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      MBSB . eOTIBT GF JUSTICIARY . " ¦ ¦ ' w - --: ' ... - . _ . - ¦ » ¦ ' . : ¦ " . - *• ¦ ¦ - ¦ ¦ ¦ - : ¦ ; ^ TB 1 AL <> F THE COTTON SPINNERS - Wkdhehjat , 'JxsxjxveS . : / " Ting day the postponed trial of Thomas Hunter , ^' e ^ HsekettjEifitordAi ^ eflli . Janie * GVb % and WitHalm iiy >« n » wtton-spjnnerej for iHegal ^ com-^ saxtieni xs * &ult , fire-raising , and mnrder , was ^ gua ^ ro ^ k ) forward . ' The indictment on- this ~> s « 4 s £ o ' n wae in the fann of criminal letters , con-¦ MSsaingfeW if any additional charges .: It set forth , ^ afltat several yearaago , the precise time unknown , a -igeeai number <) f cotton spinners formed themselves ^ 9 a $ * : a « oniMnationfor the purpose of keepingup the . grace of wages : $ nd more effectually to attain . their - -o&ject , Jthey administered to each other , a Wcret -asih , binding the -members to execute every task - «« fdch . ikemajority might : impose- ; and the said -atfxitta&miest&red from time to time to strike work , <* ' *' l'MW *> MgBi !^ T r" ~ T ~ M nrrT » wr r ™ ^ " - '''" *^'

      ¦^ a » 3 « n these occasions they appointed certain- of siferar number to be a guard committee , to watch the - * Bttonm 2 b where work was struck , and by means - * &f menaces , molestation , and threats , to deter others ^ wh Working-in said mills—of which several specific ^ Sstfit ^ oeeS ^ were brought forward ; and , that the pef-^ Jis ^ atsrsof said cnmM might escape justice , they jSfsecsrei law-agents , or other persons , to become < - « easiif » aerg in the-bail-bondrequired to be executed "iferXhe . appearanee of ^ the accused to stand trial * apd i § &ce in their hands the amount in money of the . ^ ealfcjr to be paid in forfeitnre by ths flight aud "Agitation ofJiae accused . Another charge was , t ! 23 te £ they had conspired to write threatening letters * a the masters -and managers , M'XeDl being

      specifically charged with writing one of these letters , = xs . dwa with having forcibly invaded the dwelllng-~ sS » sse * of the ¦ workmen , and assaulting them , tor ^ Sse irarpose of deterring them from taking work . Jbsa that , in order to carry this object into eflVct , g&ej appointed a secret select committee , the names *« f which were kept secret , from the general meia-Ses , and . are nnknown to the prosecutor . And ^ & 2 . t the prisoners were all members of tlie said -association in January , 1 S 37 , and were so at the -atetes of the crimes libelled ; and that , some time in £ 537 , Thomas "Hanier was chose n prudent of the 3 ctM Association , Peter Hackett , treasurer , Richard -i&SdSL , secretary , and James Gibb , assistant secrc-¦ : & ergz and William M * Lean was appointed a inein-^ aezef the guard committee . The indictment then ^« sit on to relate the specific facts , beginning with -sis srrlke of workiii the monch of Atirii lS 3 r . wiieu

      sSbe trial was formerly brought forward . 'It * charged Xioaaaas Hunter , the president , wixli having proposed x 3 se . secret committee , and the othiT prisoners wirli . ¦ 5 sab g been present at the meeting , and concurring 5 a toe appointment of said conuniuee . The charge -a ^ snurder was to file effect that , on tie 22 d July , -iSJJU the secret coininutee , and cbe four prisoners - ^ zs parties , did instigate M'Lean to assassinate a as ^ t oa spinner , by . shooting him withr . pistol , fur iSiejgam of £ ' 2 Q ; and accordingly , on the same night , ^ M * L « ia proceeded armed with , a pistol , an-1 in ^ OyiLe-street of Anderstou , Glasgow , discharged the ;* a £ tal at the parson of John Smith , residing in a ¦ aeaanssit culled Honldsworih ' s Barracks , in Cheap-^¦ de of Anderston ; and the said shot took effect on s ^ yxxson of the said John Smith , and one of the £ Lxs&ts penetrated his back , cad norutny "ffonnded - jrisrtj in consequence of which he died . The letters ; ± J * -s proceeded to charge the . crime against all the

      ijrH-sners . - . TLere were thirtr-three decuments and instrnssKSts labelled to be produced on the trial ; and Esiustv-one witnesses smnmuued on the part of the ^>< 3 «" u , and fifr . - -eight iu e ^ colpatiua . . _ . "yie indictment iiH . \ ing been Tead over , the pri-- ^^ 8 > sTssereraliy pleaieu Isct Guilry . Hz . Dnncaa At'Neiil on' the part of the prl--scayiDi took severi' . l «> b ] ectiviiis to tuls ponJerovi * iuificCEir"nt , particularly to the noubi- » tatiug 61 tiie -oaarge of murder . After n reply from tae'Solicitur ^ euy 3 nl , a coauitr reply from Mr . Robsnsou , aud i * sifie discisaion araoii !; tlse judge ? , " .

      i he second cuarje of mardrr ¦» a : witlrfrawn , aK / i coBsiut of the Pjs > . « eeut «« r ; nad ibe inJictintnt , aria this exception , was iit-Id "relevant . The follo * ising Jury was theii iiapaiiuelle-1 : — Jnlai Graham , fcrmer , ^ "Intburn . Sontli Feijguson , BSkint * T-. vrt James * Square . - -Jehu Eggo . merdi . iuu Chiirlot : e Street , Ltitii . tifnry Lediard , ^ "iewiield Cottngc , county of fvimburgh . " ^ rilliam Smith , agent , 3 Iorton Strt ^ t , Leith . - tfJeorge Bavne , mi-rdiAUt . Dnubar . : ¦^ edrse OxTey , harter , Can ^ ngate . Jlohert Martin , frocsr , East Caidi *! r . Joan Clark , grocer , Castis Street . JliMert White , meal dealer , Bath < rate . - ¦; _ Thnmas Ste \ -eusaa , brush maker , Soath College Soie ^ t .

      Alexander Stoddari , fanaer , Insliiton Plains . Da \ id Hid ;) ath , confectioner , Xicolsoa Street . . Matthew Krier , baker , Su Patrick Square . M ilUa . m . Barton , wright , Colintou . "There were seventeen j crymen chaBeaged on the gs * s-tef the prisoners . Tie Lord Justice Clerk , -said , from tbe great- imv ^ tstance of this case , it was euuaUy for the iutereit -4 f ^ li <; prisoners and oi the public tnatnopart of the •^ xiiiVkce should be published till the verdict of the ¦? 5 Tj * was given . If auy party published the eyileure Sxier * that time , the tourt " would intr . v howto dea ] "Vstis them . A » trd MoncrieS" said this suggestion was the more ii * e £ a * 3 ar * c , as tee prison tars inijiht have ' . fitUBsses - « KSi 5 ie enuence would fully explain away the import * £ xkz eviieace for the prosecution ; anrl , therefore , 3 he 2 o \ isht to be gfven 10 the pnl ) lic together . ¦ Tlia folioyrini wituesses were liiea eiauiined :

      < J « orge Sabnoud , Esq . Procnmtor Fiscal , was ^ r «« at when thepri- < ODerse : nirteJ their declaration .- - . " ^ iissLg- showu two dedaradoiis , identifies them as / Sasek- and volontsrilT emitted by Hunter , two by j £ t £ jsr Ilacket , i . iree " by M ^ eill / t wo by Gibb . and gr-ohj il'Lean . - "if slwz Moir , xUq . Sheriff ijuostknte of Lnnark , ¦* JU . t /< hr-rated tlie former \ vitni ?^~ . \ "isifc'i- Jphu 5 »^ iL before he died , iu the InSrmary , on Sunday 'S'Ss-cf JbIt , andtoak a deposition from uini . Ide : » - "Sr £ < fs » the deposition . Ta « man w .-ti- quite collected , ^ psii ? rctly distinct iu his answers ; the deposidon "was » a = ctrijily taken do-. sn . 3 y the Coort—Smith was perfectly aware tharlie - ¦ ys- dyiu ^ j . XiJ Connsel ior tae prisoners aduiittad that the czxides produced were those referred to in . the uecla-S £ li ? "Ui .

      J 4 r . iSahnond called . —Wzs present when Ike pri-*« je . > iri , with the exception of . M ' L « : ? ji . were ippre--Saneaed . They wer ^ apprehpudej in the house of ~ &plk . va . Smitii , liiacklay Close , Gallowgate Str ^ U * Qt : 3 L ?^ o"s r . Mr . . Sueriil Alisou , ilr . >> isa , " Capt . iliHr * r < i the "police , and a number of poiir ^ olliers . were "i"s . - < sarai . fiiure -srer ^ in the cieje a 2 : niuber of ^ es . ple- see ! niugly Ci-tloa spiuuers , wluta we wenL Jl-ji ^ Jberifl " , tririj Certain . Miller aai 2 ilr . ^ "isL , ts . d ueen before wimess ; an : when he went in , -i ** isiierin" and Captain iliiK'r had eone up a -tciili wooden stair , and v lien witness , got up , thev 'i ^; ax a less to iind the room . They at last riis--rsLacr < iJ . a room ; t-duks hj ; was the tirat tiiat eneVkv sud tlie prioouer Hunter was sitting on a ^ rifcir at the end ol a- table ; his back was to the &&sjc of the rooiru V » "itLU- * s ask&i if he-was cLe

      5 ^ r « a -taj , a = d he said Yes . Hackett *« us uear the up-» £ r -f-ui of the table , v . v . l to a > -ide ; tliiiikf Gibb was i - £ ' - ~ 2 £ a ^ ieep on soinethin | r like 3 s ^ fs , at" leaf : he . ^ Siptztzod t « be asleep . M'Keill w ; is not in that / Siiin , if he rememiiers right ; but . he was got .-in iiE adjoining room in the same . house , wLere hii -cdfc dso was . ^ yi ^ leii saw Miu bT ^ -a ^ lit iuu > the ^ xic-m , hut > jid not sea Lira apprehtuniei ; his wife 'j 3 U jstin-iiiu at the door , ' lbere uiiirlit be as or -acsaa . persrno in the xoom besides ; tiiey were all " ^ teu into castiwiy . A search was made of that .- ^ 9 * 21 , and aLo of a large x ^ om th :-y called ihe Coinssixese lloom . Some money "was futrud on Ilncketrs ^ ksxon i Mr . I ^ ish fbnn-i it , but wituesi saw it ^ akeis ^ thiaki ! it was ^ JT andashOLug . Hemen'"" Saiiiid that the £ 13 belonged to the Association , but r ± n jjJiilLing was his own . The money cous ' sted of jftsuse bank ilotes . Took a note of the mouev in his

      'ftxr-iook , ana has an extract of that now ; partrwas zp jjaits and part in silver , but he claimed only one of /¦ £ se-dnilings as his own . The money was afterwards « r 2 aiKie 4 on the part of the Assodanoa . Witness - " ¦ -links : t was one Jolfn Trotter who got it . Found jsTaat * - papers on the table of the small tjovj .. There -qnat ? also a . book lying oi > en before Hackett , and ' jsium . witness took it up , he said it was his . '» V ' e ¦ zsisaxio the large or Committee Room , where there ncsa ? ac iron safe standing on a frame ; it was locked ; JJPeijs iiackett gave us the key . There were some f j&dks in it , and a wooden lockfast place iu the frame , ^ •* 32 "jch required three keys to open it . Vi ' e got one J 5 * e ^ : fr < sxL Peter Hackett , and on asking who had the '< £ 2 & 2 X . he said he did not know who had them . It at

      - ^ "bse iitKtkfd open that lime , and we found in it a - _ gzel uf ¦ nii nnte , with-a hrrge red seal appended ini « aead of agnatures . " Theresas also one book in ^ asSkdlar , of smafl S 2 e ; there-nere two or three 436 S& 5 . Fomtd some large books , but cannot speak -aecially where they were found . Ail these things ^ "Eiajess ' can . identif / . ( Ths witness ideutiiied tuem = 3 Kj » idingly . ) A paper being handed to wimess , he * & 6 &it was given to him by Mr . Nish , as having been SSaexd at n subsequent penod . ( Witness here said he v ^ ac ^ tt ie h"ad lnade a mistake as to _ the name of j ^ -y fr > ar > \ rh > had got the money—his name was

      &zzkcsz , not Trotter . ) Found some printed papers ~ 3 ± « ac -of the dniwers of the desk . ' Tiere were -smxsei ' copies xhi ' . jx one . Being shown a placard , he -SicsiiSedit as oue . As Fiscal of the county , ' iuforssaSoa "Was ^ g iv ^ n to him of an outrage on a house - i '« n , j » p ? p& grfa . " odging by one Donochy , in July-last , ¦ gfr-jg ^ t ^ he 4 rif . > fmaaon about noon of the 1 st July , ¦ artiiie dj ^ rifrjii ^ pened : went imm ediately to the trfrpai- ^ - ^ J ^ reco ^ n osced in the neighbourliood ; or-^ buIx se arch m-rense ^ aence for RSldle , M'Manus , ^ tt / Jd'C ome ^^ bea , besidei other three that witn— tiw ~ ' t' In ijT had gone off with them . Did not ^^ BUaeti . in' ^ appJShending them . Imported the jMec ^ ifion ' . ' % & ¦ 3 &e JCnmn agent . Thesa three

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      ptenton * wereihdicte ^ stabd ; trial the next ( Srcuit of Glasgor # . Beiiif sKown ^ an indictment , he identified It . ' Being nhown a peoience of onlkwry againrt ftwe persons , he identified it * Has since leceivcfd'infijrmBtibns against these persons . CannDtrecoHect fee . precaBe date , bnt it is within a month . - In consequence of the information , he seat fcvManchesteiv apprehended Riddle , and he is now iii Glasgo / arjail ; ke is indicted for the same offence . Being shown a tin canister , witness identified it as being that ^ which he received from Mr . 'James Wood , cottoni p iiner , in Bridgeton ; received it in conseqnerice of » reported outrage . Witness went to the spdt to inquire , and Mr , Wood handed him the canister . The date was about the 14 th July : Aa

      soon as he got to Gla ^ pow , he ' went to every tinsmith in Glasgow to see'if they had sold * nch a thing , and John Ferguson , tinsmith , iu StockweU-street , on the same ni g ht , ideuritied it as having been made by him , -Being shown a document , he identified it as a j * etition and complaint made by him against DavidTveddie , and contains the procedure in Court on that occasin . Tbe charge against thu accused is one under what is called Hume's act , or the combination act , authorising a summary conviction before the . Sheriff , for molesting workmen ; Keddiewas found guilty . Mr . Gemmel attended as agent on his behalf ; he is sitting here to-day . After the prisoner was fonni guilty , Mr . Gemmel proposed that sentence should be delayed ; and he would use his influence . I think he said .

      Mr . ii'NeuL—Are we in a condition to go into &ntpuslnow . —Over-rnled . _ AVituess went on—Air . Gemmel said he wonld use hisinflaence to prevent such distarbances in future . He said he would use his influence with the committee to pntau end to the molestation of the workmen , Sentence was delayed in consequence ; at one time it was adjourned for a week , and latterly for two or three months . The statement was addressed to the Sheriff . Is certain that a change took place after this—jaw it himself—particularly at the Adelphi Factory ; the "numbers who snrrouiided it ha . d groatiy tiiniinished . fFhere was a cessation of disturbance . Knows amiu uumed Joliu Shuritf he is shopman to Mr . M'Dongal in the Arcade .

      Had otcasion to inquire of him about selling pistol bullets . Got for lum two bullete . It was shortly af ^ er Smith had been shot on the 22 d July ; and 1 gave the bullets to the medical gentleman who were io examine Smith ' s body . Wjis present when Siuith ' i deposition ' was made in the Infirmary . Smith was sensible at the time . He deliberately i « id correctly auswereJ the iiui'stioDS . The doctors brought back the bullet ? , with a flattened one , wai ^ h they said they toot out of the man ' * body . Ileiitified the flattened bullst . The bullets he got from Sheriff were precisely like those now shown . Anthony Nish , mt-. ssei . j : er-at-aniis . —Proved the second declaration of JVI'Lcau . Accompanied the Sheriff and Fiscal wheu they went to apprehend the

      unsiTwrs iu Blackboy Close , - Gaiiowgite . Fonnd lour there . —Ail . escape M Leaa . SuarcJied them or saw them searched . Fouud . j £ 19 on Hackett . Fnond books and papers in the xooin . There wiis a sate in tlie u . ijoiniug ri > om . l"hey said the safe was theirs . Got the key , ¦ witn essbelieves , "from Hackett , and fonnd : i box iniine contaiuiuiithree lock ? . Got the key of one lock from . Hackett , who said he did not know who had the others . Witness broke it o ^ eu . [ Here witness ideutided the various articles . ] ileJEi'intera being desired to search for a uerson aa : ned Thomas Riddle , accused of icvadiug" a dwelling-Louse . Received Jirectious from ilr . Salnrond thv Fiscal . Y » * as r . uauccessful ; and : \! sj : or-MrManus and M'Coffle , equally uusuccessful .

      Aieiander Cmminghivin . Fouud certain document-, w '; . ich iieiJeutiiied . They were letters and part * of letters- ' " . * The Lord Advocate said , before examining the next witness . Le wished to state , "that they Lad experienced tiie greatest . posnble diiiiculty in procuring the persons to giv < j e « deuce in thismatti-r ; and he had given to the witness about to be examined , and to the others , an -assurance of tlie fullest protertior which the law cr . uld give , b-. itu before and aiter tria ]—an assurnuce whinh lie-vris-.: e . i the Court now to reuew . ily . wished also to pnt it to the-counsel on the opposite side" whether thyy

      would , nnder these drcumstauci-s , examine tlieui iniiiifialiltifsas to any thing that had been done in the precognitiou , by putting questions which inij ; ht deeply affect the personal satVty of these witnesses ; or whether they wonld not rest satisfied with tKkuowledg-e tliut the matter hr . J been conducted bv " nu individum of the learuiug m : d experiencR of Mr . Sheriff Alison , whose name I : e considered a gnarautee that iiothingimprui > erhad been done or attempted iuthe matlt'i" . lie uid uot wish to conceal any thing ; hi- learned friends misrht do as they iiketi ; but he left it to their dis' -retiou whut courie to follow .

      Mr . D . M'NVill said , if tli ; - Lord A-lvijtate would state whatconrse had be >* u ' ij «* . o ^' ted , they wtre quite willing : to takt * it upon lus stat-oient . The-Lord Advocate sai j , as far as he was concerned , aii he did was to givt them the assunintv o : protection . Ivlr . ltoben . son . —O , that was quite prayer . James Moat was the next "witness cullei ; but before he was sworn , Mr . Andersiju , oa behalf of the pnunels , objected to his adaiis .-ibih * ty , on the groiiuu tliat a re » ;» rd ot £ 100 , in a-. ' .- ' . ition to a reward of i ' o !> J bv the Sherifi

      of La :: ark _ sliire , had b »\ in offered by Lord John Rn .- ^ ell on the part of the Cro ~ n , ' -far snch m : \ ir mation 2 nd evidence as might leal I ) the discovery and conricti-ja o ! the murderer ur marJeMrs " -ui the man Smiih . Aa-undue bias- " wag tlras jrlven to the witaefs . tj render his evidence such as would entitle him to the reward offered . He submitted that the oijjfction to Moat ' s evidi * na * ui these circunisiances wosagojj oni . ' . lie added , that m poiat oi i .-jct . a iiew . < pupi-r ccutioversy li ; id bi * en carried on between ceriaiu of the " witnesses v-iih reguri to their respective cl ; iiins to receive the rewavd ofiertM .

      TLe Solidtiir-GeiK-rnl s :. M , he w ; is much at 2 . lo-- . - ; to c-jiiteive w ] jy bis learned friends should obji-cl ' t ;) Moaiseiiili-iii-e—for . if-the olyfctlon LelJ i-ood ia regard t j f . ue witness in the trin . 1 , "' it jtr .-t i- ^ uaily apply to the viml * witni'sses—not 3 p . s to Xlr . Snllaond and xl-. v other two ¦ vritnesse * who had n ' reaJy i > een exiiniuc-i , than to those now- to be ex-j-. uiiuM —If-cppHcable at all , it might be proper to sir . te thtobjecuon when UV- wituessvs cauie lo ha c . \; Uni : jed upon t . ie mv . rder ; bui it came odd eiiough . beiore iloathad ojvnedhi ^ moutu . - Mr . P . Rdbertson admitted fiat the objection v . -a =. premature if Mo ? . c was not tu be examined as to t ! itf Biardtr ; but he ( Mr . R . ) undent uid " that" ihe Cro \ vn Counsel hnd said they were to do sv > .

      The S ;) licitor-General hnd never said a v-vrl abont th « t ; but there was . no doubr he inuaiit to examine M-jatalxrat a \ -arIety of tHucrs , uudtdjilit c : 'bn ? iiear t <> theiuuritr : dso . Tht ; Li- ^ racd ' Geiitleinan tb ? n pror-,-e- 'Jei to quote a passrige from Alison on Criminal-Law , cIiovriDg tlist it wa-noi a good objit-tioii to a wltu-. ' ^ s tliat he isad livrtj ofiered a r ^' . viiTvl for kis evidence by slatuie or by . iho pnblic aathwrirles , though it liiigiit uiil-ct his credibility . He showed that the same priuciple v .: is recojuised in ihe Eusliih Courts ; a-ud iirtiucd tL . it if a contrary principle w «; e to l >^ adi £ iiu *> i , i : wouii shut the door from any rewa . 'd ever Lcing oiT ^ red t-. > a witness .

      Ti : e L ^ rd Advocate sai , that instead of ai-. y witness ha \ ing come forward to give ; evidence iii consequence of tbe offer of a . reward , it-w : ' . s ;; remuikable feature of this case that r . o persrn l >; jj come ^ forward 10 claim the reward , uud Ue belifcvea the idea of a reward had Uv'ver entered into their miuds ; on iLe coutran' , they were most reluctant witnesses , and requiretl the strongest assurances' oi protecticii " ucfore they would give evidence at .: ? ll . As to the newspaper controversy 0 : 1 the . respeclive cliihns of witii-v . > s--i-.-i 10 the reward , he coal . d only «> v he had liever ^ hsard of it . ,- " . " -- " iir . HoLertson , after remarking lLat as ye ? there was no proof before iLe CuurL as to \ . hu reluctance of witnesses to b « exnuiiiie ;! . iirf > i-. »;^! p . i reluctance 01 witnesses ro ye exanmieujiroiveued

      , to beg the Court to look at the circtr ; u > t : iuces iu which the rewr . rd was offered iu the yvtewat case . It was not a reward otiered by tba st ' ^ iute ifi ' . r of th& laud . It was not from a " third party without the knowledge of the Croail . Th < j peculiarity of this-casH was , that it was not a reward offered for the discovery " ot iLe ninrderers , payable on c . uviction . It was a promise ol ' . a reward to perso ^ .-i to give " such iu ' -. irmuti'j . i and evidence as wouid ieuu to the ciscovery and conviction of the inurcert-r or murderers . " The witui'ss , tht-ivfore , assuming that he knows of the exiiteuce of the rer / ard at the dine he is giving his eriueuce , must feel mat lie is receiving the reward payable upon the convicri .: ii of fueprisouers " . If it were said tuat the witness had never beard of tie reward , thai might then be tiie subject 01 investigation .

      Their Lordships on the beach then consulted together for a lVw moments ; after which they severally stated their opinions at length against the * objection —the sum oi " which was , that the admissibility of witnesses under such circumstances was fvdly consulted by the law of Scotland ; and tliat if it were othprwise , the consequence would inevitably follow , mat whenever Government offered a reward lor information respecting any atrocious deed , a step which was absolutely necessary for the ends of public justice , file-very act " of o ffering the reward would destroy every chauce of the crime being detected . It would be different if the reward were offered directly and secretly , and for the purpose of bribing to tell an untruth , but it "was offered publicly and for the truth . But though the cirenmstancei of a reward being offered , as in this case , could not affect the sdmissinility of the witnesses , itmight noect their credibility T-he ' Ldrd Justice Clerk then repelled the objection , Mid the Court t » rocetwej to examine .

      Jam ?* Moat ; preliminary to which , Lord Moncrieft" renewed the assurance a ! ready given by the Loid Advocate , of the full protection of the law . He then proceeded to ^ tate thr . t he is a cotton sphiEer ; has been so for more than twenty years ; belongs to the Association of cotton spinners ; wm iuiaatea more than nvo vears B * rb . By being initiated . Lo

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      means thai Tie was taken to ajjublio-hpnse , and there sWbrn _ toconpeal the proceedingsofthe As ^ pciatiou , rind'fo ' stand by-the resolutions of ^ e majority . Thsjt oath j he believes , diasance then continued to be administered to new membersi . Witness has never ceased to be b ¦ inemberiof the Association since he entered , except for three years , during which time he paidmoney-into the Association ^ The time he first ceased to pay was in 182 ( J , and he joined it again ia 1830 ; wan not re-sworn ou entering at that timei . Witness has seen others sworn ^ nce he first became a member , but does not remember haying seen any sworn since 1830 . He knows , however , that it is the rule of tiie Association to swear in

      members on first entering . \ Vitoess was . a member of the jjunply committee at one ti > ne , perhaps about J 822 or 1823 ; -was also a member of the snpply committee which war appointed during the fiist strike . In ordinary circumstances , and where there is no strike , there is only one committee—the finnnce , for managing for general purposes ; but when particular circumstances arise , special committees are appointed . A general strike took place at the end of-1826 , at which time a supply committee was apK pointed . The supply committee was different fcotd the finance committee . As far a * " his knowledge leads , he would say that the object of that committee -was to collect supplies from the members , and in short to take the chief management of the

      concerns of the Association . Witness does tibt recollect of a guard committee being appointed in 1824 , or before 183 ? . There was a secret committee in _ existence , he thinks : iu 3824 . the secret committee was appointed out of the district committees . There were three districts in which the various ; works are situated ; four men were sent from each district , and out of the twelve sent from the three districts , three men were chosen ns a secret committee . They were nominated by the president or director of tb ' e whole committee . The names ' of the secret committee were not revealed to the tr . ide generally ; they were known only to tho . se who were present at the time of their election . There "was 110 particular form of election . The

      president just said , " You " are the director ; yon the treasurer ; and you the Clerk . " Witness neVer saw a secret committee appointed afterwards , but heard a new method of election proposed in lfcsi ?; he heard it proposed ou the last u ^ ht lie was witk tke supply committee . The mode ' proposed was , as he understood , that the delegates representing each work should bring in a name of an individual belonging to bis work with him , aud these nanicd being all putiuto a hat , three names should be drawn out , and then those whose naiues were so trawn should be appointed secre : committee-men . Witness recollects oneCarnie being burned with vitriol ; he does not recollect the particular year , but thinks it was about 3822 or 1823 . It was after that action wns

      done that witness ' was ' . a--member of the iinance committee . lie was , however , a ineiiiber ' -witliin a ytnr after that was done . He recollects , when a number of ihe p'risoiivrs and ^ individuals composing t ';; e whole commit ice -.-were sitting together , that order were given " tp . ' Vll the iudirirtual who through thisaction . ^ 'otiiiinu-iitfrom thi' <( . six > cj > . ti (> : , that he got it for God ' s . sake . What witness understood by that was , that he received it , but not because he deserved it in tV . e opinion of that cojnmfttee , who were opposed to Me action . The general rule was to give- i ;? . s . a « wk of aliment for twelve months , and those individuals received that . That allowance was given to itiuividmiL * :. who aid certain services . There were two individuals

      receiving aliment who . were , . active in accelerating t he interests of thu trade ; bnt the' -oumuiit . was alwaj's given for services of some kiud or another . Iii cases when a partial-strike'took phice in-: i particuliir work , and whuu the master rutused to employ those who . struck , they were put upon alimen ^ i uiiinurrifdTOini received 10 s . and married men 12 s . a wenk , to the ? be ^ t of his recollection . Patrick Milne , and a hid of the name of Macdoiuvld ,. and another of the name of Keiui , received aliment at that time . The ground upon which these men received aliment was , that . they were connected with tlie burning of the young man _ with vitriol . Whether their beiug otf work was another reason , he could not * av ; but it was current in the committfe . tliat

      the ) " jrot it because of thvir connection with the buniiiig . Vi'itness was a member of the ' supply comuiittee in 1837 . The last strike cQr . nner . ceil in the beginning of April in that yenr . The supply comnnttee was the first ~ commitcee appointed , aiid in that committee the ' tin . ance .. committee inerged Witness was not tlieu in very good health , an < F lie was also ' reViictniit that the strike . should take place H « y therefore did not attend very-frcKjuently , aud did not see the various committees appointed . IVitness knows , however , that tLer ' e : was a guard committee appointed , the chiei design of which was to manage the guards placed ovei the ditl ' ereutuiili . s . Thenameof one of theineuibersof the iruard committee , he reiaeinWrs , is John Trotrer . T ! ie clutv . of the

      guards placed over the different mills , he ' . vo ' uld say , frojnhis knowledge of the iuvarinbh * pructice ¦ winch prevailed was , ifoccasion o tie red . to ' rea . 'oij v / ith iiidividuals who took work at reduced ¦ w agos , audifuacy ? s . sary , U > tiirsaten , fcnimidate , and offer . violence to thi-in ; It was the duty of the guard-committee , to see that these guards did their duty . Members of the association were i'ubj-jcied to iiaes if they uid not accept the offices to which thry were appointed . Among ihose whq .. v . vre at this ri .-ne members of the finance committee , which merged in the snwply omninttee , were Aiiffus C-. vrapb ^ ll . IHrhard M"Neiil ( duo of the pnnuels . J Jair . es Munro , "¦ 'Robert- Un ? enliil 1 . John M'Cofiie , a xanw of the name of--Sydser !' , Thomas-Hunter , ( on ;? of the prisoners . ) Jamss Gibb ( aim of . the ]> risonera : ) John" Bnnyan , and Pe [ i ; r "Ilacket ( one of ihe prisoner ; :. ) " . Witness av ; is here * howu a sheet of paper , -bearing to be a .. mi : > ute \ if the appointment i-. iiu names of a bun ]»' y cimnnittee ,

      s ; ieued " Richard M' > . i' : il , Secretury , " and dated "iiiasgow , 12 Ui Aj > rl \ , 18 : > 7 , ' and luiviv . ^ i ' -l-. ir'ie seal affixed thereto . ^\ itnes # i ! oe .-5 i » otkuow . ti . ieh ; mvlw . Tithigon . tliis f ! ocinr » e ' at , undciuinot-uy . whetuer . it i .- , Al'Neiirsowasijfnianir ^ or wot . t ^ heis H (» t ; icqH ::. uh d Y . iih M'XeiWs hnud-writint :.. Thomas Hunter was president ot the . supply committee w » ii"W vvitnoss--vas oourji'rte-i with it . Uei ;; g asked what cade .-i Hackett p-. 'rfonacd in \\\ p cnniinUtfP , vvitiiess answered , t . i ' r . t lie U ; iglit almost sa r lluckett diii every tiling , nvA that ha acted -in " ail c ; :-paciti !> s at rimes . M'Neill w : is secretary . : u ; . i ( . 'ibb nstisiant secretary . The cash was genera iy kept by Huckolt and'John Btnmm nliernately . , . \ Vuliura Iv ^ Lean ( tlv , prisuner ) was al <« jvinember of the . ; v- > oi : iation , but did not , so ihr ( is witness know . ! -, t . ike- any active p : irt in its proo . •< = < . ! r . ijrs . Tae secret committee v . ; is appointed after the LTiarl . coiinnittee , aud about six or seven weeks

      jifti-r tLe strike in -April lust . Witoi-.-- ; recollects ; : pu' : iic TiiLvtii :: ; of ( Vjcn-. tiies Leiug lu-Ll . in ( Has- , jruvv Cire- > n in June last ; it-was or . tbr . l nigbl tlie ? ccrez co" ; : i : itt ^ v . ' was aconite i . Tik * piv . - pose of the mei-vhi c ^ n the Green , accordiutr . to the p ! :: c ; ird r-. f . / . njr it , was- to procure ki iiinr . t'diirle ; v . ; u pi'ra ' . r . - . ie'it relief' to the operative .- ; "f ; e :: erally . W ' lt ; : v-s f . - iis ;; re : ent at tlie ineetiiip in t'ie evenin ;;; it was :. iiie ^ ting «/ f . jviect deieg .-sS-s , ¦'• jikI it t . i-jk I'lac- ? in WiiH . ini " Smitlr .- - , in the . Black Boy Cluso , " in the Guliinvgaiv . There mijiht be about li > ri . y iieieg"tes present . Ihai iccetnsg was called by tlie committee . iJelerr-tes v . ere called from every s ' it > p . It was at t ! iau lneetiuir the secret

      c < ::: m ; Ui'e was appoin ' eJ . ihe prisoner ,. James Ciilib , wsi ^ . iii- the ch .-. ir . The proj . - ofiil of tire secret e-juntuueu w : \ a introduced by tlie pri ^ oni . T , lianas' IJnnter , as witness , understood bv lus iiiiiL'uiVce ; he metnis by that , that liinst .-r ^ s ]; r . ; gdage -va .- ; ambiguous , and wl \;\ t witness world nntumiiy call sopiiistr >'; but - witness : undcr . stood Hunter ' s object tope to-get a more eilicieut mode of s :: \ nhig tbs object of the associatioii . Hunter did nut speak out openly what that mooe was wUich _ he wanted , nor did " he state ' poiutevUy what the object was he had in view , though ic Avas freuerally Understood by those- who had l . eeii any rirue members . Hunter did not . even mention , the word secret committee ; it was John Dans ; who

      moved for-a .-secret-committee . The motion was secondeA . j- 'bTithe does not recollect bv whom . It was o . Tied nearly unanimously . ;' . : A ' nian " of . the name ui M'Gowan objected to it , and said he ' considered it disgraceful . Witness himself also opposed it , on tue ground that it . would . raise iresb . suspicions u ? . "iiist the iuen in the iiiinds ui the ina . stvrs , Jiiul liiuue taera more deiermiued in opj-josiijj : ' the men ¦ u > i : i ever . l rom v . -iuje . ' s kuowlt ^ i iie of jve ' afl "; nfs of tbe iissociation , find whr . i he liatl' bean ' , in the meetings , ha"would say , that the chief design of the secret coinmiitee was to de . stroy . life and property . — ( tireat sensadon in the Court . ) That was " the { . 'roumi upon which witness refused- to go into the ifsolu . tious ; aud he used several nreiunents to show

      that _ they could not possibly niter the present po « .: ion of their affairs by such cuuducU Witness never attended any committee -meetiug after that . James M'Xeish .-attempted to answer one of witness ' s arguments , which , was , that his . -knowledge-of natural rights was such , that if any deed . of violence were done , the thinking part of tlie . commriiritywould be against them . M'Xeish said he did not understand witness ' s argument , and said he did not believe it to be true . Wi tness did not argue upon the ground of the injustice of violent measures , but upon their inexpediency ; and the reason of this was , that they would not have ^ listened to him for si moment , but would have laughed at him if he had

      done so . Witness uad sun \ e couversatioii -with Kichanl M'Neill that night ¦\ vlien going home . Witness repeated his arguments , and M'Neill alluded to the bad conduct of Mr . Arthur , the manager of tke Adeljibi Mill , aud s ;\ id it would jostSy any measure that might be . ' resorted to by the--association . Witness does not reineujbsr if M'Neill inentiohad what measures would be resorted to . M'Neill also said . tliat night , that Mr . XeBi Thomson , proprietor of the Adelphi iiill , had left the country for fear of what . might be done by the spinners . The Adelphi had at that time struck * work . M'Neill said ' "he ' considered tliat the appointment of the secret . committee would be eHicacioufi in gaiiiiug the" object of the As-

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      Ma ^^ : ul ^ lJ » ^^ a ^^¦ ^ w . ^ M ^^^ p ^| p ^ d compel other , ^ wtew ^ ;; leove i th % ^^^;><> force | hem into , their tennsi . Witness m 0 jk § 'b&et convursaUon w , | f ; h ' -M ^ eiUioii that ; subject i ^ does nof ' . repoll ^ ct -. « 0 T . nifa « e -p-thai ,. ; g > iBSged" Vat " - that- tinie ; - \ V ; i . ^ ess ' '; ' 8 i aVr 4 : ' . (^ pb /;/^ v 9 i $ i "> ' w . e 6 ii : et after the secret committeiB 1 . was ' /^ p bintedy / . '; ' 'Gib !>''; 8 a | d . thfet , ife' ] ba ; d Iteeti j reported ; that he ( witness ) had Ibft the supply because he cousidered ; that the strike would ; be "rib go , " : Witness repeated that it lyoold be ^ 11 0 go ; " . and addedv that the tracje kne , wvery well his sentiments regfirding ; a secjre | cpninaittee , and that he vrould newr have any thing to do , ^ ith ; the Association so lbng--ai .: & .. ! secii % t ' , couwit ^ e w ^ . ln ''' ezis'l ^ . eiice . Gibb said nothing had beon done yet . tyfc

      ness said it , was from the want of rands ; Gibb admitted that it wasyand said that , seeing the way in which- the Association had been used by the masters , ' , although opposed to'the plain of a secret comniittee at one time himself , he would now \ become one ofthem . Gibb d \ d ! not say he was . ' one . Peter Hackett wasin lEngland at the time of the-cppbiiitf inent of the- secret commitfeeV Qf the prisoners ^ ThoHias Himter and Peter Hackott were ampng the oldest members of the asssociatioii ; M'Keill had only been for a f 0 w years a . member * aud Gibb pightotnirie years . Witiiess knows that there is a certificate called a " free line" sometimeB given to members of the Associfttiou . When a inember removes frpin one mill to another , a line , signed by

      three -iiejongipg to the , mill which he is leanug , is sent in to the committee , saying whether he-is free of debt or not * Witness vrrls h ^ re shown a certificate , bearing to be in- favour of , William M'Lean ^ and to bfe dated ^ Committee Roomsi July 11 , 1837 ;" . andi to be signed u Thornjis Hunter , '' '" James Gibb , " " Peter Hackett , " nM"lticrtard M'Neill , " aiid ^ having the « tamp of the trade affixed to it . That was not ail ordinary free line * The certificate in nfs hand bears that Mr , M'Lean had always done his duty , aiid that ' . the subscribers fecoihineiiiied him to all their friendSi This i , s a line from the Association itself , ' the ordinary ^ free lines were not . stamped . Witness was next shown a large accoujitb » t > k or leuger , which he said was the book in

      wlikihthe iustahiiehts aiid debts of members were se k ' . ' . do ' wu ' i There is one entry showing that W . Al'Leau is 7 > s- 9 d . in debt , ; The date of that is November , 1835 > There is another entry , dated Jaiiuah ' , 1830 " , showing that he wiis then los , 9 d . in debt . I ' uder date February 15 j it is also stated that lie had left theworks where ho had contracted the debt . Witness was iiext shown a paper book , cijutaining . ininutes' of memorandums , audother / eutries ; bejfinuii \ g * 17 th May , ] 837 , and ending June . 16 , 1837 , ( r >> m which he read a minute of a general meeting of tVie Association ^ which he believes to be inGibb's handwriting , ' , bearing that it was unividmously resolved tliat the nunies of all the ndbs should be priii-U *!! ,. and copies swit to all the mills in . Scotlaiiil , IDnjrlaii'd , and Irelmid ; anil that a persecuting cojnniittee . . should be appointed to -peKeeute tlieih

      to the utumriti . 'Witness supposes tfaii . t the prisoners Hunter , Gibb , Hnckett , ; aud > . M-Neill ,. fi ) nriej the secret-comimties' , and . that it vvas in that capacity they h ; Vd ^ iyen . " 5 l l . ea-n " the ' certificate formerly reacl Witness W : is now * hdwn anbtlier book , in whicll he said tlie daily expense () t' tlie supply connnittee was set'down . . 1 amesMuiiro often kept that book y but it was nttvalvvjvys kept by the . siinia hand . Witness read , an entry , bearing to be .-expenses for iiofa , £ !!> . Jt hitd . ' -no date . Froin witness ' s knowledge of the eiiti-ies in that book , ; 'he considers tliat the money , here referred ' . to had been spent either iii ntiisoriing-with nobs , and treating them ' With drink , or iu paying some one tu ni ; ilta' « iX- them , . Witness was next sin >\ vn sonaeschedtiles , ' which l . e said contained the furtniiilitly incoinu and expenditure ' of the ' -Assor eiation . fie was alsbshovvn : ui aliiuent book , which he skid was kept bV ftichnrd M'Neill .: '

      ¦ ' ¦ 'C ri ) sk-cxn . mined ^—Last , niefttiiig witness attmidpd was the h ' ijrlit tiie secret committee was appointed . W : is present ut the nieuting . 011 the Green , when Dr . Taylor- addressed tlie ^ operatives , l'ruin that nieetiug witness we iit . to . thu supply--committee .-. Went about eiu ; lit o ' clui ; k iu the . eveiiing , . arid walked home-with Al'Neill befofe twelve o ' clock at night . To the , best of his recollection ,, it vyas a . -Monday night . Johii Davies proposed ihe secret committee , which was agreed'to- . by all but a very tew . Does not recollect M'Gowr . n ' s" tirsf name , ' He was in Mr . iJogle ' s work . Is not a clear distinct speaker—has some difficulty in his articulation . The meeting was held in the committee rooni . It is the large rooin , ' and is a kitchen- rather—is used as such by the people . There is a desk in tb > ' . centra , with several sides .

      Then' was a ; person muaed Ross there— -traderstpod him to work with Mr . Somerville at thy 11 irasoy mill . Knows th , at Nelon was tried and acquitted tor the throwing of vitriol . Could . not iay that M'Ponald was a witness ou the trial . There was a M'Donald a member of the supply . cominitfc . c , but he iV not thi . * *? . in <} M'l > on ; ild thiit hitd ajU ' iiient for the vitriol all ' air . ' Could not say where he was working at tl »; time of Curnic ! , ' * all ' air , but thinks he was Svorking at Mr . Humphrey ' s work . Has been a considerable time confined both ) n Glasgow and here . Murdoch h : \ sbeen bore , ami -in . Glasgow along witlv me , and Jtobert Christie and Tlioyburn since v . 'e came to Kdinb'dijrli . Thoy were . nll in the s ; ime room . l > y the Court-r—Was kept in Jnil for protection , and understood- the other witnesses were there for the same reiisun .

      At this . stage of the proceedings , the Court , with concurrence of all parlies , adjourned about ' lialfrpust seven till-next day at h ' nlf-p ' ast nine in tlie morning .

      THi'iispAv , Jasvahy 4 . " . ¦¦ . . James- ' Murdoch ,, cotton spinner . —The Court renewed to this witness the assurance of protection . IJe- entered the Association of cbtton spinners at ( Jltt'sgow iu 1810 " . Had been in the -spiiiuihg business previous- to' that time in -Linwood ,-in ; Renfrewshire .- . Came . ' to ' ( ila ^ gp ' . v in 1810 , ' . " Wai induced to i liter the Assiiciatioii ,-because l \ e cowld not have rewiyiuvd \ n . ¦ ¦ . Jr .-Hu ' ssey- !* work unless lie haa done so . Means that there \ v ; is an Association forming at the time ;; and was told th : U he inustjoiii / aiid pay as tlie others did , else they '\ v-oh 1 u ' do ailthsjy ; could to get him out oi' the work—he would not be allowed to ke--p his wh ' enls . Would be put out of tin ? work by t ! u lneii usinsr thuir inilnence vyiththe

      mastersieiling clashes , or the liko ^ iii . shott , makmg Iris lii ' a uucomfovtji ' j ie . B y clashes ,, moans reports or falso stories . This Associatioii was nor general .-throughall the mills tit that Ume , bub witness hud a good brother in liussey '» Mill , which intluced him to preler it to any other . lie joiued the Association . On entering , fiii oath , was put to him . Does iiot rerhuiiiberthe w : '> r .-k ; Lutit was divided into t \ vo branches —first ,-au oatU ofsiicrw-y . . "Meaii ' s by that to keep secret'bis ' takii' .- ' g the oatii . After : the administrator of the oath had explained the benefit of taking ; if , i : u ii-t ] je other part was tdken to abide by the

      majority in allx ^ Aes oi" tbe trade . . Was to keep that and aii "( l . t : ! epr . oi : eeiSiiig ' s . o | ' tbo body secret . There was : i Bible ;; sed i : i ivdministering the oath . ItwjU . ' put under the risdit oxter during the time the path was taker .. Thi-re \ y ; : s a word vised—it was Ashdod . it is in-thp . ' i'Jth ' chapter of / . Isaiah , nud the' Jst verse . 'Ihere wciv digits used—witness ynid little attention to them , b ' iit their use avus for each to ' -lie knownto ( be otho ' r int . 'mbers of trite : Association . There % h ; is i ; een : i ch .-inprmade on the word and oath since that time . To the best of his recollection ^ it was in 1822 . 'I'he new ( word ' was . 'Armageddon . ' That is in Uev . v . i . 1 G . Both ' ¦¦ . words were administered . tog-ether .

      'J'lie chftJJL'e in b ' ath ' . wns , a great Uenl to the vvpise- — more vicious in its nature . . It introduced something with respect tu -the puuishinent or abhorrence of , iv » bs . Dues not recollect-any thing ; more . ; Uiiderstaiids by nobs , a , nian that goes in to Avork at a r eduction of wages duriug a strike . A person may iilso ) nob by roveiiliiig the names of the secret com " r mittee—he is coiisidwed the greatest nob . _ Speaking " to any one who ieveaVs 'the secret comniittee is also considered , \ nobbing . It is between nine and ten years since ' witness , was last present at the administration of an ' oath i and he considers the oath he then heard : administered was . Worse ; than either of . the . others . This last oathwas \ vor * e , because there , was

      something with respect to masters in it , that WHs . not ii \ ^ it \ im of the othersj ;¦" . A- secret committee , was first appointed , according to . witUt'ss'srecpllection , in 1818 . There \ vas a tiictory started iii Brooniwood , and the proprietor filled it with wpiheu instead pi inen , ^ nd the object of the secret comnnttee was to ; re . t tlie vvomeu l int out of it . Mr . Bunlop wiis proprietor of this mill . ' The secret committee / hnd a power exclusive 01 till general body . ; It consisted of three members , they wen * appointed by taking a luan ' s name out of each shbp in the trade belonging to the Association . Meaiis each factory . One of the district or iiiuvuee committee -went roundrwith a hut , aud lifted these : names froni earh delegate , ' and nut them in hi . s pocket . TKen the ¦ ¦' . ' secret select

      committee was considered to be on , It was left to the nuance coiiiniitti'e tb take three of their own number , or out of the names in the hat , so that it should not be known to the trade who tlie three were * When thus appointed , the . secret committee had the whple power of the whole money belonging to the Associatioiii Th « 1 trade expected the secret coiniovitie ' e would put theso women ot ^ t of Broonxwodd shop . The first attempt'made yras to set fire to it . ;; Knows ic froni tlie public papers , and Tronv the sohedule money paidibr it . These schedules were handed through the trade every fortnight to ; show the outlay and income . Tins money was called . colliery . It was a phrase \ Jerfectly well known in the trade .

      Understands it ineant attempting to buirn . ; For some years , it was a Wordgenerally used . For purposes of'that sort . The secret committee : did iiot succeed in their attempt to get the women outof theimll at tliat time * . 'T . nere were several otlwratts of violence doue under that secret coin | inittee . Two men were sent to America at the expense of the trade , ; that witness considered had committed an act of yiolence . It was a woman ' s housfe ; that was entered in the morning iu .. enItoiij ' 'in Poiib . ^ % / 'Ii ^ dyvaiad-. her ; fl ' fe . was-. tiiken ' . Heriianie was Macpheraori , a widow ^ aad she had a daughter in Mr . lionlop ' s mill . . The inothervs life was ( taken , ashe considered , in mistake , for the daughter . Could not exactly sw what year this was , it might be 1820 or 1821 , TUe two men

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      sent to America were Patpn Dunlop and Barney ¦ M'Keuay ;; . ¦^ ey ; : h ' j ^ . / . bBen- jiiOTb ' ef »' of : . th « j ;? Aiaociation , ;; Know * they were sent at the expense of the Association , and saw their namesin tke schedule , and the nioneyipaid for emigration to them . Could not say exactij ¦ - -. wh ' a'ts . tini ' . "Vas . ' r paid to them . " 3 ^ o one knew if they were in the "concern at widow Macpherton ' s , but it was generally beHe «» d in the trade , aiid witness never heard . aiiy other reason assigned for-advancing-money to theni to emigrate . There was a man shot " - ' . at and ¦ wounded , named M'Quarrie , before Graham was shot at . TJiat was in the year 1820 . There were three different payments made on account ; of ; M'Quarrie ' sshootiDfi :., The payments were , made to Andrew Dunaen ,

      Owen Gallaghan , and Stephen Campbell . They were ; paid for shooting M'Quarrie , who was a nob Since that time O'CaUiiglian was transported for shooting at John Orr , in Faisley , Stephen Campbell remains still in BanV , Bridgeton . In the scheduies the money was Entered as strike collieries so much , and several things / were put together . This Ban was proprietor of a mill that struck work at the : time . Does hot recollect the sum . There were no names in the schedule . Witniess wap an eye-wit ness to the shooting . Saw the thing done , and then saw this inentioned in the books . Has reason . to believe tliey were paid for it , because Campbell told him so . It was Campbell who shot M'Quarrie . Thomas Lochray and James

      Eskdals were present also along with me .- Dunagh anil O'Callaghan were with Campbell , and Heiiry > M'Coiuiell . This was in the Green of Glasgow . Met Ivocliray in the fore Street at Bridgetori , who told him there was to . be an attack made on the hobs at the scaling of ; Ban's mill . We ;' weiit- down to th 6 Green to see : the Works scale . Scanng means dismissing for the day . There' were : a good many spimisrs gathered tftgetlier , standing in a hollow near an entrance to the street , that leads to Ban ' s mill . Stopped there for a little time till the work stopped , and the nobs came down the street .: ; There . were two brothers , named Carr , took along by the Greeji Dyke , going to the town ; and M'Quarrie etitefed . tne windles near the Monument . Duiiagh walked 2 or 3 steps across the Green after the Carrs ,

      ' arid fired a pistol . It did not take eifect . M'Quarrie crime along the Serpentine Walk ; Stephen . Camp-bell lived .. a-pistol at'M'Quarrie . The shot wounded M'Qunrrie , but he did not fall . —Did not expept this when he went to the ( Jreen . Expected that some sort of dislurbunce would take place of a different natures Had iio reason tp ' -belieye it was : expected by those who were with him , There was no trial about this matter . It was in the afternoon , in the summer season , iii cleiir sunshine . ¦ . ¦ M'Quarrie recovered of liis wound , SVitness . gave no iufgrmation of this mutteiv because ; lie Was afraid of similar consequences ; Campbell was a member of the Association . There might have been an inyestigatioii into the shooting of M- 'Q'uarrie—there was i , o' 00 of reward oilered for inforniatipn of these- and several iissaults ..

      An objection was here taken by tlie » prisonor s counsel to a question , proposed to ba put to / the witness ,-whetlier Ciunpheli told him he hud . got Hioney for this transaction , on the ground that Campbell might , have'b een brought himself to prove vvhrther ] ik 'had ; got the nipney or ho . The Lord Advocate , in reply , said this was the best evidence that could- be * got , uis they could not bind Campbell to . c ' riiniiiutehijnself . The * Lord Justice Clerk thought it would ho a . departure from the rules of evidence to allow the question to be vput , Witness roca . lled- ^ -Ilememi » e . rs the shootisig of one John Graham . ' About tlvvt time wu . s . aineinber of the secre t ¦ cmamitteu of tire Association . At tliat \\

      time we acted openly . This \ ras after 'Jie sliootiug of Graham , A uispute took place iii the trade about the shooting of ( invUivr-i , and tUey appoiiilefl a couimitteij to i \ h-opuuly toiiie ' trade only , so as all the trade ¦ might know who wasin the trade , that the like' shooting iuig 2 it itot tuke place again . Knows that one John"Kean . vias tried for shpotinjr , and > yas transported for life , and piiblicly whipped at Glasgow . Knows , as a member of that coinmittet ' v tUat payments were -made . A referee of five men -whs apjjointed to investigate a claim madft by One Daniel ( Jii ' t- Witness was on « of these refcirees .- ^ IIis claim was , th . it he * w . ts hired in a House a . t Burrow field Toll , along wiih Kean , Luifertv , and another man , to slioot Grivlvtim . He demanded £ 20 . from , the

      committee of the Association for this . The referees ordered him to produce witnessiis to proye tliat he had bueii hired . lie produced one . Thomas'P atter-, son . Cannot f'M Svhat '; oflic _ e Patterson held at the time . Th .-ref ( . 'iee «; vvejvy . 'itis . ricJ vvith the eudeuce , and awarded . Q . rr the sum . Knows that payments w-e ' n ; liiade to 'Kean ' s / wife after h ' « r liusbuinl a trial . She received 12 s . a . week for eii'lifeen months out of tlie funds of tlie Association . Knows thatpayments were also made to Laflerty ' s wife—she received the same sum for the same period , ¦ . Lafterty was sent to Aiuferica nfter he came out of liridewell . He g'bt eighteen months' imprisonment there . Came to know these things as a member of the coiumittee . Knows that the expenses of Keuu's trial were unict

      iiy . ' . ' -titc Associ ;\ lion . Graham was shot in 182 u or early in 1821 $ . -Remembers a meeting of the . Asssociatioii being' held in a hull , after Keau ' s trial ; the purpose of the meeting was to deny the charge that they had ever ; uvy concern in things of this nature , sacli as the shooting of Grabam , —There were several speeches made ; and , witness thinks : two . reporters ' , attended from the newspapers ; the "speeches '; were reportediiv the ljewspapers .-Thomaapatterson spoke agood deal on that occasion , denying that tlie Association had any thing to do with the charge .- It-is the same Thomas Patterson that gave evidence about Orr . This meeting was before Orr ' s claim . Remembers a person numeiJ M'Did . He was not tried that witness knows of . Knows a payniei . t was made

      to liiin of £ 4 . los . for maltrea ' tiufj' a woman named Marg-Aret Banks . .. It was in ] S 2 ; Vor 182 b " . Banks was maltreated because she was " a nobi Witness remained a member of the select couimittee for tsyo months , as the committee was clian ^ cd at that time . There " , was no . chauge . made iii the appointment of the committee at , tliat time ; h : is not been a member , of the . committee of late . Knows somethiisg 6 f the sliboting at . the house of a v . iiiu named Brown . One Walker wus accused of that , ' aiitt tried for it ; it was in 182 /; Walker was a member of the . Association , ilemembors a talk among the . members , of the Association about die defence of Walker . Was present at the conversation . ' - ' . It -Was a shop meeting—the shop

      ueionging to Mr . Hussey . ' 1 his was before W alker ' s trial . It was proposed at the meeting to set persons to swear . that William ; Brown had Iiired persons himself to do it . They did not know tlieu that Walker would plead guilty . When this proposal was made , witness knew that it was false . Knows taut Walker was tried , pleaded guilty , and was transported . R « iieinbers the case of Ca . rnie , a " spinner . He had an eye' bunit put of his head with vitriol .. ' He had beeu a 110 b , but was not ivt that tiiiie . Docs not recollect the . war . . - There ' Was a trial on the matter . Peter Alelloiiwas tried an « l- acqnitte'd . Saw •' schedules of aliment being '' paid to one Macdoriald at that time . There were four inen , Macdpiiald being one , - brought 011 aliment for the burning of

      Carnie . The ulimei-it was paid to them : for being uhpeached . With that action , Macdcnald was not tried for it . He -received . aliment because he fled on account of that business to a place they call CiUriue , in Ayrshire . . Knows the prisoners ax the bar . . Hunter has beim a . mtinber of the Association about IS years ; Hackett since , ; 1823 ' or 1824 ; M'iSTab about nine years ; Gibb abouj ; twelve ; and M'Lean about ten or twelve , to witness ' s kuowi . ledge . There was a strike in April last . Witness Waiiioi . working at the time . Applied ipr . aliment after the : strike , aiidliad occasion to see the ^ members of the supply committee . Hunter Was director presideutof the . ' -committee ; could not say whether Hackett was trelt-iuter or clerk ; could hpt say what ofiice M'Keill filled , but he was a member

      of co'inmttve ; Gibb was also a member , but could not say what office he ' -filled .. ' M'Lea 11 was not a meinber of cqmmiUe& to his k nowludge . Has seen M'Leiin at the committee-roointj calling oh Hackett Witiiess attended no meetings of the Association after the . strike in April . Went to the committB 0-rooins to see if they ' . Vtonld allow hiin aliment ' : as others were doing . Did not receive aliment at this ; timein the month of Jul y last . Had received none before that time . Applied in Jul y * but did not get any till Att « ust . i Does iiot know that there was a new comimttee appointed in August ^ beiu g in confinement at that time . There is a practice in ihe Association of giving free lines to members Who are cleat of debt . They are Sbi from the shnti

      they work inj signed by three men in the Work , members of . the Association ,, who : must likewise be ele ; ir of debt . The oiiice-bearers have nix authority to give a certincate—it must come from the work they work in . Being shown a document , he says that it is ' signed by the four jirisouers , Hunterj Hackett , M'Nein , and Gihb . Does not know the ¦ handwriting , it is iiot in the usual style of free lines ; Considered from it , that M'Lean and . the four , meii had been conjunct in ' something or other , that he needed to leave the country for it- —witness tieyer saw such a line given in any other way ; The secret 'committee have the power of granting such linesr-they have an absolute power . They have

      such , power , -. - . though , the members it is granted to may be iii debt . Being shown * the debt-book , " he ; obsene ^ the name of WiUiam ai'Leap , belonging to the shop "No . 19 . " It appears from the book , that M'Lean was in debt 13 s . S > d .-on the ,. 2 d January 1836 . If a member had paid has 4 ebt , it Wonld ' have be ^ n taken out of the : book . Being . shown a Bible , witness tnrnedxip ; the chapter in ; Revelations where the word" Armageddon "is to be seen . The page is spiled , as if thumbed by frequent use ; as was also . - ' thepage iu Isaiah , where theK word iw Ashdod " is to be fotfiid . From the titfe page , thia Bible Was printed iutheyear 183 a . ; Bmiig shown some documents , he identified them as schedules , similar to those he spoke of in the early-part-vof hi * exajuiuation . Being shown

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      a memoran"dnm ^ read an tenfryV * expenses % itlv nobs , £ 19 /* There is " ifoildte ^ The entry may be explainedvarious ways . It might have been given to one inan for maltreating a nob , or it might hare been given to seveM for the same fhingi There is no other ' way of explaining it ; . it ; might- possibly have been for expense of drinking with them , and trying to persuade th » m . ; Saw the guards on th « mills , but Was iot ^ much among ^ thent at the last si ^ k 9 ; V ; . ' 'Some ;' ni ^ s- ' .. lwd- ' '' . inor 0 v ' . § aar <^| t ' ' ' and some less ; they ; wWked up and ) down . past ihe"gate ; they .. -weremencibers of the association . ' Saw ; a great dealabove the Adelphi HiH , in HutcMnson-tdwn Was not much over tha Glasgoyy side ;/ did not see the guards there . ThiVwas alter the strike in April

      last . < Knew several members ; bfj the : ¦ associabori Who : acted as guards , Andrew DajyidsonL and John Morrison . Has seen Walter Morrison acting as a master of guarus . Does not reciollect any more : Never saw M'Lean acting as ! a g ^ iatd .. Saw Walter Morrison come up to see it . the guard * were Jill on and doing their , duty ; has f seen him give orders to the guards , from which flatness concluded he was a member of the guard cpnimittee ; Remembers the day when John Smith was shot . Saw M'Lean on . that < lay » down ' - . by the BrbomielaW . Tliis ; wai ' . onv the fore part of the day . > James JVI'Donald and James or John Keith were with him . Saw Keith and M'JDouald again in ^ he evening , between six aiid seven , * tt tlie foot of Cobourg-larie .

      in Lauriston , on the opposite side of the water . They were just parting When witness saw them , and -heard thein agree to . meet again that same evening , but could not say positivel y at what hourj did not hear them mention where they would meet . M'Lsan had 011 a pair of light trowsers , ; and a long cpat ^ of a dark greeii colour , as witness : '; thinks ; - he wore a common round black hat . They were walkingon the quay of the ; Brdoinielaw . ;; Crbss-exainined .- —Two people were present with witness when he saw M'Quarrie shot . Could not say exactly where either of them now are ; they were both at Johnatoh when witness last he ? rd of them . Lochray had dropped the spinning . Lochray went homo to Bridgeton after ; the ' .-sboti and Esdale

      and witness kept a piece behind M'Quame , foliowing him on the Green . Lochray was sta ^ ndiug at Witness ' s left side when Campbell fired . He was able to see the shot tired ; and \ vitness saw : both sliots . There w « re t \ yo shots iired ; the party had three pistols , that is , Xj'Gallaghau , Campbell , and Dunugh ;^ O'Callaghan did iiot iire the shot at the time ; he dischargedit in the air as we Were walking towards RuthersgleH , Does nat know where the Can-s art ? sow . The last meeting of the Association witness attended was about . nine or ten years ago . It is about the « ame time since he attended a general delegate nieetiag . About the same tune since he attended a cbnauiittee meeting Of any kind . It is nine or ten years ago since he last saw

      aii oath administered . It wa * 111 John Ewiiig ' s , Hi ^ 'h-street , Gl . isgow . Does ; hot kuow , of his own knowledge , that a secret committee has existed for the last nine years j he knows it only-. from hearing . Was never longer than two inpnths . at a time nleinber of a . couimittee , and tliat on t \ vo diirerent occasions . The first time was * in 1817 , the second time in 1826 " , as witness thinks . Has been a ijei e ^' ate in the . association , » nd was Secretary in J 82 f > or . 1827 , being the saine time that , ha was on the comuiittee . It was the secret cominittee : that acted : openly , iu 1817 , all the committees wera secitit , the combination . laws being in existence . Their naniKS were known to the trade , and there Wag 110 liaxiii in ta-lkivig of th ^ m among the . trade .

      itiii-ss tield no oaice in 181 y , except as a member of the fiuance ' -committee- '; -kfep't . no bobks ; connected frith the associatibn at that time . Did not cpoia into oilice again , till 182 G . Had nothing to do with the bouiks from . 1817 till 1820 . Knows : t ; hat several kept them , during that period , but witness had . no occwioii to examine them v In 1826 , Witness was secretiiry tothe assbcitttipn , and kept the debt book , and -thy book of income and expenditure , for two months . . . . After Witness weut out of office , he had libthiiig to do with keeping the books ; Coiild hot swt'ar ; that any part of the *' debt-book" is iii'hig handwriting . The book being handed to him , he says it gorfs back to 1832 . He knows nothing about that book , and ; never saw it till it was shown

      Innt . ' ; for : this inquiry . The 'book he kept was shnilaif to that , but ; not so larger Got the amount of debt from each shop from the delegate . He brought it generally on a piece of paper ; but wiN hess'lias seen it come in vorbally . \ vhen Le made an entry of debt , he trusted to the accuracy of the delegate ; and if the delegate was wrong , tne book was Wrong . Did ; iiot see nny guard committee appointed at last strike . Applied ; for . aliment last a fortnight previous to the shooting of Smith . Applied 6 n the ground , that hid family had been thrown idle by the strike . Was' hiinself lyihgbadlyat the tiine of the strike . It is fonr years since he was last eh-. trnjtfd as . n spjnntjr . He was entitled to aliment , as iiis family was tliro ' -vu idle .: Others got it on that

      grouu ! in the general stnke of 1834 . Was refused it iii ; July . Cannot say Why he was refused it . It was seiit him in August wheu he Was in p rison . Witiie . ss applie d , to Ihomas Hunter with his card first , and he told him to applytp the oflicer . Henry Dnnn was the man > vhp commnnicated the refusal , lias been in gaol the most of the time since , with Moat and others . Has been in .. gaol ; before , in Paisley , in 1832 or 1833 , he thinks . He was imprisoned for kiljiiig a hare . He left co . ttoh spinning because taken badly with rtieumatism . He wa » not complaining of rheumatism when . he arid iinotlfer man griped the hare ; the work was stopped at that " time . The hare was killed ; he cannot tell how . Was never in ; gaol at any other time : John

      jrerguspn was the other man 111 the hare business . Swears' the : hare was not -shpt . Witness knows a ihrtn named M'Coffle ; cannot swear he was a member of the secret committee . Saw a certificate like thiic shown him about M'ljean at the time he was member of the committee in 1826 , but none , since . It ' a man were going to England he would get a certiticjVte of that kind signed by the men of the shop . Onte granted such a certificate ; at least signed it aloiig . with tbe other members of the open select coyiiijittee , in favour of a man with a fictitious name , Who had ; . written' for it from America ; Witness always considered it ^ yas for Peter Dunlop , but

      cannot swear . Doe . s not remember what was tlie fictitious name in favour of which it was granted . Never saw any other certiHcatft of that iiature . Its use is to show that you are a gbqd man , belpngiug to Tue Association . ' Witness thought it would fee of ho use in Aincrica till he saw that application ; They aty usually granted to persons going-to Bng > - land or Ireland , signed' by persons in the shop ; if a mail is going away clear of debt , he can demand it . ¦ . .-. rKno ws that TliomasLocferay has a son of the samy-Haine . Itwas thefather he mentioned before . Thinks Orr is still about Glasgow , but could iiot say What mill he is in . Heard of Patterson last about

      Andeistpii . Thrhks be was not about Mr . Houldswortl \' s ^ .,, " ' : - ' 'V ;• ' .,::.. '• ¦ ¦ . "" ' , ¦ - ^ . ' . - : j :- ;[ ' ' y " . ' ' .. '¦ ¦ By the ; Court . —He first got half-a-crpwn as aliment ,. and then five shillings , and then two shillings . That is . all wititess knows of . Cannot tell if the family hhs got more siiice . His daughter ; brought the -money . The appbiritmeiit of the ; open select comniittee vras made after the trial of Kean for shooting Graham . It was a shoi > certificate given to a ' maty . ' going to &igland or Ireland , not a committee certificate . ¦ ' . : '

      ' Re-i'xamined . —The open committee lasted only xix mquths , and theu the Open committee ; Was on ngaiiV . There ;; was never - a select . open committee again , as . Tar as witness knew . A member durstnot inquire who werJinembers of the secret committee , foritwasa 'danger to do so ; and if : ; ap ^ inquiry was made ,, or if miy one named them , they ^ vould be nobbed- ; He considered himself impriBpned in August-last'for protection , not for any oflfence . Heiirry Cowans cotton spinner , examined by the Solicitpr-Generali—Is an operative spiiiner since 1814 . Was cpnhected with Tnills in Renrrewsbire for soine time ^—came to Lanark shire in ' . 18 I 8 . Joinedtlie Association at the time . Did not take an bath in Renfrewshire- ; when half of it was

      administered , -he drevy the handkerchief off his eyes and ;; would not proceed farther with it . Never took an oath in Latiarkshire . Got quit , of the oath by paying . tT to the trade . Told them he .-wfo , " a clear man in ; ilenfreWshire , and was admi ^ sociatioh , ^ th ey ^; believing ' that ' . h ^' . liaS been isworn in Renfrewshire . Sometimes they paid as high as £ 5 to be made a member . Was once-asked tobeade- ^ legatee-bat did iipt serve . Paid h ^ f-a-crown of fine for not serving . Recollects the last strike in 1837-Was in Husspy ' s mill at that tirae . All the hands there ' : struclr * and witness went With ttie rest ; but againsit his will .: \ Vas forced but along with the rest . Afterthe . ¦ strike the Suppl y CoiMmtteevwas first appomted .:- ; A 0 nard Cbmmittee was then appointed .

      JL > oes hot know how ; but tie ; . knew they " were appointed , -because he had ¦ '¦ s een ' , men pointed out its members of Committee , and believed they W «* e so . Hnssey s mil sent delegatert to the Asaocia&oli 611 two becaaons . John Adanii ? was sent about the iniddie of May , ' - ; and stopta ibrt ^ ght . ; The guards were on shortly after , br about that tiiijie . Adams resigned , and said he wonM go back' ; nd imore . Another Was appointed in his / place . H ^ Was one M'Graw . The object of sendkfg delegates Was' to appoint a Select Committee out ^ f their ntmiber That was known at Hnssey ' s work .- There was a to

      delegate s , ent from eaca mill ^ from which choose the Select Committee . . ' Orders cam © to tlie mill ironv the Supply Conaaaittee to choose ;¦ '»¦ delegate Amah came from the Committee to -ashop meeting with the order , and mentioned , th © jnjrppas ? for which- delegates weri to be chosei . u was about the middle of May when they w ^ re first asked to chctose a , del ^ place ; among the delegates , but ^ he iaidf he cdilM not tellthem ^^ as it yias Wished to lie ^ pt aBcret Said he-wonld be ihtaaed before he would go back to such a place . M * Griaw continued : to ictafe dele ^ gate ,, It was very well known in the tradei what Wias nieant by a Secret or Select Comnnttee ( To be continued in our ritxt-Nuniberi , )

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  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Jan. 20, 1838, page 6, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct338/page/6/