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HOUSE OF _COMMONS , Monday , Aran . 14 . A great _numbw of petitions were presented against the grant to "Maynooth . . _„ . , Mr . Pebbakd gave notice that on the third reading of ihe Mavnooth Grant Bin , he would move an amendment , declaring that the Charitable Bequests Act was a violation ofthe Act of _Setflemenf , and a contravention of the oath of supr eniacy ; and that fhe Maynooth College Bill is calculated to encourage and spread a religion opposed to the Protestant "Reformed religion established b y law . Mr . S . Crawford gave notice that he would move an amendment , condemnatory of the principle of religious endowments for any sect whatever . The adjourned debate was then resumed by
Mr . Hawes , who supported the grant to "Maynooth as a measure calculated to promote the spread of education in Ireland ; butthe aspect of fhe biU before the house was somewhat changed by the arguments of its most strenuous supporters , and also by those of Mr . Gladstone , all leading to the inference that the present was but fhe precursor of ulterior measmes . . He would not oppose the second reading of the _"tuH / but would support Mr . "Ward ' s amendment in committee , and would also propose other amendments-with a similar ohject , that of endowing fhe "Roman Catholic religion with a portion of the property of theProtestantEstablishmcnt .
Sr T . _Phemaxtle said that when he reflected tliey were dealing with seven millions of people of the Catholic ¦ reli gion , he could not imagine tliat the bill gave either encouragement or the contrary to Roman Catholicism . The principle ofthe grant had been conceded in 1795 , and baa been acted upon ever since , and its increase was a matter of justice and _expediency , considering the increase of the population in Ireland , their poverty , and the implied conditions of the union . The biU was an earnest of theland and the liberal sp irit in which the present Government were prepared to govern Ireland , seeking its tranquillity and the security of property by winning ihe confidence of the people .
Mr . F . Xacze opposed the bill , because it went to change a mere annual grant into a permanent one—thus endowing a religious establishment , over which they had not the slightest control , and recognising a principle precisely the re \ erse of that upon which they had acted with respect to the Pree Church of Scotland . It was hopeless to expect that . this bill would put an end to agitation , or that they would stop short , should it once become law , of the entire endowment ofthe Roman Catholic Church . lord Castleeeagh thought that this hiH went to remove a cause of annual contention , which had now existed for nearly fifty years , and would therefore be received , he "believed , by "his Catholic felldw-countrymen -with good feeling and good wilL He hoped that Sir K . Peel would persevere in the course he was pursuing , _undismayed by either the combination or defection of parlies .
The _O'Coxoa Don , as a Roman Catholic member , was willing to receive the measure as liberal in spirit and effectiveforitspurposes . The Catholics of Ireland could not consent to the connection of their Church with the State ; bnt they could not refuse a grantplaeing Maynooth on a respectable footing , worthy of the eminent men who resided in it , and of the education they bestowed . Mr . _Lefbot contended Hat the bill was * violation of the Protestant character of onr constitution , and would , -therefore , oppose it . Col , T , Wood ( Middlesex ) regarded the biU as a measure of justice to Ireland , and thought it involved in common honesty other measures , such as the endowment cf the Catholic Church , in order to pacify Ireland and cement its union ivifht his eountry . Hewas aware that he differed with many of his constituents in this opinion , _bntjViolating no pledge and forfeiting nohonour , he would , whatever might be the consequences , give his hearty vote -for ihe bill before the bouse .
Sir C . Navies , took fhe same view of the question , and supported the MR , knowing that he also differed in opinion with many of his constituents . Mr . _STAi-roEO . O'Bbien opposed the measure on thc ground tliat the improved education at Maynooth would give refined tastes , which would utterly unfit the Catholic priest for the duties he would subsequently have to perform . Had . such . a measure , or that -very measure verbatim , been proposed by lord John "Russell , while a "Minister , he believed it would have "been opposed by everyone of those Conservatives who now were lending it thensupport . Had he made up his mind to vote for the measure , he would , in that case , have felt himself bound to resign his trust into the hands of Ms constituents .
Mr . C . _Tvy-si * said , that during forty or fifty years he hail sat in that house he had uniforml y supported measures of this kind , and would support this one also , as "being well calculated to draw closer the bonds of union between the two countries . The great object was that the Catholics should be trained up in subjection to the law , and that their priests , instead of being the leaders of agitation , might become the links of unity between the Government and the people ; and he , therefore , hoped the bill might be carried to a successful issue . Mr , _CowMni , in -voting for the bill , could not understand that lie was at aU voting for or against religious error . It was but common fairness that the Catholics of Ireland should nave a fair share out of the money they , as well as the Protestants , contributed to the Consolidated Fund , for the purposes of education . 3 £ r . Gbegobt opposed the bill , contending that it would lead tothe endowment of the Catholic Church , and the endowment of one conununi-ly would necessarily lead to the endowment of every other .
3 _Jr . Macauxat reviewed the chief objections which had been made to the measure , and , in replying to them , observed that a great number of those gentlemen who were about to oppose this bill would have voted for the ordinary grant to Maynooth . Now , with such gentlemen , principle formed no ground of objection ; for with them fhe question was one between £ 9000 and 26 , 000 . Tor his own part , he thought that if they were to give a grant at all , they should give one efficient for the purpose for which it was professed to be intended . "When he saw the magnificent way in which English universities were maintained , and when he reflected on the vast quantity of wealth formerly taken from the Catholic Church , he Confessed he was astonished at the niggardly spirit "hitherto displayed towards "Do-the-boys-HaU" at Maynooth . "With respect to the argument , that by this biU
they were giving money for the inculcation of error , the right hon . gentleman contended that in every Church there was a certain portion of error . None were perfect . _There was in the Scottish Church and in the Church of "England also much of error , and , in endowing those Churches , they were to a certain extent paying money for the circulation of error . Under these circumstances le _eoBeerced himself entitled to vote for giving this grant for the benefit ofthe people of Ireland , notwithstanding that there was in his opinion a proportion of error in the ipeligioue doctrine inculcated . He would say , however , that the conduct of public men should be governed by fixed -principles — that those principles should guide them , whether on the opposition or the _-mlnislenal benches . This had not "been fhe case "with the right hon . baronet , who had twice obtained power and deluded the expectations of those by whom he was
supported ; and "be must also say that when seeking power he had appealed to passions with which he had not the fdightcst sympathy , and to prejudices in which he did not share . Tins , le had held ont to the anxious Protestants of Ireland a hope of a registration lull which would annihilate the political power of the Catholics ; and , having _obtained power , instead of a registration hh % he presented them with a bin for "Maynooth . He challenged him to show any fixed principle regarding Irish affairs which had actuated him both in and out of office . The present Government were therefore , he contended , the most unprincip led opposition ibe world ever saw ; but that was no reason why their measures , if good , should be rejected ; and therefore , though believing that tiie fate of the toll and of the Ministry also were in t iie disposal of that side of thehouse , he would nevertheless support it steadUy and _perseveringly , although aware that in so doing lie risked bis seal in Parliament .
Mr . Shaw looked upon this bin as the first regular endowment of the Catholic Church since the Reformation , and it was regarded in Ireland as a severe blow to the _"Esablifihed Church in that country . - - — ~ _*— ' ~ _<^ Mr . S . Heebebt said that Mr . Macaulay had shown to demonstration that no principle was concerned in the -question "before the house . He quite agreed with him in this j but then he wished to know if no principle were involved , how could the right hon . gentleman think that there was a great-violation of principle committed by the Government in "bringtag it forward ? The right hon . gentleman ( Mr . ffeibert ) then proceeded to reply to many of the objections urged against the "bill in the course of the aebate _^ and saia he was so convinced of its justice and necessity - "fiat le was perfectly willing to take his full share of any _obloquy wliich might fall to the share of its supporters . Major Bekesfobd then moved the adjournment of the debate until Tuesday , which was immediately acceded to .
_Tcesdat _, April 15 . An immense number of petitions were presented against the proposed grant to Maynooth . Against them Mr . Colquhoun presented a petition from a public meeting held on Monday evening , at Covent-garden Theatre , at which not lass than 5000 persons were present The petition ivas signed on behalf of the meeting by Mr . "R , C . L . Bevan , the chairman . The petitioners , amongst other things , said , "Thattheproposal ofher Majesty ' s Government formally to endow the College of Maynooth for the education of the Somish priesthood of Ireland , at the . expense of the united kingdom , is a measure wliich this _meet ing feels constrained , by every principle of religion , to oppose by an the means of resistance which the laws and constitution of these -realms will permit . "
Mr . _^ saBAs-D moved , that the petition of the members ofthe Dublin Protestant Operative Association and Reformation . _Society , and other Protestants , praying the house forthwitfc to institute an inquiry into the conduct _flfthe Bight . Hon . Sir R . Feel , Bart ,, M . P ., and , if the "P _^ _" _^ of the petitioners be correct , to impeach him for «! li » _-2 _S"MHi _^ n 4 s * temeanours against the laws ana _W _^ _tatym pf the . reahn ( presented llth April ) , be
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printed . He hoped there would be no objection to the printing of the petition , which was most respectfully worded . It was his intention to bring the allegations it contained against the right hon . baronet at the head of Government under the consideration of the house on the third reading ofthe Maynooth bill , if it should reach that stage . Colonel Rawdon was of opinion that the house could not sanction such a proposition , more particularly as the petition contained passages in reference to the corona * tion oath , couched in terms offensive to all Roman Catholics . After a short discussion , Sir J . Gbaham said he would assent to the printing of the petition , if the hon . member would pledge himself to found a motion upon it . Mr . Febband said he had already given notice that he would move an amendment on the third reading of the Maynooth Bill , which would be based upon the allegations ofthe petition _. _ . - ,... _..-.
lord J . Russell thought it was absurd to print such a petition as this npon a vague assurance that a motion would be moved on the third reading of the bill calling for the impeachment of Sir R . Peel because ofthe passing of the Charitable Bequests Act . "Without a more distinct assurance of a specific motion , he must oppose tht printing of fhe petition . Mr . T . Duncohbe said , that the hon . member ( Mr . Ferrand ) had not given a distinct pledge that he would make a motion founded on the petition unconnected with the third reading of the Maynooth College Bill . If he gave that distinct pledge , he thought the house would not have the power to refuse the printing of the petition . As there was a strong feeling that the right of petitioning was encroached on , he should , on the understanding that the hon . member meant to found a specific motion on the petition , vote for its being printed , in the event of a division taking place .
Mr . _Feb-baud said it was not his intention to make a distinct motion founded on the petition , and therefore , as he saw the sense of the house was against the motion for printing the petition , he should withdraw that motion . Motion accordingly withdrawn . A further and immense number of petitions against the Maynooth grant were then presented , after which the adjourned debate on tbe bill was resumed . Major _Bebebfoud opposed the bill because it weakened the position of the Church of England in Ireland and exposed it to the greatest dangers . He contended that the College of Maynooth was not fit to be continued as a seminary for education , forits pupils disseminated among the people of Ireland the doctrines of agitation rather than those of peace and Christian charity . He insisted that this biU was in direct opposition to every principle which had placed the present Government in power . They had now brought forward for representation the very drama which they had damned and hissed off the stage when it was acted by the managers of the rival house .
Mr . Btnc said , tliat having voted for every measure brought forward for amending the civil condition of the Roman Catholics for the sixty-seven years during which he had been a member of Parliament , be felt it necessary to declare that he supported this measure not only on political , but also on religious grounds . He thought that the Roman Catholics of Ireland had been worse governed than any other set of men in Europe ; and he conld not find in the sacred Scriptures a single passage in which he was ordered by the great God who made us aU to hate any man who differed from him in religion . He could not remain in that house any longer with a vote if he did not give it on this occasion in favour of the Roman Catholics of Ireland . Could any man dislike this measure more than Sir R . Peel and the Duke of _"WeUington ? And yet it was not from fear , but from a firm conviction that it was for the benefit of the country , that they now gave it their warmest support .
Colonel Tekneb stated , that if the last speaker had been the advocate of Catholic emancipation for the last sixty-seven years , he had been the advocate of the claims ofthe Protestants for the last fifty . As such , he must denounce this bill as a violation of principle which could not be defended even on the paltry ground of expediency . He referred to Mr . O'ConneU ' s "hurrah for Peel and Repeal , " as a proof that he considered this measure a step in advance to repeal . He complained that the Protestants of Ireland had not of late years been treated by the Government of the country with the respect and the attention which their importance and their loyalty deserved ,
Mr . Huue hailed tliis measure as one of great national importance , and should , therefore , give it his support . He made a personal appeal to Sir R . Inglis , and advised him to consider , whether the principles on which his revered father had acted towards the people of India , when he was one of fhe directors of the East India Company , were not wiser and more charitable than those on which he was then acting towards the people of Ireland . If we were to give that support to the Roman Catholic religion in Ireland which the East India Company gave to the religion of the Hindoos in India , he was certain that we should find the benefit of it in the increased love and
attachment of our Irish _feUow-countiymen . He then proceeded to defend Sir K . Peel from the attack which had been made upon him last night , because he was now proposing measures contrary to the principles of those which he advocated four years ago . If there were any force in this mode of attack , what would Mr . Macaulay eay to St . Paul , who was a persecutor of the Christians up to a certain period of his life ? Though he intended to support thisbill ,. he objected to taking the money for the endowment of Maynooth from fhe consolidated fund . He considered that there were church funds in Ireland which were better applicable for such a purpose .
Mr . _Newbegati * could not give his support to the bill , on account of the tenets which were avowed and taught by the Roman Catholic clergy . If the population were ignorant , one of the principles on which they regularly acted was this— " Si populus mitt decipi , docipiatur . " He considered that the Roman Catholics precluded themselves * hy the profession of such principles from aU assistance from British and Protestant resources . Besides , he could not see how our assistance could be reasonably demanded for the endowment of Maynooth , when £ 10 , 000 a-year was regularly sent to the Propaganda at Lyons from Ireland , and yet not a penny was subscribed for their own college at Maynooth . He was afraid that college was under the management of the Jesuits , a society which , at one time or other , had been expelled from every country in Europe except our own , as arrant disturbers of the public peace . He deprecated the introduction of this measure at the present moment , inasmuch as the rejection of it might , if Sir C . Napier ' s anticipations of a war with America were correct , add to the dangers arising from external enmity all the evils of internal
dissension . Mr . Pakington _replied'to the arguments ofthe preceding speaker , and contended that he had not proved that the Roman Catholics of Ireland were able to supply the sum of £ 17 , 000 a-year , which was necessary at present to to put the College of Maynooth into a comfortable and dig nified position . He then adverted to the speech delivered by "Mr . Macaulay on the preceding night , and observed that he was sorry to hear the narrow party grounds on which he had argued a question involving high national considerations on the one hand , and high religious scruples on the other . He insisted that the
charges which Mr . Macaulay bad brought forward against the Conservative Government were perfectly unfounded . He denied that it had ever raised the cry of " No Popery " to embarrass the late Administration during the time when the members of it were in Opposition . Adverting more particularly to the measure itself , which he described as a great act of justice and generosity , he said , that he gave it his support on two grounds , —that it was impossible to leave the College of Maynooth on the footing on which it now stood , and that it was a step in that system of conciliation which every wise Government must pursue in future towards Ireland .
Mr . Stewart was surprised to hear the declaration of Mr . _Paldngton that the Conservative Government had never , when they were in opposition , raised the cry of "No Popery" against their predecessors in office . He wished that he could cite the Conservative constituencies into court , in order to prove from their confessions that the cry of "No Popery" was a weapon used with great effect against Whig candidates . Passing from that topic , he adverted to the bill before the house , which he condemned in the most unmeasured terms , and which , he trusted , would never pass into law . In giving the grant to the CoUege of Maynooth a permanent place in the statute-book , Parliament would be committing an act in opposition to that solemn protest into which this country
had entered against Popery . He contended , that as a measure of pacification , it would be a signal failure , and in proof of this position quoted a declaration of Mr . O'Connell , that he accepted it as the first fruits of fear , but that he was determined that it should not be the last He considered it to be a measure fraught with evil both to the Roman Catholic and to the Protestant portions of the community . It was fraught with evil to the Roman Catholics , for it encouraged hopes in their minds which he was sure no Government could realise ; and to the Protestants , for it had raised feelings of animosity in their hearts which it would take a long time to allay . If this biU should become law , the force of public opinion wonld speedily compel the Government to repeal it .
The Earl of Lincoln wished it to beuntierstoou' that he did not give to this measure a doubtful or hesitating support , but that he was deeply interested in its immediate and its ultimate success . He was convinced of it 6 wisdom , its justice , and its necessity , and could not understand how it could be resisted on the ground of its being inconsistent with religious principle . Those who rejected it on that ground , must also refuse their assent to thc original grant to the College of Maynooth—they must withdraw their support from the Regium Donum , and they must withhold aU support from the institutions which we had for the support of religion in colonies professing a religious creed-different from our own . He showed that , as agitation had heen suppressed and the supremacy of the law had been vindicated , this was the time in which
this measure could be offered by the Government as a boon with grace , and could be accepted by tiie people as a benefit with gratitude . He reminded the house that , if it now rejected this measure , it could not restore affairs to the same condition in which they were before it was pro posed . It had now raised the hopes of the Roman-Catholics of Ire _« and . He implored it not to dash them mthlessly down to fhe ground , for , if it did , it would incur a heavy and serious _responsibility . He admitted that the vote which hewas about to give on this question was , in some respects , to him a very painful one . He _' should give it in opposition to the views of many of his constituents , whose religious feelings he revered and respected , and In opposition to the wishes of one to whom it would not be becoming in him , nor , indeed , was it necessary , further to allude , _P-unfitf , _howevsr , as his vote on this question
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must be , he should betray his duty to his country if he allowed those considerations to make him falter in the course which he had determined to pursue . He believed that the measure would tend to increase the prosperity of Ireland , and to produce political and reli gious peace in bath countries ; and , as such , he would give it his most cordial support . Lord Wobslev said that though he had presented 136 petitions from his constituents against this bill , and though he admitted that they were generaUy averse to it , he felt compelled by a sense of duty to give it his support , for he considered it to be a measure calculated to do inconceivable good to Ireland . In supporting the second reading , he wished it to be unilerstood that he gave no opinion as to the source whence the funds were to come . .. .-.-,. ,. _» .
Mr . M . Milnes declared his intention to support this bill , both for what it was and for what it _promised-to the people of Ireland . Last year he had placed upon the books a resolution that to endow the Roman . Catholic priests of that country would be a measure of wise and just policy ; and when he went down to visit his constituents , he received from them a reception not very unlike that which Sir R . Peel's bill on this subject had received from the constituency at large . He then entered into a defence of " the innocency " of fhe present measure ,, which he said was supported by every practical statesman , anil was opposed only by the pious theorists ofthe closet .
Mr . Serjeant Murphy defended the Roman Catholic clergy of Ireland from the imputations which had been cast upon them by Mr . Colquhoun and those who had followed in his train . The right hon . member for Perth ( Mr . P . Maule ) last night quoted the authority of a Mr . James Grant , who had paid a recent visit to Ireland , and written a book , in which he bore testimony to the very comfortable appointments aud conditions of the students of Maynooth , and which he seemed to exaggerate considerably . But , as that gentleman was a Scotchman , perhaps the mere wearing of apair of trousers was considered by him as a great luxury . ( Laughter . ) "Now , he happened to have before him a book written by the same person some few years ago , from which he would make a few quotations , to show the sort of value that ought to be placed upon the descriptions given b y this eminent Scotch
traveller , and what notions hewas able to form of comfort , clothing , and dress . ( The hon . and learned member then proceeded to read some passages , which , on account ofthe broad disparity between the attempted portraitures and the persons , excited universalmerriment in the house . ) To begin , deturdigniori , with the right hon . baronet , whom the writer thus graphically described : — " His usual dress is a green surtout . " ( A loud burst of laughter . ) "A light waistcoat and dark trousers . " ( Renewedlaiighter . ) " He generally displays a large chain on his _breast , with a bunch of gold seals of unusually large dimensions . " ( Laughter . ) He could not say whether this would he regarded as a foul calumny or not ; but the _writerjwent
onto say— "lean scarcely call him a dandy ; yet he sacrifices a great deal to the graces . And for my part I hardly know any public man who dresses in better taste . " ( Roars of laughter . ) That was the description given of the right hon . baronet . On turning over the pages he came to another description , which appeared to be underlined ; it was of the gallant officer the member for Lincoln . ( Laughter . ) As the gallant officer received the allusion in the same good humour in which it was intended , he should make no bones of reading the passage : — "His countenance is altogether unique . " ( Laughter . ) " It stood out in broad relief from the coun tcnances of all the other members . Two or three
senators rejoice in tufts , a few in whiskers of decent proportions ; -but , compared with the moustaches and whiskerof the gallant colonel , one feels indignant that they should be dignified by the name . You hardly know whether he has a _mtuth or not , it is so completely buried amidst the surrounding crop of hair , until he begins to speak . " ( Great laughter . ' ) ' "He is extremely proud of his whiskers and moustaches . " ( Repeated laughter . ) But mark the postscript : — " He would do and suffer a great deal for his party and his principles ; but , rather than lose his moustaches and whiskers , he would suffer Tories , constitution , and aU tobe scattered to the winds . " ( Loud laughter , in which the gallant colonel joined . ) But , to come to the other side of the house , there was a description given of the hon , member for Lambeth : — "He speaks pretty often ; generally on the details of some
apparently unimportant bill . I know no one great principle or measure with which he is identified . " ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) "He is a little man , with a round face , dark hair , and a dark complexion . ( Laughter . ) To finish these extracts ; the right hon . member for Perth , who rested so much on this writer , was thus described by him : — "He is a man of exceedingly graceful proportions , and of very retiring habits . " ( Prolonged laughter . ) Now , he ( Mr . Serjeant Murphy ) was quite certain that no hon . member who had heard those descriptions could doubt the authority quoted by the right hon . member for Perth on aU matters of dress , comfort , and convenience . ( Hear , and laughter . ) The people of Ireland did not receive this measure as a boon to the
Roman Catholic priests , but as an act of justice . He asked the house whether it was willing to dash the cup of promise from the lips of Ireland , and , if it were , whether it was prepared to meet the consequences of such insanity . He then proceeded to comment with great severity on the speech delivered by Dr . Croly at a public meeting held a day or two ago in ihe clfy of London , and ridiculed the notion of his considering the decapitation of Charles I . as a just judgment for his having married a Roman Catholic princess . He believed that the adoption of this measure would be most conducive to the interests of England and Ireland , while the rejection of it would create great and lasting animosity , and would endanger the peace of the two kingdoms .
Mr ti . nanmer opposeo , anu _inr . itoss _supponea ine bill . Mr . M . Gobe'observed that , if he could suppose . , that this bill impugned the principles of the Reformation , his opposition to it would be as warm as he now intended his support to be . But he saw no cause of opposition to it on religious grounds , and , therefore , as it appeared calculated to join England and Ireland together in peace and harmony , he should do everything in his power to promote its success . On the motion of Mr . Hamilton , the debate was then adjourned . Wednesdat , April 16 . Afterthe presentation of a great number of petitions against the Maynooth Bill , the adjourned debate was resumed by Mr . Hamilton , who opposed the bill , contending that the doctrines of Catholicism , as taught at Maynooth , were opposed to Divine truth , and civffly and socially alike pernicious .
Mr . E . Ellice gave his warm support to the bill , but would , nevertheless , support the amendment of which Mr . Ward had given notice that he would move in committee . Still , should that amendment be defeated , he would support the bill , as a measure of tardy justice to Ireland . He hoped the Government would persevere in the course they had begun , as far as they could do , without alarming the prejudices of the Protestants , and they would reap their reward in the increased happiness , ultimately , ofthe whole community . After some observations from Mr . Goring , Lord Ashlei admitted that if the measure should work weU it would be productive of great benefit in Ireland , by conciUating puttie _feeUng ; but , on the other hand , should it work iU , the result would be the destruction of the
Protestant Establishment . He objected to the bill , because it proceeded to endowment by Act of Parliament , and he believed the recognition by this bill of the Roman Catholic religion as one of the institutions ofthe State had sunk deeper into the minds ofthe English people than if they had increased the Maynooth grant to three times the amount . He could not see , if this bill were passed , how the house could refuse to endow the Roman Catholic Church ; for his part , were he to support the present measure , he should conceive himself bound in honour to support a subsequent proposition for the endowment of the Irish priesthood . Under these circumstances he would oppose a biU which he felt certain would not satisfy the Catholics of Ireland , but which , instead of promoting peace , would , in his opinion , exasperate strife , and lead to the most disastrous results .
The CHANCELLOBof the Exchequer said that , sincerely attached as he was to the Established Church , he could never bring himself to vote for any measure which could have a tendency to Injure It . The bill , however , Intro - duced no new principle , and he believed that the spirit of Protestantism was more likely to reach the minds of tbe Catholics through the medium of kindness than by neglect , depression , and ignorance , He believed tbat at the present moment fifty members could not be found who would vote against the ordinary grant to Maynooth , and it was clear , therefore , that the only course to be adopted was by a small pecuniary grant to raise the Maynooth establishment into decency and respect , and thereby to secure the gratitude , good-will , and tranquillity of the great body of the Irish people . If the present measure should be rejected , who would be responsible for the _tranquiUity of Ireland ? Let them censure—let them impeach the Ministry if they would j but he intreated that the house would not awaken passions which would exceed its power to subdue .
Sir W . _Clat warmly supported the bill , though he was aware it was objected to by a large body of his constituents . The grant , he contended , should be received as strictly given for educational purposes to the unjustly treated Roman Catholics of Ireland . Lord _Bebnabd had always opposed the Maynooth grant upon religious grounds , and for similar reasons he was decidedly opposed to the bill before the house , which he believed calculated to stop the progress of the reformed religion in Ireland . Sir J , _Babthope said that they had to govern Catholic Ireland , and the question was whether they were to govern it by justice , kindness ; and conciliation , or the contrarywhether , infect , they were to extend to eight millions of people that kind of assistance which they had a decided right to demand . Believing that they should govern Ireland in this spirit of justice , he would vote for a bill which was calculated to repress agitation , to inspire confidence , and produce the most beneficial results to _, the whole empire .
Lord Jocelyn looked upon this measure as one of purely civil polity , to which he would give his warmest and most cordial support . He denied that Sir R . Peel had been guilty of any inconsistency in bringing forward this measure . On the contrary , the right hon . baronet , on taking office , had acknowledged that Ireland would be his chief difficulty ; but that he would endeavour to govern that country in a spirit of impartiality and conciliation ; and it was in accordance with that pledge that he had brought the present measure under the consideration of _Parljament . Mr . Bbight condemned the intolerance displayed in fhe speech of Lord Bernard , whose notions Of the way in
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which Ireland should be governed were almost insane . He felt it necessary to say this , because he intended to yote on the ssme side as tbe noble lord , and was unwilling to be misunderstood . He objected to vote a sum of money out of the consolidated fund for a purpose which must ultimately lead to the establishment of another Church in Ireland . He looked upon this measure as a sop to the Irish priests to induce them to refrain from exposing to the eyes of Europe the deplorable situation of that wretched people—to become , in short , as tame as the Protestant priests of Suffolk and Dorsetshire , who saw incendiary fires spreading around them without having the courage to caU public attention to the miserable condition Of the people . -. , J -V ... U . _ . -i . _«» A « A
lord J . Manners felt himself called upon to take his share of any odium incurred by the Government in bringing forward this measure of just concession , which he could not believe calculated in any way to endanger the Established Church . He admitted that _, the Irish Esta-Wished Church was in danger , but that danger emanated from her own sons , who pursued a course likely to alienate the good wishes of aU other communities . Poor and miserableas ivastheprovisionforMaynooth , ithad answered , at least , the chief purpose for which it was established ,
by educating a priesthood under whose tutelage the men had not become less sober nor the women less chaste than under the ancient regime . That priesthood had indeed displayed a zeal , a single-minded devotion and perseverance in the execution of their vocation , which it might be well if the pastors of other faiths would imitate . Ho looked upon the bill not only as an olive branch held out to Catholic Ireland , but as a pledge of good feeling wliich would win the best feelings of the Catholics towards their Protestant fellow-subjects , and lead to the adoption of more favourable impressions of the reformed religion .
Mr . _RuxHEBruBD supported the second reading of the bill . Mr . Smythe , in supporting the bill , said he had two years ago brought considerable odium on himself by suggesting a measure of this description . He remembered that he had then drawn down upon himself some obloquy from gentlemen who stated that concession had already reached its limits ; and he recollected that he had been attacked by the noble lord the member for Liverpool in particular , He could assure the noble lord , however , that he did not remember the attack for its severity . The noble lord had then spoken of the rashness and the forwardness of youth , and he believed that if he were so minded he might at present retort upon the noble lord , by reminding him of the rashness and the forwardnes of
riper age , and of the proverbial extravagances of late conversions . Butthe noble lord was privileged to change his opinions , and he should take his revenge of the noble lord by saying , that if ho were the worse courtier , hehad proved himself the better judge . The right hon . gentleman had , in his opinion , been justly characterised by the hon . member for Sheffield as the great doer of his age ; and as he had done emancipation , so , he believed , would he do Maynooth . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) For his part , he had not been deceived by the right hon . gentleman ' s adolescence ; and neither was he one of those , who believed , with his hon . friend the member for Shrewsbury , that the right hon . gentleman was the enemy of Ireland , although it might be a question whether Ireland were not the enemy ofthe right hon . gentleman . Among the contrasts which the long career ofthe rig ht hon . gentleman afforded , there was none which historyjwould deal with so
leniently , or record so favourably , as the contrast between Mr . Secretary Peel and the Prime Minister Sir Robert Peel . ( Hear , hear . ) The young and proscribing par . tisan had become the clement and beneficent ruler ; the young Octavius of intolerance was merged in the Augustus of conciliation . ( Hear hear . ) The right hon . baronet might in tliat matter rely upon the sincerity of his ( Mr . Smythe ' s ) congratulations , because he knew full well how much they would cost him . He knew too well how much odium he had before incurred with an archiepiscopal constituency by his previous suggestions upon that subject , not to be quite certain that he would again be at issue with that archiepiscopal constituency . Similar feelings might , he thought , be excited upon other subjects . There was , for instance , something suspicious , to say tbe least of it , in the ethics of Oxford . Suppose they were to take the following line of
Euripides" My tongue has sworn it , but my mind is unsworn , " and apply it to certain articles : suppose they were to take a passage from Terence , which he could mention ; an ode from Catullus , a sentence from Plato , and a morality , it was his belief that it would then be quite as easy to affright the Wesleyans and to alarm the Independents as by raising the "No Popery" cry in the present instance . Then away with that one-sided phraseology—with that hypocrisy which objected to books of devotion catecliGtically distributed , but flung them broad-cast among children—which strained at the calendar , but swallowed the mythology . He was aware that it would be as easy to get up a '' No Popery" cry now as it would have been in 1807 , or 1827 , or 1829 ; and he only wished it were under the control of such men as the noble lord the member for
Borsetshire ( Lord Ashley ) , who had addressed them that evening with that great ability , and that grave sense of responsibility , whieh distinguished every speech of that noble lord . But that was not the case ; and he wished that some of the " No Popery" enthusiasts—he did not mean to say that there were any of those enthusiasts m that house—would look back and pass in review aU the men they had believed in from Titus Oates to Lord George Gordon , and from Lord George Gordon to our own times ; and then he thought that they would see with him that all the superstition had not been on one side . ( Hear , hear . ) One result , at least , he had no doubt would _foUow from that retrospect ; and it was , that those persons would find out that they had been always betrayed by their own leaders . The moment a great Protestant
champion entered that house , still flushed with the plaudits of Exeter HaU—with the Doxology , perhaps , still ringing in his ears , and determined to carry everything before him , it happened somehow or other that their common sense acted upon him as religion did upon a dervishhe went round ( hear , hear , and laughter ) : he kicked a little , but still lie went round . It was a Parliamentary polka , which the whole of that ( the ministerial ) bench , from the right hon . gentleman the member for the Universify of Cambridge ( the Chancellor of the Exchequer ) to the hon . member for Selkirkshire ( Mr . Pringle ) were practising , ( Renewed cries of "hear , hear , " and laughter . ) And it was that going round pf the great Parliamentary leaders ofthe great Protestant champions in that house , which rendered the "No Popery" agitation ,
notwithstanding all its zeal , and all its earnestness , and ail its respectability—for earnestness and respectability were to his mind synonymous—it was that which rendered the agitation utterly null and inefficient . But there had arisen of late years another agitation also in some sort in opposition to that grant , which , for want of a better name , he should _eharaeteriBe as the Anglican opposition . It was weak in that house , but it was strong in dialecticians and in reasoners ; it was strong among- young men , and it was strong in the universities . It had been supposed , up to Friday last , that it was represented by his right hon . friend the member for Newark ( Mr . Gladstone ) . It had been supposed also that it had received an Hlustration by his retirement from office ; and there were many who would have been ready to apply to hi 6 right hon _.
friend the words "de eivitate decidere nutlutt quam de sententia ; " he retired from power rather than desert his convictions . The right hon . gentleman had addressed the house upon the present question on Friday last ; but in that abstract phraseology in which he had clouded hi 6 mysterious divinity . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) There was only one phrase intelligible to vulgar mortals like him ( Mr . ( Smythe ); and it was that in which the right hon . gentleman had declared that , notwithstanding his most cherished convictions , he should vote in favour of that measure . It was quite clear , therefore , that his " most cherished convictions" and his vote would be at issue . But about a mere vulgar vote the right hon , gentleman probably cared little , as upon that very question he had voted all ways . He had first of all
voted against the grant ; he had afterwards voted in its favour ; and when the measure involving an increased grant had come to a first reading he had not voted at all ; and now that they had arrived at the second reading of the bUl the right hon . gentleman was prepared to vote in favour of it . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) But was any gentleman quite certain—nay , was the right hon . gentleman himself ( Hlite certain , that on the third reading he should not find equally good reasons fbr voting against the measure 1 ( Renewed laughter . ) "With regard to the right honourable gentleman ' s " most cherished convictions" he should be permitted to say one word j and that was that those " convictions" were not " cherished" by himself alone , but that they were " cherished" by many converts whom he himself had made , and by many fanatics
whose reason his eloquence had helped to fascinate . And what was their position ? "What was the principle laid down by them ? It was an old enemy ivith a new face . It was the worst princi ple of absolutism disguised in the worst language of the Jesuits ; it was the principle of Alva in the language of Escobar . It begun in the fiction that because the State had once pledged itself to one particular system , it was bound to perpetuate that system , and to exclude all others for all times . Now , if that were true , it should be universally true ; and if that principle had prevailed in this country , they would at this moment have the Ptolemaic system followed in their observatory ; and Sir Isaac Newton would not only be known , as the right hon . gentleman mi ght be known , as a crotchetty theologian , but a capital Master ofthe Mint
( Much laughter . ) But if that principle began in fiction it ended in pains and penalties ; if it began in sophistry it ended in persecution . It was , in one word , the old vicious , cruel , and effete principle of uniformity , ( Hear ' hear . ) And whether the right hon . gentleman areued against or in favour of that principle , it appeared to him ( Mr . Smythe ) that his position was equally _untenable The right hon . gentleman the First Lord of the Treasuvv had supported the introduction of his measure bv what the hon . member for the University of Lublin hJdxil "the colonial argument ; " and he ( Mr . Sn _Jhe ) sheila certainly say , that as _Presbyterianism had b 2 fo , _tw last 150 years endowed in Scotland , as _PresbvTeril -kai-iv . »« . n . i- in t . _» i . _ j __ ., .. ' - _""oytenanism had been paid in Ireland
, and as they had _fiT principle of toleration in the vast peninsula _» !? might find in the general policy * ft _? _££ _* _%£ cient answer to any attempt to _intrndnnp _;™ ? . 8 uffiuniformity at the _presentl y . ££ K ST * ° tleman , or rather the right hon auttmr i I _^ gen > his own ; he had been daSed X _Z _' I yiS ion of eleven years , when , to use _nis own _S / T _" o / Church had exelu ive _possession _^/^ 386010 _^ " the Parliament . " And whe rdid Z _^ PreCinCtS of that time been ? _HfiSTit W- _^ 8 Uppose had _bethl or in the _reign' _^ f he rei _«* _<* Elfcaof that Consul Plancus _SriL o or in the reign had it been in flK £ _, _% _* ? \ _» Or rtign ot Charles the Second—that
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was to soy , at the period when England had been the minion of France , and _' when Ireland had been treated as a conquest , and when an energetic member of the very energetic family of Graham ( a laugh ) was sabreing the Cameronians and dragooning Scotland into episcopacy 1 Wliich of these periods , he would ask , offered the anni _-nirabilis of the right hon . gentleman . In reply to the arguments of the right hon . - gentleman , he would fain address him in the language which had been made use of by a great minister to a great theologian and author . Colbert had said to Bossuet , when the latter had been urging those arguments which eventually led to the revocation of the edict of Nantes , " All this belongs to your conscience of the Sorbonne ; there is another conscience within you , let that speak , " ( Hear , hear . ) He would _«> _ne tn gov nt . * _ho * _noinn-r _1 wrion _'Rnfrln-rwl _"hn-rl hppil thft
say to the right hon . gentleman , "All this belongs to your conscience of Oxford ; there is another conscience within you , let that speak . " It would tell him to put things before him more broadly and more to the purpose ; it would tell him that an ardent and susceptible people , whose alliance with their priesthood had been solemnised in the midst of tribulation and misfortune , was not to be divorced from them on the first dawn of a happier day . Not open violence—not the vicious perfection of the law , not aims bills , not coercion bills , not laws of mortmain , by which they had been harassed , not _ci-prcs constructions by which they had been robbed—not one of these things had been able to put asunder these whom persecution had joined together . Those also would fail with all then * euphuism who hoped to disarm the Irish priest by making him a gentleman . A gentleman ; that is , something more of the abbe and
something less of the cure—sometliing more of thc chaplain and something less of the priest—somebody who would look more to the patron , and care less for the poor ; in a word , a man of the world , but not of the next world . ( Hear , and laughter . ) This design would also fail ; for , if it should succeed , he p itied their short-sightedness . He had himself seen the prelacy of Ireland in a day of great solemnity at Maynooth—plain men , poor men ; and the same euphuism might perhaps have branded them as vulgar men , without that splendour and array for which the Church of Home had been so much reprobated . No pomp ; no representation ; but he ivas wrong ; there ivas a representation not of so many thousands a year , but of so many millions of souls . It is these men ( continued the hon , member ) whom the right hon . baronet has made his friends . Tliey will remember that , notwithstanding a powerful opposition , the right hon , baronet brought forward a measure of conciliation without restriction .
( Cheers , ) In that hour of emergency and crisis whieh those who look at nations , and not at cabinets , know cannot be far distant—in that hour of emergency and crisis , when your entente cordidle with France will fail , as it surely will , you will have an entente cordidle ivith Ireland , to supply its place . ( Loud cheers . ) In that day the right hon , baronet , when he shall be called to rally round him the energies of this mighty empire—for he alone , notwithstanding all this temporary clamour , represents those requirements which such a crisis demands ( renewed cheers )—when he shall be called on to rally round him the energies of this mighty empire , he will be able to adopt to the enemies of England , be they at Washington , or be they at Paris , the solemn and beautiful language of the noble lord the member for the City of London , " Our Queen reigns over a united people . " ( The hon . member resumed his seat amidst loud and general cheering , which lasted for some minutes . )
Mr . Reoington also supported the bill , giving , as an Irish Catholic , every credit to Sh' R . Peel for the liberal course he was about to adopt towards Maynooth , Mr . C . Bkuce then moved the adjournment of the de . bate . Colonel _Slbthrop , who rose at the same time , Immediately resumed his seat amid loud cries for him to proceed . Colonel Sibthorp ( with much emphasis ) . —I shall not speak upon this question except in the presence of the hon , and learned member for Cork ( Serjeant Murphy , ) ( Laughter . ) The debate was then adjourned . The Auction Duties Repeal Bill , and the Sugar Bill , were read a third time and passed . The other orders of the day were then disposed of , and the house adjourned at half-past twelve o'clock , _TnnnsDAy , April 17 . THE MAVNOOTH GRANT .
Colonel Sibthokp moved that there be laid before this house a return ofthe numbers of petitions that have been presented for and against the present proposal on the partof her Majesty ' s Government , of an increased grant out of the Consolidated Fund tothe College of Maynooth in Ireland , with the number of signatures annexed thereto . Mr . Thom * i , - £ - i said , that on Tuesday last the Committee made it 6 last report , and the number of petitions up to that date presented against the Maynooth grant were 671 , to which there were attached 88 , 378 signatures . A further report would be made at a proper period , hut it would be perfectly impracticable to comply with the hon . and gallant member ' s motion before that time arrived . Colonel Sibthorp , —What can't be done can't be done . ( Laughter . ) The hon , and gallant officer then withdrew his motion .
CALICO print WOBKB BIU . _LordAsB-ue-r , on going Into Committee On the _OalicoPriftt Works Bill , moved that it be an instruction to the Committee , that they have power to exteud tiie provisions of the bill to the regulation of the labour of young persons and women , and to all print works , and to thc processes incidental to the labour in print works . —Agreed to . The bill was then re-committed to Wednesday next , and ordered to be printed .
THE ADJOURNED DEBATE was opened by Mr , Bruce , who opposed the bill . Britain had prospered by her adherence to Protestantism , and would suffer if she abandoned her religious principles . With regard to the argument that the present measure was necessary to carry out the implied faith of the Act of Union , and the spirit ofthe Emancipation Act , he must say that he did not think the endowment of tho Catholic Church was part of either . The grant to Maynooth by the Irish Parliament was a measure for the removal of civil disabilities ; but it would be absurd to say that the present measure could be looked upon in that light . He thought thatthe Irish Parliament were wrong in passing that measure ; but their conduct would be much worse , and they would be more guilty , by agreeing to the present measure , for it was of a much graver and more serious character .
Sir George Gret supported the motion , and considered it the first great step in the road of conciliation . He was much gratified to witness the leaders on both sides of the house joining together and admitting the policy and propriety of passing the present measure . It would no doubt lead to a better state of things in Ireland , and tend to the dev _elopement of _amorc liberal Christian feeling between religious parties . Hitherto the Roman Catholics hod been unfairly treated . At the time ofthe Reformation their property had been seized on and appropriated to the support of another religion that was established in opposition to the great mass of the people . The Hindoos and Mahometans in the eastern possessions ofthe empire had been much better treated , in regard to religious matters , than the people of Ireland . Cm ,. Sibthorp wished the indulgence of the house _whUe lie offered a few words on this most important subject . He would supportthe amendment ofthe hon . member for Newcastle ( Mr , Colquhoun ) . Quotations had
been made m reference to him , from the book of Mr . Grant the other eveuing by tbe hon . and learned member for Cork ( Mr . Serjeant Murphy ) , which , in his opinion , were most unbecoming aud out of place , on so grave a subject as the one under tbe consideration ofthe house _. He never saw so much levity displayed on a great question , as that exhibited by the hon . member . He ( Col . Sibthorp ) never made a merry Andrew of himself , as that gentleman had most certainly done , on the occasion alluded to . ( Great laughter . ) He never would support any man in such a measure as that now proposed ; and though the hon . and learned member for Cork had told him that he would sooner sacrifice his principles than be shaved , he told that hon , and learned gentleman that he would rather not only be 6 haved , but have his head shaved off , than forget he was a Protestant , or the faith in which he was educated . ( Great laughter . ) He would give all the opposition in his power tothe Government , in such a measure as the present .
Mr . Biacxstone delivered himself very strongly against the bin . Mr . Rice would support the measure , because it would tend to the education ahd enlightenment of the Roman Catholic priesthood ; thus enabling them to exercise a healthy moral influence over the Irish people , and tend to the cementing ofthe union between the two countries . Mr , _^ Plchptre said the interests of religion were deeply involved in the present question . If they were not so involved he , for one , should take very little interest in the subject , It was because the Protestant religion was threatened by the bill introduced by her Majesty ' s Government , that he resolved to give it his most decided opposition . The endowment of Maynooth was but the prelude to the general endowment ofthe Roman Catholic religion .
Mr . Tre-gawhet was opposed to all church endow . _me- _* _ts whatever , but bethought there were exceptions in the case of Maynooth , and peculiar circumstances in regard to Ireland , that should be considered in estimating of the present measure . On these grounds he should support the motion . Lord Courtne * supported the measure because he thought it would tend to the spiritual elevation ofthe people of Ireland , and also tend to the temporal improvement of that country . Mr . W . Martin , Mr . Morgan Tute , and Mr . Carew , briefl y expressed themselves in favour of the bill . Lord _Levison supported the measure . Mr . Spooner spoke at considerable length against the bill . As the representative of a large community who were much opposed to the grant to Maynooth , he should most certainly _yote against it .
Sir J . Graham said he had never objected to any pro . position for the endowment of the Roman Catholics of Ireland , and he now supported the bill / after the most serious and mature deliberation . After great deliberation in 1795 , the CoUege of Maynooth was established * The principle waa then conceded , and the present measure was only an extension of it . He could not agree with the hon . member for Birmingham , that the Roman Catholic religion was an awful delusion , though there might be errors connected with it , The object of the measure was to elevate the standard of education amone the priesthood ; and he had the strongest feeling that if it was adopted , the part injurious would be forgotten and it would be the harbinger of more peaceful and ban ' pier days , ¦ _* "
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Mr . Maciean opposed the measure at some _km-mi on the ground that it was . a violation of the constiti f and would prove inimical to the Protestant religion ' mj regretted that on a former occasion he said that " ¦ cession had reached its limits , " and now begged to w _* thh draw the offensive expression . The debate was then adjourned . The orders of the day were then disposed of anil ti l house rose at half past twelve o ' cloek . ' _Trfr _. _~ M ACT _. T-AW _fiTlTlfiKetl the mPM « ii _* r *« « . _*
Fbidat , Aprii . 18 , Afterthe presentation of a great number _oF _petitio ** against the Maynooth Bill , the adjourned debate was r _" _- " sumedby ' ee Mr . S . Crawjow ) said he advocated the voluntary _*¦•; ciple , and objected to all grants from the national ianM to any church whatever . This grant must be viewed ! a permanent endowment of a college of the Oath _i- ' Church , to a certain extent , and it had been ac _*( ledgedby several members that it could not b e _expenVl that the endowment of the Catholic Church would st at that endowment of the college . It was not _rcasonuM ? to expect tbat it should do so , and it was very _reasonatt 1 to expect that all other sects would claim a similar endowment . He was of opinion that the voluntary Prj ciple must prevail at no distant day . He was a ware ti "tl thc Catholic clergy had on different occasions denied _thatu they would accept State grants , but he could not _uim while the Catholic
think that clergy accepted th- - grant for Maynooth , they would , on some future _occasion accept aid for themselves . The language that _h-niij been used by the hon . member for Cork in the Kepu ' alil Association , and by some hon . members in thehouse \ _n _** grounded on tbe principle of restitution , Tithes _woree originally in the hands of the Catholic Church , ami jfif this grant was to be given on the principle of restitution i it might be carried so far as to restore Hie Church . _Xoo one was more hostile than he was to the Irish Established ! Church . He thought it a grievance of a monstrous character that the whole revenues , originally applied for _«—clesiastical purposes , should be monopolised in the _liantlss of a small faction ; but at the same time he was not onee that would take the revenues of that Church to establish ,- ,, another Church . If the revenues were to be taken fromi the Church , he would demand that they should be approa printed to national purposes , but lie never would agreee that they should be appropriated to another Churelu . It was wholly contrary to the former declarations of tint
Roman Catholics , that they should accept of money whicli was extorted from the pockets of the people of England ! as a means of supporting their religion in any way whatt ever ; and most undoubtedly there never had been sucli perfect unanimity shown iu opposition to any measure ass had been excited against that which was under discus * sion ; and he contended that an extension of the civil ] rights of the people of Ireland would have done mucin more good than any increase to the grant of Maynooth ; . in his opinion , it would be most degrading to the peoplei of that country , in the manner in whicli it appeared itt would be accepted by their leaders . He most decidedly ? muse oppose any grant of money to any college which wasi of an exclusive character , and surely , if the Komaui Catholic Church required that their priests should _bei educated in a coUege by themselves , it was not too much ! to expect that they should maintain it themselves . As a . friend to Ireland , and as a warm friend to civil aiid religious liberty , he would give his vote against the second _, reading of the bill .
Lord C . Hamilton supported the bill , reminding the : house that the 000 , 000 dissenters in Ireland received noi less than £ 35 , 000 of the public money , while the Roman Catholics , numbering seven millions , received only £ ' m 0 .. On every ground of policy and justice he thought the Mill should be agreed to . Mr . Muntz opposed the bill , because he was averse toi h'urch endowments of every description . If they wanted ! education , let them ask for a grant as extensive as they liked , and he would give it his ardent support . Don ' t let ; them , however , tell him that this was a grant for educational purposes . Education , forsooth f Education off whom ? Why , of a few Roman Catholic priests .. ( Hear ,, hear , ) And who would these priests educate 1 . Couldl any _gentlemun in Ireland , or elsewhere , inform him tliat ;
it was the principle and the practice ofthe Romish priesui to communicate the education which they received to thos I who were their flocks . Did they educate them in the Holy Scriptures , except upon their own plan and principle , or invite them to think for themselves ? ( Hear , hear . ) He was deeply anxious that all men should receive an education ; but one broad principle was , that he would nev « consent to pay for another man ' s religion . ( Cheers , ) The proposition now before the house would create no satisfaction . It would disappoint the whole country , aud give satisfaction to nobody . Therefore , he should oppose the paltry , pitiful measure . One extraordinary reason which had been advanced in its support was fiat alleged by the noble lord the member for _Sottin- 'hamshire , who said that inasmuch as the Government had
thought fit to hold up the cup of bliss to the lips of thc Roman Catholics , tliis house was not justified in dasMn * it away . What ! were the House of Commons of England —the representatives of the people—to he told bv any minister that they had not the right to judge of the measures of that minister ? No ; sooner than do that , it would be far better that they should at _oiiet return to their comfortable firesides , for the llouse of Commons would no longer be of any use—their occupation was gone . The minister might govern as a despot , and the sooner the country knew it the better , ( Chccis _. ) Ii the people of Ireland wanted then- priests to he ivell educated , why did they not do it themselves ? That ( -mstion had not yet been answered . It had been stated that
upwards of six millions a year was spent out of Ireland by absentees . Ifthatwasthe case , were the people ef England to be blamed for refusing to contribute their money for the education ofthe priests ? Now , the people of this country had a great feeling on this question , and he considered that they were quite right ; for there was a strong disposition existing to go over to the Catholic faith . The places of worship in connection with that faitli were much increasing , and its professors endeavoured to make proselytes wherever they could . But , though he was an advocate for religious liberty , he would uot consent to pay for their support . He thought thc free exercise of their religion was enough , without the people of England being called on to pay for its support uut of the consolidated fund . ( Cheers . )
Mr . Neviue advocated the necessity of improving the character and efficiency of the College of Maynooth . Mr . Bemew , in supporting the bill , denied that the Catholic priesthood were at all desirous of endowment . Captain Tailor , in opposing the bill , said that the beaten down and dispirited condition of the Protestants of Ireland was to be attributed to their having been betrayed by those leaders whom they had raised to nower by their exertions . Sir F . Trench advocated the course pursued by Shit . Peel in reference to this measure , which he warmly supported .
Mr . Cobden had carefull y examined the bill , and could find nothing in it to justify Mr . Muntz in designating it as a trap into which the liberal members supporting the bill had fallen ; nor could he see anything to warrant theassertion that there was any intention of endowing the Roman Catholic religion . The grant appeared to he entirely for the purposes of education . The whole ( luestion resolved itself into one of £ 17 , 000 in addition to the ordinary grant of £ 0000 , and he firmly believed that the excitement raised against it had no parallel in the history of pettifogging persecution . He would not only support the present biU , but he would also vote for a grant for academical institutions , provided they weie to be founded oa sound principles , and were to he colleges for the diffusion of useful knowledge . Like many otliw hon . members who meant to support the bill , he had received numerous communications informing him that lie was about to give a bad vote . It would , however , be a conscientious one ia favour of a people and a country for whose sufferings lie had always felt the deepest sympathy . ( Continued in our fifth page . )
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Greenock Election . —Glasgow , Aprii , 17 . —Mr . Walter Baine was this dav elected member lor Greenock , in opposition to Mr . Alexander Dunlop , by a majority of six . The _nniaU-w were-Por Mr . Baine 350 Mr . Dunlop U _4 Majority —6 Both candidatesare Liberals , and advocates of free trade . Mr . Dunlop appeared as an opponent ot r «« Maynooth grant , and the election turned _cutir el-r oo this point , Mi * . Baine having declared hin iselt in favour of the measure . Mi * . Dunlop was not _^ than two days in the field , or the groat probability » that he would have carried his election .
Extraordinary Longeviiv.—Died, Iu The Ne...
Extraordinary _LoNGEviiv . —Died , iu the neig hbourhood of Four-Mile-Water , Mrs . Sweny , aged 129 years . The deceased was born in the year 1 / 1 _«* the second year ofthe reign of George the First , an « consequently lived through the reign of five _monarch —Waterford Mail ,
Bankrupts. / " .Front Friday's Gazette, ...
BANKRUPTS . / " . Front Friday ' s Gazette , April 18 J „ William Bristow Sterry , sail-maker , Jamaica-row , vc mondsey . —Thomas Popkins Hees , _h'on-merchaut _. _CrooK lane-chamhers , King William-street , City . _—Wilham _^ demood _, grocer , _High-street , _Soutlnvark . -Jo >> _*?* J saddle-tree-maker , Houen-street , Wardour _. stree t _, _* on" _- Thomas Holbrook Coyle , wine-merchant , _A-rgyIe-s tre « _- John Pickering , general-dealer , Comhury-place , « w _» e sti road . —Charles "Mousley Firth , lithographic P r c „' . Michael _' s-alley , Cornhill .-Henry Polley Cook , l » w _™ Coggeshall , Essex .-John Warden Sprague , grocer , row Dorsetshire . —Joseph long , linendraper , Tavistock , new shire . —Thomas Jones , corn-dealer , Liverpool . —* * ¦ _** ' » Frederick Stanley Isherwood , engraver to calico V _xJ Hulme , Lancashire . —John "Williams , carpen ter , ¦ gavenny , Monmouthshire . —Joseph Hill , hatter , S'n > ¦ William Parsons , brewer , Bristol .
Printed Hy Dougal M'Gowan, Of 17, Grsat Windm^ Street, Haymarket, In Fhe City Of Wedtminsteri » L
Printed hy DOUGAL M'GOWAN , of 17 , _Grsat Windm _^ street , Haymarket , in fhe City of _Wedtminsteri »
Office Ia Ihe Same Street And Parish, Fo...
Office ia ihe same Street and Parish , for tne prietor , FEARGUS O'CONNOR , Esq ., _* _mdpuW shea _J > Wih . uk Etewn-r , of No . 18 , Charles-street , - _" " * gtreet , Walworth , in the Parish of St . Mary , Ne * _» ton , in the County of Surrey , at the Office . So .- ' Strand , in the Parish of St . Mary-le-St _* _-a ad - ' * 3 _ityofWesto : ' nster r Saturday , April 19 , 1815 .
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Northern Star (1837-1852), April 19, 1845, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_19041845/page/8/
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