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[[ABCtocH 20, 1847. THE NORTHERN STAR, 7
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[[Abctoch 20, 1847. The Northern Star, 7
[[ ABCtocH 20 , 1847 . THE NORTHERN STAR , 7
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EE AHE AMERICAN AGRARIAN _RErOriME-RD . 53 EAT 1 SEAT _PRCORES 3 OF THK _AaBAMAXS . _-BlOW-PF OF A BASS . ' That That our American friends did wisely and well in rrertbrrertbrowing Whitney and his gang , no man who is oot _kn-ot knave or fool will dispute . Confident of this we _rrereswe surprised and vexed to observe that the Aem tort Tort _Trihme . wbBe _admittingthejusticeaniTeason * t _( he 4 the Agrarian resolutions _neverthelm condemned he corhe conduct of those who had caused the adoption by Ihe whe meeting of the said resolutions . The _Tnbune _ireueJlrgued that Whitney and bis gang "having hired but 'The "Tahernacle / had a right to dotbeir own business an _thein their own way , and thatthe Agrarian Reformers mad nuad no right to interrupt the proceedings , take _poseessioiessionof the hall , and turn the meeting to their mwn swn account" This is soon answered . _^ Whitney imd hind his as « ociates called a _;>« N « e meeting ot the
iitizeritizens of New Yrrk to consider his project , and the meetineeting was presided over by the head _mun-cipal _iifficenfficer of the city—the mayor ; tbe object , therefore , mrastiras to obtain the sanction of the citizens of New SforkFork for tbe projected railway , and had Whitney _iiliad trad tbines all his own way . had there been no oppolutior-ition , or bad the opposersbeen defeated , the rascally _Dtnontmoney-jncglers press would have trumpeted the tmeetmeeting as a declaration ofthe citizens of New Tork iin sin support of Whitney ' s scheme . The Agrarian IRefoReformers were fully justified in the course they ¦ _puTspnrsued , nay more , they would have been guilty of Itreatreason to _^ _themselves had they neglected the _perifornformance of what was clearly the duty of each and _: all-all—attendance at tbe meeting / for the purpose of esniexnressiniT their views as to Whitney ' s project .
T This subject 13 _interesting to us because the working ing men of this country have been often placed in the like like circumstances , and have suffered the like abuse to tto that now heaped noon tbe American Reformers by tbe the hireling press of New York . The infamous freeboo !» ot ? rs , in their late a gitation forvthe repeal of the "Co "Corn Laws , for a considerable time ventured to call pnl public and towns' meetings in support of their delusk sion : when and wherever they did to the Chartists pp properly attended the meetings , quietly heard the Lt _Lea-ne liars , then moved their " amendments , ' and in invariably carried those " amendments" _against the re resolutions offered by the Leaguers . Then did tbe to town and eonntry press ring with _denunciations of tl the Chartists for taking possession of rooms they had
oi not hired , and directing meeting- * tbey had not eonv Tenen . Abuse , however , and _evan ruffianism supera added , did not prevent the Chartists doing t their duty , so the freebooters finding that the « only result of their public meeting was to cover i themselves with infamy and promote tbe _agit tation for the Charter , skulked into boles and < -corners , and henceforth tbe agitation for Free _"*] Trade was carried on within elosed doors . To 1 their meetings there was no admission but by tickets , -s -asd strong bodies of police were constantly in attend--f -ance _, to pounce upon any stray individual who might i exhibit ihe-boldness of _renturiD-j to contest tbeimpu _* i dent assumptions and lying assertions of Cobden , : Bright and Co . Probably Whitney and his gang - -will have recourse to the same system of eliciting
"ihe free expression of public opinion . " If so , as long as the meetings profess to be merely meetings of friends ofthe scheme , we do not _seehow the _workine men of New York can well meddle * ith them ; but if the schemers get up "ticket meetings" and dare to call them " public" or " city" meetings , we trust tbat the American WOrkiHg _* men will stand no nonsense , tmt will find their way info the said meetines "peaceably if they can , but forcibly if they _must . " We shall now proceed to notice the mrettngs of the Agrarian Reformers in New York , and the progress < lf the ' r principles in other States . "We must fist notice the "Young Men ' s ( Agrarians ) Ball—a -plendid affair—wbich took place on Chrutmas eve , ia the large hall of" St . Tammany , " ¦ which was " densely crowded . "
From Young America we glean tbe following :- — In tbe supper saloon , after the repast , addresses were delivered by Dr Douglas and Mr Ryckman , which elicited tbe rapturous applause of both sexes , and the _foUoving toasts were given , ( without tbe old-fashioned accompaniment . ) The Declaration of Independence—May its sublime ¦ tenths and enlightened views of human rights be speedily reduce ! to practice . The Fonr _Measures of tbe National Reformers . A Free Press , properly conducted , tbe ouly arms , and the Ballot the only charge , Americans require with which to pain and guard their liberties . The "Will of the Majority fairly expressed—Ths only government we recognise , so long- as they ride in justice . Tbe Industrial Congress—In supporting it we aid in unities ; the working classes ofthe country , all tbat is necessary to make tbem free indeed .
George H . Evans—The father , guardian and self-sacrificing pioneer of National Reform . Tbe Ladies , and especially those who hare honored us with their presence—May they prove themselves worthy daughters of the noble women of ' 76 . The English Chartists—May they speedily gain their " six points . " The Fraternal Democrats of London—Mayiheday soon arrive when their motto —;* All mea are brethren , ** shall become a practical , lirioir , acting reality . TbeFiveEIermntsof liberty . Progress and Happi . ness—The Husband , Wife , Son , Daughter , and Inalienable Home . The Constitution of the Constitution of thi * United States *—A _landed Democracy .
The Democratic Principle—Always seeking a wise distribution in preference to an insane and rapacious aggregation of wealth ; to render Power the servant of its subjects ; to give just distribution to all men according to merit , instead of perpetuating obscure masses with a few persons of little worth , distinguished by heing elevated npon tbeir shoulders . The National Reformers of New York—They have planted the banner of human right upon the parapets of the strong-holds of ignorance and aristocracy . It henceforth will he the duty and glory of all heroic hearts to rally to sustain the sacred banner , until the garrison surrenders at discretion . We notice that a grand complimentary ball was to bs given to the Editor of Young America on the 25 th of February . We will notice the account of the hall as soon as it reaches us .
Young America in giving an account ofthe meeting of the Association held on the 27 th of January , reports tbat " William Weitling a celebrated German Reformer , who has suffered imprisonment and persecution for the people ' s cause in Germany , was preient , in pursuaace ofan invitation ofthe Association , and expressed his approbation ofthe cause . " Cheering reports of the progress of the Agrarian Reform movement up to the 13 th of February arc in our possession . These reports include Virginia , Massachusetts , Winsconsin , Illinois and Ohio . A correspondent of Young America writing from Cincinnati , says : —
The _progress of the cause of National _Ite _' orm it beyond our most sanguine expectations . The minds of the people are becoming waked to their interests , and each effort the Old Hunkers make to vindicate the wrong is but another toll of their funeral knell . Bat how many do _" you number ! is often asked : we are _beginninj to answer that our number is legion ; and the time is not far distant when we will have all over tbe conntry the Vest writers , both in prose and poetry , enlisted in our ranks , wbo , if tbey were not depending for their living on those who are behind tbe age , wonld speak out ¦ ootier - , but I know some tbat now write for present publications one way and for future ones another . There ls a brfebt tra about to davrn at oar seat of Government that will shortly speak forth on this subject , tbe Right of "Man to a Home , tbe Bight ofthe Race to the E . rth ; and when we have snch an auxiliary as that to our ranks , we Will be able to make things tell nobly for mankind .
A friend from Kentucky called on me a few dsys since for papers and tracts . He said they had a Congress in the neighbourhood in which he lived , and from the tracts that were s ° nt him he had introduced a bill for the freedom of the public lands , and he felt he would do much _tospre-. d the troth . Now , this is the way : get tho-e in the country so discussing it and it will tell well . I hope our friends will get it in all the debating soc i eties throughout our land . The Germans have formed an auxiliary here and are holding weekly meetings . They are inspiring the truth too tbe toiling mass of our £ _T ! m ° _K _£ _? ? m tb 6 east ' wert * _™ r tb , _ana _Ztfotet _^ 600 dCheer * _^^ _cryforhelpfrom
A Mr Leach has been doing good _servlr-a in . «» ,, f the counties ofthe state of New Yoik andIMr Van Andringe , the association ' s lecturer ' has been carrying the " fiery cross" through parts of Ferinsyl . _Tania , Delaware and New Jersey , with the best results . Yourg America of February 13 th contains the Mowing _totiee of * "B « K-Brjow-Up" at Plainfield « ew Jersey : — ' The city was thrown into excitement on Thursday hy the news of that stereetype occurrence , a Baijk Bunt-Up .
B . ach ' _s Bank at Plainfield had been takes possession of by the legislature of new Jersey , who had repealed it » charter unanimously , after an investigation of its affair * hj a committee . And though everybody expected it , everybody also expected , by not keeping the trash over one night , to be the lucky ones when the crash came . The fact was , that most men in business ' " eould not retoe the stuff , or tbey would lose custom , and the _worViBs people were forced to take it , as long as grocers Would receive it from them . Many have already parted with tbe trash _atone-half its nominal _vtfr M » aa the wnadlers will reap a rich harrtst to bn _*» . _ia _soajs-aaw wwy operation _.
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Movements Of The Week. The Reported Prop...
MOVEMENTS OF THE WEEK . The reported proposal to unite the North American colonies under a viceroy , with a Parliament to assemble at Quebec , excites general attention , and is said to be favourably received in the colonies . The scarcity continues to gain ground in France . In Ee _' _gium , frightful disorders have broken out . According to the National , the black flag of la Jacquerie is making its tour of Belgium . At Liege there were no troops to protect the town , as they had been sent
against the operative population of Verviers , where there is no garrison . The black flag has been hoisted at Stade , near Huy . Four farm-houses have been burnt in the cantons of Wavre and Perwez by bands of mendicants . It is feared that serious disturbances will break out in Brussels . In Germany and Hungary the famine is marching with rapid strides . Portuga l too , is threatened with the same calamity , a large portion of the country being left uncultivated in consequence of the civil war .
The outburst of Italian feeling against Austrian domination , is assuming a threatening aspect . A general rising against the Kaiser is probably not far distant . .... , The Russian despotism is following in the wake of that of Austria , in exciting the deluded peasantry to murder the nobles suspected of patriotism . Fearful massacres are said to have taken place in White Russia .
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FRANCE . The Scarcitt . —The Paris papers of this week report further advances in the prices of grain . 1 hr * Reforme states that its commercial advices from Brittany and Normandy are fearful . The Reforme anticipates very serious disturbances at Cherbourg . Queen Christina reached Paris on Sunday forenoon .
SPAIN . The Carusts . —A Barcelona letter of the ? th instant _, quoted by the Journal des Debats of Saturday , mentions another attempt which the MonternoVinist partisan , Tristany , has made on the small town of Tarrasa , situate in the mountains , eight _leagues north of Barcelona . Tristany . at tbe he _^ _rf of three hundred men , had taken possession oftlie place , bnt a detachment ofthe Queen ' s forces having hastened np , be was compelled to retire , with the loss of several killed and wounded en both _sides The Gazette ofthe 9 th contained Royal decrees removing General Breton from the government of Catalonia , and naroinc General Pavia as bis successor , and _appointing General Marnel Concha Captain-General of Old Castile , with the command of the Arrayof Observation on tbe frontier of Portugal .
PORTUGAL . Thk Civil War —Intelligf ace has been received from Lisbon to the 10 th instant . The liberty of the press _hadagain been suspended foramontb . Monetary and commercial affairs were very bad . A meeting ofthe principal people , merchants , and others , had inst taken plaoe to hear some proposition of the Conde de Tojat on monetary affairs , the meeting ended in tumult and confusion , and was adjourned tothe next day . The queen is said to be very unpopular Marshal Saldanha had net advanced bevond Olivira dos Azemeis . five leagues south of Oporto . The insurgents had surrendered the fortress of Almeida , their last strongho ld in _tbeprovinceol Beira . General Povoas was received at Oporto by Conde das Antas , Viscount Sa de Bandeira , and peoplewith great demonstrations of
admira-, tion and cordiality , llis wonderful escapes from his numerous pursuers created great sympathy and respect for him . Ha was created count by the Junta . The troops of Oporto passed in review before him and Antas and Sa de _Bandeira _« t-Monte Grande , a league from Oporto . Tbere was certainly over 6 , 000 men present . Baron Almarcem had roost ofthe troops of the line of Braga watching Casal General Guedes was at Amarante observing Vinbeas and Lapa . Cesar Vasconcellrs and General Bernardino were at the right bank of tbe Douro to dispute its passage with Marshall Saldanha shou'd he attempt it . The greatest energy and activity reiened in Oporto . Four English merchant vessels sailing from Oporto with cargoes of wine were seized by the _blockading squadron , and sent as prizes to Lisbon .
GERMANY . _Emiobatio _** . —In various parts of Germany the impulse of emigration has gathered strength lately , and it has become a serious question how to facilitate the transport and settlement of the emigrants . On tbe 3 rd inst . a meeting was held at Darmstadt , for the purpose of instituting a "National Society for the Assistance of German Emigration and Colonization . " Among the countries mentioned as suvtabU for emigrants , were Algeria . Corrientes in South America , but , more immediately , North America , _especially the states of Illinois , Indiana , and Iowa ,
PBISCE METTKBSICn ASD THE PbCSSIAS _COKSTl _* _TBTiON * . — The Cologne Gazette ol the 12 tb inst . announces that Prince Metternich has given his opinion on the new Prussian constitution in the following reply to a deputation from the nobility of Bohemia , who prayed the establishment of a national bask after the example given by the King of Prussia . " Tbe example of Prussia , " said Prince Metternich " cannot in any manner serve as a rule of conduct for Austria . Austria heeds not the reports and the noisy contests of parties . She rather seeks to ad vance calmly , in order not to prepare for herself painful deceptions which might succeed hopes too easily excited . "
HUNGARY . _Scahcitt of Food . —The misery which prevails iii Hungary is such , that acts of horror have been committed such as are not to be surpassed in accounts ol cities famished by a long siege . A workman at Pestli , being no longer able to provide for his numerous family , walked with two of his children to the banks of the Danube , and threw the youngest into the stream ; but his anguish at seeing it struggle for its life in the waters , impelled him to jump in to endeavour to save it . The child that was left on the bank uttered cries of distress , and said that he would not ask again for bread , if they would but save his father . The man was saved , hut the child he had thrown in was drowned . The unhappy man has been imprisoned , and the authorities have taken charge of his familv .
RUSSIA . MAS 3 ACRKSEXCITE 0 BV THE GOVERNMENT . Advices received in Paris from St . _Petersburgh _, bring accounts of scenes of murder and pi . lage which have lately taken place in the government of Mohilef , in White Russia , where several villages have been the theatre of massacres resembling those which took place last year in Galicia . It appears tbat at a banquet given by the officers ofa Russian regiment to the principal inhabitants ofthe place where they were quartered , on the _occasion of their leaving the garrison , toasts were given hostile to the government , and even to the person of the Emperor , and were received with acclamations . A report of tbis
incident was transmitted to the superior authorities , in which , however , the actors were only accused of imprudence , after having drunk too copiously . Nevertheless , several officers of theregiment were _degraded , and reduced to the rank of private soldiers . An insurrection followed among the peasants , on the property of several ofthe principal inhabitants who bad signalised themselves by the manifestations hostile to the governmrnt at the above-mentioned banquet . The _* e peasants assembled in bands , excited by drink , _pillaged the chateaux , murdered the proprietors amidst cries of "Long live the Emperor , " and even took the lives of those individuals of their own class who would notsfcare in their proceedings .
ITALY . _AsTr-AusiRiAVe \ lovEUESTS . —Letters from Pisa of the 7 th instant bring the intelligence that a political movement took place in that city on the occasion of the arrival of the Archduke Ferdinand _d'Este , nephew of the Emperor of Austria , who had been civil and military governor of Galicia during the massacres of la _* _-t year . In the course of tbe day crowds assembled in front of the palace v _> bcie he was staying , for the purpose of manifesting their disapprobation whenever he might _appear ic public . The authorities called out the gendarmerie , and dispersed these assemblages . At midnight , a loud report was hear , d , which spread alarm through the
town . It appeared that & petard had been deposited in the cellars ofthe palace , which had been discharged by a train . The explosion shook the building , _breeking tbe windows , and those of the adjacent houses . A great agitation prevailed in the town . Placard * were every day posted in the streets containing Offensive invectives against the Austrians . The police were actively employed , and several arrests had taken Place . WMKJ _ZZ ~ _»* Letters from the frontiers ofthe 8 th instantstate , that notwithstanding the measures adopted by the Austrian Government , the agitation caused by the dearth of provisions continued in Lombardy . Two re , , ,- ? . ents of Creates had arrived in neighbourhood ot Milan , and several others were expected .
UNITED STATES AND MEXICO . . _*& _£ _"»> „ TfclS 8 _' _?«' -The Royal mail steamship Candma , Capt . Judkins , entered the Mersey this morning , shortly after eight o ' clock , _bringing _iwwa of rather an important character . The allotted period of tho existence of th * _United States Congres _* has . ere this , passed awav with the things thatwere . It legally expired on the 4 th instant . The Secretary of the Treasury hadlintroduced a bill te raise the duty ten per cent , additional on iron aud certain iron manufactures , and fm per cent , on manufactures in cotton , if dye . iL , o _^ u-ai , printed .
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or stained , and exceedinj " . w value thirty cents , per square yard . The Act to cease two years after the peace with Mexico , but the amount to he Collected on all goods before that day . The question of perr aitting 8 lavery in conquered territories , was still before the Senate . Mr President Polk had sent a message to the Senate and House of Representatives . It is dated February 13 th , and refers to the proceedings of the United States army from the date of his annual message up till the period of the present one , and recommends that tbe Act of May ID , authorizing the President to accept tha services ot _volunteers , may be amended ofits defects , so that the num . b _* and usefulness of that portion of the United
States troops may be kept up unimpaired . He also re-commends the imposition , as a war measure , oi revenue duties on some of the articles now embraced a the free list ; of these he names tea and cottee , a moderate duty on which he estimates at _two-and-ah-If millions of dollars . » - «„ j . *« r-u The news from the seat of war , received at Washington on the 25 th ult ., was gloomy . The Mexicans had resorted to a system of guerila warfare ; had cut off an _outpostof eighty Kentucky men , and had intercepted a body of ten dragoons carrying dispatches from Gen . Scott to Gen . Taylor , 'ihey are said to have lassoed the lieutenant in command , and carried off the despatchw containing the whole plan ot intend ed operation . _t , * . 2 Borland
The captured Americans included Major and Captain Gaines and Cassius M . Clay , iu a more formidable affair , however , the United States soldiers were victorious . But to counterbalance this success , there is intelligence ofthe shipwreck of a transport ship near Tampico , with 400 volunteers , all of whom were captured by the Mexicans . _^ SniPATHr _i-or _iREM-m-We find that in New York city contributions , continue to increase . I he churches are all taking up collections , wuhout distinction _ofseet , benevolent societies are contributing freely , places of public amusement are giving benefits forthe augmentation ofthe relief fund , and popular speakers and literary men are devoting themselves to the same praiseworthy object . Thc contributions throughout tho United States , as far as heard from , amount to J 43 , 000 dollars .
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THE PROPOSED GOD-MOCKING AND PEOPLE-INSULTING FAST . TO TBE EDITOR OF THE NOSTnEBH STAB , Sir , —The _Maworms are at work , and have fixed the 24 th instant for a Fast—a black fast , same say ( as black as a Maworm's heart ); but at all events a fast , and a fast for what ? for the niggardliness of a bounteous providence , and the sins of a really too honest people . Was ever ingratitude more complete either against God or man ? was ever God so mocked , or tbe people so insulicd ? Talk of fasting , sir , why too many haye already fasted , and ! thenmock
to death , in the midst of plenty Why , , either God or man with a fast lor plenty which already exists ? Sir , there is plenty everywhere ; w _. _iat is wanted is uo . net to purchase with , and this the Maworms take good care the people shall not have . 1 trust that the Chartists will to a man turn this fast to a good account ; ay , such account as will make the Maworms regret making false charges against either God or man . There is , in reality , no tamine beyond what the moneymouger * themselves have created through depriving the people of money to buy food with , and none more than the moneymongering Maworms know this . Henry D . Griffiths ,
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STATE OF IRELAND . ( From , our own Correspondent ) Since I last wrote to you things have grown frightfully worse . The victims of famine are dying around us with such rapidity , that in many instance * - persons cannot be found to inter them . What with typhus finer , dysentery , and Jack of food , Drogheda will , ore summer is past , be reduced to half its population . Such is the unfeeling apathy with which many rich men look on the decimating of their neighbours , that the relief committee were forced to publish a list of the defaulters to the soup kitchen , in the hope that they might shame these wealthy Christians into Kiving some assistance to the poor . Bad as this state ofthins ' _S are , we have very little reason -for hoping that they have come to the worstyct .
I have , within the last few weeks , beeu over a large part of Aleatli , Louth , and Monaghan , and from my own observation , and trom all inquiries 1 have made , 1 am forced to conclude , that anything like the present scarcity never fell to the lot of the oldest inhabitant to witness . This gloomy picture is not relieved by tbe faintest speck of a good harvest this year . Thousands of acres are lying unemployed : now , when they ought to be " -owing the cat crop , the poor tarmeis are not able to get food tor _W-eir families , much lass are they able to sow their ground . What is sown , I regret to say , promises anything but a good crop . Many farmers , Irom the indolent manner in _evhich they provide manure for their lands , are
driven every year to a system of fallowing , that is , I tying the land idle lor a whole year , as it land wanted rest ; all tbe rest land requires is good tillage , not •• _iving it up for 12 months to the rearing ot weeds . f hese fallows are yenerally ploughed in September , and are sown with wheat and what is called whiten oats . Many thousands of acres are thus sown every year . This year a more than _us- ~ al amount of grain has been so planted , but alas I tor Ireland , from some cause or other , hardly any of the corn sown in " fallows" has grown . I have seen numerous ploughs at work turning up the land , in which wheat had been sown last October . The impression of the farmers is , that bareily as much corn will be got from " pin fallows" as it toolf to sew them .
Another loss will be sustained by _larmers this year in the partial loss of their " vetches" creps , ( spring vetches . ) The severe frost in December last nearly destroyed all the early _sonn vetches . The time for sowing the oats is passing without a fractional part of the ground which should be devoted to this grain , being sown . The prospect before us is appalling in the extreme . The Star , thank God , is no longer confined to the reporting of meetings which , good in their way , held out but distant l . o ,, es tothe persons attending them : it is now _showing how they can most speedily release themselves fiom the thraldom of'iniquitous _lnoney-grubbe-rs , by becoming the stewards ot their own labour , the bankers ol their own capital , and by their self deny ing courage by which a sum _< jf twenty thousand pounds has _bi-cii
subscribed to purchase their plundered inheritance , giving the lie to those who ignurantiy assert that the people are too dissolute , too uneducated for the exercise of the rights they claim . The Corporation met on Wednesday , the 10 th instant , the Mayor presiding . Councillor Keappock moved , and Councillor liellen seconded , a motion praying Parliament to ibolish thc Rate-paying clauses of the Reform Bill .. Carried una voce . A conversation ensued as to whom the petition should be entrusted to several councillor ? , stating that , owing to tbe conduct of the member for Drogheda , Sir W . M . Somerville , they could not think ol asking him to present it . Sir W . M . Somerville has need to look out lor some other place against July next . His recent conduct on Mr VV . S . O'Brien's motion respecting the Catholic Clergy
coupled with his opposition to Mr Duucombe s late motion , regarding the abolishing thc . Ratepaying clauses of the Rctorm Bill , has ieeseued materially the hold he possessed on his Drogheda _constituency . On the motion of Mr . Keappock , tbe petition was entrusted to the people ' s representative Mr * T . S . Duncombe . What a triumph to the Chartists oi Drogheda to see iheir corporation driven to the necessity of selecting the only Chartist iu the House ol Commons to aid them in their exertions to abrogate a bad law ! Who could have thought when Ali O'Connell came , specially , as he said , in 18 * 1 , to _Drogheela to crush Chartism , that we would have principles so worthily honoured by the very man who aided him in his crusade ? So much for having an h iie 6 tnaniuParli .. m . nt !
A Lunatic—An Irishman, Who Bad Been Take...
A Lunatic—An Irishman , who bad been taken into custody on the _charge of exciting a tumultuous assemblage of persons in Duke-street , by his extraordinary conduct in professing to be Elijah tho Prophet , came to sound the trumpet of Millenium , and to blow the horn in Zion , has been removed to a lunatic asylum , as there was no doubt whatever of his being insane : The Genebal Fast . —On Tuesday the following publio notice was issued in the city of London : — * ' Her Moat Gracious Majesty having issued a proclamation for a Public Fast , on Wednesday , the 21 th instant , in consequence of the severe distress which exists . in the United Kingdom , the Lord Mayor requests that his fellow-citizens will close their shops and abstain from all business on that day , so that it may be devoutly and reverently observed by all classes . "
_JtisMiESEOTATHW ot WssTinsaTER . —On Tuesday a meeting of the electors of Westminster , resident in tbe parish of St . Anne , was he'd at Caldwell ' s Assembly Rooms , Dean-street , Soho , for the purpose of meeting Mr C . Cochrane and hearing from that gentleman a statement of his political principles , and deciding upon bis eligibility to fill the vacancy in the representation of the city . Daring Burolart . _*—Between one and two on Monday morning , a daring burglary took place at the White Hart , Princess-row , Newport-market . The burglars , after breaking open the till , from _wkk-h they took upwards of £ 6 in shillings , then took several pounds of cigars from a cupboard , and drank a quantity if wine , after which they took their departure , without causing the least alarm _ititke iomateB .
A Kendal paper mentions that an ass * Lately died at _Lindale from eating some gur » no , which it had found in a barn . Sir Howard Elphinstone is o _' oout to * resign his sea ' for Lewes , and Mr Perfect will take-the Seine en - _* ' n libeial interest ,
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MONDAY , Mabch 15 . HOUSE OF LORDS . —S * ie of Fibeabhs . —Ejuoiu . tiok —Lord Starlet had three petitions to present , tc whieh he wished to call the attention of the house . The first was from the high sheriff and tho whole of the grand jury of the South Riding of Tipperary , in reference to the unreetrieted snle of firearms in that county . The petitioners stated that they viewed with alarm the unprecedented sala of arms at Clonmel and other placts , Muskets wero being sold in Ireland in large numbers , at prices varying from 2 _g , 81 . to 30 s ,, and the _manufacturers of Birmingham were unable to make their sup . plies keep pace with the demand . The firenrms were purchased chiefly by labourers of the _lowestgrade , nndit wa » a common circumstance for boys engaged on the
public works to purchase pistols ont of their earnings . An auctioneer , *» ho ofliciated at a recent sale of firearma in _CJonmc ) , recommended his articles by saying that one of his muskets would be a receipt in full for last Novcn _:. ber _' s rent , and would he warranted to bring down an agent at 150 yards . ( Laughter . ) lie could not blametheir lordships for laughing at what , at the fint blush , appeared to be somewhat ludicrous ; but when such remarks accompanied the sale of firearms , it was obvious that the trafflcin thtm did not partake of the ordinary character of trade , and that it was likely to be attended with dangerous results . ( Hear , hear . ) He had from private sources been made acquainted Aith _. an anecdote beating _uv-on the subject , wliich he would relate to the house . Some gentlemen passing through a district in which public works were going on observed some men In
the middle ofa field practising firing at a hat , which w » s set up as a target upon a spade handle , aud every shot was received nith loud cheers . The persons thus occupied were nil rtcciving government pay on the public works , ( Hear , hear . ) The petitioners prayed that th * Legislature would adopt measures to prevent the indiscriminate sale of firearms in Ireland . The noble lord then presented a petition from the grand jury of Tipperary in favour of the _intrediction of railways into Ire . land upon a grand scale . He also presented a petit on from tbe same body , praying for the establishment of im extensive system of _emigre iiod ,. ind stated that , _nlthoutfi . he could not advocate the adoption of any very cxt- miv * scheme of emigration by govern ment _. yethe thought _soron encouragement ought to be given . Hb aUo _inijuircei whether it was true that a tux had been imposed on emigrants by _theStgCe Legislature of Sew York .
_Eui'IGbev , in _aaswer _, said that such a _tas had been contemplated . Lord Asiibobtoh expressed his concurrence in the views stated by Lord Stanley . Lord _Mohteaqle thought that a prudent system oi emigration would confer the greatest benefit on the country , but he feared ( liepresent voluntary system nas doing an irreparable injury . After a few words from the Ewl of Devon , Lore " Brougham , and Lord _Mountcashel , the conversation dropped . The Loan Fund Bill then passed through committee , and the house adjourned .
MONDAY , March 15 . IIOUSE OF COMMONS . —Lord Mo _» _r- - iu stated , in reply to Mr . C . Berkeley , that the Wellington statue wns to be removed from its present position , nnd that the expense would bu borne by the _sub-committee . Lord J . Russell stated , in answer to an inquiry made by Mr . James , that there would bu no interference on thc part of her Majesty to disturb the decision of the Provost of the College to discontinue the " Eton Montem . " His lordship also stated , in reply to Lojrd G . Bentinck , thnt it was not the intention of government to propose , in the present session , any permanent lax , in lieu of the annual custom duties on sugar _. The adjourned debate on tbe committal of the Poor Relief ( Ireland ) Bill was resumed by
Sir W . Clay , _evho contended that that bill , in com . bination with the temporary reKef bill which bad bien recently passed , would vest in the- _government tbe power of levying taxation on the whole of Ireland for the purpose of supporting tlw ablff-hodied poor , when in a stale of destitution , out of the workhouse . It was no longer doubtful that Irelaud Jmust have an eflicient poor laivnot a poor law which did not take more than £ 300 , 000 a-year from an annual rental of £ 13 , 000 , 000 , hut a poor law similar in essence and in spirit to that of England , which would prevent a single individual from dying of stamtion whilst one shock of corn existed in that country . Thc question then rose , what was that poor law to
he , and how was it to be applied ? Thi plan of poor law which we ought to adopt was a cautious and gradual one , which should _dtvelope without oppress _i ng the . resources of Irelai d . Ho , therefore , approved the bill then before the house , not because he considered it a perfect law , but b . causu he _consideredit the _orfy law now practicable in tl . e present social transition ot * Ireland . He _was , bow * ver , satisfied , that ultimately the poor law in Ireland must te assimilated to that in England ; for the right of all n en in destitution to relief must become part uf the civil polity of Ireland if we wished to see security to life and property , and consequently tranquillity and prosperity , prevail in Ireland .
Captain Joists expressed , as nn Irish member , his admiration of the conduct of the people and the government of England towards his counir _. _vme-n iutUtir present alarming condition ot" distress , _Lungbei ' ore that distress arose , it had btien his opinion that an extension of the Irish poor law was necessary ; and he thought that it might have been of this description—that relisf in the workhouse should be given to every person applying for it in a state of destitution . He had not been prepared , however , to _gire outdoor relief generally . Mr . V . SriiABT had al nays been of opinion that , in tbe present state of distress , outdoor relief must be granted to the able-bodied labourer in destitution . The present poor law , in ihe present circumstances of Irelam ) , was a mere farce ; for now that the potato crop was utterly _destroyed , it was impossible to support all the destitute in the _ivoi-kliouscs . Mr G , A . Hamilton made a long speech against outdoor relief .
3 Ir . J . O'GouxEiL thought that a much better time might have been chosen by the government fur bringing forward the question ofa permanent poor-law for Ireland . He felt compelled , however , to support the measure now before the house , although lie would do so not for the reasons assigned fov its support by Lord J . Russell . His reason for supporting the bill was , that hewas ready to snatch at anything calculated to save a few lives . It maj temporarily do a little good , and for that reason lie would vote for it as a forlorn and desperate hope , anil not In the belief that it was . 1 _measure which would be
permanently beneficial to the country . It tock five millions sterling to support the fourteen hundred thousand paupers of England , In Ireland the poor-law , in going into operation , would rind from thrco to four millions of paupers to begin with , and taking the pr _.-portioii which England paid for the support of its poor , what would Irelind have to pay to support nearly treble the number ? One strong objection wbich he had to thu bill was , that under its operation the small ratepayers would break down . Auother arose from the proposed constitution of the boards of guardians , which would , in his opinion , go far to prevent the bill from doing that amount of good which it mig ht be otherwise competent to effect . He called upon tho liouse to repudiate the clause having reference to the appointment of _ex-officio
guardians . Tiiey _evcre unjustly _tasing and grinding down the pour ratepayer in Ireland , whilst tiny wero letting the rich absentee go free . A large loan should have been advanced to Ireland , which the honourable gentle _, man went back to the " treaty of union" to show _rvould have been but a mero measure of justice to Ireland . Repealers had been tauntingly asked what they would have done for Ireland in the present emergency had they bad their own parliament which the Imperial Legislature was not now doing . They certainly could not bave done worse for Ireland than tho Imperial Legislature had done for it , whilst there were resources in Ireland which her own Parliament , had it existed , would bave called forth in a manner which would have prevented many of the miseries to which that eountry was now _suhjet-ted .
Lord CotrRTEN * _** , as nn absentee Irish landlord , gave his cordial support to the bill , which he thought would act as _ji wholesome stimulant to improvement , both to the landlord and labourer . Sir D . Norreys and Major Layard supported the principle of out-door relief . Mr . _Yt-sey opposed it . Lord J , Manners said that by the failure and disappearance of the potato crop , GOO _. OOO heads of f » milies would iu future be deprived of their usual source of food . Nobody would assert that these could be maintained b \ any system of Poor Lau relief j and therefore he was bouud to consider what were tho measures wliich Government had introduced to enable this Poor Law tc work in Ireland . He admitted that those measures were good so far as they went ; but he insisted that they _wcrr
quite inadequate for the object for whieh they were proposed . The first of the measures- proposed by Lord i . Russell was the advance ofa million for the reclamation of waste lands . Now he understood that the expense of reclaiming an aero was about £ 8-, 90 that nob more than 120 , 000 acres would be reclaimed . He calculated that 5 , 000 heads of families would be maintained on this num . ber of acres ; and therefore 5 _^ 000 must bo subtracted from the 600 , 000 heads of families to . which he had already alluded . Lord J , Russell had also told tin bouse that he did notintendtomakeaay great " _oorrase to the usual grant for emigration . He , therefore , thought that he should make a _liberal allowance to the noble lord , if he allowed him tcsubtract another 5 , vao on the score Of persons relieved by etnigr-ttion .. He then took a succinct view of the _rc-Mof , wliic-a Lord John Russell would grata by his pine of extending fisheries ,
promofing public works , and - peoCtuoing greater employment on the soil of Ireland by _his-lo'in _ttxthe landlords ; aad tak . ing ali those items tog-ether , h » could xnM arrive at any other _eoaclusiot * , than , tills _Shafc not more than 100 , 800 heads oi families _wialibe _reeved altogether hy the Go . _venwnt _measure * -. * - That would leave 50 » , 000 beads ol _&¦» _¦ _" ¦ _»» _, or _population < -, S * i , lM ) O , 0 rjei of _soviistobe relieved •—aad ho ' _. vwaah to be done ? Nothiug half so good 1-HMi beeu _propped for that object as the railway scheme of Lord George Bentinck , which had been rejected by the ho use to save a Ministry wbich Lord G . Bentinck had _« _cAt > pposed , On tbat point he would not say more , as be _^ jelievedtliat after Easter an hon , gentleman near hi , whose opinion , like bis own , had been more and T _« ore strengthened by reflection as to the necessity ol that great measure , would bring that _snVject again before tbe house . ( Hear , hear . ) Mr . _Lahouc-jere observed that Lord J . Mnnnm hv ' _natsbjected so much to this measure in itself aa h _* _>&
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• injected te i : s not being accompanied by other _mtssute * much more extensive . He could not but suspect thnt hi _> lordship was alluding to the railway project of Lord G . Bentinck , and that the loss of that measure was his principal inducement to oppose this bill . Into that project , at it had been already disposed of , he declined to enter , though on general grounds he wished it to be understood tbat he was not opposed to the establishment of railways In Ireland . He then defended thc landlords of that country from the sweeping censure which " md been cast upon them , and particularly eulogized the _, munificent
liberality of Sir R . Booth , who had rescued the people of Sligo from death , not in scores , but hi fifties , in his _neighborhood . But in admitting that many Imh landlords had nobly performed the duties attached to property , he was compelled to acknowledge that many others—both resident and _non-Tesident—haO forgotten the obligations which ft imposed upon then * _, and he rejoiced particularly in that clause of this bill which would compel such persons in future to contribute to the relief of diifr _^ s _, and would give them a selfish interest in the employment ofthe poor b y throwing the support of the poor npon them when unemployed .
Mr . W . S . _O'Hbien commenced by assuring the bouse that if Ireland had had a national legislature , not ono ot his countrymen would have died of starvation . The money spent by the government in Ireland had , in a great degree , been thrown away . Everything tbat the _govtnMnent had done was faulty—all that it had concelved was unwise . Thousands of his countrymen hnd starved solely through Its _blunderings , and innumerable mischiefs had arisen from the mode in which it had misapplied its funds in Irelaud , He despaired of doing much good by tho "Irish party ; " hut if it did
_notbintmore , it had effected some good in creating a kindly feeling between a portion of tho Irish membtrs and several members in tbat bouse , who had seldom sympathised with them before . He deprecated ihe unkindly expressions which had been used by some Irish members in the house , who had deserted their country to save their party , towards other * . He gave his assent to the principle ef _out-door relief ; but insisted upon a poor law so constituted being accompanied by subsidiary measures , without which the least that could be said of it would te , that it would be inoperative .
Mr Roebuck rose to vindicate himself from certain charges which had been made ngniust him . One hon . _gentleman accused him of fpite towards the Irish land _, lords . But be neTer could ascertain exactly who the Irish landlords were . He believed tlut the real landlords of Ireland were the _taxgatturer and the mortgagee , against whom ho certainly had never utiered a word in that bouse or elsewhere . Hon . gcnilemen opposite , in ostensibly attacking tbe j _rinciple of out-door _reJic-f _, in reality attempted to Impugn everything in the shape of a poor-law . The law had not been hitherto the protector of the lowest oiders in Ireland . __ T ' ie possession of a small po _> tion of land was absolutely necessary for the support ofa family in that country , and as it was upon land alone , and not upon the law , that the Irish peasant
had to precipitate himself for the _suslcnaucc of himstli and family , it was no wonder that the agrarian outrages existed in Ireland of which they had heard so much . What was now wanted was to introduce ! into that country the mild spirit ofthe law , and to teach the Irish peasant to look to that for support in tbe days of bis destitution , instead of exclusively depending upon the possession of a small patch of land , of which he found that he had to possess himself at aU b-azards . And who opposed this righteous wish ? Who but the Irish landlords ? What the gentlemen ' of England now wanted was to extend to their Irish fellow . subjeeU that which thry had already granted to their fellow-subjects here , and no more . Ireland , in thc mouths of Irish landlords , meant nothing but themselves , and when tbey said that Ireland was going to be ruined by a _pour-law , all that the ; meant wns , that they were now going to be compelled
to do their duty . Ireland , during the last ten or twenty years , had advanced in a greater ra l > than any _ottxtT country in Europe , and it was _bfceauie they were advancing tbat so many ofthe Irish people _wtre now crying out against the manner in which they were treated . Ireland must now , it seemed , depend upon the good feeling of _Englaud and Scotland , and it behoved Irish members , in these circumstances , not to try too mueh the strength of tiie ligament which bound these two countries to Ireland . The bill before them was a great act of justice due from England to Ireland , which , through tlie Irish landlords , hnd long done wrong to Ireland ; and if the wrong came from her , ho saw no reason why she sh ' . _uld not now bo tbe source of justice to that country . He would give tho bill a cordial support , although be believed it to be inadequate to m et the evil which it was intended to remedv .
After u somewhat desultory discussion , in which Col , Verncr , Mr , M . J , O'Connell , Mr . B . Callaghan , and Sir A . Brooke _tookptrt , thc house resolved itself into the proposed committee , but immediately resumed and adjourned , TUESDAY , JfARcn 16 . IIOUSE OP LORDS . —A select committee was ap . pointed , on the motion of Lord Lyndhurst , to inquire into the transactions relating io the sale of the Birming . ham and Oxford Junction Railway to the Great Westei n B lilway Company . The muster of peers , which this contest between the rival companies , the Great Western and North Western , attracted , fur exceeded that brought down by any other business this session . A long debato took place on tho subject , whieh was terminated by the appointment of a committee .
Lord Monteagle gave notice for this day week to movo for a select committee on the subject of Poor _Rtllef for Ireland , The reports of thc Loan Bill and Consolidated Fund Bill were received , and the house adjourned . TUESDAY , Mabch IG . HOUSE OF COMMONS . —Lord Albert Conyngham was introduced by Lord Marcus Hill and Sir W . Siimcrvillc , and took the oaths and his seat as Member for Canterbury . Tue Wellington Statue . —Mr _Collett wished to ask the Noble Lord the First Commissioner ofthe Woodt and Forests in what site was the Wellington statue to be erected , aud at whose expense was it to be put up « He begged also to ask when the Nelsou column would be finished * " ( A laugh . )
Lord Mobfeth said , that he had already stated that tbo Wellington status would be erected at Waterlooplace . It would be removed at the expense _^ of tie sub . committee , but again erected at the expense of the government . As to the Nelson column , he had recently given f < esli orders that bus reliefs should be placed on ll e pedestal of the column . _I ' lie Earl of Lincoln inquired whether the proposal to place the statue at Waterloo place had been referred to a body of competent persons ? ( A laugh . } Lord Mobpeth—I think it has been considered and decided by competent persons . { "Hear , hear , hear , " and laughter . ) Amongst other persona whom [ consider competent are to be included the government to which the noble lore ! belonged —( laughter)—for Sir Robert Peel stated that one of the sites suggested to the subcommittee was Waterloo-place . Subsequently in answer to a question from Lord J . Mannebs ,
Lord Morpeth said that the sub-committee of the Wellington Testimonial had ( . iven no opinion , one way or the other , as to tha site proposed by the government They left thc statue upon the arch to be dealt with ai thc government thought best , ( Loud laughter . ) Admission of tue _ri-BLic to See tub New Houses OF _l'ABLIAMENT , To a questiou put by Sir De L . Evans , the noble lord replied that , as he considered those who paid for the building of thc Houses of Parliament ought to have an opportunity of inspecting them , he would , nt the end of the session , consult upon the best way of admiiling the public to view tho new palace of Westminster . Factobies _BiLi . —Upon the order of tho day for the adjourned debate on Cracow , lir Dennistoun said tbat he wished , with thepermission ofthe house , to bring a matter to its notice which was of very great and also of very pressing importance . The Shaker—Thc lion , member is out of order . The
order oftho day has been read for the motion relating to Cracow . The honourable member cannot sp _^ aU on any other aubject . Mr Den . _vistou *'—I rose to speak beforo the order of the dny was read , ( Hear , he * r . ) The Speaker—It the hon . intmbev _assures tbe house that he rose before the order of the day was road , he is entitled to proceed . ( Hear , hear . ) Mr Den * -is . _to" * u resumed—Tlie house was aware that the _Factories Bill stosd for to-morrow _^ Sow , the manufacturing interests had been so taken abaok by the large majority against th « m the other day- that they seemed to have been _qiiite overwhelmed , and to have taken no steps oh that mast important subject . Under these circumstances , it was not till yesterday that he
had received a _communieation from some of lu * eonstitucnts , making a _pcoposal whieh seemed _colculatud to meet tho wishes of the supporters of the bill ,, and at the same time to-maintain the productive _powers of the country . He would not than , enter into , the details of that _proposal , but he had _. placed it in , the hands of tho » obl _*> lord at tho head of the government . That proposal had como from Glasgow only yesterday , and it was impossible , therefore , that the great manufacturers of Lnncashive had as . yet heen able _to-conscnt t » . H , orto express an opinion , with regard to it . It would , however , ha in _Laccashira that _nxji-ning , andno . doobt in a few days the _UillOWlie _/ S Of that country would haves made up . their minds with
regard to it . As . it was most desi- _^ ble , it possible , to Obtain their consent to a bill for the relief of the _labourers In the faetorias , he trusted that the honourable lumber for Oldham _wouldconsent to -- .. postponement of the mea . sure . Ho had given notice _yesterday tc the hon . member ofthe remarks he had just _mude , nnd ho _rtgretted to find that the hon . gentleman was not in his place * , but he trusted that the noble lord _wwild make a request to bin * , to put off the _b-Jl for a short period . In the absence of the hon . _memier , _perhijs thes hon . _awd learned member for Cocker » _outh , whose name was also on the back of tho bill , might consentto its postponement . ( The statement of _thuijon . member was listened to with dean silences , nnd seemed to produce considerable sensation and aurprirc . l
Lord * " .. & _-CSS-EI . T _, —It ib quite true that the hon . gen . tlemaueame tome with one of his constituents with a proposal which the hon . _gimtlnman thinks will meet tb _o views of the supporters of this bill , and which he also ? hinkswill be , in the opinion of the manufacturers , far less objectionable than tho Wil as it at present standi . Sow , 1 should say that the proposal _seenud to me a f « auibl « : 4 a « v though my _oplnioa aloaft ii _>* totofmu Cn
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_vaiuc without continuing v . ' n , Bnul _"•• "ureril as {« matter ' of detail , with which they atone •»' . * " conversant , l e » jyni > t ' therefore , nsk the hon . member for _Ordain to _poM _pona the progreBi of the bill , for I am not sure that the pro . _posaJ will meet the wishes of the manufacturer * . The honourable member for Oldham must judge for himtelt whether it will be right to postpone ihe bill ; but if he does postpone jit , confess that I should be glad if the bill could pass in a shape wbich would meek the wishes of both parties . ( Cheers . ) Ur _AotroNnr said that has he had been appealed to he must state that he had uo authori y from the lion _, membtr for Oldham to consentto the postponement of the Ml' . At the same time he believed that the hon . membtr , and the operatives of England , would consent to any proposal tbatw _.-. _s reasonable or fair .
Mr Home said that af ter the opinion in favour of tha fresh proposal given by tbe Prime Milliliter , the matter became of very great importance , and he trusted that t ) n supporters of the bill would consent to lis postponemeat _. Mi- Hikdlet said that the greatest difficulty always attended the _tffe-rts of a private member to get a bill through the liouse , and tbe course of tho hon . member for Glasgow bad been anything but fair . He told them that he had a proposal to make , but he neither told them what it was , nor from whom it came . ( Hear , bear . ) Ho hoped that tbe house would proceed , without any post _, nonement _, to the third reading of the bill . Mr _Dobt'iivick protested against the present proceeding , both in form and substance . Surely the night before tlte bill was again to be _discussed wa * not the proper time to make a new proposal ? Why had it not been made long ago ? ( Hear , heat . )
Dr Bowrino thought that the hon . member for Glasgow had _doce nil thathe could do , in the circumstances in which he h » d been plnced . A sufficient _ground for _pofifponc-nieiit had been asslgecd , ; . nd the bill should not he hurried on . Mv Fts . -- . fcNB _MiM thatthe only wny to get rid of the difficulty was to pass the bill as it stood . ( Hear , hear . ) If they refused to do so , he could tall them that an agitation would take place in tho country greater than any _the-y had known for ages , And the reason was this . The operatives found that , by means of agitation the Anti . Corn Law League had gained the success of tkeir objects , and he thought tbat if by such means tbe Anti-Corn Law League could bo successful surely the poor _tperattves of the country might . ( Cheers , ) In answer to Lord G , Bentinck ,
Viscount Palmerston said ih _.-it her _Majesty ' s Government had hnd no official intimation of any duty having been _imposed upon emigrants by any of the State Legislatures in America , All that was known in reference to the _sul ject was , that it had been under consideration in the United States Cracow . —The adjourned debate on Cracow was then resumed by Sir J . Wai-w _, who deprecated the proposition of Mr Hume , as tending actually to _involve us in that course of conduct which had been _fihadowed forth aa the probable policy of France in certain contingencies—in the _byptithetical language of M . Guizot , which languagehad been somewhat misinterpreted by Sir It . Peel , when he denounced it the other evening . He condemned the late
"Cracow insurrection as _undeserving of the _sympathies of Europe . The smaller states of the continent had obligations imposed upon them as well as the larger , which they were equally bound witb tbe larger to fulfil . Amongst the obligatioi s _mposed upon the smaller states , the duty of neutrality w « s one of the most prominent . The recent conduct of Cracow was undoubtedly a violation of its duty in this respect . As against Cracew , then , tbe great Powers hnd certainly a strong case . This being so , it would be unwise , especially considering the present state of the continent , for this country to take _anystcps wliich might compromise it with the east of Europe . It would be unwise at any timo for it to resort to a petty measure of hostility against any power
such as was proposed in thc resolutions before the house , It was said bj a high authority that England could not carry on a little war , and in his opinion it was equally impossible for her to stoop to a little measure . Besides , this was not a time , from many considerations , when it would be prudent in us to give " _causele-ss umbrage , " or to heap " unnecessary affronts" upon tho Three Northern Powers . He concurred in the course wbich the Government lud taken , in presenting n protest to the conduct of these powers , because he believed tbat they were bound to have communicated with this country before taking the steps which they bad taken in reference to Cracow , and so concurring , he wns prepared to vote with Lord J . _Ru'scll for the previous question .
Lord Uarrv Vane could only regard with au ' madversion tbe conduct of the three powers in regard to Cra . cow ; hut he did not thiuk it advisable under existing : circumstnnces , forthe House to affirm the resolutions now before it . Mr Stcabt Wortlet was afmid that a false impression would go ) abroad if the previous question were put in reference to this subject , If he had any influence with Mr Hume , he would counsel him , after the very general expression of indignation to which the House had already given vent during the progress of this discussion , to re . frain from pressing the first resolution . If that resolution were pressed , he did not see how the house could avoid affirming it . He was ready to admit , that if tbey were disposed to avail themselves of their _present
positian , it was open for tl em to take advantage of it , to avoid thc payments alluded to in the other resolutions . But looking to the importance of the treaty of Vienna in other respects , and to the benefits which it was yet capable of securing to Europe , he conceived it would be the height of Impolicy for this country to adopt such a course . He was not ready to admit , however , that the circumstances under which the loan in question had been contracted bad been e rrcc ly stated bySirW . Molesworth and : others , who asserted it to be a debt churgeable upon this country , in consideration of the retention by it , after tho war , of tho formerly Dutch colonics of the Cape of Good Hope , Demerarn , _Essequibo , and Berbice . Our retention of these colonies could not be regarded in the _lightof a purchase , but as an exception to our course in refer .
ence M other colonies , which had been restored to Holland at the close of the war . The obligation under which we camo to pay the loan was a distinct and independent : obligation . We did not covenant to pay as security for Holland . The oli gation was not to cease even in the event of war between the parties . The reason why thisprovision was inserted into the convention was , that tho money which we stipulated to pay was to go to the private creditors of Ilussia and Holland . But it could not be supposed that this provision stipulated for tbe payment of tbe money in tlie event of n War arising from _.-inyr cause . The maintenance ofthe states of Europe according to tbe arrangements ofthe Congress of Vienna was one of the considrr _.-itions for which we became liable to pay the money . It could not , therefore , be maintained
that in the event of a war arising from a breach of the treaty of Vienna by Russia , we would still be liable to pay . The consideration of a treaty was the _conditionto _* a treaty . Had that consideration in this case failed ? if so , the other parties to the treaty were at liberty , if they chose , to absolve themselves from its obligations . That consideration had in part been broken by Russia ; and England , if she chose , might avail herself of thisbreach . But the question still remained , whether it would be wise or even just to take advantage of it ? In deciding this question , tbey should bear in mind that Russia had substantially adhered to tho treaty of Vienna , and that she still evinced a desire to maintain the general arrangement of Europe . Although , then , that treaty
had undoubtedly been violated in one of its provisions * Europe bad still too much to gain from its maintenance to justify us in easting it te * the winds on account of the breach ofit in reference te- Cracow . The _propercoum for England now to pursue was to pass the present breach by , and to hold the parties to the treaty to a strict adherence to its retaaining provisions . He trusted _, the country would take the dignified course recommended to it by Lord J ! obn Russell , when Europe and the world _, would give it credit for the maintenance of ] that faith whieh bad ever _distingudshed its foreign policy . If Mr Hume pressed his first nsot ' on to a division lie could not- ; but vote for it ,. but iu r »!' erence to the remaining reBolu ,. , tions he could not take-any step to interrupt thc _couti-.. _¦> nued payment ofthe _K-asso-Duteh loan ,
Mi- Christie _ugveed , witb those who held that , in vot _» > ing for resolutions like- those now before _. t hem , tho house- _owould travel out of its proper sphere . The question ior- _> rthe government to ccosider was , whether a violation of of the Treaty of "Vienna , on the part of Russia absolved _^ ug . g . lailil from the pajIBent ofthe money in question . If it it did , it was the duty *? the government to withhold that lat payment . He denied that , in such case , it would be be " shabby" so to withhold it . If , on the other hand . ml . _Eti | I . ' _. nd i- as not absolved from _thrj _?* nmoi t _hir-icndue 6 ue h in withholding it would be worse than ' ¦ shabby "—would uid be indeed as reprehensible as was the conduct of thc three iree
Powers , which Mr Hume was so anxious to condemn , mn . The honourable gentleman thsa commented with con . con . siderablu severity upon the _speeeh delivered by liord G . d G . Bcntinok „ oa Thursday _evening last , adducing the " bar . bar . _bavitiea- oS " _yJinsU , " and the * " savage _muravrs of Gnl . Gilllicia . "' a sufficient answer _ta . _the euU > giutn gassed by tlte . ' - tlie . , noble lord upon the Emperors of Russia and Austria . i . Mr W . S . O'Brien approved of the aoniiuct of that" thai French . Chambers , iu huaa . * illy _protes ' - ' og against tbest thai _partitioa of Poland , and tboughtit was competent for theor the . House-of _CcmmouB to entertain tbepropositionprt _-sentedientedl to it by the house .
Mr B . Escott supported thc _xssolutioiis . Mr SMr S ,, _Wsrrtft _* - hnd _eonclusivsly proved that tlio money _foj-mirlymirljj paid la Russia was u » longer due j- but , as a vepTeseivUeseivt : ativo of tho peoplo of England who hud to pay thoy thu _mouey , ho was rcadgt , although it was no longer duo , _teluo , to vote for its _continued payment . He ( Mr B . Escott ) wait ) wan astonished at ths- course thus _tuke-n by the right hontt _hona member for Bute . The first half of Lord J , RusseU ' ussell " speech was also an unanswerable argument to show thaow than the money was no longer due , and yet the noble lowle lorr insisted thai tho payments should bo continued . Sir H Sir III Peel had shown that , witbout an act of indemnity , _thlty , thii
money could not have been paid by the Ministry in 183 in 1831 The act of thatyear placed the payment of the money upeneyupec the ground tbat ilussia should adhere to the treety " reefy 11 Vienna . She had violated tbat treaty , the money _woney win no longer due , and neither should nor could be legale legall paid . This was onlled a pound , shilling and pence quince qum tion . and it was'hinted that it would be shabby , aftbhy am mean to withhold payment . But there _ywije _' _thjea _kloreeiiou of meanness in connection with thi > mfttW It was , " It was , " the first place , mean to refuse _paydSMt when tbe inosbe mocii was due ; in the next place , it waJjhW topaj ft wlij it will it was not due ; whilst it was ti * , teonsumnutloi ) _HAatioai meanness to pay it when not due , tfad _^ a »« rvilofeajrilofeaw a foreign power , ibta _wney _coutf aii Wfuter b « _yalff bo _faMi
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Northern Star (1837-1852), March 20, 1847, page 7, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_20031847/page/7/
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