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HOUSE OF LORDS , Moxb ay , Jvse 16 . _Jtfterthepresentationofpefitions _, The Earl of _Abb-oekj moved the order ofthe day for _taJdngintoconsiaaalionher Majesty ' s message relative to the pension of A 500 _reconnnended to be given for Ufeto Sfc _H-Pottfreer , Bart . The noble earl ohserved _, that he had already had other opportunides of bearing testimony tothe greatmerits of that distmgui _** _edpe _*** son who , on the present occasion , was the object of her Majesty ' * gracious consideration , and he had not been _cparingin those expressions of admiration and praise which it appeared to her Majesty ' s Government to he so justly due . These sentiments had found an echo thronghont the country ; in every part of the kingdom the presence of Sir H . Pottinger had "been welcomed with enthusiasm , and every effort had _bsen made to do him honour . Thereal merits of Sir H . Pottinger wonld have deserved the approbation ofhis Sovereign and their lordships even if they had been attended with such magnificent connnerdal results . When Sir Henry went to
Chins hefonnd everything he had to undertake strange and new , _-md although it was little wonderful that , with die assistance ofthe naval and military services employed in the war , he had been enabled in nolong time to dictate peaceatSanldn , it was surprising that he should have found the means by his character and conduct of so conciliating those with whom hehad to deal , as to annihilate the pain of defeat and convert suspicion and hatred into confidence and friendship . Amidst all the difficulties with which he had to contend , it was most remarkable that , whether in the commercial details with which he had to occupy himself , or in the regulations of administrative government , he had throughout manifested the same wisdom , judgment , and success . _Alth-jagait _ba-ibeen the object of - the Government to endeavour as much as possible to relieve him from all respo ** _abUiQbyfu _*^ ushinghiniwith instructions calculated to meet any difficulty that might arise , yet much had necessarily been left to his own discretion , and during thc whole course ofhis services in China there was not
anactwbichdidnot fully meet the approbation of the Government . The noble earl then quoted some details of the successful results of the negotiations with the Chinese in the rapidily increasing trade of this country with Canton , Shanghai , and Amoy , and expressed tbe great satisfaction he felt at the fact that since the conclu sion of the treaty the Chinese Government had acted with the greatest punctuality and good faith ; he , therefore , trusted nothing wonld happen to change such a course of conduct , at least so far as our example could reach . If the trade was to he preserved and extended , as he believed it might be indefinitely , it wonld only be by a strict adherence to that prudent , liberal , conciliatory , and enlightened policy which had been adopted by Sir H . Pottinger . The noble earl concluded by moving an address in answer to her Majesty ' s message , assuring her Majesty that their lordships wonld cheerfully concur in njc . _isni-es to secure the pension of £ 1 ,-500 to Sir II . Pottinger for life .
The Mara . nis of _Lassdowse seconded the motion , and waraily eulogised the character and services of Sir H . Pottinger . He believed if the Government had increased thc amount of pension to the highest provision made for Ambassadors retiring from the public service , not one dissentient voice would have been heard in cither House of Parliament The Earl of Ellesboeouch thought that while every proper and just tribute of applause was paid to Sir H . Pottinger for his civil services , it was not fair to overlook the unparalleled zeal , energy , and valour of the ofticers and men in the army and navy , by which alone he had been enabled to execute the instructions he had received "What he had done in China had not been effected by mere reasoning—the Chinese had been beaten into it by arms . He regretted that no pnblic rewards had been conferred , particularly on Sir W . Parker , who conducted with such extraordinary skill and success the operations in China .
The Earl of _"fianniscTos reminded their lordships that no time had been lost in conveying to the officers and men engaged in China the thanks of both Houses of Parliament . Sir Vf . Parker had also received the Grand Cross ofthe Bath , was created a baronet , and had Tecently been appointed to the command in the Mediterranean . The Earl of El-lesbobouch explained that he had referred , not to honours , bnt pecuniary rewards , to which he thought Sir William Parker was eminently entitled for his great public services . The address was then agreed to ncnune _eontrodisentc .
THE _SATNOOTB ENnOWMEST . On the third reading of the Maynooth College Sill , Lord Campbell strongly supported it , and expressed his earnest hope that the present Government might remain long in office , in order to carry ont the course of policy npon which it had entered . The Bishop of Iljnoaff opposed the measure , which was supported by the Earls of Ellenborough and Shrewsbury . The Duke of Newcastle inquired whether the Government had held any communication with the Governor of Malta , with the view of countenancing the establishment of a Jesuit college in that island for the education of youth !
lord Staslet informed the noble duke that the brother of an hon . baronet in the other House of Parliament had applied to the Governor for a license to establish a school in Malta for the education of the Roman Catholic population of the island . Such was the deficiency ofthe means of education in Malta , that the inhabitants were obliged to send their children to be educated in Italy and _SicUy "b y persons not subjects of "her "Majesty . The question was still under consideration whethera license should be granted , although he must add such licenses wercnever refused . The "Duke of 5 ewcastue wished to know whether the person making application for the license was a Jesuit ? Lord Stanley admitted that the gentleman was a manber of that body . The Duke of "Newcastle next inquired whether the Government held any communication with the Court of Borne ?
lord Staslet said it was perfectly well understood that we had no direct diplomatic intercourse with fhe Court of Eome but there was now , as for many years past , a gentleman employed in Italy connected with the Florence embassy , Mr . Petre _, who was accustomed to carry on some communications ivith those who held high office in the Court of Home . The Dnke of _Newcastle , at some length , stated his reasons -Cor opposing the nUL He avowed has conscientious belief Ihat flie Roman Catholic religion Was "idolatrous and superstitious , " and it was criminal in the State to countenance it by permanently endowing Maynooth as an ecclesiastical corporation .
The Dnke of Wellington defended the bill . The college had been endowed by the Act passed in 1795 . The proposed increase of tiie grant was rendered necessary by the growth of the population , nnd in order to give aproper education tothe Boman Catholic priests . He altogether denied tbat this was an ecclesiastical corporation ; it was an eleemosynary collegiate corporation . He disclaimed all intention of making this the forerunner of other measures ; it stood by itself , and it had nothing to do with other measures ; certainly not with any measures to endow the Catholic Church , founded npon the dismember ment of the Church of England established in Ireland The Church of Ireland was not only secured by the oath of her Majesty and that taken by their lordships , but by die _oaOijhi the Act of Ifi 29 , which lie took as the enunciation of a principle , an avowed _deterniination to maintain the Protestant Church of Ireland . He felt satisfied this measure wonld be found worthy of the approbation it had received from thc great majority oftheir lordships on the second reading .
The Earl of _VFicexow supported the bill , which was opposed strennonsly by tiie Marquis of Breadalbane . The Earls of _Chichesteb and Rosse severally supported thehill . After some observations from the Earl of Clancarty , The Marquis of _Las'sdoivse strongly advocated the measure . Their lordships then divided : — Por the third reading—Content—Present 104 Proxies 77 181 Kon-conten t—Present ... , „ ... -34 Proxies ... . „ ... 16 — 50 "Majority for the third reading ... 331
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HOUSE OF COMMONS , Fbidat , Jcse 13 . "A NICE BRAWL . " After a variety of questions , domestic , commercial , and political , had been answered by different mem bers of her Majesty ' s _Government , Sir J . Graham moved that the order ofthe day he read f or thehouse resolving itself into a committee of the "whole house for the purpose of considering a grant to the academical institutions of Ireland , and upon the question "that the Speaker do leave thc chair , " observed , thathe had made this -motion for the mere formal _purpose of obtaining a grant for these new colleges jrom a committee of the whole house . Mr . S . O'Bbies expressed liis disapprobation of the bill , and declared that public opinion in Ireland was most unfavourable to the proposition involved in its tenth clause . All parties were united in the
opinion that it was disgraceful to make the appointments to the professorships in these institutions a Government job ; and that such would be their character was evident if the tenth clause passed in its present shape , lie denounced the measure as au attempt to corrupt the intellect of Ireland , and entered his protest against such legislation . Mr . G 0 L 0 . CUOG 5 took Mr . O'Brien to task for the speech which he bad just delivered . As the representative of public opinion in Ireland , Mr . O'Brien _imdertTOk to assert _tlmt a-measure whicli _ifr . _Wvse _M «« nised in the main as valuable was one wliieh _' he as ihctator , or rather as Deputy Dictator of Ireland , conld not approve . He came fresh Iron _Conciliationnaii , andinformcd thehouse that this bill would be _-mdeabaK _foriresh agitation . If that were true , mowwMfi Was l " - \ to _** _^ _-gratulated on the po-V w _? _* _was about to - "die . n _^ f or _thei _^ i _^ t ,, esc institutions to be ¦ Ma jor the increase ofthe partisans of anv _relisious
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denomination whatsoever . Those who were getting np a cry against them were not representing public opinion , but the opinion of ecclesiastics . The priests of the Roman Catholic religion , and he was sorry to say tie clergy of the Church of England too , regarded with jealousy the ciutivation of reason and the -pursuit of science and philosophy ; and therefore it was the duty of Government to interpose between them , and to prevent these institutions from being converted into schools of proselytism . Mr . Roebuck quite agreed with the hon . member for Manchester that as this was apecuniary question , the House of Commons ought not to let a discussion pass , and give a formal vote . The question was , how they were to meet the conflicting opinions of the people -with respect to religion ? They could do tMs in two _wavs : either bv endowins separate
establishments for every religion , letting each _religion be taught in its own establish ment , or by applying the money of the State to secular education , leaving to ecclesiastical bodies and to the parents of the youth to direct them in the way of religion , ont of the walls of the establishment . ' * * The House of Commons have determined on the latter course , " continued the hon . and learned gentleman , " and how have they been met ? I was startled at seeing the hon . member for Limerick here . ( Cheers . ) 1 have been in the habit of seeing in the newspapers , Mr . S . O'Brien at Conca _& tion-hall constantly appealing to his connexion with the opinions of the people of Ireland —there was nothing like the three tailors of Tooleystreetin this ( cheers)—and declaring that lie would never again appear on the floor of the House of Commons . " ( Cheers . ) , Mr . W . S . O'Bbies rose and exclaimed—It is a
crest mist-sic _^ Mr . Roebuck . —If we "were to notice every idle speech , made in Coneiliation-haU , onr heads -would undoubtedly be filled with sufficient rubbish ( laughter ) ; but I have a right to assume that this house has been assailed , not only in that hall , but by the hon . member in his place in this house . Against the House of Commons an accusation is made to which I recollect nothing similar , except the accusation of Marat against Roland . The accusation is , that ihe House of Commons are endeavouring , "wishing , and planning to corrupt the intellect of the people of Ireland . Andhow ? By teaching theminathematics and anatomy and chymistry , 1 suppose ; and even arithmetic , and speaking English ( a laugh ) , which I suppose is to corrupt the intellect of the people of
Ireland . ( Hear , hear . ) It may do very well for sitting in Conciliation-hall , making propositions that will serve as clap-traps for the moment , to attract vulgar admiration ; but when we come to mete out the measure of truth that is in it , what is its value ? ( Hear , hear . ) Sir , Isay this is a true sample of the accusations that aremade in Conciliation-hall against the people of England . In a spirit of liberality , putting aside all our own feelings of religion , combat ing our own constituents —( hear , hear)—doing all we can as leaders of the people to bribe them to toleration —( hear , hear)—we come down here and meet obloquy in every shape , and risk that which ought tobe dearertoeachof us than almost every other thing except tiie truth and his duty—namely , the
love of those who sent him here ; and we are met by this " Conciliation" cry , that we are corrupting the intellectof the peoplcof Ireland . I ask , Sir , in what state of corruption or incorruption must that intel lect be -which could suggest the imputation 1 ( Bear , hear . ) Who sent us here ? The people of the united empire have sent us here , to watch over the interests of that great people whom we now represent ; and 1 take it to be the highest honour to those Irish members who , like us on the present occasion , have dared to brave the momentary ill-feeling of those who elected them , and I respect them for the great sacrifice they have made ( cheers ); but I cannot undertand , except I were to search somewhat low for motires , _wliat it is that takes me one moment npon the
stage of _CoucUiation-hall , to do all I canto excite discontent , bitter religious animosity , national hatred , narrow bigotry , vulgar prejudice ( cheers ); and then when I have spit my venom there , fancying that 1 shall be secure , armed as I may be with the attributes o f a member of this house , that I shall comedown to insult them by repeating thc trash that might have gained approbation upon the stage of that theatre . ( Cheers . ) But let me ask , when we are thus accused , may we not turn round and say , be there no motives that could have led to conduct such as this ? Could it not be _disappointed vanity ? Could it not be some sort of truckling to a superior intellect , under whose fostering care one might have hoped to emerge into something like notoriety ( hear , hear ); unable by
one ' s own ability upon a iair stage to acquire power , and willing to go into the atmosphere of corruption , and be hatched into something like a butterfly by the foul and pestilent influence ? ( Cheers . ) De who is the leading spirit in that scene , one can understand what he is about . Want staring one in the face , it is of necessity to pander to publie appetite , so that we may satisfy our ovm ; and the cravings o f hunger must be allayed , if by grovelling to satisfy all the base passions of thc vilest nature . ( Hear , hear . ) That may lead to what we have seen ; tbat has led to it ; and they who have f ollowed in thc train of him who has been guilty of these things , are neither worthy of much respect for their position or their intellect . The people of
Ireland -will understand this measure by and by ; and I am willing to rest upon thc power of truth , and not to suppose that the hon . member for Limerick ( Mi * . W . S . O'Brien ) is the representative of the people oi Ireland . ( Hear , hear . ) Let ns do our duty . ( Cheers . ) Our duty is , without fear or affection , to provide the means of educating the large body of that people , who _require to be educated , who have a strong desire to receive education , and of whom , if we will in the spirit of kindness , toleration , and prudence do them fair justice , as I believe we are doing , we shall win not merely their regard to ourselves , but their attachment to the laws -which -we enact . We may forget Conciliation-hall , and we believe this to be the last throe of its now expiring destiny . ( Cheers . )
Mr . W . S . _O'Briex . —I am aware that I am not entitled to be heard again , but , considering the very personal character of what has been said , I should not believe that I sat in a company of English gentlemen if they did not allow it . ( Cheers . ) I have had the satisfaction of being witness to the delivery of the accumulated venom of three months . Sir R . H . Isojas . —I rise to order . I am sure the house will listen to any explanation oi * any vindication fi * om the hon . member who has been attacked * but I believe the nouse will not permit him , when professing to vindicate himself , to attack the hon . and learned member , whose speech we have just heard . Other opportunities will arise , when the non .
member may give such answer as he thinks fit , but at present he is limited to thc vindication of himself , and cannot make a second speech for the purpose of attacking any one else . ( Hear , hear . ) The Speaker . —The hon . member for Limerick , is rising again , had clearly no right to address the house except in explanation . I did not think it my duty to interrupt mm , if tiie house thought fit to indulge him in reply ; bnt that indulgence could only he granted him with tiie full concurrence of tiie house . LMr . W . S . O'Brien . — "The house has denied it me . "l The lion , member for Limerick only did that which was right in declining to proceed when thehon . baronet interrupted him .
Sir R . H . Inglis . —I rose only when I heard what I conceived could not be in vindication of himself . Lord J . Russell . —There can "be no doubt that the hon . member can go no further than explanation in now addressing the house . If he-wishes to explain , he is at liberty to do so ; and it is perfectly cleat that when the house has resolved itself into committee , the hon . member will not be refused the liberty of making any further observations he may wish to add . Lord J . Maskers . —I will not consent , for one , to prevent the hon member from explaining ; and if necessary , therefore , I will now move that he be heard . Sir J . Graham . —Ifthe house will allow yon , Sir , to leave the chair , and resolve itself into committee , thehon . memberfor Limerick can be heard . ( Laughter and cheers . )
Mr . B . Osborne . —I second the motion of Lord J . Manners . The house then resolved into a committee , Mr . Greene in the chair . Sir J . GiuHAMmoveda grantoutoftheconsolidated fund ef the united kingdom , of a sum not exceeding £ 100 , 000 , to defray the expense of establishing new colleges for the advancement of learning in Ire land , and an annual sum not exceeding £ 21 , 000 , to defray the stipends . Mr . W . S . O'Brien . —I really do most unfeignedly apologise to the house for the necessity under which the hon . and learned member for Bath has laid me , of entering into topics of a personal nature ; but I would remind the house , as they seem to take pride
in the denomination of Lnglish gentlemen , " that they have been listening , not only with content , but mthapprobation , toinvcctiveinthemost unmeasured terms , continued for nearly aquarterof an hour , and directed against my person alone . I believe I am now in order in repeating , and I . will repeat , that I have had the satisfaction of witnessing to-night the delivery ofthe accumulated venom of three months' concoction . About three months since , the hon . and learned member for Bath thought proper , in my absence , to make an attack upon me in common with the seceding Irish members ; and I took the liberty of telling him from Conciliation Hall , that I treated his insinuations with contempt . I had no elaborately
prepared invective with which toreply tothe hon . and learned member . It is my custom in this house to maintain , so far as I am able , the character of a gentleman , without offending any one ( cheers ); I trust I have never shrunk from the duty of exposing a bad measure or a bad principle , and I trust I never shall : but I do not pride myself , and I hope I never may , in being able to accumulate sentence upon sentence that would give pain to any man . ( Cheers . ) The hon . and learned member , however , has utterly failed in giving pain to any one except his unfortunate self ; I treat his attack with unutterable contempt , aud accompany that contempt with my intense pity .
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Sir R . H . Inolis . —Again I rise to order ; I ask whether any member has a right to express his unutterable contempt . ( Great laughter . ) The lion _, member has caught me in an Irishism ; but if 1 am not strictly accurate in the words , the animus of the expression was sufficiently clear to justify me in rising . Mr . W . S . _O'Bries . —I leave it to the house to judge how far my vanity has been disappointed . I can say that when I abandoned attendance in this house I enjoyed the friendship of a greater number of members than at any former period . ( Cheers . ) I also may say , thattherc were circumstances connected with my career at that moment which were exceedingly gratifying to me personally . ( Cheers . ) Ihave no personal animosities in this house , not even against
the hon . and learned member tor Bath ; at this moment I would take his hand ( loud cheers ); but he has not represented me fairly when he says 1 made avow never to attend this house . The language that in public and in private I have held in Ireland has been , that I wonld not attend this house until I felt that by doing so I could do some good to my countiy ; and it is my opinion that an Irish member can more advantageously promote the interests of Ireland , by giving his labours there , than by attending in the House of Commons . With respect to the persons with whom I am in the habit of associating in Ireland , thehon . and learned member for Bath has thought proper to designate . Conciliation-hall as a scene of corruption ; and to those who attend it he has attached some term
which I forget , but equally offensive . Now , I will tell that hon . and learned gentleman , that after having attended in that place for above ayear and a half , I have nerer witnessed in the proceeding of that assenibly anything that was not perfectly honourable to all the parties concerned ; and I will speak more particularly with reference to the humbler classes of my countrymen ; and , therefore , so f ar from being ashamed to avow that I participated in those " scenes of corruption , " it is my pride to contrast tliat hall with this house , and to claim for the former the superiority of conduct . The hon . and learned member had thought proper , in his absence , to attack one who is infinitely more competent to defend himself , and to crush these miserable efforts , than I am
( cheers ); but I will say , that to suggest the meanest motives as those which can alone guide the conduct ofthe man who influences the destinies not only of his own country , but of this great empire , and of mankind in general , to suggest that a man who , possessing competence by his professional exertions , might , it is notorious , at this moment have been in thc enjoyment of affluence and power , is animated , in placing himself as the leader of a great people to claim for them their national rights , by a base desire to supply those necessities wliich no man more despises ; 1 will say there is a depth of degradation in it , that proves it the suggestion of a low and grovelling mind . ( Hear , hear , and cheers . ) I say no more in answer to thc very intemperate and
unfair attack upon mc ; but 1 will repeat , that it this bill passes in its present form , giving the Government the power of appointing a number of men throughout thc kingdom , selected from that class which is most influential , and by the possession of intellectual powers the most capable of exercising an influence over society , this measure will be an attempt to corrupt the intellect of Ireland . Lord John Russell expressed the great satisfaction with which "he had read the printed amendments of Sir J . Graham , and after a conversation of some length in the committee , in whieh Mr . Wyse , Mr . Williams , Mr . V . Smith , Sir R _., Peel , Mr . P . Borthwick , and others , took part , the resolution was agreed to , the house resumed , and the report was ordered to be received on Monday .
Monday , June IC The llouse met at four o'clock .
A GREAT MORAL LESSON . ( Not from the Cat and Fiddle . ) After the transaction of some minor business , Mr . Roebuck rose , and , in a low tone of voice , spoke nearly as follows : _—I rise , Sir , to solicit the attention of tho house wliile I state to it a question relating to a breach of its privileges . It will be in the recollection of the house that I addressed to it some observations in the course ofthe debate which took place on Friday last upon the question of going into a committee upon the Irish Education Bill . What succeeded is also known tothe house . In the afternoon of Saturday a carriage stopped at iny door , and the following note was left with my servant , it being marked outside " "Private and confidential ;" it was dated from the Iteform Club , and signed "J . P . Somers : "— " Sir , —Unfortunately , I was not in the llouse of Commons last night when you spoke on the question of going into committee on the Irish Colleges Bill . If I had
been , the necessity of addressing to you a letter like this , which is one of inquiry , would not have arisen . But , having been absent , I am compelled to resort to flie newspapers for a report of the language you have used . I beg to ask therefore whether the following words were used by you , or words to the same effect : — ' This consideration might have led to what had been witnessed , and those who followed in the train of sueh a leader deserved little respect either for their position or their intellect . ' If yon used these words , the insult they convey to me , as a Repealer , is plain . My second question therefore is , are you prepared to justify them ? The meaning of the word I have underlined you are , I am sure , too well read in the history of chivalry to misunderstand . ( Laughter . ) I send a copy of tins letter to the Morning Chronicle . " The hon . and learned gentleman observed , that the word " justify" was twice underscored , and was proceeding to make some further remarks , when he was interrupted by
Sir V . Blake , why _( _speakiagfrom tbe Opposition benches ) said , —I rise to order . Every hon . gentleman has an undoubted right to deliver his opinion upon any subject that maybe submitted for debate in this house , but I say tbat he has no right to catechise or lecture any particular member or set of members , or utter offensive words—( criesof " Order . " ) The Speaker . —Th © hon . baronet is , most unquestionably , out of order . ( Hear , hear . ) Mr . Roebuck CQnti _* a _* 4 _* id . On receipt of tiiat note , I immediately wrote an answer , which I delivered myself next morning , to this effect : — "Sir , —Tou shall receive
the answer wliich your letter requires , in the House of Commons , on Monday next , and I now give you the following warning for your guidance at the same time . I am determined that the free expression of opinion shall not In my person he coerced er checked ( hear , hear ) , and I shall , therefore , take the most stringent and effective means to punish your present menace and put down all future violence . I hope you are sufficiently well read in the laws of your country to understand this intimation , " ( Loud cheers , in which Lord Ashley ' s voice was particularly perceptible , followed thc reading of this note . ) I have first to move , Sir , that the letter ofthe hon , member for Sligo be read at the table .
The Speaker . —Is the hon . member for Sligo in his place ? Mr . J . P . Someks rose and bowed . The clerk at the table having read the note , Mr . Roebcck resumed . — "Now , Sir , I am exceedingly sorry that it falls to my lot to pursue the course which I am about to pursue . ButI feel it a paramount duty , not as regards myself , but as regards this house , to move that " J . P . Somers , having sent a challenge to a member of this house for words spoken by that member in his place in Parliament , is guilty of contempt , and of a breach of the privileges of this house . " My reason for adopting this course I shall calmly and briefly state . If I regarded myself in the affair , the law would afford me instant protection ; and I am quite _prepared to throw myself upon the law in such cases . But in this instance it is not
myself I have to consider , —it is this house and the privileges of its members * , amongst tbe most valuable of which is the fair and free expression of their opinions respecting public men and public policy . I claim a right to the free expression of my opinions , and I think I have a right to assume that in expressing them on the occasion Ihave alluded to I committed no breach of the rules of this house , inasmuch as I was not by you , Sir , or by any hon . member in the house , called to order . ( Hear . ) I claim the right to say that I have little regard for the intellect of some public men ; but I go further , and say that I entertain little respect for the position whicli they hold ; and one of them comes forward and suggests to me that he should he allowed to shoot at me . ( "Hear , hear , " from Lord Ashley and others ) Is that a proof of superiority of intellect ? ( Hear , hear . ) Does it support the opposite proposition to that which I endeavoured to establish in this house ? But , if it do not , what does it do ? It gives to any man having that species of physical
courage which shall give hhn a great chance ivith a pistol over his antagonist to assail any man in this house who chooses to do his duty . ( Hear , hear . ) I think it would be far wiser to adopt the more courageous course of at once meeting a proceeding of this description in the way in which I now meet it . ( Cheers . ) I put aside all other considerations at present , and they arc many , I sink them , and stand upon my privilege as a member of this house , to demand of this house , tbat it should protect me . I throw myself upon it for protection—I use the word advisedly—and when we consider all that is going on around us , when we see the vast calamities which arise out of this barbarous custom ( cheers)—I say that it becomes every man who has a heart that beats with the pulse of courage to take the course which I now take . ( Cheers . ) Assuming , therefore , that the hon . member will not deny his writing , I move that he is guilty of contempt , and of a breach of the privileges of this house . ( Hear , hear . )
Lord _Ashle _** and Mr . Hume rose together to second thc motion . There being a loud call for Lord Ashley , Mr . Hume gave way . Lord Ashley said , —I rise with great satisfaction to second the motion , and in doing so will take the liberty of tendering to the hon . member for Bath my sincere and heartfelt thanks for having brought it forward . I ofFer to him not only my thanks , but I think I may say the thanks of a very large body _» f gentlemen in this house ,-and I know that I speak the sentiments also of a very large proportion of my fellow-subjects when I say that I have viewed ivith disgust and horror the prevalent notion of what is miscalled honour . In this instance we are doubly indebted to the hon . and learned member for asserting not only a social question , but a great constitutional question ; for I can foresee the time when , if tbis system be introduced into this house , or into any other deliberative assembly , tbe liberty of speech will be at an end , and hon . members will be under the necessity of ap . pealing , as our ancestors did , not to the influence and
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force of reason , but to violence and the sword . ( Cheers . ) I therefore cordially second the motion , tendering at the same time , in my own name , and in the names also of tbe gentlemen of England , and of thousands of his fellowsubjects , my warm thanks for his manly and courageous and con sistent conduct . ( Cheers . )' Mr . J . P . Somebs then rose and said , —Sir , I have no hesitation whatever in withdrawing the letter , which is looked on as an attack upon the hon . and learned member . It was merely a letter of inquiry . ( Laughter . ) The hon . and learned member did not condescend to answer those inquiries . I do not call in question his motives for refusing , but I bow with unaffected deference to the decision of this house and of the chair . ( Cheers . ) 1 am not one of those who will play with the authority of
the house , or attempt a dexterous accommodation of offensive terms . I take the sense of the Speaker and of the house to be paramount upon all occasions , and will not be one to ran counter to them . An opposite course might lead to a great waste of time . I deeply regret that I wrote this letter ( loud cheers ) , and that any matter personal to myself should have occupied the attention of the house for a single moment . ( Cheers . ) If the lion . and learned gentleman is satisfied with that explanation , I trust the house will also be satisfied ( cheers ) , for I do not tliink I can say anything fuller or more explicit . At the same time I trust the house will bear with me for a moment whilst I call the hon , and learned member ' s attention to observations wliich I am sure hc must regret , and to the coarse imputations which are frequently put
forth against certain members of this house . ( Cheers . ) Hob . members must really give me the liberty of saving thatthe hon . and learned member ' s observations are not always in accordance with—I must be permitted to say it —truth . No ; I will recall the observation , and will say with what entitles tliem to public respect . I now resign myself to the hon . and learned gentleman , Henceforth he may say anything he pleases of me , or of the party to which I belong . ( Hear , hear . ) Ihave to apologise to the house for intruding myself on its attention ; and I once more declare I regret to have been the cause of occupying its attention for one moment . ( Hear , hear . ) Sir G . GiiBY . —Nothing , Sir , can be more satisfactory or more ample than the manner in which , during the early part of his observations , the hon . member for Sligo
retracted his letter tothe hon . member fox Bath . The casual expression in the latter part dropped from him unawares , and was not intended to qualify that retraction . But as the hon . member has placed the course he has taken partly on what he conceives to be the general feeling of the house , I should not do justice to my own feelings if I did not say a few words upon the subject . In common with my noble friend the member for Dorsetshire , I think the course pursued this night by the lion _, and learned member for Batli is the proper course whieh every member , under such circumstances , should always pursue , and I concur in the opinion , that the example now , for the second time , set by the hon . aud learned member , will be followed by any other member who may rpceive a hostile message for what may have been
spoken in debate . I concur also with my noble friend in his energetic denunciation' of tbis barbarous and unchristian practice . There is not one word used by him that I do not sanction ; and I am as opposed to the practice as any man in this house can be . I must at thc same time say , that my entire approval of the conduct of thc hou . and learned gentleman is limited to his conduct in this matter . ( Cheers . ) 1 cannot extend my unqualified approbation to the course he took on Friday night . I feel strongly , that when called to account by a hostile challenge , it was his duty as a member of the house to bring it before the house , instead of yielding to what might be the feeling out of doors ; but I feel also that he ought to have guarded himself ( cheers ) in the language he addressed to this house . Far be it from me from taking upon myself thc part of censor of the hon . and
learned member for Bath . I am sure he discharges , in whatever speech he may make , and whatever language he may use , what he conceives to be his duty ; but , after the feeling ofthe house had been shown on the general question , I should not do my duty if I did not say , that I think the terms of his statement werc calculated to give offence , and the hon . and learned gentleman must see that this is not necessary to maintaiu the freedom of speech in this house . I was in the house on Friday night , and I heard the speech of the hon . and learned gentleman ivith tliat attention to which all his speeches are justly ontitlcd for their talent and ability , and I thought at the time that it was calculated needlessly to cause irritation , and I am sure the hon , and learned gentleman will concur with nie , that truths may be spoken and in plain language , and yet tftat they need not cause irritation beyond the moment .
Sir It . Peel . —1 think , sir , that the hon . gentleman the member for Bath lias taken a course wliich is consistent with true courage , and one which he can take without any imputation remaining on him ; and at the same time 1 think that the hon . gentleman has made every retractation it was possible for him to make . He has unequivocally declared that he retracts the letter ; he has expressed his deep regret at bavin- ** written it , and be has apologised to the house ; and he has done what a person who has been betrayed into an act of this kind may , with equal credit to himself , do . Under these circumstances I trust the hon . and learned gentleman Will see he has received such reparation that he himself will withdraw the motion . ( Cheers . ) I think he has set an example wliich may be worthily followed , and at the same time I think that the hon . member who was in error has also set an example witli perfect credit to himself , by making the most ample and best reparation in his power . I trust , therefore , tliat the hon . and learned gentleman will not press his motion .
Mr . E . B . Hociie did not rise to prolong this unpleasant discussion , on which they must all unwillingly enter , but he trusted he might be allowed to say , that they never would have arrived at this unpleasant state ifthe house had , as it ought to have done , interfered when the hon . member for Bath made those observations . What was their present position ? It was not the right of auy member of that house to make personal observations , and tliey could not make imputations without creating unpleasant feelings , and some indignation in the bosoms of those who were treated in this manner . He took it , that it was under these feelings that the hon . member for Sligo acted in the course he had adopted . He would not express any
opinion on the prudence of that course . The course of the lion , and learned member for Bath might , on the whole , be the prudent and proper course , but he must limit his approval , as the hon , member for Devenport had done , to the hon . and learned member ' s conduct thiit night . The house , however , had its own character to maintain in preventing sueh unpleasant scenes from _Gccurrinjj ; and they ought IO Stop all that WOUld raise these feelings , cither in the home or out of it . He would not go so far as to say that the Speaker ought to get up and stop like remarks , but the house ought to show by strong intimations its own feelings against sueh exhibitions , and so stop the occurrence of anything unpleasant _.
Mr . Hume said that no man was a greater enemy to the practice of duelling than lie was , and he was willing to make every allowance for what happened in the heat of debate . He spoke feelingly , for no one , probably , had required more , allowances in this respect than he had done ; but this case was entirely different . Many hon , members might have received such aletter as that written to his hon . friend , in such a way as to lead to the destruction of themselves and their families . Thehouse ought not , therefore , to try his hon , friend for his speech the other night , and so he thought the right hon . baronet ( Sir G . Grey ) had taken an erroneous view of the question . He was for supporting all their privileges ; if there was one which was more important than any other it was the freedom of speech in that house ; and if there was any manner in which that ' freedom could be more seriously attacked than in auy other , it was by sending a hostile
message . Let him call their attention to the situation in which his hon . friend was placed : hc had been held up elsewhere in language which few members would endure , and was be not to be at liberty to express his deep sense of the injury he had received , and was the right hon . baronet to lay down the rule of how his hon . friend was to express his opinions ? If they were to have freedom of speech every member must express his own sense of injury in his own way ; and if he were wrong , he might at once be called to order , as acting against the rules ofthe house . Tbey ought not to try him for an expression of opinion , when the question was , what had been the conduct of another member towards him . He humbly submitted that the house ought to affirm the motion , that this was a breach ofthe privileges ofthe house —( cheers ) , and whatever step might be taken afterwards , no one would be disposed to act more tenderly , or with more liberality , than he was .
Sir R . _JI . Ingiis most cordially thanked the hon . and _learntd member for Bath for having brought forward this question , which showed both moral and ph ysical courage . Ho also thanked his noble friend ( Lord Ashley ) for second _, ing the motion , and for the truly noble and Christian manner in which he had discharged that duty , lie rose also to say , that if it was the pleasure of the house to allow the motion to be withdrawn , they sheuld not do it without entering at the same time upon their journals , that the hon . member for Sligo had in his place acknowledged his error , had apologised to the hon . member for Bath and to thc house , and had expressed his regret that the letter had been written . Less than this would not satisfy the justice of the case , and secure to hon . members the privilege , which , whatever might become of their other privileges , was the first and most essential , the free expression of opinion in that house .
Lord Howick entirely concurred with the hon . gentleman that the motion ought not to be withdrawn without some entry , at all events of the ground , and without saying tbat the apology of thc hon . member for Sligo had been accepted as full satisfaction . But he would go further ; he would say they ought first to afflim the motion ofthe hon . member for Bath—( cheers ) , —and having affirmed tliat , they should add that a full and ample apology liaving been tendered in his place by the lion , member for Sligo , the house would not proceed further in the matter . Tliis was tho proper course , or if the motion werc withdrawn it would appear as if they were not prepared to declare that a challenge sent by one member ofthe house to another member for words spoken in that house was a breach of privilege . As he agreed with the noble lord the member for Dorsetshire , and with the rig ht hon . baronet the member for Devonport , that tliey were deeply obliged to the hon , and learned member for Batli for the course he had taken , he for one was not prepared to consent to the motion being
withdrawn . Viscount _Paimerston . —I concur in substance with the view taken by my noble friend ; but , at the same time , if wc pass this resolution , containing the name of a particular individual , we shall make it appear t ? _i , it this particular person has incurred blame and censure , and
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as the general feeUng is , that my hon . friend the member for Sligo has made an ample apology , the object of his noble friend would be obtained by a general resolution , af . firming that itis a breach of the privileges of thishouse to take notice , by a hostile message , of what has passed in this house . I quite agree that the hon . member for Bath deserves the thanks of the house for the course he has taken , and it is impossible for any man to express in stronger language than I will be disposed to do , that the course taken by my hon . friend the memberfor Sligo is not only a breach of tho privileges of this house , but a blow at the constitutional privileges of Parliament , Jt is , therefore , absolutely essential , to enable this house properly to discharge its duties , that such proceedings should not be repeated . But , on the other hand , I do
entreat the house to attend to the observation made by the right hon . member for Devonport ( Sir G . Grey ); every man should bear in mind , that if he is not to be personally responsible for that which he may feel it his duty to state in debate , he should take especial care that that which he does say shall not be calculated to give unnecessary personal offence . ( Cheers . ) And without , I trust , being supposed to take upon myself the office of critic , I must say , that witliout going into the question whether the censure passed by the hon . and learned member for Bath was in itself just or not ( and I might be disposed very much to concur in the general view he took that the hon . members he referred to were not justified in their absence from their place in Parliament ) , yet I think he will feel , on reflection , that the observations
made by him , not merely on Friday night , but on former occasions , uponmembersrepresenting Irish constituencies , and the manner and language in which they were made , did overstep those bounds which are at all necessary for the _fullfreedom of debate , or for the purpose of expressing to the utmost of proper constitutional latitude any opinion which one hon . member may entertain of the conduct of another . ( Cheers , ) I trust that while this house shall interpose effectually to prevent hostile proceedings out of doors for language expressed here , every member will feel it on this account more especially his duty , with a view to preserving the public respect for our position and standing , to abstain from using language which can give justifiable offence or wound unnecessarily the feelings of another , ( Cheers . )
The SrEAKEB said , it would perhaps assist the house in coming to a conclusion if he read to them what would be the entry on the journals of what had nowpassed : — "The hon . member for Sligo stated in his place that , seeing the feeling of thehouse to be in condemnation of the course he had taken , he had no hesitation in expressing , in the most unequivocal manner , his regret that be had written the letter , and his wish to withdraw any offensive expression used therein to the hon . and learned member for Bath , and at the same time to express his regret tliat the attention of the house should have been occupied with a matter personal to himself ; trusting what he had now said would pi _* ove satisfactory to the house . " ( Hear , hear . )
Sir Vf . _Somebvivue said , that though it was irregular to allude to what had passed in former debutes , Irish members could not always forget it , and some allowance ought to be made for the excited feelings of the hon , member for Sligo . He believed that lion , gentleman had never been guilty of an unkind or harsh expression towards any individual ( hear , hear ); and it would be dealing hardly with him if the hon . and learned member for Bath were not to allow him to retract his letter . Mr , _Boebcck said , that ho had brought before the house an offence against its privileges , and not against his own feelings * , and when the house felt its privileges defended , far be it from him to throw any impediment in the way , He could not , however , admit in any degree the charge brought against him by the right hon . member for
Devonport ( Sir G . Grey ) , for it was a charge . He ( Mr . Roebuck ) had expressed an opinion concerning conduct whicli he then believed , and still believed , tbe most mischievous that could be pursued for the interests of this great eountry ; he used language that accurately described his feelings and opinions on that subject ; he did more—he had a right to do that . What he said before was true . Fault ought to have been found with him then , and there might have been opportunity ( wliich he would not now take ) of satisfying the house that his language was mild , gentle , guarded ( a laugh ) , as compared with tbat employed against this house generally , and against liimself individually . ( Cheers . ) But he did not ask any apology to himself ; he wanted none ; the privilege of thehouse had been vindicated , and that was all he sought for , ( Cheers . )
Mr . Smith O'Biuen . —I had no intention of addressing the house upon this question ; but reference has been made by the hon , and learned member for Bath to the expressions with which he insulted me , in a manner which I appeal to you , sir , with the most perfect confidence , to declare to be unparliamentary , assigning to mc as an individual the basest motives . ( " Order , order !" " Chair , chan ! " ) The Speaker , —Nothing could be more irregular than for the hon . member to make exception to words spoken in a former debate . He should bave taken exception to them at the time . ( Hear , hear . ) Mr . _ltoEBOC £ . —1 will go a step further , ( " Order , order . " ) I rise to order . 1 have been accused of using language unfit to be heard in this house . The hon . member has just used that language towards me , and I say he ought to be called upon to retract his expression . ( " Order . " )
Lord J . Manners . —I think , sir , tliat as you have in . tcrposcd in the case of the hon . member for Limerick ( Mr . Vf , S . O'Brien ) , in the same way a stop ought to be put to further observations from the hon . and learned member for Bath . Mr . Turner made some observation respecting duelling in the army and navy , but the exact purport of it did not reach us . Mr . "W . Smith O'Brien , —Tho hon . and learned member for Bath has reasserted every offensive expression he used on Friday night , ( " "No , no . " ) Am I mistaken or not ?
The Speaker . —If the hon . and learned member for Bath made use of any expression this evening or on a former evening which could strictly bo called unparliamentary , it would be my duty to interrupt him . It did not appear to me thathe did so , nor did it so appear to any hon . member , and I was not called upon to interfere on the former night ; and I certainly cannot admit that any expression wliich has fallen from him this evening will bear that construction . ( Hear , hear , ) Sir If , Vf . Barron said , that when a case of this kind occurred , in wliich the hon . and learned member for Cork was a -paity fat this moment Mr . O'Connell entered the house amidst a roar of laughter at the coincidence ] , he was told to he extremely cautious in his language ; but no such caution had been administered to the hon . and learned member for Bath , who was in the habit of using dictatorial language and offensive expressions towards many hon . members .
The Speaker said , the hon . gentleman could not mean to accuse the hon . and learned member for Bath of making use of offensive language towards any hon . mem . ter that evening , because nothing had fallen from him that could be offensive to any man . Sir H , W . Barron did not mean to say that it was . ( Order—Hear , hear . ) All he wished to mark was tho distinction between this case and the former ; and he thought he saw in it something of party spirit . At all events , the hon . and learned member for Bath ought not to use offensive language if he meant to shelter liimself under the plea of privilege , but ought to be exceedingly cautious in his words .
Sir R . Peel said , he was sorry the noble lord opposite had exercised the privilege of opposing the withdrawal of the motion ; the privileges of the house had been sufficiently vindicated by the ample apology made—a course highly creditable to the hon . member . ( Heav , hear . ) The hon , and learned member for Bath had occasion to take the same course last year upon a letter which was move decided , and yet the house was content to let it pass witliout any record on its journals that it was a breach of privilege . At the same time there was the case of Jfr . Hope , now tho Lord Justice Clerk , wliere the letter was a challenge , but in consequence of the ample explanation
given at the bar , the house resolved to proceed no further . As to its being , as stated in tin ' s motion , ' * a contempt and breach of privilege , " he ( Sir R . Peel ) doubted whether it was exactly a contempt of the house ; he thought that word must be left out . The house might resolve that it was a breach of privilege , and then that , in consequence of thc explanation given by the lion , member , it would proceed no further . He would suggest that course , though it would have been more satisfactory to him ifthe noble lord had allowed the motion to be withdrawn . If compelled to vote , he ( Sir R . Peel ) could not deny that it was a breach of privilege .
Lord Sandon suggested that the previous Question might be moved . Lord Howick said , that the appeal of the right hon . baronet to him supplied the strongest reason tbr his persevering in resisting the withJrawal of the motion , because ho had stated that this was not the first time this had taken place : the motion on a former occasion was allowed to be withdrawn—it passed in effect for nothing , and now a similar transaction had occurred . He had no wish to visit what had occurred with any severity , but hc thought the resolution oughtto be passed with the
amendment suggested by the right hon . baronet ( Sir II . Peel ) , and there the affair might end . The hon . and learned member for Bath , liaving his feelings appealed to , could not avoid consenting to withdraw his motion ; but it was for other hon . members , not interested , to exercise their undoubted privilege of objecting to that . He would move as a resolution to follow it , — " That , in consideration of the ample apology made by the hon . member for Sligo , in his place , to the house and to the hon . and learned member for Bath , this house will not proceed any further in this matter . "
Sir V . Blake thought the house was adopting a mistaken principle ; it wentthe length of establishing aright on the part of one hon . member to call another a rascal ( a laugh ) , and there was no remedy to the individual if tho Speaker called him to order and obliged him to retract ; but , in the event of thc Speaker not domg so , then it would be highly indiscreet in the offended party to write a letter ( a laugh ); it would be safer and more politic to consult whether it would be most prudent to take off thc ofi ' ending party ' s nose with a ball , or to pluck it up by the roots altogether . ( Laughter . ) He could not concur in the general _vniucTstanding as to what was the privilege of Parliament ; he considered it to be a right given by the Crown to speak freely political sentiments , and not a right to one member to give offence to another . Some remedy ought to be adopted to prevent the habitual indul . genee of this passion on the thepart of thehon , and learntd member for Bath ,
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The motion of Mr . Roebuck was then carried , omitting the words " contempt and ; " after which Lord Howick ' 8 resolution was also carried .
THE " HOME ECONOMY . " On the motion of Sir R . Peel , the house then resolved itself into a Committee of the whole house to consider her Majesty's most gracious message respecting Sir H . Pottinger , In the committee Sir R . Peel stated that her Majesty had expressed a wish tbat a pension of £ 1 , 500 a-year should be settled upon Sir II . Pottinger . Ho , therefore proposed a resolution to that effect , and that the payment of the pension should commence from the day on which he ceased to receive pay as her Majesty ' 6 plenipotentiary in China . He also intended to accompany this resolution with a stipulation that future _employment in the public service should not disentitle to the receipt of this pension , which was given as a reward for past public services .
After a slight grumble against the resolution from Mr , Williams , and a warm support given to it by Sir ' 3 . _Staun . ton and Lord Palmerston , it was passed _iicmiiifi contradlcente . The house then resumed , and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow .
IRISH banking . Sir . It . Peel then moved the third reading of the Bank _, ing ( Ireland ) Bill . Mr . S . O'Brien could not allow this bill to pass its last stage without entering his protest against it , Mr . O'Connell also expressed his dislike to this bill instead of restricting , they ought to increase the currency of Ireland , if they wished to restore prosperity to that country . Sir R . Peel defended the bill , Thc solidity anil solvency of the banks were more necessary than an _increRiie o 5 paper currency to give increased elasticity to the energies of Ireland . After a short discussion , in which Mr . _Trelawney , Mr . Ross , Mr . Hawes , and Mr . Williams joined , the bill was read a third time , and , after certain clauses brought up by Mr . S . O'Brien and Sir W . Somerville had been negatived , was passed .
TnE new colleges bill Sir James Graham then moved thatthe report of thc committee of the whole house on the grant from the Consolidated Fund to the new colleges in Ireland be brought up . Mi " . Osborne postponed to a future stage of the bill the amendment on this motion , which stood in his name on the votes . Sir J . Graham then said , that as Loid J . Russell was absent , he would postpone giving the explanation which he had promised as to the alterations lie intended to introduce into the bill itself to Thursday next , when he wonld move tliat it be committed .
Mr . J . O'Coxnell suggested to Sir J . Graham that as the Roman Catholic Bishops of Ireland wore to have a meeting on the subject of this bill on the 2 tib inst ., he should postpone the committal till a wee ! : after that time , in order that the house and the country might be put in possession oi" tiie opinion which they might have formed of its practicability and of its merits , Mr . Hume hoped that Sir James Graham would not postpone the next stage of the bill for any such reasons . Mr . Sheil reminded Sir J . Graham , that when the bill was first introduced , he had warned thc Government tliat they had done wrong in not consulting thc Roman Catholic bishops of Ireland upon its enactments , . _'iince that time the Roman Catholic bishops had signed certain resolutions , in wliich they declared thc enactments ofthe bill to
be dangerous to faith and morals , but gave _ca-dit to her Majesty ' s Ministers for good intention iu introducing it . The objection- ' stated in their memorial appeared to be insuperable ; and thc members of her Majesty ' s Government , on being asked how far they concurred in thc suggestions for their removal contained in ihat memorial , replied , that it was with great sorrow that tlicy had come to the conclusion that it was not consistent with tlieir duty to assent to them . Some alterations had since been made in the bill , and Lord J . Russell had declared his approbation ofthe alterations , but not of the . bill itself considered as a whole . Sir J . Graham had been asked , whether he would consent to allow a Roman Catholic and a Protestant chaplain to be attached to these collegiate institutions , and to pay each of them by thc State , and also whether he would consent to alter the clause which
gave to the Crown the appointment of all thc professorships . He had postponed till this day his answers to those questions ; and he ( Mr . Sheil ) now wished to know whether Sir 3 , Graham would 'inform the house whether any change had been made in the bill in the two important particulars to which he had just referred , and whether the Government had taken advantage of the delay afford them for the purpose of further communication with the Roman Catholic bishops , and if so , whether those prelates approved the alterations introduced into thc bill * Mr . Colquhoun said , that before 3 ir . 7 . Graham answered these questions , he must beg to enter his protest against tbat house calling into its councils any hierarchy , and more especially onc wliich had assisted Mr . O'Connell in his project for the dismemberment of the empire . Government ought to consultits own judgment , and not to take advice from an ecclesiastical synod of
Repealers-Mr . O'Connell would not agitate the _oucstion of repca on the present occasion . All he rose to say was , tliat the Roman Catholic bishops of Ireland bad never dis-3 eussed the nature ofthe education which was 4 o be given to Protestants ; tliey had only discussed the nature of tlio education to he given to Roman Catholics . He claimed for them full right to interfere in the education of the youth oftheir own faith , He thanked Sir . "ft , Inglis for having _disignsvted this bill as a bill for propagating a gigantic scheme of godless education . Ho had come over to the House of Commons for the express purpose of insisting tliat it should make religion an essential part of education , as in point of fact it was in its own nature . He hoped that they woidd be able to discuss that question with temper , and the mode of doing so would be not to follow thc example of Mr , Colquhoun .
Sir James Graham hoped that the discussion of this question would continue to be conducted , as it had hithereto been , with good temper . He gladly subscribed to the opinion that the judgment of tliat house ought not to submit to the dictation of any hierarchy whatever . He felt , however , that on the subject of the education of the Roman Catholic population of Ireland , tlic opinion of tlic Roman Catholic prelates of that country ought to be treated with respect . He admitted thai Ion ) Hc . vtesbmy hud received a new memorial from them—nay more , that he had had a long conference with them , He had reason to hope that some oftheir objections to the bill had been mitigated in consequence of the explanation which had then taken place ; and some of his amendments had been made in conformity with their objections . Since that conference , no further communication had taken place
between Lord Heytesbury and those prelates . With re spect to thc further alterations which he had to propo ;* upon the bill , he would not say that they had been submitted to the consideration of the Roman fatliolic bishops , nor was it fitting ihat they should be . The plan of education would be to exclude religious education from the system taught within the walls of the college , and to afford every facility for furnishing it without the walls to every sect and religious denomination . He assured the house , that after the bill had passed through committee , full time should be given before it's third reading for the full consideration of it bythe _peopk of Ireland , Looking , however , to the state of public business and to the advanced period ofthe session , he felt that he should be betraying his public duty if he postponed the committee on tlic bill to a later day than Thursday next .
After a desultory conversation , in which Mr . Wyse , Sir Vf , James , Mr . Jephson , Mr . E . B . Roche , and Mr . Hope joined , the resolution was agreed to , and ordered to be inserted in the bill . The committee on the bill was then postponed tiU Thursday next . Sir G . Clerk obtained leave to bring in a bill to continue for five years longer an Act of her present Majesty , for excluding certain bills of exchange and promissory notes from the operation of the laws respecting usury . 'flie other orders ofthe day were then disposed of , and the house adjourned .
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Americas Slavery . —Homuble Story WeJeara from indubitable authority that Mrs . . Hollowav , wile of Mr . Holloway , of Person county ( who was " once a incmber of our Legislature ) , having prevailed on her husband , oue day last week , to tic the hands of one oi * their negro women , beat and tortured her to death . It is said that she heated a pan handle red hot and ran it down the negro's throat , besides burning her hps to a crisp . This horrid tale about the burning , seems ioo incredible to be believed , and we mention it , on the authority of rumour , without vouching for its accuracy . The negro was privately buried eight feet deep , in an obscure place , and Mr . and Mrs . Holloway made their escape to parts unknown to tlic neighbours , doubtless to Texas . Whether Mr . Holloway was accessory to thc murder further than to tic the negro , we are not apprised . —Rkfavmd . Star , April 24 .
Mag azine is _Okkney !—A northern contemporary remarks- .- "The Orkney Literary and Scientific Uub intend publishing a quarterly _magazine during this year , which is intended to be called ' Tho _Orknsy and Zetland Literary Quarterly Magazine . ' Amongst the subjects which arc proposed to be admitted into its pages _are-1 . The ancient histoiy of Orkney and Zetland .-2 . The natural history of Orkncr , Ac .-rf . ihe agriculture and fisheries of the county . — - ! _, ihe natur al advantages and disadvantages of the county—its peculiarities—its grievances—its people —their character , manners , < fec . _~ their social and domestic condition—their superstitions , Sic , —5 . All matters of general interest to the county or any part ot it . —0 . Passing cvents-Oreadcan tales , legends , ami _advcntuves-original poetry , and other miscellaneous articles . "
Oopv op a Letter sest ro Mr . _Houowav , _ATiEsriw as bxiuAoraraanr Cure .- " i , John Green , a builder , residing at No . 9 , Windmill-street , Finsburysquarc , London , do solemnly declare that mv wife was afflicted for three years with a dreadful ulcerated * Si and that she consulted several eminent surgeons , and likewise two physicians , without receiving any benefit whatever . 1 further declare that , after every other means had failed , she has been radically cured by the use alone of Holloway ' s PiUs and Ointment , winch were used together . _Siened—Jolm Green . "
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Northern Star (1837-1852), June 21, 1845, page 6, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_21061845/page/6/
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