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      •» fb e following morning , bat it vu negatived bv a Urge majority . Hz . W > Beggs , Nottingham , to received -with eheen . He * : &od there for no idle object , and for no trifling purpose . They saw thousand * of their fellow jnen ground down to the lowest pitch of moral and physicl deba-sement bj etaa legation , and therefore , he thought the time had come when they ought to direct their energies to deliver the people from the joiaery and the oppression by which they were orrounded—( heaT , bear . ) When be first took op thli movement , the principle * ef radical reform were not in the ascendant . He had bees connected with the old poHtksl unions , and although at one time he contemplated devoting hia time and energies te the promotion

      of temperance , and the spte&d of education , hi » attention was at length directed very forcibly to the state of the people , and he saw that there was no prospect whstever of obtaining political justice , excepting by tiling to thda the franchise—then ? , hear . ) He therefore signed the declaration ef Air . Starve , mod he was anxious to see the Six Points involved is the bill , to pass into a law—( bear , hear . ) Every day impressed in a strong degree upon his attention the necessity of conceding that great meed of justice to the people . At f ^ e last Conference many crotchets -were introduced , but he rao ced to say that the people were now more

      mated , and he bettered that no opposition could prevent the Six Points being carried—( bear , hear , hear . ) He had the same confident reliance as he ever had that That was true would prevail , and that what was filse would perish , because it was the nature of troth to flottjibb under the most discouraging circumstances , and it was the nature of error to destroy itself . —( hear , hear . ) He had seen a Bill which bad been prepared for recognising the Six Points , and it became his doty to direct their attention to the four resolutions which were alluded to in the fourth paragraph of the programme . Mr , Beggs tfcenreai the following resolution ! : —

      1 . —That this Conference convened in csnformlty vith a resolution passed at the first Complete Suffrage Conference , held a * Birmingham , April 4 th— 8 th , 1842 , and having for its paramount object the consideration o ( the necessary details of a bill embodying the principles then agreed upon , tie : —The extension cf the Suffrage to all male adults , not deprived of the righti of citizenship by a verdict of a jury of their countrymen—Tote by ballot—Equal electoral districts—abolition of a property qnaliflcatJon far members of Parliament—payment of members for their services—and SUDttil Parliaments ,- —do sow declare its adoption of the » principle * ; pledges itself to employ such means only for obtaiaiBg the legislative recognition of them as ? re of a strictly just , peaceful , legal , and constitutional character ; and will forthwith proceed to fulfil the miaboh vith which it has been entrusted , resol-rcd t » support its thatVrmmi in preventing the introduction of any proposition not in accordance therewith .

      % —That as this Conference will resist the introduction of any topic not obviously relevant to its main design , bo it also dinclntms all interference with fT « ti « g organisations , recognising as iti paramount duty , the arriving , if possible , at a cordial agreement in reference to the object towards which peaceful agitation may be directed . 3—That thi * Conference , agreeable to resolution 17 , passed at the Bret Conference , is prepared to receive and to consider all doenmeuts whlcu may be laid before it , and which may be opposed to contain an embodiment of the necessary details for working out the principles already recognised .

      4—That the documents so to be presented to this Conference , be taken into consideration at the openi . g of our next Session , by a Committee confuting of tbe whole body of the delegates ; and that the Committee be instructed to observe the following rules : —1 . That the bill to be presented by the Council of the "National Complete Suffrage Union , " be taken as tbe basis of diaerakm . 2 . T&at each clanse as it is read aball be considered jxtri jossst , with the eorrelatWe clause of the two docameate . 3 . That all amendments be biaded

      up to the Chairman in writing . He might state that the Bill would occupy four hours is reading—( Laughter }—bat be bad read the BUI himself , and so far as he vu able to judge , the provisions appeared calculated to accomplish the object they had in view . —( hear , hear , and " no , ° " no /;) He would sot then g « into an abstract of the BUI , becaora it would come under- discussion at a future stage of the proceedings . He begged , therefore , to more the resolutions . Me . Duxlof , of Glasgow , seconded tbe resolution * .

      Mr . O'Connor and Mr . Lovett rose at the came time , but the former gavb way , and Mr . Lovkxt said , that previous * -o any amendment bane moved , he rose with considerable pain * nd nicety to impress on their friend , Mr . Beggs , the necessity of withdrawing a portion of the fourth resolution , and to substitute other words—( bear , hear . ) The part that be wished to be-withdrawn , and which , for the sake of unanimity , be hoped Mr . Beg ^ s would consent io do , was , that the bill to be presented bj the Council of the National Complete Suffrage Association be taken « s the basis of discussion" —( hear . ) Be fri&ed thtt Mr . Beggs would substitute the words , ** that the bill , or tbe document entitled the

      Peopled Charter , shall be considered as the basis of discusaoji . ' —( lond and prolonged cheering . ) Impressed with the conviction , that th « present object of tbe Complete Suffrage Union was to effect , if postible , a cordial onion between tbe middle and the working classes , and not merely to conciliate one class and neglect tbe-other , he bad Joined that union . He bad done bis best to promote that union , believing that the great object they hid in view might be accomplished , bat , at the same time , he had declared his opinion , that his definition of Complete Suffrage was fonoded on the People ' s Charter— ( loud cheers . ) Ha attended die last conference in Biry mifr ^ Lm , and he impressed on the gentlemen then assembled the necessity of going for the fall measure

      of just ' se , if they would have the great masses of th < people along with them—( hear , bear . ) He was very hippy to find , thai at that conference , although many persons came there strongly prejudiced against the Charter , yet tbe calm and rational manner in which the different points were discussed , convinced the gentlemen objecting of the propriety of the principles contained in that document , and one after another tie ? were cordially and almost nnanimonsly adopted —( hear , bear . ) After the Conference had affirmed these different po ' mt 5 , be impressed upon them that it was Euil necessary to go a step further , and in oruer that these principles should not be marred in the House of Commons , that it was necessary for

      thwn to agree upon some clear and definite mode for e&rrying the principles into practice—( hear , bear . ) Bat seme of them said , Many of our friends are prejudiced against the Charter ; some persons will think we have gone too far as it is ; don ' t press the resolntion si present . " With the understanding , tken , that tbe People ' s Charter should be brought forward , and have a prior claim to discussion before ill othtr documents , he consented to waive the resolution , or to bring it . forward in the shape it was ereEtuaily agreed to ; that shape being , that at the mis Conference ihey should consider the necessary details for workicg out these principles . —( hear , tear . ) He eenain / y tbonght now thai they had

      met , that ifcai document ' would bate had the first elaim , —( hear , bearj—but judge his surprise to find unt ahhongh he was a member of the council of the Complete Suffrage Association , be never heard of the nui until he saw it in print . —( Load cries of "bear , hear . ") He mentioned thiB fact with & great deal of pain , as he had the highest respect for the council , and especially for tbeir esteemed Chairman—( hear , ^ ar . ) He thought they had committed an error on ^ point , thai they had yielded to prejudice , and wiil thev would feel the ' injurious effects of their wadoct if tiity pressed this bill—( hear , hear . ) He raped , however , that they would not press it , or * iiber tnat they would not place him in a position

      « put forward an amendment in opposition to the onmal motion . The effect of their pressing it Would be to split the Conference into two parties , * Dfrea 3 te bad hoped that they should know nothing « Pity duricg ibeir di ? eu = sions—( hear , hear . ) He « J * d that Mr . BejgE wcnld allow the Charter to « brocght forward before the bill prepared by the wttplete Suffrage Association- ( hear , hear . ) He * a * pot so bi ^ oited iu favour of the Charter , as to **! teat it was perfect , and that no improvements ji ? ^ be made in it . Let it be brongh t before the y ^ erenee , —let its details be examined acd dis-5 jj ^« w ith a view to see whether any improve-* Kts cceld be made in it , and if so . to adopt a \ — ——— w w ii ¦ ¦* i * * * * ¦ ¦ «*« mxj ^ * - * cv | mnr tkwvf * tear

      • ran —( , bear . ; But "be maintained that the j ~* tter had a prior cfcim . In the first place , it * W borne the brunt of the present agitation , for r * Jears , aid in order to secure its enactments , ;« numb er-- of the : r fellow-countrymen had sp f-*« w Hnprisr . nment and transportauon —( load cries « bear , Bear . " ) In the next place , when they * J 5 * f ° i ° ariw up the People ' s Charter , they ^ PQttl to Mr . Itoebuck—no mean autboriiy—for t ; ? S of a = ceriainirjg from him wheiher an ^" ° f rarlismeut could not be drawn up , free from 2 ^ Je « al &nd perplexing technicalities which garae ^ nze d the laws of this country- ( hear , £ * * bear . ) ih-. Roebcck recbmmtnded them to , w np the document in such plain and ample ^ J Toage , that all who could read it , and been able 5 V r ° " Would be able to appreciate it—( bear , hear . ) jv : L " * rter had been drawn up in accordance wiih fTTv . eeo ? a ? end « 5 oii , aad it had carried conviction ™™ th )¦ O&

      ^ r « ousands- ( cheers the othex ild ' iT biU of ^ Compile Suffrage A * H > ciation j j' oeen draws up with all the forms of law . bSWl ?*' of tne Charter were opposed to all aimLv deriEK nonsense- ( cheers . ) What ! after Tei * r ^ th e woimon sense of the people for five Ami . ?? *? * Uow iBmBdves to be bewildered by been tem "" ? m ' ? > WDea for S ^ e ye ars they had of EiSwr ^ ^ ' n t 0 the common sense of the people encT ^! ^ e-eers . ) He was one , as the Conftirteriaj ^^> Probably be awsre , who had differed mar loode oV ^ . 'i 5 S * i «> dy of tbe Chartifte as to the eondeffir ^ ^ thaf - Charter into law . He had fee . jT ? . ^ . conduct of many of them . He thonijht - fctltiTl ^ Sicted consiuerable mibchief , atd had fe » : /_ ^ fcaocd the cause ; and he also thought , <( « was © Tr : ng to thii caur « that a considerable W ^ ftJailiw had been created in tbe mindi of J itf ^ V e r *' a ^^ the Charter ( hear , hear . ) WntitV t " P J « ite 5 and should they yield ^ P * to prejudice ! ( No , bo . ) They might be

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      told that the bill preferred by the Council of the Complete Suffrage movement embraced all the principles of the Charter . If it were bo , then it was a reason why the bill should not be introduced , seeing that the Charter embraced all that tbe people desired to obtain —( hear , hear ) . Why should the association introduce a measure of that description which eoold only cerve to make wider the line of demarcation ¦ which at present unhapp p y existed between the various classes of society ?—( hear , heir ) . Why should they be pitted against each other , like cotks in a pit , to be laughed at by those who looked in !—( hear , hear ) . He implored their friends , who , perhaps , from the best possible motives , bad prepared this bill , to recODBider their steps , is order that &b

      far as possible they might preserve union , and not by wasting their time in trifliBg distinctions , give their enemies an opportunity to triumph at the eipence of the Conference —( hear , hear ) . He wished to have an answer from Mr . Beggs , before he sat down , because if that gentleman declined to make the alteration proposed , he should feel it his duty to porsne the eonrse he had pointed oat by proposing an amendment . He hoped that their friendB of the Sufirage Association would not place him in that unpleasant position —( hear , hear ) . He hoped that he should not be accused of having taken this coarse from factious motives —( No , no ) . He was induced to take this course because he thought that a complete union was the only mode of accomplishing their common object— ( hear , hear ) .

      Mr . OCo . f > oB did not think that be bad any reason to regret -hi * act of courtesy towards Mr . Lovett —( hear , hear . ) Never had he ( Mr . O'Connor ) been more pleased in hia life than to give way to Mr . Lovett , and never was he more repaid than in li&tening to tbe admirable explanation which Mr . Lovett had given—( bear , bear . ) When be * beard tbe resolutions read , be intended to have taken the same objection as that which Mr . Lovett had now made— thear , hear . ) It had been his intention to have contrasted tbe merit * of the small bill , -with the demerits of the larger bill . It had been bis intention to have shown that the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association had not been drawn up with legal acumen , and that from the preamble , through every clause of it . whatever it contained that was valuable ,

      had been taken from the Charter , and that it was only that part of the document which was of any value at all If tbe Complete Suffrage Association admitted that all that -was contained in tbe Charter , was contained in ( he bill itself , why were they not prepared to support it?—( hear , bear . ) Was there to much attraction in a name that they were ready to sac . ifice their principles in order to please the unmeaning ae-uples of tboae who wens always ready to sacrifice their convictions to the mere tinie-serviBg expediency of the day —( cheers . ) What abuse had been poured out against him ( Mr . O'Connor ) and those who supported the Charter . Why , when he heard of the physical force of the working clasae « , —^ rhen he heard of their obtaining th « ir rights by their rude and rough manner of addressing

      individuals , to what did he attribute all this ? To the conduct of those who reviled the working classes instead of teaching ibem better , by putting them in possession of these civil rights to which by their birthright , and not by a mere abstract theory , they -were entitled —( bear , hear , and cheers . ) If they wanted to make the Chart'sta physically weak , let them make them morally strong— ( eheew ) . Why was it that the working classes held aloof from the middle classes ? Because tbe . middle classes had compelled them to do £ 0 —( hear , bear , and cheers ) . When tbe middle classes ¦ wished to carry tbe Reform Bill , they found it convenient acd ; indeed , necessary , to ask the co-operation of the working elassesj ; but having accomplished their object , they kicked away the ladder by which they

      mounted to their elevation , and left the great mass of the people to fall to the ground—( hear , bear , and cheen ) . Things , however , bad now taken a turn . The working classes were no longer the tools of a party—' . cheers ) . They bad acquired a moral power in the country , which would ultimately destroy all the efforts of faction to deprive them of their just demands—( cheen ) . The middle classes ¦ w ere now calling upon tbe woiking classes to assist them out of the difficulties into which class legislation had - plunged them—( bear , hear ) . But the working classes would not help to destroy either the Whigs or . the Tories . Why ? Because they wonld not derive any benefit from it —( hear , bear ) . What the supporters ol the Charter sought for was an union

      between tbe two—( tbe middle and working classes )—and then no system of tyranny could long stand before it . They talked cf a " Complete Suffrage Association . " He would have them to form such a " Complete Union " as this , and within six months from that day they Would drive the present Government out of the field ; and then they would establish another on the principles which Mr . Lovett had laid down . Some persons seemed to think that an union of the middle and working classes would destroy his power—( no , no ) . They were also told that their agitation was injurious —( laughter ) . If tfcat were so , why were they worth t : lng courted?—( cheers . ) They knew the degree of hostility which had been opposed to them , by the press , and by a large portion of tbe working classes ,

      and yet in spite « f all tbe Uonta and jibes thrown oat against them , they stood there as a party worthy the courtship of all parties —( bear , bear , and cheers ) . Those who supported the Complete Suffrage Union , said that there wai nothing in a name . Then why not surrender their little prejudices to the great scruples of the advocates of tbe Charter ?—t cheers ) . If they got rid of every single ieatier taat they now had , in less than t w # hours afterwards they wonld have as many more . Ltt them not . say that he ( Mr . O'Connor ) led the people-It was tbe people who drove him—( hear , hear ) . He was only able to maintain that iuflaence among the people which consistency wonld give to every man who preserved it—( bear , bear ) . Then how consolatory it must be to himself aad Mr . Lovett , and to every man

      wbo had beard him , to find that they were still standing up for the Charter , name and all—( cheers ) . And now , to show how capable they were of generous acts , and ? H » t if they had committed mistakes , it was in consequence of the intermeddling of third parties , and to prove to the Conference that he ( Mr . O'Connor ) weuld never be a stumbling-block in the way of preserving union among their best friends , he beg-$ ed to-express to Mr . Lovett his sorrow for ever baring TiMpfr * " his honesty and integrity—( cheers ) The advocates of tbe Charter were » ked why they did not support free trade ? They did support it—( hear , bear . ) They were for free trade in everything , but they wanted free franchise first , and then they would repeal every law which militated against tbe

      interests of the people—( cheers ) . He would work for it , and he would conform to ail the rules adopted by this Conference , and he wonld nndsrtake rt much trouble n any man could take , but he never would undertake tbattroBbleunle « for the accomplishment of tbePeople ' B Charter— , ' Ioad cheers ) . They were toJd by some that it was necessary for the country to have a strong government , or a government that would tickle the people by fanciful frauds . They had a strong Government What constituted their strength ? The weakness of the people —( hear , bear ) . Wtat constituted the weakness of the people ? Their disunion—( bear , hear ) . Then he called npon them to be united . It had frequently t "en urned that the middle classes carried the Reform Bill . That might be true , but it was the working classes who spurred them on—( hear , hear ) . The middle classes were-tbe tool * , and tbe working clswes constituted tbe machinery by which tbe Reform Bill was obtained arriTed whe roust

      , heBT , hear ) . The time had n they stand npou principle- Never were tbe sufferings of a people borne with so much heroic and Roman fortitude , and he should like to know whenever the people had achieved BUeb a position as they now occupied , with so little disturbance to public tranquillity or with so little destructioc to any thing which , was Taluable to the community / chfcrriM Feeling strongly , " be did , on this question , haxouid not help congratulating himself that what had been imposed on him as a task , was left to Mr . Lovett as a duty . He wrs glad that Mr . Lovett had availed himself of that opportunity of -vindicating his principles , and leaving him ( Mr . O'Connor ) to follow him . For his own part , he should adhere to the couree be had bitbtrto followed , and he declared that he would rather be a private in the ranks of principle , than a gentral leading on an inconsistent army in a battle of expediency— . hear , hear , and cheers . )

      Mr . Beggs wai about to address the Conference , when , Air . ± o ? ett rose and moved that an adjournment should take piace until the following morning , in order that Mr . Beggs might have an opportunity of consulting his friends on the proposition which he lilr . iovett ) had made to him . Mr . 0 C 0 NN 0 B seconded the motion , which wss put and carried . The Conference rose at eight o clock .

      WEDNESDAY— SECOND DAT . The Conference in pursuance to previons arrangements , assembled at nine o'clock in the morning , ¦ when there was as large a number of the delegates present as on the first day . Mr . Roberts , as Secretary to the Disputed Eleetions Committee , reported their decision on tbe Worcester election , and said they had come to the conclusion that the gentlemen elected at both tbe contssted elections should be received aB delegates . In making this announcement , he was requested to ask the concurrence of tbe Conference .

      Mr . O'CoiiNOK thomjbt that a worse precedent than that hinted at by Mr . Roberts could not be established —( hear , hear ) . If tkere had been two elections at Worcester , one of them must be wroag —( hear , hear ) . It might appear to be an exceedingly liberal measure to admit the whole of tne delegates elected , but it had an ultra-d . emocratic tendency , and tbe decision to which the committee bad come , -was exceeding the powers given to them—( hear , hear ) . Mr . Paurt entirely differed with Mt . O Connor in committee bad been

      bfaouiatruction of the law . If the a strictly legal body , and if tb * ir dedsion was binding legally as well as morally , then perhaps the : e might be Borne weight attached to Mr . O'Connor ' s observaUona . He recommended them to act iu a conciliatory spirit . Sit O Connor had speken of the disfranchising tendency cf the coamitteeVdfcciiiion . Now , how cowd tfce fad of giving a larger number of ™ P ™*^ Y !"* the Council , instead of a smaller one , be diafranchiscment ? It was the nicust extraordinary definition of the English longwise be tadev ^ r heard—( bear , hear ; .

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      The CRaIKVax pat the motion for the reception of the report . A Delegate rose for the purpose of proposing an amendment , but This was objected to by Mr . O'Comnoe , on the ground ( hat as a point of order , an amendment could not 13 made on the rei : ption of the rep or * . The report wr a then put and vgrced to . The Sec&btahy read the minutes of tbe previous evening ' s business . Mr . O'Connor moved that they be confirmed . Mr . WiLKirisON seconded the motion and it was agreed to .

      Mr . Lovbtt now suggested that it would be desirable to have the answer of Mr . Beggs with respect to the question which he < Mr . Lovett ) had put to him the previous evening . —( hear . ) It would be remembered that he asked Mr . Beggs whether be would consent that the words contained in the fourth resolution he bad noved , namely , that the Bill to be presented by tbe National Complete Suffrage Association , be taken as the bciis of discussion , " be omitted , and that the words " the document called the People ' s Charter be taken as the basis of discussion , " be inserted instead thereof , —( hear , hear . ) If he ( Mr . Lovett ) received an answer in the negative , he should feel it his dut / to move an amendment —( Cheers . ) - Mr . Brewster contended that Mr . Lovett could sot move an amendment They bad not . come there te consider the People ' s Charter in particular , but other documents that might be laid before the Conference—( disapprobation ) .

      Dr . Ritchie thought it was contrary to the order of debate for one delegate to pat & question to another—( hear , hear , and laughter ) . Mr . L 07 eti said that not having received an answer from Mr . Be * ga , he should feel constrained to move an amendment— ( hear , hear ) . With respect to the objection that had fallen from Dr . Ritchie , he did not think it possessed tbe least weight , because he ( Mr . Lovett ) had distinctly made the proposition to Mr . Btggs , with the view to mnintain union , and to avoid tbe necessity of his moving an amendment —( hear , hear ) . He thought it wonld have been well if Mr . Beggs bad consulted bis friends aa to bow they could agree in their mode of proceeding , but as they seemed disposed that the question should come before the Conference , he begged to move tbe following

      amendment" That the document called the People ' s Charter , embracing all the essential details of just and equal representation , couched in plain and definite language , capable of being understood and appreciated by the great mass of tbe people , for wnose government and guidance all laws ought to be written , —that measure having been before tbe public for the last five years , forming tbe basis of the present agitation , in favour of the Suffrage , and for seeking to secure the legal enactment of which , vast numbers had suffered' imprisonment , trancpoxtation , and death , —has , in the opinion of this meeting , a prior claim over all other documents proposing to embrace the principles of just representation ; it is therefore resolved , that we proceed to discuss tbe different sections of the People * Charter , in ordar to ascertain whether any improvements ecu be made in it , and what those improvements shall t 3 ; it being necessary to make that document 85 clear and perfect as possible "—( loud cheers ) .

      This was the amendment be had to propose on tbe motion of Mr . Beggs . He had expressed his views so fully when he rose to request his friend Mr . Beggs to consent to the alteration proposed , that it was not necessary that be should trouble them with any lengthened observations . He had hoped that Mr . Beggs and hia friends would have been induced to make this alteration without forcing upon him ( Mr . Lovett ) tbe necessity of moving an amendment , because he feared that it wonld end in forming tbe Conference into three parties , instead of two —( hear , hear , and no no ) Two parties already existed ; and Instead of having only the violence and folly on one side , and the wisdom and justice on the other , they would now be constrained to form three parties Instead of two , and he feared that the line of demarcation between the

      middle and tbe working classes would be widened , and that tbe agitation in favour of equal representation would be prolonged , in conseqnence ef the policy which their friends had thought fit to adopt—( hear , bear . ) He thought that course was nurely adding to the prejudices of the middle classes—( hear , hear )—and be doubzed very much whether they would obtain any great accession of that class by this movement—( hear , hear . ) What they eu « ht to seek for was , the spirit and enthusiasm of the working classes , combined with the wisdom and moderation of the electoral b * Jy—' . bear , bear . ) They were bound in justice to the great mass of the people wbo had taken up tbe question for so many years , not to sacrifice the principle for which they were contending —( hear , hear , and cheers . ) .

      Mr . O'Coxsor In seconding the amendment , said that if he thought ita adoption would divide the Conference into three parties instead of two , be should not have supported it—( bear , hear . ) But bo far from having that effect , he believed it would resolve tbe two parties into one strong party , determined to go for principle , and another weak party opposed to all principle — ( cheers . ) If , too , the amendment bad gone to make any alteration in the principles of the Charter , be would not have supported it , but the construction which be put upon it was , that it merely went to discuss the details , and consequently he gave it his most cordial consent —( bear . ) But let tbe Conference look at the position in which they would plsoe the people if they sanctioned the original motion . When they

      hod oomolidated all their movements , when all their machinery was perfected , before whom did they go to get the Charter recognised as part of the constitution , if be might so call it ? In 1639 , iu 1840 , in 1841 , and In 1842 , they went to tbe House of Cummans . For what ? Praying that tbe document entitled tbe People ' s Charter should be tbe law ef land —( loud crice of bear , bear . ) Now , were they going to be so inconsistent as to no to the House of Commons in 1843 , and to aay— " Whereas in 1839 , 1810 , 1841 , and 1842 , we prayed your Honourable House to enact the Charter , approved by tbrco millions and a half of the people , we now pray that a mass of mystifications , which would take four hours to read through , be substituted in its stead "—( hear , hear , be \ r , and laughter . )

      Why , be tbeugbt tbe House of Commons would be placvd in something like the position of the priest in Kildare . A great number of persons went to him , one praying him to give them one sort of weather , another another sort , and another wanttd a different kind stUl . o ! ( said the priest ) go away with you , aad agree among yourselves what sort of weather you will have , and , when you are unanimous , be sure that I shall agree with you "—( laughter and chee » s ) . So it would be with the House of Commons . When the people were unanimous in demanding tfaeir rights , tbe House of Commons w&uld be unanimous in eencsding them ( cheers ) . Were tbe Conference going to throw overboard the people of Ireland whom they had

      invited to join this agitation ?—thear , bear . ) Here they were goint ; to say to the House of Commons , and to judges and juries—" Well done , ye good and faithful Btrvants ye have punished these men whom ye have imprisoned and transported , righteously , for they have confessed their error , they acknowledge themaelvn to have been in the wrong , and they now ask for a different thing un < ier a different name "—( hear , hear . ) The Complete Suffrage Association said that their bill was the same in principle as the Charter . Then why did they not come forward , and support the Charter ?—( hear , hear . ) It stemed that although the Association were ashsmud of the name of the Charter , they were not ashamed to adopt its principles , in order to get their own measure carried—( cheers . ) It was for tbe

      Conference to say whether they would surrender their principles to the prejudice of a few , aud throw overboard a document whioh had become a part of every man - s political creed in tbe country . —( cheers . ) They might as well attempt to stop the rolling stream of the ocean as to stop the agitation for tbe Chart 3 r under the name of the Charter—( cheers . ) He did not wish to dragoon them ints tbe support of the amendment , but it was rendered itctssary by the motion made , by Mr . Btggs—( hear , hear . ) Dr . Ritchie , of Edinburgh , should support the original motion . He could sea a great difference between Chartists and * he Charterists—( laughter ) What was this meeting ? Was it & K&dic&l one ? No . Wn it a Whig one ? As littie . It was as much a Tory meeting as either of the other two—( laughter ) He maintained that it was a Complete Suffrage meeting and not a meeting of an > party , It was a meeting baaed on the principle of sending parties " to the tomo

      of all tbe Capufeta . " If it was said—take the Charter , he told them he could not swallow it—( laughter . ) Why ? He objected to the name of it—( " Ob , ob . ") He oljtcted to it aa the symbol of a party , and he would have objected to it equally if it had emanated from the Complete Sufrage party . Ha could not expect this movement to go on if they adopted the Charter as tbe basis of the discussion . —( hisses . ) He denied that the document which had been drawn up was tbe People ' s Charter—( " oh , ob ");—but it was tke Charter of a great number , and it might be of the wisest number for what he knew—( laughter , and cries of " question . ") The course he should take would be to accept good principles , even from a Tory ; and on the same grounds he would extract all that was valuable from the bill of the Association , the Coarter , or any other document ; he would throw them , into a crucible , and place a good fire under them , and he would bring out a metal fit for their use and for the people at large—( laughter . )

      Mr . Hetherinmon , of London , should support the amendment , notwithstan ding the objections which had fallen from Dr . Kltehie . which he thought were extremely sophistical—( bear . ) He ( Mr . H . ) was strongly in favour of the Charter , and those on hfav side of the question bad the consolation to know , that the eloquent writer of the Nontonformist , when speaking of the great good sense displayed in the People ' s Charter , admitted that the prejudice against that document was an unworthy one —( bear , hear ) . When they had a gentlemen like Dr . Miall compelled to admit this , and when their Chairman himself acknowledged the truth of the

      principles enum-iated , were the Conference to pander to these prejudices by abandonirg tbe name of the Charter ? tioud cries of no , no ) . At the former Conference , the justice of the principles containtd in the People ' s Charter were verified , and why veie they to be called upon to give np the details by which those principles were to be carried

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      into effect?— . ( hear , hear . ) He thought that such a course would be stultifying the Chartist body , and , therefore , they ought not to listen to any such argo > menta u tho « e which were urged by the Complete Suffrage Association , unless they wonld show that there wa » that in the Chatter which would not enable them to carry out those principles—( heir , hear . ) The five rctea oftke Cbattit did not :: & to ? bruit fSt document down the throats of the Association , e % t « 4 b" : n insinuated . They only asked that it should la the basis of discussion —( hear , hear . ) If there was anything omitted in the document , let it be inserted , and if there was anything that could be considered of an

      or-jr stionable character , let it 13 changed —( hc ^? . ) What were they called upon to do by the Arscsfation 1 To support s document about which they knew nothing , and which might not be so effective for the purpose as tbe Charter- ^ ( hear , hear ) . On the other hand , they had a document diawn up in such plain and simple language that a child might comprehend it —( hear , hear ) . They had got rid of a bushel of whereasea and aforesatds , and all such rubbish m fiat , and they had given to the country a model of Parlia-Hientact-making—( hear , bear ) . Under these cjreumstancea he should most cordially support the amendment —( hear , hear ) .

      Mr . Shith , of Liverpool , called upon the Conference to support the Charter , though he admitted that there was much that was excellent in the bill of the Complete Suffrtge Association . / Tbe Rsv . T . Spkkceb saw no reason why they should be bound to a particular document , because it happened to have been introduced fire years ago—( hear , hear ) . He wished that every delegate had read another document , which ho would call the M People ' s Bill of Rights , " and he thought they would find it an improvement upon the Chirter ; more liberal , more generous , more for the people ' s good , and more for the protection of their rights , than the Charter —( hear , hear , and , no no ) . He contended that they bad as much right toa name asany

      body else —( hear , hear ) . It was Baid that there was a prejudice on the part of the association in favour of a name—( hear , hear ) . He certainly did not gee why any pereon should be compelled to call himself a Chartist- ( hear , hear , hear ) . He was in favour of complete Suffrage , and he would do his utmost tooarry out the details necessary for its enactment , but he objected to a body of men coming there and saying , that they should not consider the principle under any other name than the People ' s Charter . ( Hear , hear , and hisses . ) He was present at the last Conference , and the members of the Complete Suffrage Association conceded almost every thing to the advocates of the Charter which could be asked of them , bat nothing Was conceded in return .

      ( Cries of " No , no / ' ) He repeated the truth of the assertion . But did they repent what they had donei No . They thought that what they had done was right . He trusted thathe hadthe interest of the working classes at heart as much as any man living , and hiB hope for them in this movement was the union of their own body with the electoral body ; the infusion of treah energy , fresh life , and fresh blood from another claes—( cheers . ) I Let the working classes have their own field . He thought the members of the Complete Suffrage Association could render them much service in working separately ; but if they remained one party , and that a divided oue , the effect of the new movement would be lost for ever . —( hoar , hear , and , no , no ) . He had

      beard tbe Bill to which so many allusions had been made , read over , accompanied with the explanation of the accomplished barrister who had drawn it up , and he was surprised at the opinion expressed by one gentleman who advocated the Charter who could not have seen much of the Bill ; that it was bad in tbe preamble and in its clauses—( hear , hear , from Mr . O'Connor ) . He ( Mr . Spencer ) had brought his oommon-3 ense to bear in judging of the mil ; and he must say that he did not think the opinion he had alluded to , was a correct one . He had read the Charter , too . He had heard it explained , and if gentlemen wonld only consent to have the bill of the Association , which had been drawn up with great care and at a creat expense , and if they

      would consent to have it discussed , then , at the end thty would be able to say whether they thought the bill or tbe Charter the most valuable—( hear , hear , hear ) . He could not understand why it was contended that the Charter should be the basis of discussion . Every body knew : what the Charter was , but every body did not kuow what the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association was—( hear , hear ) . If they condemned a measure about which they knew nothing , he would ask whether they would not be blindly following blind leaders , and whether they would not be voting in the dark!—( hear , hear , and disapprobation ) , If the Conference were determined to act in this way , he felt bound as an Englishman , and claiming a right to think and act for himself , to

      Bay that rather than he would give up his independence , he should henceforward . recommend that there should be two parties , and that they should carry on their Conference under different numes —( hear , hear , and disapprobation ) . It ought to be borne in mind that the Charter was wily an outline of the proposed bill , and that it wanted filling op , Qn tba otlwr h » ud , the bill h * d been filled up wivh veiy great care , and if adopted , it would be the glory of the land- ^( hear , hear , and no , no ) . Why not allow the members of the Association the same privilege which the advocates of the Charter demanded for themselves T— ( hear , hear ) , if it was to be said— " you must come to us first , " he must fay no—( hisses ) . As a clergyman of the church of England , he could converse with a dissenter on the principles of Christianity , without any sacrifice of his own convictions , but if the dissenter asked him to tarn to his way of thinKuie . he

      would not do so . Neither on theother hand would he ask the dissenter to come to him . He wanted liberality in religion as well as everything else , and he rejoiced to say that with respect to the c ? eturoii in the Churoh , there was a disposition , when they paw a man determined to think for him&elf , to allow him to do bo . He wanted to lower the taxes , but ho would do it in a fair way . He wanted to reform the Churoh , but he wished to do it in accordance with scriptural reason . He . wished to extend the elective franchise , and put every man in possession oi his civil rights , but he sought to do that by peaceable and legitimate means , and he would be no party to any thing that could lead to disorder or to destruo . tion of the national institutions—( hissing and much confusion ) . He did not mean to say —( Renewed hissing ) . A Delegate hoped that Mr . Spencer would confine himself to the question , and not insult the Conference by such insinuations —( cheers , and cries of order ) .

      Tbe Chaibxah behered that Mr . Spencer had been misunderstood —( hear , hear ) . Mr . JJPBNCBB was only wishing to show the Conference that the Six Points might he hold by different parties , and ha had no wish whatever to offend the feelings of any delegate —( hear , hear ) . He was not unaware that parties bad been acoused of improper conduct , but he was not there to repeat the charge —( hear , hear ) . It was sufficient for him if such a party had seen his error , and had repented of it . He . '• . would only say , in conclusion , that he took his stand on the principle he had laid down , and he would not be one . of those who would go for the Charter and nothing but the Charter—( hear , hear , and hissing ) .

      Mr . West , of Oidhanij differed entirely with the gentleman who had last addressed them . There were two documents 'before the Conference , and the question was , whioh . of . ' . them should have the priority , as forming th « basis of the discussion . Now , if the council , calling this Conference together , considered that they were the parties who were to draw up a bill for : the consideration of the Conference , why then they would be the mere nominees of the coancil —( hear , hear . ) But f ' . ey did not come there aa the nominees of any party , but to take principle for their guide , which they knew the document , the People's Charter , to contain , and to go to work in a proper manner . He / thought that Mr . Spencer had furnished a very , good argument in

      favour of the priority of the Charter . He said that the bill of the Association was filled up , 'bu t that theCiiar " ter was only an outline . Well , then , that was a very good argument why the Charter should come under discussion , in the first instance , so that they might introduce such provisions and amendments as would make it a perfect .-document—( hear , " hear , ) Much had been said about » harae . He supported the Charter , because it recognised the rights of the people , and therefore they called it the ^ People ' s Charter— ( hear , hear . ) r ;¦ Mr . R . Summers ,. Kirkcudbright , begged to say that hia attachment was in favo ur of the Charter ; bui he did not agree iyith those who contended for the Charter and no other document—( hear , hear , and hi&ses ) . He . thought the Council of the Complete Suffrage Association were justified in preparing a new bill , and he considered it was the duty of the Conference to enter into a caadid

      examination of it , as well as of all other bills —( hear , hear . ) It should bo borne in mind that the document called the vt People ' s Charter" had never been presented to any meeting like that —( hear , hear . ) It was true that it had been adopted by the great mass of the country , in consequence of the grandeur and nobleness of its principles , rather than from any knowledge of ita details—( hear , hear , and loud cheering . ) The question was , now far they could enter into a discussion of the bills . He thought that neither of them should hare the priority . Some delegates argued for priority in | favour of the Charter , because it was the oldest . Now , he believed a . bill had been introduced by Major Cartwright , which was older than either of the documents before the Conference , and , therefore , he thought there was no weight in the argument that had been urged . He had an amendment to propoBe which he thought would get rid of the difficulty experienced . It was— ' ¦ . . ¦ . ' . 7 .. •¦¦¦ -. 7 - .. ' ¦ - ¦ ¦ ¦ . ' ' ¦

      That neither of the bills be exclusively made the basis of discussion , but that both bills , and all other bills of a similar description be at the disposal of the Conference , and laid on thq tablo » and that parlies be appointed to read and defend the correlative clauses of those bills , and the clauses to be read seriatim and submitted to the meeting . " Air . W . Beodie , of A idree , supported the amend-

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      pent , and in doing so , he thought that both bills Bhould be taken together . A man had no right to Bay that the Charter should be taken first , because he had suffored from its advocacy —( hear ) . Mr . Roberts , of Bath , begged to a ^ k whether if it bad been thought that the bill of the Complete Suffrage Association was to be the be Ms of dLcussionv a single Chartist would have been prc : ent at the Conference!—( hear , hear ) . Dn Ritchie had told them that he could not swallow the Charter . What the Doctor's swallow might be , he ( Mr . Roberts ) oould not tell , but it ceemed rather odd , that whilst

      be could sot swallow a small document which would go through the penny-post , be could bolt , a document which filled forty nages of ^ rint—( hear , hear , and laughter ) . He ( Mr . Roberts ) had seen the b'll , and , aa compared with the Charter , it wr - not to be named in the Bamebreath —( bear , hear ) . He pledged himself , as a gentleman and a lawyer , that it was not to be compared with the Charter for legal accuracy ; and , more than that , he pledged himself to the truth of this statement , that onehalf of the clam . es were entirely inapplicable to the pHrpose-HLhear , hear ) .

      Dh Ritchie rose to order—( hisses ) . He thought that Mr . Roberts was entering upon the criticism of a bill whioh was not before the Conference- ( cries of " it is before us" ) . 7 Mr . Pahky wished to ask the Secretary whether the bill was not before the Conference ¦! The Secretary answered in the negative . Mr . RoEEHrs begged to remind the Conference that Mr . O'Connor had offered to withdraw his proposition if Mr . Beggs would withdraw his ; and , had the latter complied , neither of the bills would have taken precedence , and the Executive Committee could then have determined to which priority should be given—( hear , hear ) . He was Borry that this discussion should have arisen . He had hoped

      that they could have worked side by side . But it seemed he was mistaken . The members of the Complete Suffrage Association might make the augustean boast of the Roman Emperor , that he found Rome of brick and left it of marble ; but after they had found the Charter a mass of Crude legislation , with nothing but simplicity to distinguish it , with nothing but principle to support it , and with nothing but the people ' s valour to carry it , he hoped they would follow out the example of the Roman Emperor , who , although he left the edifice of marble , did not change the name under which the glories of the eternal city had been gained—( hear , hear , and cheers . V ¦ .-. : '¦¦ .. '• " '¦¦ ¦ .. .-7 ' 7 . ,.. '" . ' . ' . ¦'¦ .. '¦' The Rev . P . Brewsteb supported tho original motion , and proposed the following amendment ;—

      " That the Bill which this Council is met to consider and diBOuas , being founded on the ; People's Charter , and actually embracing its great principles , it is not expedient and not necessary to discuss any other documents , excepting in connection with the Bill , until we have disposed of the Bill itself submitted to our consideration . " Mr . Brewster approved of tbe conduct of tbe Council in drawing up the Bill , and thought that the Conference were bound , in fairness , to consider its provisions .

      Mr . Johnson , of Bristol , seconded the amendment , and in doing so , he said he was not prepared to vote against the Bill of the Complete Suffrage Association , until heknew the nature of its provisions . He had hoped that the speeches of Mr , O'Connor and Mr . Lovett would have offered something tangible to discuss ; instead of which they had been wasting their time in discussing mere trifles , by leaving out everything that was valuable in principle —( bear , hear , and laughter ) . Mr . Davis , of Hawiok , suggested that tho question of priority should be referred to the Executive Committee . 7 ¦ -. - 7 , ' ¦ . " . ¦ '¦¦¦ , ¦ ' .-. 77 _ . ¦ - ¦ . ;' ,. ; .. . ¦ Mr . Allbhiqht moved that neither of the documents take precedence . The proposition was not seconded .

      Mr . Williams , of Sunderland , hoped that some common ground would be taken , and thought that the amendment of Mr . Summers inoluded everything . . ; ' ¦ : ¦ - . ¦'¦¦ ' ;' . ¦ -. ¦ . - ; 7 : . : . ; ¦ 7 . : ¦ Mr . P . O'Higgins , of Dublin , was Certainly of opinion that the proposition brought forward by Mr . BeggB , was one of the most extraordinary he had f » r * heard of . What was it ? It was that a bill of rrbi a bey had never before heard , should form the oasis of discussion 1 and he would appeal to any member of the Conference whether they ever heard of such a proposition before—( loud cries of "No , no" ) . What he wished Mr . Beggs to have done was , to have brought forward the Charter in OEehand , and the bill in the other , and that they Bhould both form the basis of discussion—( hear , hear , and loud cb . eers ) . 7 ¦ ¦ . ¦' . " . " ¦' ,.. ¦' . ¦ ¦'¦; . . . . \ . .. ¦ : . ¦ ¦ . - ¦ . ••

      Rev . Mr , Miall , supported the original motion , claiming honesty of intention for the members of the Complete Suffrage Association , and contended that the struggle carrying on by the advocates of the Charter was not for the sake of principle , but merely for the sake of precedence , whioh amounted to nothing . ; ¦ : ' ' 7 7 . ¦ ; -7 ' 7 \ . ' ' . Mr . MACPUKasoN , of Ipswich , spoke in favour of the amendment . " V Rev . Mr . Leeson , of Frome , supported the original motion , and amidst much hissing , said that if they adopted the Charter as the basis of discussion , instead of the bill , the movement would be damned . It being now one o ' clock , the Conference adjourned to three o ' clock . .

      AFTERNOON AND EVENING SITTING . The Conference re-assembled at three o ' clock . Mr . J . W / lson , of Aberdeen , supported the original motion . / Dr . Wade called upon the Conference to support the amendment ; . In his opinion it was not the name of the Charier to which the middle classes whom the Comnlete Suffrage party wished to conciliate , objected , but the principles it contained —( loud cries of " hear , hear ") . He believed that if the advocates of . the Charter consented to change the name of the document , that tho very

      next day the members of the Association would contrive some other loop-hole out of which to escape—( hear , bear ) . Dr . Glover , of Edinburgh , thought the Conference ought to take for its text the Six Great Points , and that delegates should be at liberty to advocate either the Charter , ox any other document whioh recognised them—( hear , hear ) . ;'¦ Mr . Ja 8 , Dixon , of Northwlchj was decidedly in favour of Mr . Lovett ' s amendment . He strongly recommended them to go to the vote , for he was sick and tired of the proceedings , and he was afraid he should have a very bad account to give his constituents—( lauehter ) .

      Mr . Tickers , of Belper , advocated the amendment . ' . ' ¦ - ¦ ¦ . . ¦ ' ' - ¦ ' : ; , . '¦;• ¦ . ' .. ¦ . ¦ . ' . _ 7 . ¦¦ ¦; . . ¦ ¦ ¦ - ¦ -. . 7 Mr . v Macdonald , of Aberdeen , supported the amendment , and he did so , not on account of tho antiquity of the Charter , but from principle . Mr . ViNiNG , of Reading , recommended a union with the ex-members of the Association , as he thought that the adoption of any other course would be fatal—( hear , hear , and no , no ) . : Mr . J . H . Parry , of London , should support tho amendment proposed by Mr . Lovett , and he did so on the ground that the working classes were attached to the Charter , from strong , abiding , aud natural reasons —( hear , hear . ) It " was not the name of Charter which those of the middle classes whom

      the members of the Association desired to conciliate objected to , but it ' s principles—( hear , hear . ) They had no right to yield to the paltry prejudice of the middle classes , against the just demands of the People—( cheers . ) Why , what-had their respected chairman himself Baid , with regard to this ? He had said that all the prejudices whioh existed against the Charter were unworthy and unfouuded , and that the soundest basis on which a radical reform could rest , was the Charter —( loud cries of "hear , hear , " and cheersi ) He ( Mr . Parry ) belonged to the middle classes . He mixed much among them , and he was bound to admit that there existed on their parts a profound indifference to political priuoiplos—( hear , hear . ) But at the same time he

      was bound to state this fact , ( and he hoped the members of the Complete Suffrage Association would bear it in mind , ) that those of the middle class with whom he had mixed , were in the habit of saying to him , " Oh ,. ! we can easily understand why you support the Charter , because you are a Chart ^ t . We oppose it because we think the principles it advocates are dangerous , but we protest against those principles beiuff thrust down our throats under another name , "—r ( loud and continued cheers . ) That was a growing fooling among the middle classes , and he would ask the council whether they thought it likely that their advocacy of the Six' -Points ' of the Charter would enlist the co-operation of the middle

      classes , because they supported them under another name ?—( loud cries of "hear , hear . " ) He believed the Association would defeat its own object , and why i Because they would not have honesty to recommend them , —( hear , hear . ) Mr . Miall had said , . ^ . Take the bill . " If Mr . Miall was the minuHr » f a despotic government , and that governmeni would give them the bill to-morrow , ho would take it , —( hear , hear . ) But the government would not give them the bill , and therefore , the question for the Conference was , how were they to force it upon the attention of the government r —( hear , hear . ) How could this be done V By union , —( hear , hear . ) Who carried the Reform Bill ? Not the middle classes alone , but they and the working classes

      united , and if such an union existed now aB prevailed then , they would exhibit a moral power and a strength , of demand , which neither Sir Robert Peel or any other minister conld resist , —( oheers . ) They had heard something of the leaders in this movement deceiving the people . He would not enter into any question of that character , but if they wanted to destroy the power of those leaders let them do complete justice to the people , and then the people , appreciating their own rights , and knowing now to maintain them , would be too independent to be led by any man , except so far as his honesty and consistency gave him a claim to their confidence . ( Hear , hear . ) For the reasons he had stated , he Bhould support the amendment j and he called upon the Conference not to stultify itself , by surrendering

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      the glorious principles of the Charter to paltry prejudice , and to a wretched and temporizing expediency ( loud oheers . ) ¦ Mr . L . Hetwobtb , df Liverpool , would support the bill , becauce both it and the Charter were tho same in principle . He considered that the Charter had been injured by those who ca'lcd themielves tbe leaders of ihe . ' piBopIe . ' ( Shouts of .- " No , no , " aad much hicsirg . ) He had a ri ' sslit to maintam . this op ! - hion , and if the reporters would only report what he said it should go front one end of the kingdom to the other ( great confusion . ) : When he joined the Complete Suffrage movement , he waa determined that iAr . Sturge should be his leader . He had come from Liverpool to declare his opinions , atid if they would not allow him to declare tnem , he denounced ihom f . 3 the mo 3 t arrant tyrants on the face of the earth ; ( hifccei ) and although they might ca'l them ^ elvci Chartists , tkey would be the most despotic tyrants

      that ever disgraced human nature ( -great- ' hi sing . ) He loved to be ' identifi ( d with the Charter , but he never would , be identified with its leaders ( trimecdous hissingij Aye , let them heir him if they dare . ( Renewed confusion , and an exclamation of ' " Put him out . " Some one said , " put him out . " ( " urder , order . " ) He could understand them . It torched their feelings . ( Hisse \) It came home to them . ( Hissei . ) But they should hear him , and the country : &hould hear him from Land ' s End to John O'Groats . ( Laughter . ) Be would not be identified with the leaders of the Charter , when he had seen with his own eyes and bad heard with his own ears language which never ought to have come out of the month of any man . ( Shouts of " Name , name . " ) He would mention the circumstances . ( " Name , name . " ) If they wanted to hear truth , let them listen to what he said . ( Cries of ** Hear him , he ' s so amusing . ")

      A Delegate , —Is the whole Conference to be insulted by such a , man as this I C' Chair , chair , '' " Order , order . ") Tho Chairman . —Hear . A DEtEOATE .- -Hear , hear . Mr . Heywobth conceived that the object of this Conference was to call over the working men ta those leaders who would carry them on in a holy , righteous , and peaceable agitation , which would secure' the people their just rights . 'Xhey would not lead them on to bloodshed , to massacre , to anarchy , and to plunder ,-- ( great hissing . ) They would not do this , neither did be say that anybody else had done it , —( much hissing . ) If any body had done so , they were guilty , and not himi—( great diborder ) Mr . Robebts .- ^ -You said you had bosh seeti and heard of such things , and now you deny it , —( shame , shame . )

      Mr . Heyworth . —Yes , and I have seen them , — ( name , name . ) ^ Mr . Jomis , delegate from Liverpool , begged to inform the Conference that Mr . Heyworth was not the representative of Liverpool , —( hear , hear . ) Mr . Heywobth—No : I am the representaiive of Reading . Mr . Hobson , of Leeds . —I move that Mr . Heyworth be allowed a quarter of an hour longer , — ( hear , hear . ) He is a sample of his class , and 1 ho ^ a the Conference will have the benefit of the specimen , —( hear , hear . ) 7 A Delegate seconded the proposition , and it Waa

      carried , but Mr . Heyworth did not avail himself of the privilege ; and having expressed a hope that tho Charter would succeed , he retired amidst hisse , groans , and every species of disapprobation . Mr . Skelton , of Westminster ; Mr . Rowland , of Dundee ; Mr . Beesley , of Blackburn ; and Mr . Jones , of Liverpool , generally addressed the Conference ia support of Mr . Lovett ' s amendment . Mr . Begqs , the mover of the original resolution , replied to the various arguments addressed in suppo : i of the amendment , expressing his regret at being compelled to differ from those for whom he had the highest respect , aud stating his intention to press the motion to a division .

      The Chairman here announced that , as according to the rulesi he had a vote , independent of his casting vote , he should record his opinion in favour of the original resolution . The Chairman then put the amendment moved by Mr . Brewster , for which onl y two hauds were held up . The next amendment put was that of Mr . Sumners , for which probably twenty hands a ; - p eared . Both- these amendments , therefore , were lost . ¦ ¦ -. ¦ ¦ ' ¦• ' ' ' . ... ; ¦ . ' - .. ¦ : ' . ' '• • '¦' . ' : ¦ ¦ ¦ '¦ ¦ - . The Chairman next put the amendment moved by Mr . Lovett , which was carried by a large majority and amidst great oheering . The original motion was then put and of course uegatived in . a similar

      manner . Mr . Hobson moved that the votes in favour of the original motion and the amendment , should be recorded . 7 : ¦ . ; ' ¦ .. ' ¦ ¦ .. ¦ . ' - : . •' ¦ y , ¦ ¦ 7-V ; : 7 " A Delegate seconded the motion and it was agreed to ... 7 . - ¦; . - . ' " .: " . ; 7 - : ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦¦ ¦ . '¦ - ¦ . "¦ ¦ . ¦¦ . ¦ ¦ .: ' ¦ ¦ The result was as follows : — . For the original motion ............ Jyi For the amendment .................. 193 ' Majority for . iheamendmeni 9 ^ ¦ - ¦' - ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ Fourteen of the Delegates remained neutral , and 73 were absent , on their names being oaUi'd . The announcement was received in silence .

      Having made the formal announcement tbat tbe amendmenfc was carried , Mrj Sturge aiid the time for adjournment bad arrived , and it became his duty , while be gave credit to the parties who bad manifested so much attachment to that very excellent docament , the People ' s Charter ,- for having conducted their busier in a manner that did them credit , and while he hoped that credit would be given to him fo * sincerely wishing to bring the principles of tbat Charter int « operation—to say that he thought he should not beat serve their erase by continuing to occupy that chair after to-night . He trusted that whatever little warmth of temper might have been manifested on either side in the heat of debate would oe now forgotten , and that the parties , if they could not agree to work together , would work harmoniously in parallel lines . They , the majority , who had determined for the

      Charter , wouldmeet to-monrpw morning in that place , and go on with their business , while he and those who thought with him would meet in some other pi- ^ , to prosecu' ? their business in their own way . As they were aU aiming at one and the esme end , he traett-d they would be no hindrance to each other . In this ntatement of the purpose of his p 3 rty to withdraw from aU further connection With the Conference , he wpt supported by the Rev . Mr . Spencer . The announcement seamed to excite much surprise , and produced a great sensation . Mr . Sturge having left the cb ^* it w « taken by the Hev . TM-v Spencer , and a vote of thanks to Mr . Sturge for h ' s patient and impartial discharge of the dutieB of the choir up to the present time , was proposed by Mr . Lovbtt , and seconded by Mr . O'Connor . On its rdrg put in the affirmative it was recoived with considerable cheering , and many hands were held up—tne . negative yra-i not called for . The Conference then adjourned .

      Prior to the dispersion of the delegates from the room , Mr . Pwrc ? , from Newport , Isle of Wight , a genuine specimen of the old school of "Friends" or Quakers , as they are moctly called , came forward , and mounting on a form , disclaimed the doctrine of Meusr * . Sturge and Spencer , that the minority of 93 were to maet next morning in the Complete Suffrage rooms , separate from- the Conference . He had come from the Isle of Wight- ^ he had been sent to the Conference—he had voted tot the motion ; but he considered the majority the Conference / and should continue with them—( hear , hear , and cheers ) . . : Mr . Sturge , the Rev . T . Spencer , and other members of the Council , adjourned to the rooms of the Association , in Waterloo street , for the purpose of considering the provisions of their Bill .

      In the evening of Wednesday , a large tea party took place in the Hall of Science to celebrate the liberation of Mr . Mason . Mr . O'Connor was present , and addressed the meeting in a speech of considerable length , whioh was listened to with deep attention , and at the close was followed by great applause .

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      POLITICAL VICTIM , DEFENCE . AND FAMILY SEPPOBT ' .- .. ' "¦ ' ¦ ¦ ' ' ' FOND . ¦ ' - ' '¦ ¦¦¦' ¦ ¦ ' ¦ . - ' . - . v .-7 : ¦ - ¦¦ 7 . ¦ : ' ¦ ¦' ¦ - ¦ £ s & Previously acknowledged ... . ^ . 1 60 6 6 A . B . C ... ... ... ... ... 4 > I 0 Mr . Waterworth , ( Bhce maker ) ... 0 5 0 Birkenhead , Cheshire ... ... ... 19 0 A Christmas box , from 3 rd Division City Bootmakers .. j ..... ... 0 8 5 A few Flax Dressers , Broadford Works , Aberdeen ... ... ... 0 8 0 Johns tone , ¦ Scotland ... ... ... 0 10 . 0

      163 7 11 Note . — -The Secretary of the Chartist shoemakers , Golden-lane , London , has required from Mr . Cleave an account of the expenditure of the above . To this Mr . Clea ' ve replies , that it is questionable whether such a balance sheet could be published pending the trials traversed from the Special Commissions ; and besides , Mr . C . has not the slightest controul over the fond , further than to pay , as he has from time to time , the subscriptions received by him to Mr . O'Connor , who has hitherto acted as treasurer , & « . It may , however , be as well to intimate that several of the London delegates have been specially instructed to introduce the question of a " National Defence and

      Support fund" to the attention of the Birmingham Conference . In the event of the Conference declining to accede to the motion for that purpose , the Committee nominated by the Great Metropolitan Meeting at the Crown and Anchor ( of Whioh Committee : Messrs . O'Connor , Cleave , ' .. ' -Dr ; Black , &c , are members ) will doubtless suggest some effective plan for the adoption of the country generally . la the mean time , no true Chartist will , —as the Golden Lane Secretary asserts , —withhold h ^ pOn ^ iiwkiSIl to the Fund , Mr . O'Connor s hnnnp ^ LfBfciJ ^ A vSv ought to bo held aBufficJent secnrftnKf ^^^^^ rX application of ' -every farthing subacnKoKftshim ^ T ) also be borne in mind that « a 6 ^ nfflmd 9 % eji * &J % been subscribed for the defence , inffibS * i ^»» ffife s ^^ C support of the families , of the Ti 4 wC ^^ 5 > y /|^« J ^ T ^ 0 ^^ M ^

      Subscriptions Received By Mr. ¦• ; . .•;. Cleave ¦ ;.: ¦ ..: ¦ , :; . :

      SUBSCRIPTIONS RECEIVED BY MR . ¦• ; . . •; . cleave ¦ ; .: ¦ ..: ¦ , : ; . :

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      ' THE NORTHERN STAR . *

  • Citation
    • Northern Star (1837-1852), Dec. 31, 1842, page 5, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct462/page/5/