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i . i nnftnle liofc only in this county , Jbut in the colonies SHXeeeh of Mr . Gladstone , in moving the second read-• „ was addressed to a point upon which , he ( Sip John ) ' A with him—namely , ' the expediency of giving ^ ter freedom of action to the Church of Engrland in the g 1 ? . » which laboured under certain disabilities—the at defect being the want of power to carry out its G > line , the authority of the bishops ^ being autocratic ; Ahtvma prepared to concur with Mr . Gladstone ; that + VAte oucht to be a change in the law , and that the rhurch in the colonies requiredjsome legislative assistance liiat would prevent the bishops from retaining a power at «*« danfferous and invidious . The attention of the
ArchhLshop of Canterbury had been directed to this subject nd thinking the time had come for placing the Church in the colonies upon a better footings his Grace had opened a flrimmunication with the Bishop of Sydney , as Colonial Metropolitan , respecting the mode and form in which Ae Imperial legislation for that object should be conducted . Pending these communicationsj he would , ind ependent of other considerations , have suggested whether "ti was desirable to press the bill during the present session . But it was impossible for Mm , Sir John added , after the manner in which Mr . Gladstone had argued the measure , to refrain from entering into what he believed to be its «« wie bbiect , and tendency—the terms in which the bill was
drawn being so indistinct , that he questioned whether any two lawyers would agree in their construction of its language . Se could not doubt that Mr , Gladstone's object wasto ' pl ^ the Church of England in the colonies upon the same footing as other rengipus denominations j but he be lieved , if earned out , its effects would be , first , to exalt the Church of England iii the colonies into a state of dominance ; secondly , to break it up into small separate C hurches ; and thirdly , to destroy the supremacy of the Crown , and even to over-rule all legislation , imperial and colonial . The hist clause introduced an important alteration of our ordination service , by dispensing with the oath a ' ' '" * - *¦ . J . I * **¦ £ > ini : i'AiliwM 1 \( tf ^ wWM . W \ A W f ^ ' ^ # V A «« f « l * l « % wit ? ixiou cmvwi ± juoud vi
ot supremacy . < r—^ . M . yv c » ca w cw **> persons to hold ecclesiastical oflices in tie . Church of England without taking that oath . He might be told that the supremacy of the Crown in ecclesiastical matters did not extend to the colonies ; but this doctrine would be repugnant to the statute 1 st Elizabeth , and to the express words of the Quebec Act . Mr . Gladstone had ; rested his case , Sir John remarked , upon demands made by the colonies themselves , but had not cited a single application for the passing of such a bill , or fpr ^ separating from the Church of England , or for renouncing the Crown ' s supremacy : whereas he ( Sir John ) cOiild show a contrary
desire on their part ; and with that view he read extracts from memorials and resolutions transmitted from different colonies in Australia and Tasmania . With these facts , he could not consent to the further progress of a bill involving such grave considerations . He would , even as a private citizen , be no party to the breaking up . of the Church of England into branches , or the impugning the supremacy of the Crown , which , he believed , was one of the surest guarantees for the religious liberty wo enjoyed . He intreated Mr . Gladstone to abandon the bill , and moved that the House proceed to the other orders of the day . "
Mr . Gladstone complained that Sir J . Pakmgton had , unintentionally , grossly misrepresented him as having dispensed with the oath of supremacy , inasmuch as the bill required subscription to the Thirty-nine Articles , one of which ( the 87 th ) declared the supremacy of the Crown , and was precisely equivalent to the 36 th canon ; so that the oath of supremacy was superfluous . Sir J . Pakington contended that this explanation did not touch his objection ; that the bill did , in fact , dispense with the oath of supremacy , and that this was the first attempt to ordain to ecclesiastical offices without taking that oath .
Mr . Addebxey warmly supported the bill , and insisted that it was desired by the colonies . He frankly admitted that a " separation of the Church from tho State would be preferable to a pseudo connexion which paralyzed the Church , and which had no analogy to the connexion of the Church of England with the State . " Sir Robert iNGLia looked upon the bill with aversion and distrust . The Attoiiney-Generaii seemed to bo of opinion that-there was no law in existence forbidding the meeting of the colonial bishops and clergy for the purpose of making internal regulations—and therefore no need of the bill .
Mr . Bethbm , opposed , imd Sir \ V . P . Wood supported , the view taken by Mr . Gladstone . The ground ° f Mr . HoiiSMAN's hostility is singular . "His objection to the bill was , that it gave to tho colonial churoh , powers , exemptions , and authority , which , whether rightly or wrongly he could not say , were denied to the Churoh of England at homo . The only thing they ought to do was , as the Free Kirk and other churches had Jio no , to renounce State connexion ; and then they would oo iroe from Stato restrictions . "
A ho amendment , not being opposed by Mr . Glad-H «>? io , wns agreed to , and tho Hquso passed to the other orders pf tho day .
THH MAYNOOTH DEB ATM . Ministers having professed an inability to grant a " » y for the resumption of the adjourned debate on ^ laynooth , Mr . Nbwdkcutii ] , for Mr . Spooner , who »» unwell , fixed June 16 th . To this Mr . CARDWBtL ob jected , that this was to postpone tho motion until thei Inquiry could not possibly take place . , ° rd J - ItosSBLi . said , it must bo obvious , after w « at baa ix 5 OU gtntca , that it would bo a more mockery
( cheers ) upon the 16 th of June to appoint a select committee to inquire into the system of education at Maynooth College ; If there were to be an inquiry at all , it was evident tliat it could not be by appointing an inquiry to commence on the 16 th of June , when the House would not be sitting at the utmost more than two or three days , or possibly a week , after that date . ( Hear , hear . ) The Chancellor of the Exchequer said , that the Government were not prepared to abrogate the grant to Maynooth , nor had . anything fallen
from any member of the Government to justify that statement . There was a very great desire that an inquiry should take place into the systein of education pursued in that college . But the motion was brought forward by his hon . friend ( Mr . Spooner ) , and recommended by him on grounds upon which he could not in any way concur . ( Loud cheers from the Opposition . ) He vainly endeavoured to explain the impression made by the speech , of Mr . Walpole last week . He declined to carry on the inquiry , as Lord John Russell suggested , by means of a Royal commission .
An attempt was made to adjourn the debate to Wednesday next—the Derby day ; but in the midst of the conversation the clock struck six , and the House stood adjourned . A . smart conversation , principally maintained by Irish Members , took place on Thursday respecting the attempt made by Mr . Newdegate to postpone the debate to the 16 th of June . After a great deal of bantering ^ and quibbling , and evasion , on the motion of Mr . Foebes , it was resolved that the adjourned debate should be resumed on Tuesday next , at 12 o ' clock .
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House Of Lords. An Interesting Conversat...
HOUSE OF LORDS . An interesting conversation arose in the House of Lords on Monday night , arising out of a question put by the Duke of Abgyli , to Lord Malmesbury . Their lordships must have observed a representation in the public papers , that an Englishman of the name of Murray had been confined in prison at Borne for two or three year , s , without trial , on an accusation of having committed a criminal offence , and- that he had been recently sentenced to death . That was an extraordinary statement , considering that he was a British subject . He wished to ask thei noble earl opposite , whether any application had been made to him , either from the friends of Mr . Murray or
from Our consular agent at Some , on his behalf . It would be satisfactory to the public mind of this country if the noble earl would give an explanation of the circumstances under which that gentleman had suffered so long , and _ of the reasons why he had not been brought at once to trial . It was stated that the trial , which terminated in his being sentenced to death , was not a public , but a secret trial ; that he had never been confronted with the witnesses who gave evidence against him , and that all the proceedings instituted against him were calculated to inspire the British public with a conviction that he had not met with ordinary justice . The Earl of Maxmesbttby . said—As far as I am concerned , I am g lad that the noble duke has given me an opportunitof laining the statements which I have
y exp seen with pain in the public journals . The facts of tho case are these , as far as I am informed : —About a week after I had acceded to office , —that was in the first week of March , as far as I recollect , —I received a communication from our consul at Borne , Mr . Freeborn , that Mr . Murray , the son of a meritorious officer formerly in Her Majesty's service , had been for thirty months confined in tho common prison of Ancona oh a chargo of murder , alleged to have been committed in common with a band of regular murderers and brovos , who , at the time , infested that part of Italy . He was not brought to trial at the time , in consequence , as it was said , of the disturbed condition of that portion of the country . In consequence , howevor , of the transrorrea
representations of Mr . Consul Moore , he was from tho prison of Ancona to that of Home . I boliovo that application was made at tho same time to Cardinal Antonelli that he might have a fair trial , and that justice might bo dono to him ; and that Cardinal Antonelli gave a promise that justice should bo dono to him . I have Binco received a despatch from Mr . Freoborn , stating tho arrival of Mr . Murray at ltomo . On receiving tho first despatch from Mr . Freeborn , I wrote to Mr . Freoborn dosiring him to watch tho proceedings , to see that Mr . Murray had fair play , and to take care that no injustice was done . Tho next intimation whioh I received of tho procoodincs in this case was from tho statements in tho public
journals . Mr . Frooborn has not again alluded to tho nublect , nor havo I received any intimation regarding it from our Charge d'Affaires at Florence You arc doubtless aware , my lords , of tho anomalous position in which wo stand at Borne , ( hoar , hear , ) and of our having no logitimato channel through which wo can make a regular application to tho Papnl Court . You aro doubtless awaro that it is only in a circuitous , Underhand way , very unworthy of this great country , ( loud cries of " hear , " ) that wo can a 880 rt and vindicate those groat points of international law , whinh \ t , in mv dutv in mv nresont oflico to carry out ., Iwo
months ago I wrote a strong despatch to Mr . Frooborn , directing him to boo fair play in this case of Mr . Murray ; « nd I can nssuro tho noble duko that I havo not tho Bliffhtost objootion to lay the whole of tho correspondence on this subject upon tho table of tho House . ( Hcar ,-hear . ) The Duko of Anavxi .. —I am certainly satisfied with the answer of tho noble secretary , ho far as ho in individually concerned ; but I must Bay , that if Mr . Murray was imprisoned for twonty or thirty months without trial , and without any remonstrance from tho English Government , tho noblo BOorotary is not roBponsiblo for that , bub his
immediate predecessors in office . ( Hear , hear . ) I turnnow to another subject . —Has the noble earl any objection to the production of the despatches which passed between himself and his predecessors in office with the Austrian Government , respecting the case of three individuals , Messrs . Wingate , Smith , and Edwards , who were missionaries in Hungary ? I observe that all the documents connected with their case havST already appeared in , the public , papers , but as vet they are : not officially before this House . 1 have looked for them , my lords , with great curiosity . So far as I am able to judge of the reply given by the noble earl to the application from those , gentlemen , it is very iiTia « friHffl /» t . / Yi « - « r and t . lin rftnlv of t . Tm Austrian Government ' - » - mm ~—
* am JIW ^ iWiSUiMl / V ^^ - » y M «** -. «• . w ^ - ^ ^ .-mr ^ v — m m-wmr~— ^ - — — mwr » . ; - ~ --- -. is even still less satisfactory . ( Cries of " Hear" from both sides of the House . ) My lords , I am not anxious to deprecate any idea of hostility against the Ministry as to their policy , so far as it goes , seeing that no human being knows anything as yet of that policy , ( "Hear , " and a laugh , ) but there w one thing which I do deprecate , and that is this , —that any man should imagine that there is any political party in this House less anxious than , another to vindicate the rights of British subjects when violated by despotic proceedings abroad . ( Hear , hear . ) I am convinced that all parties will be equally anxious to vindicate those rights of British subjects , which it is the special duty of all who fill the Foreign-office to maintain .
lord Maxmesbttby ; said , that he could not lay the whole correspondence on the table , as it was not completed . And he followed this up by a kind of profession of faith : "He must answer the noble duke by the most solemn assurance that he had nothing so much at heartr-rthatho considered nothing so much his duty- ^ as to maintain inviolate the principles of international law between this and every foreign country . That was the view which , he took of his duty . . It was not his duty to argue the justice or
expediency of the law which foreign princes might-establish in their own dominions , either in their wisdom or in their despotism , hut it was his duty to see whether that law , liberal or despotic , Was fairly carried into execution , so far as regarded Her Majesty ^ sub jects . ' That , ' continued the noble earl , ' is my view of my duty ; and I have endeavoured to carry it out in this particular case . '" The Marquis of Bee ad axbane pointed out how closely the " misconduct" on the part of the Austrian Government had followed the retirement of Lord
Palmerston . Some conversation followed , and Lord CAMPBELii , taking advantage of the admissions respecting the irregularity of our diplomatic relations with , the Court of Rome , made by Lord Malmesbury , strongly insisted on the necessity of a bill to regulate those relations . He declared that the amendment made by their lordships in the Diplomatic Relations with Rome Bill , had caxised many disasters ; that an English Minister at the Court of Rome would be well received , and that he would be able to give the Pope correct information as to the state of opinion in this country and Ireland .
In the House of Lords on Tuesday , Lord Exlenboeottgh vindicated General Godwin from the charge of having delayed % he sailing of the expedition to Rangoon , and applauded the appointment of that officer . The only other speech was a hearty eulogy of the conduct of Dr . Selwyn , Bishop of New Zealand , delivered by the Bishop of Oxford .
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BOOKSELLING QUESTION ; THE ARBITRATION . STRATHEDEN HOUSE . Loud Camtbell , Dr . Milman , and Mr . Grote were , some weeks ago , appointed as arbitrators by the Booksellers' Association to decide between them and tho socalled " undcrscllers" on the freOrtrado in books question . At the meeting referred to none of these undersellers were present ; and Lord Campbell then suggested that another meeting should be arranged , and an opportunity aflbrded them of stating their views . This took place on Monday , and Stratheden House was
again tho scene of tho interview . Lord Campbell , Dr . Milman , and Mr . Groto met the two deputationsthe one from tho Booksellers' Association , consisting of Mr . W . Longman ( tho chairman ) , Mr . Murray , Mr . J . H . Parker ( Oxford ) , Mr . Pickering , Mr . Beilby ( Birmingham ) , Mr . Douglas ( Edinburgh ) , Mr . Taylor ( of Mr . Hatclmrd ' s ) , Mr . R . B . Seolcy , Mr . J . J . Milan , Mr . Rivington , Mr . Bohn , and Mr . S . Low ( secretary to the London Association ); the othors being tho invited representation of tho " undersollers , " consisting of Messrs . Bush , Bickers , W . Tegg , and John Chapman , of London ; Mr . Perrin , of tho firm of Burge and Perrin , of Manchester ; and Mr . Griffin , of Glasgow .
It was understood that the Booksellers' Association would bo hound by tho decision t \ £ which tho « rbitrators arrived ; but , as our readers know , the freetrailers declared their intention of out-facing- any decision , und agitating for open trading , and tho abolition of the Association . Mr . Bickers , Mr . Bush , and Mr . John Chapman laid before Lord Campbell their views , as free-traders . Their arguments wore , that the rights of individuals wore infringed when ' an ossooiation stopped in between purchoflers and sellers to raiso prices ; that regulations framed for the purposo of effecting this wore im-
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Leader (1850-1860), May 22, 1852, page 3, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/cld_22051852/page/3/
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