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700 THE LEADER, [No. 435, July 24, 1858.
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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT. Monday, July 19th. ...
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700 The Leader, [No. 435, July 24, 1858.
700 THE LEADER , [ No . 435 , July 24 , 1858 .
Imperial Parliament. Monday, July 19th. ...
IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT . Monday , July 19 th . THE MA . S 3 ACRK AT JEDDAH . Lord Stratfobd dg Redcljffe , in the House of Lords , called attention to tie late massacre at Jeddah . A . strong spirit of fanaticism has always existed in Turkey , and , though it has been moderated of late years , it still exists to a considerable extent . Whatever might be the disposition « f the Turkish Government , justice , in connexion with the Jeddah massacre , might be expected to move slowly ; and we ought , therefore , to take active steps for obtaining satisfaction , lest any encouragement be given to the murderous spirit of the Mahometan
bigots . He hoped , however , that the rumour of the occupation of Mecca , and of the seizure of precious objects of veneration treasured within its Avails , had no foundation , as such , acts would only increase the hatred of Christians already animating the followers of Mahomet . He wished to know whether her Majesty ' s Government had received any official advices of the massacre at Jeddah ; whether instructions had been issued for d « m « m <* l « 8 r fuI 1 *<» paration from the Porte through the British and French Ministers at Constantinople ; and whether , in case cf wilful delays , adequate measures were to be taken to enforce our just demands . —The Earl of Maumesbukv replied that the necessary steps had been taken to demand immediate redress . There was no
intention of occupying Mecca . He trusted to be able in a few days to state what steps had been taken by the Turkish Pacha already sent to Jeddah , to execute justice on those ( in accordance with the strong remonstrances of her Majesty ' s Government ) who had been concerned in the massacre . The Pacha so sent is armed with power of life and death . It was considered that it would not be necessary to use any force on the part of her Majesty ' s Government to obtain retribution for this horrible massacre . The Turkish Government seems inclined to do its duty in the matter , and has proceeded most energetically up to this moment ; and Sir Henry Bulwer is
convinced that the Pacha will carry out his orders . The great object of her Majesty ' s Government is to maintain the integrity of tfce Turkish Empire , and at the same time to assist and encourage the Sultan in proceeding with measures of reform . Her Majesty ' s Government has no reason to believe that there is any extraordinary fanaticism in any other portion of the Turkish Empire at the present moment , and it is considered that the massacre originated principally in a contest about an Indian ship which wished to change the British nationality and assume the Ottoman , in violation of the allegiance which it owed to the British Government ,
POLITICAL , SERVICES OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND . The Duke of Maryborough moved an address to her Majesty \ vith respect to the special church services of the ; 5 th " of November , 30 th -January , and 29 th of May . He proposed an address to her Majesty requesting that , in substitution for the services in question , there should be some memorial in the Prayer-book of those great deliverances . —After some discussion ( in which the proposal was supported by Lord Dunoannojt , and opposed by Earl Stanhope , Lord Ebukv , and the Earl of Derby ) , the motion was withdrawn . —In . tho Coarse of the brief debate , the Bishop of London expressed a hope tliat they would not continue to mix up their thanksgiving for the commencement of her Majesty ' s reign with the service for the 5 tli of November , which is calculated to embitter their feelings against their Roman Catholic fellow subjects .
SCHOOL TRUSTEES' BILti . Lord Stanlkt of Alj > ehl , ey moved the second reading of this bill . —The Lord Chancellor moved that it be read a second time that day three months . —Lord Cram worth considered that it could be made a most useful measure if their Lordships would give it a second reading . —The Earl of Derby opposed the bill , because it provided that , whatever might be the presumed or proved intention of the founders of schools , and although it should appear to be manifest thut it was intended to exclude Dissenters , and admit no one but Churchmen , Dissenters should be declared qualified to
act as trustees in every case where there was no express provision excluding them . —The Duke of SoMKiisur said that , for one hundred and fifty years , Dissenters had been trustees of schools , and then came a decision to reverse that custom . That ia an unsatisfactory state of the law , and neither the Dissenters nor tho people of England think it satisfactory . He did not , however , say that this bill -would exactly meet the case . —Tho Dulco of Newcastle suggested postponement to allow further consideration of tho subject . —The Lord Chancelloii opposed the proposition for ' postponement . —The amendment was carried , and the bill was accordingly lost .
The House thon -went into Committee on tho Scotland Universities Bill ; and the Joint Stock Companies Bill , was reported as amended . —The Copvuigiit of Designs Dim , also went through committee . GOVERNMENT OP INDIA MM ,. Tho committees on this bill was resumed at VlnusaS-d , which provides that a competitive cxuiuinnfHa ahull take place preparatory to cuicring tlio aeimititic ctir ( n <> : the Indian service . —Tho Earl of IClluni ' . okuuoii
objected to the proposed system of examination , and said tha . t the system hitherto in operation was preferable , because , from the manner in which persons were appointed , they were sure they were gentlemen . Under this clause , the son of a tailor or a grocer might , by being highly crammed , put out the son of a clergyman or country gentleman , who was infinitely more fit for the situation , because the clergyman , or country gentleman might not be able to pay high enough to get that sort of education for his son . The clause -was an act of homage to the mob . It was an enactment that would affect the future efficiency of the Artillery and Engineers , and it was impossible that it should not give the greatest
ofrence to the officers of those corps . Our " moral spirit" would be lowered in India , at a time -when it is most necessary that the demeanour of our officers should be that of gentlemen . The Earl of Derby admitted that the clause as originally introduced was open to objection ; but the cause of objection would ' be removed by an amendment which he intended to propose . He proposed that the -words
which limited and absolutely controlled the power of making a selection should be struck out ; an < l the clause would then provide that a person might enter the Artillery and engineers on undergoing the examination prescribed by the Secretary of State . Why should the son of a tailor or grocer be excluded from a position for which he is qualified ? What a man ' s origin is , is nothing : the question is , what are his qualifications in regard to scientific attainments and moral character ?—The Duke of Somerset thought it was most desirable that young gentlemen in passing through the college at Atldiscombe should pass through a course of militarydiscipline . He thought that Addiscombe , instead of being done away with , ought to be enlarged . Perhaps it was desirable to remove the establishment at Addiscombe to Haileybury , which was a larger building . In his opinion , no one should enter the Indian artillery
without having previously passed through a military college . —Earl Granville saw no advantage in retaining this clause , if the noble Earl ( Derby ) could not tell them what be intended to do with regard to Addiscombe and the native scientific branches of the army . —The Earl of HardwIcke thought the scientific branches of the Indian army must be dealt with in very much the same manner that the scientific branches of the Royal army had been . This clause would do hiore with regard to the former service than had already , been done with Tegard to the latter . —The Duke of Newcastle agreed with the Duke of Somerset that this clause was useless , and thought its natural tendency would be to destroy the college at Addiscombe .- —Lord Moxteagle expressed Iris decided opposition to any proposal which would endanger the continuance of Addiscombe . —The Earl of El-lenborough said he should like to see a
second military college at Haileybury . —Lord Bbougiiton considered it very undesirable that Addiscombe should be done away with ; to which the Eirrl of Derby replied that the clause did not hint at Addiscombe . — On a division , the clause was affirmed by 41 to 34 . Clauses 35 to 51 were also agreed to . The Earl of E 3 LL . ENBOROUOU proposed , in clause 52 , the insertion of -words placing it beyond doubt or question that the expenditure of India should be charged on the revenue of India alone . —The consideration of the clause was postponed for the amendment to be printed . The Earl of Deubv proposed , in clause 53 , the insertion of words with a view to the periodical production before Parliament of statistical information respecting tho moral ami material progress of India . —Tho clause , as amended , was agreed to .
After some discussion on clause 55 , it was agreed to as * amended . The remaining clauses were also agreed to , and the bill was ordered to be reported on the following day . The Navigation Advances ( Iiielajsd ) Bill was read a third time , and passed . Their Lordships adjourned a few minutes before twelve o'clock .
TUB 2 XD TOWER HAMLETS MIL . 1 TIA . In the Housk op Commons , in answer to Mr- Duncomue , General Peel said that Lord Cotnbermero had sent to him a letter from Lord Wilton containing charges against Lieut .-Coloncl Dickson , and had expressed an opinion that the charges were proved by tho evidence . He ( General Peel ) did not come to the same conclusion ; but , considering that the evidence showed that the manner in which the affairs of the regiment were conducted was contrary to regulations , he Wad thought it right to call upon Lieut .-Colonol Dickson to resign . Colonel Dickson had declined to talto this course , claiming to have his case investigated ; and it was therefore intended to appoint a certain muntmr of officers to tako the matter into consideration .
OVEItLANLV MAIL . TO INDI . A . Replying to Mr . Nicoll , General 1 ' kicl , begged to stato that it was tho intention of the Government , in cases of emergency , to adopt tho overland route to India , and ho hoped that nrrnngomonts would bo made to obviate the necessity for sending heavy biiggngo by tho sen route . MICTHOPOI . IS LOCAL MANAOKJIENT ACT AMENDMENT MILL . On tho order fi . r the hocoikI reading of this bill , Sir
public He had always heard expressed an opinion very disadvantageous to them . Lord John Manners complained of the vacillation of the House on this question . A fortnight before , it had called on the Government to settle all the matters at issue in four-and-twenty liours ; and now they were told that it would be better to postpone action . They had not proceeded with undue precipitation , and indeed he knew of no question which had been more thoroughly sifted . Should the House decide that nothing should be done this year , the responsibility of inaction must rest on hon . members ; he repudiated it on the part of the Government . If the work were done , it ought , he conceived , to be undertaken by the municipality already
H . Wiixouohb * objected to entrusting auch ester , ™ ""* powers to a board which was not a representative hort and asked whether the rate was to fall upon the oaST * pier of a house , or the owner , or both . —Mr . Akr ^ objected to the Government guarantee , contendin c tW the snm of three millions -would by no means cover th amount required for the proposed plan , while anotW system , proved to be successful , would cost far less Mr . Lowe compared the plan of the Board of "Worka with that of the Government referees , and gave the nr * . ference to the latter , as more effectual , and ultimately less costly . —Mr . Hbadlam warned the House against banding over the proposed sum to an irresponsible Board
confidence of the ? without some security that it would be properly administered . It would have been better had the Government undertaken the works itself ; and he was sure that the ratepayers would have been better satisfied with such an arrangement . —Mt . Stua . rt Wobtley thought there were many objections to the proposed planj araone others , the danger of diverting a large body of water from the river . Did the Board of Works command the
established as a representative of this great metropolis ; and the expense should be borne by the locality . In reply to Sir H . Willoughby ' s question , Lord John stated that the rate would be a sewers' rate , and what is commonly called a landlord ' s rate . —Mr . Gladstone condemned the handing over of the question to the Board of Works . That Board , though ia theory a representative body , is not palpably so ; and it was a vital point as to who was to be ultimately responsible for the payment of the money , and for any further expenditure beyond the three millions . —Mr . Alderman CuBrrr supported the bill , repeating his suggestion as to the danger of
diminishing the volume of the river . —Mr . Coxingham viewed with considerable alarm the proposition that the metropolis should be handed over to the Metropolitan Board of Works . The sclieine , in his opinion , would fail in its objects . Sir Benjamin Hall said he should vote foi the second reading of the bill , but he called the attention of Lord John Manners to the second clause , to ' which he objected , which enabled the Metropolitan Board of Works to establish outfalls , with deodorizing works , in any part of the metropolitan ar « a .- —Mr . Kendall ¦ was anxious , before-anything was done , that the whole subject should be well considered .- —BIr . Joseph Locke said he had
met with many persons who did not consider the scheme of the Metropolitan Board of Works the best that could be adopted . It was in evidence that deodorization could be carried on upon the banks of the Thames ; and , if this process w « re employed at all , it should be done there . He thought it would be better for the Government simply to guarantee the money , without involving itself in any scheme whatever . —Mr . Henley remarked that that was exactly what the bill did : it gave no indication of any particular scheme ; it only required that the nuisance should be got rid of . For this purpose , the bill disembarrassed the Metropolitan Board of Works from the restrictions which had hitherto hampered tlnir operations . —Mr . Stepmenson supported the bill , ami
said that nothing would effect the desired end but an intercepting system , which could be accommodated to any extension of London . The Metropolitan Board of Works were the fittest persons to have tho carrying out of the proposed plan . —Sir John Shelucv also supported the measure , but agreed with Sir Benjamin Hull in his strictures on tho second clause . —Sir G . C . Lewis assented to the principle of giving the proposed powera to the Board of Works , but objected to tho Government proposing to appoint an inspector , and to incur responsibility for loss in case tho plan turned out unsuccessful . —Mr . John Locke opposed tho bill , which h « pronouncod an incomprehensible measure . —Lord Ehhjng ton also objected to tlio measure , and thought thut tho
State should contribute to the expense of the dnun : ige , and that the Government should have some power in iho nomination , and some control in tho operation , of tho body by whom tho drainage is to be carried out . —Mr . Clay supported the second reading . — Mr . Vvmam moved to defer tho second reading for threa nioiuli- 'i but the motion was not seconded . —Lord Pai . mkkki'on hoped tho llouso would agree to tho second reading of tho . bill , and not prolong tho evils of disease and suitoring caused by imperfect drainage . Those evil * can only bo cured by intercepting aowera ; but it was uuforiuiuito that tho Government should persist in limiting the outfull of the tunnels to a point so near tho metropolis Barking Crcokand that » o lurgu an amount of lurtili'
-, ing matter should ho throw" away . —Mr . Cox en ''' lm knew a large parish which is now drained inw > <<' u river , but which ia entirely outside tho iiiutnipolit- *"
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Leader (1850-1860), July 24, 1858, page 4, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/l/issues/cld_24071858/page/4/
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