newwrit should : issue ; -for the City ofLo ' ndbn ;' f •'• " • " ''' . ' ' ¦¦ Sir R ; In 8 us seconded the motion ' . '
Mr . Page Woon showed , 'from various ' statutes , thai the omissidnnr total refusal to ' takp the oath of abjuration'did nOt- vacate the ' member ' s ' seat' in parliament . ' ¦ Negatively ; therefore ' , no cause ; existed why a new writ should issue . -But " heproceeded . to' argue the case positively , that the oaths had that day'beori taken bythe member for London In such legal and sufficient form as to entitle him to take his Seat . " The omitted Words referred not to what-was sworn to ' , - hut what ' was sworri by ; they did pot declare the faith , but'bbrifirm , the adjuration'of the deponent . ' : Arid'the'deoisiori of the house that ' every member sh ' ohld' be sworri according ' 'tb the forrii " ni ' ost " binding pri his , ' conscience
governed thisolaise /' arid-wns ' srifficierifc to justify its omt 88 ioH .- ' -This bo ' nolusiori ' the " hbri ; ' momb ' er supported at much length ' , ' arguirig'tKatn contrary opinlbn irivolved the ; ' absiirdity of declaring the , ebjoctioh a Popish recusant convict : ' He also corrbbbratod his'argument by tho precedent sot in the admission of . 'Mr . ' Pease , of which tho technical proceedings had onl y been ascertained during tbe present session , the ' journals of the house for . thai year having-been ; destroyed wheri'the House , pi Commons was burnt ih 1834 : ' It wa » ribw / 'hbwoyer , proved that the terms of the abjuration oath wore altered throughout for the benefit of Mr . Pease , to ft mmh greater extent than was now re .
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quired , by Baron Rothschild , ' and . a . wider liberty was accorded to the Quaker than , was sought to ho phtaine < t ; b y ; the , Jew , After having admitted tho principle , and conceded the , point , that -a member though not a Christian might take the oaths , a narrow technicality , was now pleaded . as a " cause why their previous resolution should be non-effect . The hon . member concluded by moving an amendment declaring t . sat the seat for the City of London was full . ;* , .. .: '¦ ¦ :. ; . . " -.,. The ATxoRMvGESEm . adn . Htea the principle , and . declaredhisown wish , tbat ' . Baron Rothsctt Id and his brother religionistsimould he admissible to sit mthe legislature . . But judiciall y considerine a case which , turned altogether ; upon Points of law
he had most reluctantly ; come to the conclusion that the . oath of . abjuration could no t bo said to be taken , as the statute required tbat it should be taken , if those words , were omitted to which Baron Rothschild had objected . They formed a vital part of tho oath , and by leaving them but its whole teribr-. would be vitiated . The > act in which tho words were inserted ; was clearly an enactingstatute , definite , and precise in its terms , and not to he dispensed with upon inferential grounds . He reminded the house that in the case of Mr . Pease , on which 80 much [ stress was laid , great doubts - prevailed as to the coneotness ; of the course « tiopted ; insomuch that an act was -aubsequently introducoil and passed : for confirming' the resolution adopted by tho Commons . It might be
true that the abjuration oath was now useless , since it abjured Pretenders , who . were not now in existence ; but solong as the act remained on the statute-hook it must bo observed . The house might justly demand its repeal , but could not ; upon their single , authority , declare its inutility , or omit its observance . For the sake ofthe house itself , it was of the . utmost importance that one branch ofthe legislature should not usurp the powers exercised by all those in conjinction . He apprehended great danger from tho precedent they would set if they allowed tho words to be omitted . Tho strict interpretation ofthe act being once violated , there was no clauso or . section of the oaths ¦ which mi ght not , under tho sanction of that example , be hereafter altered or . retrenched .
, Mr .-. C . AmuY-: denounced the unfair treatment which Baron Rothschild had received'at the hands of the government . His case was prejudged without being , heard . Instead of listening to tbe arguments in his behalf , the Prime Minister had pronounced a ; prematuro opinion , and intended to summon a tyrant majority to support him iri his negative . The quakeis and Roman catholics were used very differently ;• but the'catholics numbered millions , while the Jews were but forty thousand . A legal discussion ensued , in which the lawyers differed very much from each other , and there was hair-splitting on the matter . Members not" learned in . the . law , "; thereupon requested more time to consider thO ; subjectand ' ' ¦ . ¦ '•'
| „ . Anirveguliir and , stormy discussion , as on previous occasions , ensued relative to the propriety of adjourning the . debate . ; Several ' motions to tbat effect were made , but successively withdrawn , and the house divided upon Mr . Wood ' s amendment' . - . ; AyOS . ... . ;¦ . . . ; . . .. ... , ; . . ; \\ q - Koes .:... :... ' .. ; . : ¦ .- ... . 221—104 Lord J . Russell observing upon "the delieacy of the question that was now , left for deeisiou , recommended the house to . , take an interval for reflection before pronouncing the seatnf the'Baron Rothschild absolutely-vacated . ; ' ¦ Sir P . Tbesioer consented to withdraw'his resolution . ^ ' ' . ; , ¦ . : ¦•• ¦¦ ' .
. Mr . V . Smith objected to that course . He wished to have . the resolution fairly put and negatived . . Lord J . Russeli , moved the adjournment of the debate to -Thursday . .-.., ¦ ' . Mr . / HirjiE and other memberg ' objected to allow the vote , touching . tho vacancy ' of the seat , and the issue of anew writ for London , to remain so long ia suspense . ¦ : . " > . •;¦• : . - : .- ¦• A warm controversy upon this point was closed by the . surrender , of Sir P . -Thesiger ' s'resolution , which was . put and negatived without a division . ; An understanding was'afterwards come to that the . government ; would propose a series of resolutions calculated to suit the existing phase of the question , and the house at twenty minutes past four , adjourned until half-past six . The house resumed at that hour .
> ., Tjjk Irish YhA ! iomsB . —The order for taking into , consideration the Lords' amendments to the Irish Parliamentary Voters Bill having been removed , : :.- ¦ .. ¦ ' ¦¦¦ r Lord J . Russell stated j according to the announcement ffhich he had previously made ; that he intended to askthat , house to . replace by £ 12 the 415 rating qualification , nvhioh the Peers had substituted for the £ 8 origiuatty inserted iti ^ ' the hffl . Their , lordships' omission of the second clause ( the joint- occup ' aucy . clause ) he 8 hould , nbt ; attempt to disturb ; . ; but he ' . would propose the restoration of the 18 th and two following Clauses , also-struck out in the . Upper , House , which made enjoyment of the franchise involuntary on the part of the ' elector .
Referring to the just announced result ofthe Mayo election-in proof of the rapid diminution of the county constituencies , the nohlo lord calculated , that a £ 15 qualification would place only eight per cent , of the adult male population on the polling list , which the £ 12 he proposed would increase to no more than tho moderate and requisite average of ten per cent .. iHe assigned ; however , far more importance to the provision bestowing the franchise I upon the voter without compelling him to prefer and establish his own claim ; i' '•' ¦ ' ; - '' ; Mr . Gaskell thought that a moderate measure of extension such as was offered in the bill sent down from the Lords , was just and politic ; but ; he objected to any step approaching the notion bf democratic reform .
- Mr . Presch . declined to accept the compromise suggested by the government . Sir . Moore strongly condemned . the . course pursued ; both by the government and the oppositien , on this question . W . hy . was it that the "Whigs , who had been playing at Tories for . three-years in Ireland ,. had become Whigs again ? ' ( A laugh . ) What was the reason that they found Saul once more among the prophets ? ( A laugh . ) He would ask gentlemen on that ( the Ministerial ) side of the house , why they had so suddenly awoke from their slumbers on those benches , and were again in arms for reform ? .. When he saw such things he could not help saying with BirCbristopher , iri the Critic , "The state some danger apprehends . " - ( Hear , and
a laugh , ) It was because the cruiser was in danger that the slave was to be armed in his defence . ( A . laugh . ) If he was wrong in these suspicions—( hear , hear , from Lord John Russell , and laughter )—whatever , might be the meaning of that cheer or sneer ofthe noble lord , he would tell hirii that if he pledged hirnself to the liberal Irish members in that housethat he would at the beginning of next session introduce another hill for the reform of ithe Irish franchise , at least as liberal as the one mutilated by the House of Lords , and that he would exert himself strenuously and sincerely , and jfe a bona fids spirit , to carry such a measure , he wolild not ' faii to command their voices in his favour . But if , ' as ha believed , he was evading this question , and trying
to settle it , he cared not whether through compromise or submission ; he ( Mr . Moore ) . ' would not lifta hand to fig ht'the paltry party-battle . in which he was engaged . To ftntlemen on . the . other ( the Opposition ) sidenf the house , he would say—/ 'You have re-opened the old ieu'ds which circumstances had contributed to allay ; you have begun the war again ; and I ask you to remember that it will be a war carried on between lis as of old ; it " will : bo a war between pur seed arid your seed . ( A laugh . ) You may bruise o \ iv head , but we will bruise , your heel . ( "Oh , ph !") You may declare waragainst us , and I believe a more impolitic , a more foolish , a more suicidal course thari that which you ^ have adopted was never perpetrated by , any party .
however reckless or unscrupulous , that th » world" has ' eVel ' ' seen . " { Ilo & r , hoar . ) An extension " ot th' 6 '' fi'ahchise ' was tho onlyprotection ngainst riiob law . A . large constituency' was strong enough to protect itself , but a small body of electors was easily subjected to the , intimidation of the . moo . ( Hoar , hear . ) A ' small number of electors—say a' thousand—scattered p ' ver ' a large county and isolated , from each other , might as well be placed in the midst of a pack of wolves as left in so unprotected a position . ( Hear , hoar . ) Two Xree holders who voted for him ^ were attacked in their houses during the ni g ht by a gangof . savages -. who cut ' oiFa portion bf eacli bf their ears as a punishment for havin g disobeyed the wishes of the mob ;
arid ho believed that every inhabitant ; of . that village who voted as these men did would all be treated ' in thbsairio nay . ( Hear , hear , ) . , The history orthe Irish franchise , was the history of their own primes and . ' follies ..,, So long .. as tho 40 s . freehblders . yielded slavish obedience to the wili of landlords \ no ' indignant , . cry was , heard against them . from the Tories ' ; hut whenever the cry of these' "hereditary bondmen ;" : -was raised , and they began to exercise their / right * as at tho memorable election for Clare , it was resolvedto destroy them ,, for no other reason than because they had proved they , were fit to exercise the privilege . » ColonelDri ' ssi , Colonel Rawdon , Mr .. CiKMBHi 8 , Mr . C . AssiEy , Mr . S . ; Crawxord , and Mr . Scuixy
having briefly spoken , ; ; :, : Mr . BRWHTs ' aid he feared , that the government had rieglectedthe Irish cori ' stituoricies too . long ,. ana not grappled with the diffiouity arising put of tbeir destructibri with , ,, su ffioicnt . firmnesa . ; - pe mu before them would , bo almost the sole , and a very ' shabby , resultof ' six months ; ' legislation ^ 11 * copld not reobncilethb ministerial defence <*™*™& ing iu the Common with ^•¦ Zffiff ^ JZ tho £ 15 amendment proposed m the Lords ; an 4 Son - now The / 8 ugg | teS " . . . commom . se . which ' Would'reduce the lrlsbeleotprateihy ^ from the-basis at first designed . It tboLbilhwas Saa nassed under government patronage by the fjlm n s hoy shoullhave stood manfuhy now £ their own measure . The hon . member then « - SSeJS TwSta dead look put upon legislation ! y
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Northern Star (1837-1852), Aug. 3, 1850, page 7, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns2_03081850/page/7/
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