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Jolt 6. 1850. The Northern Star . , 7
Jolt 6 . 1850 . THE NORTHERN STAR . , 7
Mb. O'Connor's Opponents. • Glasgow, Jun...
MB . O'CONNOR'S OPPONENTS . Glasgow , June 25 tb , 1850 . My bear Editob , —I have been directed "b y the Committee of the Glasgow Chartist * to transmit to you the enclosed report of a meeting , got np in Paisley , by the opponents of Mr . O ' Connor , on the VZ & t & t ., and which -wras attended by a number , of his friends Jrom Glasgow . "We -would like as much of this-report fnserted as you can ; but Ihave been imperatively instructed that the report is to be retumed to me when you liavedone with it , as they require it for another purpose , and had not time to take another copy . Meetings of a similar nature are to come , off next "Wednesday and Thursday'here , of which we will send you faithful reports . Mr . O'Connor ' s friends are not idle in preparing for those meetings .
By paying particular attention to this note , you will oblige the Chartists of Glasgow . Yours , Wm . Brown . Democratic Hall , 48 , Nelson-street , Glasgow .
PUBLIC MEETING AT PAISLEY . A bill appeared , oa the 15 th of June , announcing a meeting to be held on the 17 th of June , in the Exchange Rooms , which was headed , " Charges against Mr . O'Connor ; " stating , also , that Messrs . Cochrane , Adams , and Harley were going to prefer them , & c . The bill was signed " James Wilson . " On tbe night of meeting , after the committee , & c ., had taken their seats , it was proposed that Mr . James Wilson take the chair , which , being seconded , Mr . Axdskw Robertson moved as an amendment , —" That Mr . John Howie should preside , " and referred to his late conduct as chairman when Mr . O'Connor was in Paisley last , as being a guarantee for fair-play to all concerned . " The amendment being seconded , was put to the vote , and carried by a considerable majority . The Chaihmas read the hill calling the meeting .
Mr . Robertsos came foward and said : I rise to order , to put it to the meeting if they consider it fair that those three , whose names are on the bill , should take up the whole time of the meeting , -without affording an opportunity to reply to their statements ; and he proposed , — "That each speaker be allowed twenty minutes alternately , and that other friends from G lasgow be allowed to speak , as well as Adams , & e . " # The resolution was seconded , and , on . being put , was carried by a large majority . After the vote , it was contended pro . and eon .. for the bill arrangements , and the resolution . Amidst the confusion , there
Mr . Piskertos came forward and said , was a rule for peace , viz . — " As ye would that others should do unto yon , do ye even so unto them . " He then observed , tbat any party could call a legal meetine . That was a legal meeting , and he coniendedlbr the right ofthe programme being spoken to before any other individual be heard to the contrary ; and asked where they had ever seen such a course adopted I „ , , „ , , , , ( A person in the body of the hall shouted out , "Adams in Glasgow . " ) _ Mr . Coghhaxe then came forward and said , that independent ofthe resolution he would not be committed to time , and tbat he would remain firm to the uublished order of the proceedings , in defiance
of the motion to order . ( Shouts of " Cowardly , & s . " ) Mr . C . then proceeded to state , that it was with the greatest reluctance he came forward to defend himself against the charges preferred against him by "Mr . O'Connor , and also to prefer charges against Mr . O'Connor ; but as Mr . O'Connor had often said , "he never seeks the battle , nor shuns it when it comes , " he referred to his letter of challenge to Mr . O'Connor , and his getting no answer . ( The letter is published in the Glasgow Saturday Post , of 25 th May , 1850 , third edition . ( Considerable interruption , and shouts of " he came himself , & c :: " which led Mr . Cochrane to refer to his meeting him on the platform , and contending that the meeting was not agreeable to the terms of
his letter of challenge . ) He then proceeded to state , that when he left London all the people were in a state of enthusiasm about the 10 th of April proceedings , and that several districts continued to send their delegates to the National Assembly , till Mr . O'Connor ' s letter appeared in the Star , ofthe 22 nd April , 1 S 48 , composing an Assembly of more than forty-nise delegates . lie ( Mr . Cochrane ) then declared that he had been elected by five thousand people belonging to Paisley , as delegate to the Assembly , and that they were unanimous in sentiment against Mr . O'Connor ' s letter . He next spoke of Mr . O'Connor praising the Home-Secretary , in these words : —" . Than whom a more tender-hearted man breathes not . " He then animadverted oii Mr .
O'Connor ' s opinion of human nature , and denounced the policy of praising such a man ; and stated it was the expressed opinion of the Convention that it was wrong . Mr . Cochrane next adverted tq Mr . O'Connor ' s statement , that the Convention had cost him £ 150 of expenses . He referred to his being on the Finance Committee , and bis being willing to pay his share of the sum if it was true . Then he went into a statement to show that they were only £ 40 in debt instead of £ 1-50 , and that it was taken out of tbe funds raised to defend Mr . O'Connor ' s right to sit in Parliament . He next adverted to the printer having consulted lis solicitor , with a view to compelling tbe payment of £ 4 )) , due to him for
printing , when it was agreed that ead ^ fhee that bad sent a delegate to the Con ventiou * % tatW-raise £ 2 , and that £ 2 had been forwarded by him from Paisley . [ The statement referred to above is as follows : — "Didyou hear the d— fools , how they cheered me . " ] Here he commented on Mr . O'Connor's treachery in making public the sentiments of a private conversation . " ( Cries of " hear ; " "his time is up , " & c , which again created a little confusion . ) Mr . Cochrane , on order being restored , began to descant on the anxiety of tbe Convention to form a union with the Irish , and ^ stated , that a deputation , consisting of Messrs . Kydd and Leach , was sent over , and cordially received by them , but that Mr . O ' Connor ' s attack on Mr . Duffy's letter
stood as a barrier in the way ; bnt few words to suit a purpose were used . ( Cries of " read , read . " ) Mr . Cochrane attempted to speak again , and said they ought to have hailed them . ( Grids of" read . " ) The sentence was then read , which seemed , from the applause that followed , to give general satisfaction . ) He , ( Mr . Cochrane , ) went on to speak ofthe two reasons assigned by Mr . O ' Connor for desiring the delay of the National Assembly : —1 st . Its illegality . 2 nd . He ( Mr . O ' Connor ) wanted to see what would be the effect of the new infusion of members from amongst the middle and shopkeeping classes , before the holding ofthe Assembly —discoursed on Mr . O'Connor ' s ignorance on these two points—referred to the Scottish Convention in
Glasgow—the Parliamentary and Financial Reform Convention a few weeks since , and the Anti-Corn-Iaw League . He then referred to the strong language employed by Ernest Jones and others , when moving the petition for the liberation and restoration of Frost , "Williams , and Jones , as an evidence that the government was not going to interfere—repudiated the idea of waiting to see if tbe middle classes were likely to join , and closed on this point , by sneeriugly asking , what was the use of dissolving one Convention of forty-nine delegates merely to elect another Convention of fortypine delegates ! ( Laughter , cheers , and hisses . ) Be next referred to the numerous letters coming to the Assembly , some praising , and others
condemning the conduct of Mr . O Connor . Mr . v . ocnranenext alluded to . the fact , that they had sent to see if Mr . O'Connor was still of the same mind . The answer returned was , that be was determined to stand by his former declaration . The result of the difference between the sixty delegates who came ultimately to the Assembly , and the one hundred that were elected and expected , was attributed to Mr . O'Connor ' s letter . There was a letter read expressive of the mind of the delegates who did attend the Assembly , that they would not listen to any repudiation of Mr . O'Connor , but he ( Mr . Cochrane ) declared that there were individuals there who were prepared to speak against him . He ( Mr .
Cochrane ) said-nothing against him , but look at the charges he has brought against me as forming one Of the Assembly , viz : —That we -were the means of transporting Cuffay . Bowling , Lacey , Fay , and Ritchie . . He contended that the language used in the Assembly was milder than that used in the Convention . Look at the strong language of Mr . O'Connor , Frost , Williams , and Jones at the foot of the scaffold . [ At this stage of the business t ' ae gas went out , and there were netting but two candles on the platform , which created a little confusion , but the people , anxious that he should proceed , shouted out , " Go on in the dark . " ] He next referred to P . ll-Graih ' s proposition for raising £ ajm , to be under the direction of a committee , and the ultimate conclusion was come to , to be under
raise £ 10 , 000 , to the direction and disposal of twenty commissioners . Mr . Cochrane said , Feargus said we wanted to plunder tie people , but I wish I had him here . He then referred to the subject of cowardice , and said , if any one was a coward , Feargus O Connor was the man . He then went into the subject of England getting quit of Mr . O'Connor . ( Shouts of " Sit down , sir / ' " Pat Brewster , " & c , & c . ) oh i . fays Cochrane , Mr " Brewster scorned the very idea of meeting him . "We are blamed for having spent ramus weeks abusing Mr . O'Connor , and being a meeting 0 f conspiritors ; when the factls , that we only sat a fortnight altogether . He then referred to the sale of the Star , at the rate of 13 , 000 , and that Mr . O'Connor was wellpaidby the people , by such apurchase ;
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resumed a little criticism on the letters ofthe 22 nd of April and the eth . of May . At the close Mr . Cochrane wound up 'hy appeah ^ to ' every TOpiejudicM mind to say that Mr . O'Connor was not a fit person to be a leader of the democracy of this country . He then adverted' to tbe getting of Feargus out of the way , & c . ; : The gas was lighted by the time that Andrew Hablsy commenced ; he said he was coming to the point at once . ( Great confusion and expressions of dissatisfaction . ) The duty assigned to' him , was to make a statement of facts , and any one ; was at liberty to . cohtradict them who thought proper . He proceeded . to state , that after he went to London it was stated to him that Mr . O'Connor was the only one to blame for making tho statement in the House of Commons relative to the petition ; that he . was supposed to be a friend of Mr . O'Connor ' s before he left Glisgow for London as a delegate , and referred to the meetin ? in the Democratic Dallas evidence
of this fact . He stated that when he . was in London he was determined to get positive proof as to Mr . O'Connor ' s conduct ; the first opportunity occurred in the statement made by Cuffay , in the presence of Mr . M'Crae ( Dundee ) , Mr . Peacock . ( Greenock ) , and Mr . Grassby , and tire three gentlemen whose names are signed to the pamphlet of charges against Mr . O'Connor . He showed that . Cuffay was a most trustworthy person , from tbe character Mr . O'Connor gave him , and that Grassbv was the same , from the confidence put in him by the various tradesr"md insisted that nothing should be taken on bis word , but tbat they should depend on the reve lations of Mr . Grassby , concerning a private conversation about the petition , as to the manufacturing
names , & e ., embracing the whole letter of Grassby to Harley on the subject . He ( Mr . Ilarley ) then ' went on to state , that previous to Mr . O'Connor ' s coming to Glasgow the last time he wrote to Mr . Shirron , of Aberdeen , and got back an answer containing something more than was revealed by Mr . Grassby , viz ., the condemnation of Mr . O'Connor ' s letter of the 22 nd April , by the unanimous vote of the Assembly . He then adverted to some of the points in the letters—both Mr . O'Connor's and Shirron ' s—such as "Tom fool O'Connor spoiled the petition ; " " O'Connor ' s stamping his foot and swearing about the petition ; " and that Cuftay bad one advantage over O'Connor—viz ., " that , of being an honest man . " He then alluded to a
resolution , to the following effect— " That we are of opinion that Mr . O'Connor ' s conduct is calculated to inform the government of our weakness & c . j arid also to the statement about Gavan -Duffy ; to the expenses ; and showed that all that was granted for private purposes was £ 2 . ' . ' He then repeated the -words at the close of Shirron ' s letter , about being disgusted when told " that it was nothing new to O'Connor to be charged with so many lies and inconsistencies . " He then went'on to speak ofthe reporters being excluded , & c , and wound up this part by stating that in his estimation it was a pity that a fair opportunity had not been granted for hearing the letters of Shirron , Ac ., read .. He
( Mr . Harley ) then spoke of the Bennington Common meeting , and Mr . O'Connor ' s determination to march forward'till stopped , Ac . Mr . O'Connor ' s declaration In the house about stopping the pro cession ,. Ac . Mr . Harley then defied any one to prove that he attacked Mr . O ' Connor in the Assembly . On the contrary , he said that several persons had eulogised Mr . O ' Connor ; and then contended that be had the right to canvas the character of Mr . O'Connor , or any' other public man , who presumed to be a Leader / ( Considerable disapprobation prevailed throughout Mr . Harley ' s address , relieved occasionally by a little cheering , fee . )
Mr . James Adams came forward jo address the meeting , which was the signal for a renewal of great confusion : one man on the platform ( a friend to Adams and Company ) figured 80 prominently , that the Chairman declared repeatedly that he would put him out . Order being ultimately restored , Mr . Adams proceeded to state that he would give proof to the conviction of the people ' s minds concerning Mr . O'Connor ' s conduct . The first subject he entered on was the transportation of Cuffay . and others , and referred to thereply to that charge in the Star of December , 1843 ; Cuffay- and others led into rash measures by the conduct of the National Assembly , < tc . ( Shouts of " Weil done , Jamie . " and other expressions of contempt , and
great laughter . ) He ( Mr . Adams ) defied any one to prove that the . Scottish delegates had given any misstatement concerning the state of preparation ofthe Scotch people , anfi appealed to the statements of Ernest Jones , who -had taken a Scottish tour to see the state , & c . —He then referred to a resolution , confirming what he said , ( recorded in the Star ); and then stated that there was no resolution to confirm Mr . O'Connor ' s statement . He then went into the statement about Mr . O'Connor ' s dismissal from the Executive , O'Connor absent , and the rest said he would not stand , & c . —He then adverted to the Sennington Common Meeting , which'subject having been handled so much before , it brought out the expression of considerable
dissatisfaction on the part of the meeting . The disorder was greatly increased by a crash at one end of the building , as if part of it was giving way , Adams's party shouting out "The Chairman is responsible , " and the opposite party declaring that it was the Committee . Adams proceeded to state that there were three statements in connexion with the above meeting , which he wished to bring before the people : —1 st . The arrival of two policemen with special information , that if the people proceeded they would' be fired upon . 2 nd . Tho declaration in the House of Commons , and no person knowing it but Mr . O'Connor . 3 rd . The statement about the deputation to , and conversation with , Mr . O'Connor on Sunday . Mr .
Adams said , that the last time-Mr . O'Connor was m Paisley , he had told the people that he had passed , through marines , horse , foot , & c ,, & c . AdaaMtdeclwedbefifte high heaven that there was nothing . of the ^ S ^ Ha t ^ n-ferred to his speech , in vindication offte'Ciiir ^ r ^^ t ^^ nie ^ dfemonstration , and said , then 6 ie' $ ' s *& Ie &^ to get out was his declaration of 'igSo ^ nWofcthe parties he was acting with . He then referred to tha knowledge Mr . O'Connor had of the number of signatnres to the National Petition , on Thursday , and his professing that he did not know till Sunday , the 9 tb , how the petition was made up , till informed in his hotel . He . next directed attention to the June numter of the Democratic Revieiv , for some
statements of Harney's . He then referred to the Friday after the petition ^ about a circular that was handed round , calling a , private meeting , and the conclusion that he and Mr . Tattersal came to was , that it would be about the petition . He then referred to the weight ofthe petition , taking his data from a former opinion in connexion with Sherrington and the Land Scheme , which made the petition to contain within afow of the number mentioned in the House of Commons . They ought to have known something about the petition before they took their mission , & c . They were to go to tho country and tell the people that they had been imposed on by tbe House of Commons ; and he said that Mr . Clark called it a d _ d imposition . ( Shouts of " Why
did he not make the statement when at Paisley with Mr . E . Jones ? " ) The number made up by the district overturned his judgment in the matter . He then referred to the information he received from Mr . Cuffay and Mr . Grassby—stated that the committee in Glasgow was favourable to Mr . O'Connor—and that Mr . O'Connor said it was Mr . Adams that damaged the petition ,, as one ofthe conrnittee—but here Adams declared that he could swear by high Heaven he ' was not on the committee . He next stated that Mr . Cochrane was a member , and that he could give his eath that Adams was not on it . He next animadverted on Mr . O' Connor's declaration , that change of . circumstances never change his resolution . Mr . O'Connor declared every day that he would hold the procession ; so it seems he changes his resolutions when no alteration takes
place—all the circumstances were the same—they bad characters to protect as well as Mr . O'Connor . Mr . O'Connor taunts them ( the speakers , Cochrane , and Harley ) , about the proposed sum' to be raised by the people of £ 10 , 000—he ( Adams ) referred to his speech in the . Star , about the people not being able to give the proposed sum .. Mr . O'Connor may taunt , but a discerning public would see that they had no wishto plunder the people , and that their characters would' yet shine forth in resplendent glory . I have ( said Adams ) confounded Mr . O'Connor : and I now declare ,. by way of prophecy , that the day is not-far distant when every honest man will get his own , and every rogue his deservingshe next referred to the land scheme , about some broken promises ; in the midst of which there was another fearful crash at tbe end of the building , which created considerable alarm .
Mi * . Shebbixotox then commenced the vindication of Mr . O'Connor , & c . After , answering the substance of the long letter Adams read on the Land , he ( Mr . S . ) said he thought it would be a crying sin to meddle with poor Cochrane . . Then he went into the subject of the petition , to show that he had given them a data by . which to guide them in numbers by tbe weight of the Petition . Harley determined not to leave London until he got evidence respecting the conduct of Mr . O'Connor , and a-letter was sent to Glasgow , stating that they would have Mr . O'Connor overthrown in three days . ( Shouts of " Proof , proof . " ) Reference had
been made to J . Kecr and D . Paul . The reference to D . Paul was a mistake , as he was not on tho Assembly Committee . ( Cries of " Where is the letter ?") Mr . Sherrington acknowledged tho loiter to be in the hands of Mr . O'Connor . He then referred to the letter of Shirron to Harley , and stated that , as Shirron was dead , there was no evidence that it was his at all . ( Here Adams came forward to show the letter , which drew Mr . Sherrington ' s attention to him . ) Mr . Sherrington then said that Adams had said little against Mr . O'Connor , but in defence of himself . He then went on to show how . jt was possible for Cuffay and others to be victimised by the Assembly . - He then , in reference to the procession going on through the forces , vent
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on to show that there never , had been , such .. prepa-, rations made . ( Interruption , and Question :. ' ? Did Mr : O'Connor pass ; through the forces ?' - ' ) -. When Mr . Sherringtou . described about the sand-hags , and the windows taken' but in 'the lino ' of procession , and the loop-holes for the soldiers stationed within to fire through upon the people—which ' satisfied the people as to Mr . O'Connor ' s danger , and the ; judiciousness of not having the procession ; as first determined upon . HefMr . Sherrington ) then went on to say , that Adams' declaration , ' . ' By high heaven , " was not to be much minded , as he had questioned him respecting the petition when at Glasgow , between the meeting of the Convention'and the mcetinj ? of the Assembly , when he declared ; "So help
me God ! Mr . O'Connor was under the mark , and calculated the whole from the number that went from Glasgow" ( i . c , tho weight of the parcel that contained th e names , Ac ) . Ho then showed the meetin" how Adams took the liberty of changing at pleasure , but that there was no allowance for Mr . O'Connor to change . ¦ . ; - . Mr . Weir came forward , amidst great confusion , as the opposite party claimed tho . next half-hour . Mr . Weir commenced by saying , that the first line of their bill was false , viz ., Feargus O'Connor , Esq ., M . P ., not having accepted the twice repeated offer of Mr . > Robert Cochrane to meet him in discussion , & c . > He ( Mr . Weir ) observed that it was not
necessary , as Cochrane knew quite well that Mr . O'Connor was coming himself . . ( Cheering and considerate confusion . ) He ( Mr . Weir ) said that he looked upon this as a meeting got up to sow discord amongst tho democrats . He alluded to the reference Mr . O'Connor made to the Home Secretary ( Grey ) , and illustrated Mr . O'Connor ' s declaration , ' by a reference to himself in connexion with a church ; as being one of a party doing things that he would not do as an individual—dwelt on the fling at the Irish Confederates , and Mr . O'Connor ' s reply—and said that the conduct of Cochrane and Co ., as a party , was sufficient to d— n any movement .
Mr . Cabrick referred to Athens and her Socrates , as proofs that after generations 'do justice to the maligned and persecuted , ' whose characters have been blasphemed , and . gave a caution to those who were blaspheming the character of Mr . O'Connor . He pat in the plea of gratitude due to Mr . O'Corir nor on the part of the people , for his-vast services in their cause . Look ( said Mr . Carrick ) at'his former position—what he might have been if ho had sided with , our enemies , and when we-take these things into account , are we , at the bidding of a few upstarts , to throw Mr . O'Connor overboard / even admitting that he did ' not risk the slaughtering of the people by tho armed forces with which they would have had to contend ( Hear , hear / and cheers . ) Again , is it fair , that those whose business it , was to look after the National petition ,
should come forward and blame Mr , O'Connor for doing a thing that it was their place top ' revent hhri from doing ; it was their work to look after the petition ; it was for that th ' ey ' got the people's money . He next adverted to Mr . Cochrane s letter as evidence in the niatter , ' and showed the meeting that Harley and . Adams' were disposed io \ be factious , and . referred to their attacks oh Owen and Cobden as evidence . He next spoke to the subject of the £ 150 , and said that , if it could not be made up to such a sum , that ho ( Mr , O'Connor ) was out of pocket in consequence of the Assembly , arid called upon the people to look at the way his means had . been drawn oh for the purpose of supporting the Chartist , victims , a thing which the country ought to have done , and which it could hot be denied he did . They should be ashamed of their ungrateful conduct .
Mr .. Cochrane said he would leave the Land Scheme to Miv Adams . Alluding to Mr . O'Connor coming himself to give his slanderers an opportunity of meeting , him , he ( Mr . Cochrane ) contended that that was a meeting of his ( Mr \ O'Connor ' s ) friends , to . hear an address from him , and that out of 650 tickets , he had only got . fifty for his friends ; but the terms ofthe challenge was a meeting duly called & c—an out-door meeting , if you will / like Brewster . Mr . Weir _ charged him ( Mr . Cochrane ) with being actuated by impure motives . There was one charge he would plead guilty . to , that of being on the Petition Committee , but . James Adams was
not . . ( Shoutsof . '' He said so then . ' ) "Cochrane , well , if he said so , he told a lie . He stated that ho had been down at the Petition Committee two days , bnt there was no bno there but the friends of Mr . O'Connor , making up the Petition . Mr . Cochrane pleaded an excuse , that he could not attend to his duty to the Petition for doing his duty in . the Convention . He next stated that the Convention had resolved to go with the Petition in procession , arid that titey had sent a deputation to the ' Home-offic 6 to that effect , and that they were going unarmed , and asked , in closing , was it treating the Convention and country right to have the private resolve to stop the procession ?
Mr . Harley then came forward , and , in allusion to Shirron ' s letter , said , tbat although there were others in the habit of purloining letters , ho defied the parties with whom , ho was at , issue to prove that he or his party' were . Ho then referred to Grassby not being called in question as a witnesshe is a living witness . lie was nota member of the Convention but of the Assembly ; : Mr . " Clark had stated that the House of Commons was correct respecting the petition , and that . Mr . O'Connor knew it to be afalse statement he made about the petition . Mr . Adams next came forward , and said , that ap parently it was the design of Mr . O'Connor ' s friends to hide his faults ; he had no sympathy ' with those who would do so . He then went into the subject of
Mr . 0 Connor leaving the ranks of the aristocracy , & c , and said , he left them a poor man , and he was a poor man yet ; what had he but a few poor acres of land in Ireland ? ( Great disapprobation . ) 1 Mr . Cabrick came forward , and dwelt shortly ; On Mr . Cochrane at last becoming honest in acknowledging his personal neglect , and that it ought to teach him sympathy for others , seeing that he had conducted himself so . It was a pity that they allowed such a petition to go to Parliament , and those who did so were greatly to blame . " He next referred . to the . use Mr . O'Connor made of his meitt \ v ,: «** % , to his praise ; refcrredito his
aristocrati & Iconnexions , and his taking , up the cause of the wb ^ jhg classes .,, Cochrahe ' s excuse as member of the petition cawimttee was very lame . Ho then referred to the address , which had just been issued , and asked , who could take part with such factious individuals ? Cochrane wanted a leader . Who would they have—who could they put in the place of Mr . O'Connor ? Was it Hume or Cobden ? and called upon them not to bo drawn away from Mr . O'Connor , as not a single charge had been proved against him . Seeing tbat tho national petition had injured the people ' s cause , through the neglect of the people's delegates , let them alter this all attend to their duty .
Mr . Robertson then moved the following resolutions : —• " That the conduct of Robert Cochrane , in his factious opposition to all popular movements for the ohtaihment of the people's just righls , is trifling and vexatious , and deserving our utmost condemnation . " . " That the conduct of Messrs . Adams and Harley , in their , continued opposition to affect a union among all classes of reformers , do , in pur opinion , show a vindictiveness which ought to exclude them from the association of men . of principle , and render them unworthy of the name of citizen . "
Mr . Cochrane came forward , and said that the resolution was totally uncalled for ; surely he would not be condemned without a hearing ; ho was now forty years old , and had been a member of the Kenfrewshire Political Union ; he had taken apart in the Moral and Physical Power System , on the side of Moral Power : referred to the teaching of Dr . M'Douall and Stephens , and read a long bill as to the position he occupied in former days . The Chairman put it to tho vote , when it was
manifest that it was not a „ vote that was heartily entered into , from the very strong language in the resolution . But the chairman declared that the resolutions were carried by a small maiority , after which declaration the friends who took part against Cochrane went to look for a conveyance homo ; in their absence , however , for the sake of satisfying the people , he took the votes over again , when he declared upon his conscience that the resolutions were carried ; and the meeting broke up after two o ' clock in the morning . .
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Wbeck of tub Obion . —The divers are continuing their operations at the wreck with considerable success . Amongst the property recovered is the chest containing the silver plate belonging to the vessel . The value of the plate is upwards of £ 1 , 500 ; The body of Miss Morris , niece of Dr . Burns , was recovered on the 27 th ult . This makes , in all , thirty-seven bodies recovered , and at least twenty others are believed to have perished . Some still think many more . The sheriffs' authorities in Glasgow , in compliance with an order from Crown counsel in Edinburgh , were engaged last week in taking the evidence of masters and mates who were acquainted with the navigation of that coast , as to the course through the channel which the Orion should have steered under the circumstances ; and also as to the degree of responsibility 'attaching to
the respective officers of a ship during a watch , Confident expectations are still entertained that the wreck will be raised . An action has just been tried before the Tribunal of Commerce , in which an English gentleman , named James , was plaintiff against the Havre Railway Company . Tho action was to recover , the value of a trunk containing jewellery , and other articles of value belonging to his wife , estimated by him at l , 580 f ., which was lost during his journey from Havre to Paris . The company refused to pay more than loOf ., as their notice stated that jewellery and articles of value ought to have been entered as such , and paid for accordingly . The tribunal , however , decided otherwise , contending that the notice of the company did not apply to personal effects , and condemned the defendants to pay to Mr , James the sum of l . OOQf ,
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• :. * pr-v-i' . * ----.- -MONDAY , ' Jutr 1 . / ' " -- ' - " ---HOUSE' OF 'LORDS . —lBISH ' - ; PABLiAMENTABS Voters Biix '— . The house having gone' into committee on this bill ' . •• . '' ¦ ' . " . '" '""' ¦ ' « ¦•¦• • - ¦ -.. ••¦ '' . ¦ ' ! . The Earl of St . Germans ; after somo'discussion , withdrew his own motion ) ' for a £ 12 franchise , in favour , of '¦ - ' : ' : - " : " - ' '" ' " '"¦ " ¦ ' ¦ ; ' ¦ ' ¦ ¦ > ¦ ¦' ¦ ¦ : ¦ ' Earl Desabt ) who moved , as an amendment , thai the . minimum rating qualification , necessary"to confer the'franchise upon tenants , should bo increased fromi £ 8 to £ 15 . - ..., ; ...
The Marquis of Lansdowne opposed the ' amendment , enlarging upon the necessity which ' existed of placing the Irish electorate upon a real and suV stantial basis , and contended that the £ 8 rating was not too low , while the suggested enhancement of the . qualification would very much circumscribe the numbers- of the constituency . ' "' - ' "';''* : ! '"''• Lord Stanley conceded the propriety of creating an ehlarged . electorato in Ireland , but objected ' ito have the voters holding beneficial interest in pro- ! perty . swamped by so vast an addition of small , tenant voters aS ; w , ould bo occasioned under an £ 8 rating . A pauper constituency ' .. was the worst possible .. It would overwhelm the property of the country , and might reset dangerously , upon the ini-
penal parliament , ; In his opinion £ 15 was . sonwwhat todlowj b , ut ho was willing to . vote for it as an approach ' to a soundisystem of qualification . ; . ¦ j A prolongedi . disbussion . followed , in which . the facts and argument !} ' turned chiefly upon the cha- ' ractcr of ; the ¦ electorate . which ? would bo created under a franchise ' based upon tenure . ' , -Lord BitbiKHrAjr said , that as one-third of the Irish people \ were paupers it' would be a pauper Sopulation , and one peculiarly- under priestly , in- ' uenco , both in the north and . the south of Ireland . ; He , therefore , 'supported a £ 15 qualification , but ! he concluded by strongly urging ' the claims of tho , workingclassesof England to : an extended fran- ; chisei because the tradesmen . and shopocracy of the !
country were far more servile and dependent than the artisans ' and mechanics of England . His Lord- ; ship said , in the first lesson for the day which had been , read yesterday it was said that Saul had re- ; pented in sackcloth and ashes , when he was about ; to-be turned out of office or ¦ dethroned ; because hs , had listened too much to the voice of the people ;' : arid in like manner perhaps the government , when : they felt th ' ey ' were going ! ou ( i ; . would repent and do something to extend the -franchise "in ; England . ( Laughter . ) ' He must apologise to the Right Rev . ' Prelate for . thus trenching on-his- province . ; ( Laughter ;) He must admit that if a great change
were to bo made in the provisions of the Reform ' Bill it would be most beneficial , Such a change as would give to the enlightened hardworking artisans the franchise in' Bngland- ^ a class of persons much more independent than any who . now had ' votes , who didnot want the ballot to protect them , but would giyetheirvotesfearlessly and openly , who were more independent than £ 10 freeholders and the shopkeepers , far riioro independent than what was called the " capitalocracy" of the country ; He had no wish to see the present respectable body of Ii'ish mehibers in the House of Commons turned but by a far'less eligible setofmen , which would be' sure to ' occur if the constituency ^ proposed ' . by this- bill 'was' established . ' '" ' - '• ' ¦ "' ' ¦ ¦ ' ¦ ' ' ¦ ¦ ' ¦¦ '
The Marquis of Laksdowne offered to -adopt'the £ 12 qualifi 6 atibh " a ¥ proposed in'fhe amendment suggested . by . theEaiiof St . Germans ;; but . this compromise not being accepted , their lordships at length divided , ¦ r . . ¦ . ,- . - ; Por the clause ... ; .. '' , ' .. ., ;! SO For Lord Desart ' s amendment ' .. ; 72—22 ¦ On the motion of tho Marquis ; of Lansoowne , the Chairman then reported : progress , ; the . committee being ordered to ; resume , on Thursday . . Their Lordships then , adjourned . ' . . ' ' ,
HOUSE OF COMMONS . T-Tho business , in . this . house was commenced by a . lengthened conversation , ' fouiided ' oh questions by Colonel , Sibthorpahd other members , ' upon the subject of the site ofthe National Exhibition of ; 1851 , followed .. ' The Attorney-General , explaining the legal position of . the question , stated that Hyde-park , was the property of tho Crown in fee , and that on . erlch ' accession it was invested in the Commissioners of Woods and Forests . is trustees for'the . public - Those commissioners had a right to cut down mature trees , andjiwiththe Royal sanction , immature trees , but were unable to . grant any lease for the erection of permanent buildings . . He : declined to ' suggest . how . the public ' ( the cestiusque trust ) were . to . / interfere , if dissatisfied with the acts or'the trustees . ' . Lord John Russell stated that , the-exhibition-was to close on the 1 st of November , 1851 , at latest , and in seven months
fvomthatdatej . the / . whole building was to here moved , and he reiterated tlie statement that there was no idea of applying to the public pur ' so for ' assistance . Mr . Reynolds offered the Phoenix-park ; , Dublin , for the Exhibitiow , ' and Mr . Alcock proposed Battersea-fields . . Mr .- Duncombo . thought that it would be better to ; brave , the frowns ; qf Rotten-row . rather .: than . peril the , Exhibit ' ori , r . arid object to . theprice of half-a-orown ,-whicji . it . was understdod . was intended to be charged for admission , saying '' that the entrance ought to bo free three days in' the week ; a suggestion which wasrejected by . Lord John Russell ; . Finally it was . arranged that the whole matter , should be discussed , on Thursday , and in the meantime a memorial , " . addressed to the Lords of the Treasury , by the Commissioners in charge of the Exhibition , stating the decision to which they had come , : as to the locality and tho reasons for it , was to be . placed in the hand ' s
of memders . . Mr . Smith O'Brien . —On the question for going into Committee of Supply , ' - Mr . Akstet as an amendment moved for an inquiry into the circumstances under which- a letter addressed by'Mr . William Smith O'Brien to a member of this house ,. complaining of his having been placed in solitary confinement by the present Lieutenant-Governor of Van Diemen ' s Land , was intercepted and opened in that colony by tho local authorities . The question was , whether the local authorities had a right to retain or open letters addressed by the convicts under their charge to persons in this country filling an official position ? Mr . S . O'Brien having refused a letter ofleave was sent
to the penal settlement of Darlington , on . Maria Island * off tho coast of . Van , Diemen s Land . . Mr . O ' Brien thought the prison . regnlations . had been unduly stretched for the purpose of inflicting additional hardship , and addressed to him ( Mr . Anstey ) , as a member of Parliament , a letter on the subject . In'this-country and in-. Ireland ,-where . those in charge of the prisoners , had a plenary power to establish such regulations as they pleased , there did exist regulations in virtue of which the authorities might . detain and open letters addressed by convicts to any persons without the , gaol , or which might bo sent to the prisoners within . The distinction between convict . and freeman was . recognised in this country ; but , for all purposes of . police whatsoever , there was
no distinction between free and . bond in Van Diemen's Land , The post-office there was regulated by a local act , in which convicts were expressly named , and of a particular mode pointed out for transmitting their letters ; but tho same penalty attached to the unlawful detaining or opening of tho . letter of a-convict as that of a freeman . If there had been information on oath'that he ( Mr . Anstey ) was a suspicious person , and that the letter addressed to him would be used for an improper purpose , he would chcerfullyadmit that tho Governor of Van Diemen's Land acted within tho . limits of his authority ; but the subject was one for inquiry . Mr . O'Brien having addressed the letter to " J . C . Anstey , Esq ., House of Commons , London , "
forwarded it to the Chief Superintendent of Convicts . In the despatch which covered the letter Sir W . Deriison , tho Lieutenant-Governor , frankly . and fairly-admitted that it was opened by hjjs authority ' and that ho read the letter to inform himself of the complaints or misrepresentations , as he called them , Mr .-O'Brien might , make .- When tho letter reached Downing-street Earl Grey , through the Under-Secretary " for the Colonics , forwarded it , and invited him . ( Mr . Anstey ) to call at the Colonialoffice , and read what Sir . W . Denison had written . Nothing could he more fair , courteous , or candid than the conduct of the Colonial-office . Tho -letter might have been forwarded thither ; with the : seal unbroken , and Lord Grey would have forwarded it
so . Tho ground of complaint was , that the se . il was broken in Van Diemen ' s Land .- During the period he had resided in Van Diemen ' s Land—from 1829 to the present time—he did not believe there ever had been an instance in which a letter was opened except on sworn information and , under warrant . The right hon , member for , Ripon , when charged with opening tho letters of tho hon . member for Finsbury , might as well have pleaded that it was the general practice to open tho letters of free persons hero , as the authorities of Van Diemen ' s Land that it was the general practice toope ' n the letters of convicts there . The course taken in opening the letter of Mr , O'Brien was unjust , unlawful , unprecedented , impolitic , and dishonourable .
The refusal of Mr . S .-O'Brien of a ticket of leave was justified By tho consideration that tho , ticket-ofleaveman was exposed to bo constantly annoyed by charges of " insubordination , " charges of a general or indefinite description which might he brought before a magistrate by any free man , however debased in character . If the government really did not think that the time had como when they ought to release these unfortunate men altogether , he trusted at all events that they would not aggravate their sufferings . " Mr . Dickson seconded the amendment , and referred to a petition from the county of Limerick , in which the deepest sympathy had . been expressed with Mr . Smith O'Brien , coupled with an earnest desire for some relaxation of his severe treatment .
Sir G . Gret could not admit that any , grounds had been made out for a Parliamentary' inquiry . He begged to assure thehon . gentleman that ' the letter to which he had referred had been owned
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simply in conformity with the universal practice with regard to convicts who had not received tickets ofleave . ^ Mr . „ , S ., 0 'Briett and his associates had forfeited jtheir lives to the da ^ rs of their country in consequence of acts of , wnich they had been convio ' ted'after if fair arid impartial'trial . "' ' By the free mercy of tho , Crown , their lives had been spared , their ;'' sehtericcs'b ' eihg ' commuted to transportation for life ; ' 'Under ^ those ' circumstances the hori . gentfc'hjatr''hoped that the government' would extend some further indulgence . Departing from the ordinary > , tevVstomy : these persons had been treated somewhat ' '' -differently- 'from ordinary convicts . Tickets' of leave had been offered them on their arrivnl * 'iri the ; colony . Three of them accepted the
^ . k ^ v- ' r . O'Brien refused it , and therefore by his own a ' ct alone those restraints had been placed " { # < li '"^ whicl 1 ho or his friends now com-P !»}? . f . di . ¦ , . ' *™! . , 9 ' ; gentleman stated that it was a y' ° . latl . ? n C . ° P . ourabledeling to open letters addressed ; bycorivicts to their'friends . Why it was what was'done nith regard to convicts in thiscoun-S ? ff ? ,, ?& .. ^ . , every convict in Van Diemen ' s Land who had not a ticket ofleave -and for tKe ' . obyidus reason , that were it hot so measures bf escape" might , be' concocted , articles sent to the newspaper ' s / and means taken to render the pnnishme'rit a laughing stock , and altogether to defeat the ends of . pufiishmenj , ( Hear , ' hear . ) The government liad'done what they could in this case to
mitigate the severity , that attended the sentence of transportatiohj'but . he thought-that the hon . gentleman ' was asking for too much when he required that ' a special exerhption should be made in behalf of Mr . ''&; O'Brien . The only alternative was to treatyhim " a 8 ¦ ho was treated , ; or to . set him free again oirhis ' native soil . He deeply regretted that a ; gentleman who had sat amongst themselves should have beeh ! subjected to this ' punishment , yet to say because he '; wara geritlemail / and bad been a member . of Parliament , that therefore a free pardon was to be given him , would be holding up justice to contempt / and rendering punishment a by-word and a mockery , . '' . ' . . Mri-B . ' CocnRiNE perfectly agreed with the right hnni'fTfinhlflmnTl'tKn ' f linrlrtV fhn ' ni * m \« -nafti ' n . nn « « P * W"'¦¦ "' i
i"v" . y" , "" , ' "" »«» m ^»* - * vuv vKvuuioifUUUCo Ui . tllU ' ciise lawsh ' ouldbe carried oiit . He sawnoreason for showing favour to one class of persons more than anothery and ; it was some false sensibility of that kind that he believed had led to the recent outrageiupqri * ; the Sovereign . The law ought in all case ' s" to'be' carried out fairly and fearlessly , without any regard , to tho class of society to which the persons ' offending belonged . He believed that Sir W . J lenisph had acted only in' pursuance of his 'duty ^ -: ; ' ;•*¦'•¦ ' ; ., ' MrVQ'FiAnERTy said the people of Ireland felt ' strongly ' that , . however unfortunate this gentleman . might have ; liceD , the case was attended with cir' curtstances of mitigation ; ' and he assured -the . government that , should a favourable opportunity occurof . grantinga . fr . ee pardon , it would be most
' pleasing ' and grateful to tho feelings of the Irish people ; . ;;' V , " . '„ '¦ ¦' .. Mr . ; HrJME ^ didnot cphciir / iu the propriety of interfering ' with the ' government in a case of this nature ,. With regard to the particular complaint , heknew ' . that formerly letters we ' re allowed to pass frorii , ; a' ; co ' nvict to a member ' © f Parliament unbpenedj arid he thought it desirable that the privilege should si Hi exist . ; THqO'GoBiiAN Mahon deprecated the custom of Violating the seal ^ f . a letter from a convict to a member of'Parliameht , and pro + ested against the doctrine . thn t no distinction should be made between Mr . 'S , O'Brien . ' arid ordinary convicts . The hon . gentleman then went through the proceedings of
the trial , . which , he said , had by no means satisfied him , for , 'though Mr . O'Brien had been found guilty of treason , . it had been unaccompanied by the shedding of one single drop of blood . True , there was tho shooting Of a child , or an old woman , or something of that sort , " by the police , but there was ho collision to which Mr . O'Brien had been , a party indeedj ' . but for . that gentleman ' s interference , lives would have been lost , bloodshed , and property detroyed . tb an enormous extent . ' Ho trusted that the government would one of these days enjoy the satisfaction of advising , her Majesty to an act of mercy , which would , if possil . lo , more" than ever endear her to her affectionate Irish subjects .
, Mr . Monsell stated , that from communications he had had with the government , and especially . the hoh „ ge . iitlenian the Under-Secretary " for the Colonies , ' . ho . felt bound to say that they had shown every disposition to meet . the reasonable suggestions , which he had taken the liberty to make . At the same time he was "riot so convinced that the colonial authorities had acted in the samo spirit . He found , from a letter from Van Diemen ' s Land , dated . " November 26 th , " that , having refused tho ticket of leave , Mr . O'Brien had been-treated very rigorously—in fact , in every respect as . one of the worst convicts , except that he was not required to labour , or to wear tho convict dress ; he was restricted to the same food as tho others , prohibited
from ; purchasing anything whatever , and net allowed : tp hpld conimunication with any person . . , Sir , L . O'Brien observed that some discredit had been . thrown upon , his ioi-mor statement by a letter in the . Times from a Mr . Shaw , writing from Roundtown , Dublin . That was not a fair letter , however ; , but his own statement was founded upon a communication from his brother to Mr . Butt , Q . C ., and might be relied on . He could ask no more than ; thathi- < brother should be treated with cons ' , deration , in his . present uttfoytvraate position . To ask for , release would , perhaps , ho unreasonable . onl
He y asked that he might he treated so that his hoalth ; should not suffer . ; Mr . . Hawes assured the house that the' Governor of Van Diemen ' s Land had been actuated only by one feeling , a sense of duty as well to the" Grown as to tho convict . . There had been , however , certain modifications since the 26 th of November , referred to in . the letter read by the hon . gentleman opposite ( Mr . Monsell ) . Mr . S . O'Brieh ' s being . confined alono . was solely his own act . In respect to his dietary and place of confinement , some especial favour had been shown . him , and to that extent it might be that . the governor was even open to some
censure ; Mr . EwAnithoughtthatMr . O'Brienwas cntitledto some consideration at the hnnds of the government , and he was sure they would not he unwilling to show such as ; was reasonable . Mr . S . Crawford ' said , no one attempted to justify the course of conduct that Mr . O'Brien had pursued ; but ho could fearlessly state that there but was one feeling of sympathy and compassion for him throughout the whole of Ireland . Colonel Duxne supported the proposition of the hon . member for Youghal , and concurred in stating that there was a general feeling of . regard and esteem for Mr . S . O'Brien's many excellent qualities , and of regret at his present unfortunate position .
Colonel Thompson said , that the case of Mr . Smith O ' Brien appeared to him to bo just like that of an officer to whom liberty upon his parole was offered when he was let out of prison . Ho might refuse hid liberty upon that condition ; but if he did the world at large would be content to let him take the consequences . ( Hear , hear . ) If he could see the smallest reason te believe that the government desired to press hardly and inconsiderately upon Mr . Smith O'Brien , he was suro there was nothing he would not do to signify his condemnation of it " ; but he could not see any . On the contrary , he desired to congratulate tho present government as being the first of all governments who hnd dispensed with capital punishment in political cases . ( Hear . ) ; The . house then divided ; the numberswerc— '
, For going into committee ... 45 For Mr . Anstey ' s amendment 1 7 . Majority ... —28 The ; amendment being consequently lost , the house went into Committeo-of Supply . £ 12 . , ooo was voted for educational purposes in Great Britain . . ; . £ 125 , 000 for national education in Ireland . . -. £ 14 , 755 for schools of design . On tho vote for £ 2 , 00 G for salaries and allowances to the professors of Oxford and Cambridge being put , Mr . Ewart regretted that there was not at those Universities a professor of history in connexion with diplomacy . . Load Palmerston said that the matter had been for 801110 time' under his consideration , and he hoped to be able to make arrangements for examining those who received their first diplomatic commission . The vote was agreed to .
; Other votes having been taken , an interesting discussion arose in connexion with tho vote for the British Museum . Tho sluggishness and the obstructivencss of those whoso duty it is to furnish the . public with an early and popular catalogue of the library were uncompromisingly dealt with , and , despite the usual official excuses , the feeling of the public in reference to the unwillingness or incompetency of certain of its paid servants to do their dutyy in regard to this department of the Museum , was satisfactorily expressed . The discussion of tho Estimates occupied the house till half-past twelve .
TUESDAY , Jrar 3 . HOUSE OF LORDS . —Eoucation . —Tho Earl of Harrowbs moved for tho appointment of a select committee to inquire into the expenditure of the public money granted annually for the purposes ot education . Detailing tho chief features of the controversy now pending between the National Society and the Committee of the Privy Council on Education , the noble earl argued that tho ri ght of interference claimed by the council with nll . the schools which were to partake of tho national grants , tended to shake and extinguish the efforts of individual zeal among a large portion of the clerical and " lay members of the established church . By the system of supervision , the whole body of schoolmasters were placed under the immediate control of the Privy Council , and the result was that the education of the people was checked on one side , and the privileges of tho church invaded on the other .
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The Marquis of Lansdownb , from an official knowledge of the facts , declared that the systeu of inspection-had workedwel ) , and the aid and advice of the government inspectors were every vear more cordially sought for and acknowledged . " He admitted that the zeallOf the inspectors might ia some instances have cavied them too far ,-and led to an unwarrantable intermeddling in the management , of the schools ; bnt contended that in gei-eral they kept within the scope of their instructions . Respecting tho jealousies . that had arisen on the part of a certain section of the church , he believed that they were founded upon misnpprohensiOD , because the Pnvy Council had carefully recognised the supremacy of tho clergymen in all matteia of
religion , zie nevertheless denied that tho h-giglatuvo had designed , or that tho Privy Council were warranted , to place all national grants for educational purposes at the solo disposal of the clergy of the established church . Dissenters and Catholics had a right , and were intended to coma in for their share . The' Wesleyan body had a [ b first testified sonie jealousy" of the government system , but on acquiring fuller iriformationof the real nature of the contemplated inspection , had waived all difference arid cordially co-operated with the Privy Council in utilising the means furnished by the legislature . No invidious distinctions had , as was " alleged , been created against tho church , but all
sects were considered in the Act with the most care * ful impartiality . Of G 89 schools assisted with ' gvanta during the two last years , 533 belonged to the established church , to whom had been appropriate ^ eighty per cent , of the fuhds . expendeu by the Committee of the Council for Education . After rending the testimony of dignitaries and ministers , the noble marquis submitted that the administration of the national funds voted for purposes of instruction was unobjectionable in principle , and useful in its practical results . For these reasons he objected to the appointment of a selec t committee , observing also that at so late a . period of the session there was no time for it to prosecute inquiriesto any availably purpose . ..-.: . . Lord Lyttei , ton supported the motion . i
„ Lord Kinnaihd suspected that the motion was prompted . by a " party" in the church , and urged that the government had gone to the utmost limits of concession towards the National Society . : . The Bishop of Salisbury , in supporting the motion , vindicated the National Society from the alleged stigma of party spirit . Entering into the general question of education , he expressed joma doubts of the tendencies of the "forcing syswm " so much in vogue , ' and which had spread int . ) tha training schools constituted under government inspection . -
After some remarks from the Eavlof Cbicheitbr . The Bishop of Oxronn , with much warmth , oxculpatcd the National Society from the charge of . ' ooking with jealousy upon lay or . government interference in education . This charge , he declared , waa founded upon mischievous misrepresentation . Detailing the principles of the dispute between tha National Society and the Privy Council , he niijued in support of the society , and enlarged upon t he arbitrary conduct and irresponsibility of the c < moil in administering tho funds granted by parliam- ; it to promoto . the education of the people . Hesupt-jrted the motion .
The Earl of Carlisle gave a brief history of the " management clauses " which had formed th * excuse for tho opposition excited against the IMvy Council . These clauses he contended had lone been wanted , and were drawn up with an especial avoidance of unnecessary intermeddling , or of infringement upon the prerogatives ofthe church .. R ; ^ retting the influences which had disturbed t ! o cooperation of tho church and the state on acco-. nt of merely hairsplitting differences , he repeated tha promise made b y tho Marquis of iansdowno . that every required information should be at onco produced by the Privy Council , and meanwhile ^ ' » precated the appointment of a committee , which eculd only institute inquiries vexations on themselves , and wholly useless at the present advanced period ofthe session .
Lord Stanley , concurred in approving of th > sysi tern of inspection , 'but apprehended that in pi- stico mnny irregularities existed , particularly sincf the extension of the educational operations during tha past two years . Some incidents of alleged impropriety he then related , and contended that immediate inquiry was highly requisite to ascerta' a the truth and extent of those asserted misdoings . ¦ Lord Haiuwwby replied ; and Their lordships divided upon Lord Harrowby ' s motion . Contents . „ , „ , „ 26 Non-contents 31—5 . The house adjorned at a quarter to one o ' clock . HOUSE OF COMMON S .-Landlord and Tenant Bill . —On the order for the third reading of this bill ,
Mr . Posey said , in compliance with the suggestion of Irish members , he had assented to its extension to Ireland . Col . SiBirionp reiterated his objections to the bill , ' which bo considered an absurd one , fraught with mischief , and he moved its rejection . ¦ ' Sir J . Bulleh opposed the bill , which , in his opinion , would open a door to constant litigation . between landlord and tenant , and was mappl ' cjible to parts of tho country where the tenancies were small , Tho bill was likewise opposed by Mr . M' Cullaoh , Mr . CnRiSTOPHEn , and Sir 6 . Strickland . Upon a division , the third reading was carried by 53 against 17 . ' ¦ Upon the motion of Mr . Mullincs , two clauses were added to the hill , one for lessening the evils of emblements , the other making crops ' Beized bv the sheriff liable to rent whilst on the farm
, Mr . S . Crawford moved that ''Ireland " , be excluded from the preamble , considering thi t , although tbe bill might be in some degree suited to England , it was in no degree suited to the formes country . This proposition was negatived , upon a division , by ( M against 14 . The bill then / passed . . The house suspended its sitting from two o'clock The motion of Mr . Roebuck respecting the Church of Ireland , fixed for that evening , was postponed in consequence of his indisposition . Putition or C . R . Hyatt . —Mr . F . O'Connor
moved that the petition of Charles Rathband llvatt , complaining ot the conduct of Mr . Commissioner Fonblanque , and praying for inquiry ( presented 2 ith of June , ) he printed . Mr . Tiiorsely ( chairman of the public petitions committee ) opposed the motion , on the ground that it would cost £ 15 unnecessarily , as tho substance of the petition was already in tho hands of hon . members , and was quite sufficient to form the'basis of a motion if the hon . und learned gentleman wished to make it the subject of one .
Mr . F . O'Connor did not think the expense oughfj to stand in the way in such a case . Sir R . Inolis said he would not be deterred in any instance of alleged grievance from printing a petition on tho ground of the expense , but as tha substance of this petition was already printed hg should oppose the motion . Mr . Bbotiierton took the same view , particularly as the petition was a perfect pamphlet in contents . The house divided , when there appeared : For the motion ... ... 1 ¦ . Against it 107—100 » The report of the Committee of Supply waa brought up , and the resolutions were agreed to . The Pirates '' Head Money Repeal Act Commencement Bill , and the Sheriff , of Westmoreland Appointment Bill , ' went through committee .
The Portland Harbour and Breakwater Bill was read a second tinie and referred to a select com , " mittce . The house adjourned at a quarter to ' six o ' clock . WEDNESDAY , July 3 . : HOUSE OF COMMONS .-The SPEAKER took tho chair at twelve o ' clogk . The Death op Sir . Robert Peel . —Mr . Hume . —I hope , in addressing the house , I may be excused for expressing tho deep regret which not only I but every member of this house , 1 am sure . ' nmsfj feel at the loss we have just suffered by the death of Sir Robert Peel . ( Cries of " Hear , hear . " ) I cannot allude to tho conduct and career of that r ' gbt hon . gentleman , more particularly of later years , when events of immense importance havo
' aken place , mainly owing to the part which ha has enacted , without forming the highest opinion of him aa a public man ready , as he showed him * self to he , to sacrifice power , office , and everything * for the passing of a legislative act which he believed the imperial interests of the country demanded . ( Cheers . ) It is needless for me , on this painful occasion , to do anything more than express a hope , if the house should concur with me in thosentU ment of deep regret I have attempted to give utter * ance to , that they will agree to adopt that course which it appears to mo is the best , ' arid , indeed , the only means we have , of showing our respect for the memory of our greatly deplored and lata member , by adjourning the house without proceeding with any business whatever to-day . ( Cheers . ) Ife is impossible for mo , indeed I have not the power , to express what I feel so strongly at the- great public loss which that right hen ; gentleman ' s
death has occasioned . When I contemplate tha many sacrifices he has made , and when I consider the strong feelings and deep interest which have been manifested in this metropolis , and which I aa sure wil 1 xtend throughout the whole country , a this great calamity , I hope I may be excused , even if-there should be no precedent—and I am not aware that there is any precedent—oh such an occasion—one so seldom , if overj likely to occur again , at least in my time-proposing , out of re > spect to tho right hon . gentleman whose melancholy death we have to lament , that the house do adjourn without proceeding to any other business--- ( Hear , hear . ) . . ., ; , Mr . Gladstone . —As tho hon . gentlemanfront motives which I am sure all will submitted this motion to the no other person' connected by lamented gentleman of whose Jpes " . '
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