On this page
- Departments (2)
-
Text (8)
-
M^ 17^ 851. r ;; THE NMTHKR^ ^?Ai> t-—' ...
-
Central ettimfoal ©ofafc „ .„» >,»„- _. « ^ . .
-
-•he above court resumed its sittings on...
-
DREADFUL LOSSES BY FIRE AT SEA.. Four mo...
-
. Ri6ts;a.t Copenhagen!—Disturbances too...
-
' . ' AbrkstZ 0* Abscondi-vci DfBroEfl.—...
-
^m pmariarUammt
-
Hmw ^^ MONDAY , May 12. presented ft£v °...
Note: This text has been automatically extracted via Optical Character Recognition (OCR) software. The text has not been manually corrected and should not be relied on to be an accurate representation of the item.
-
-
Transcript
-
Note: This text has been automatically extracted via Optical Character Recognition (OCR) software. The text has not been manually corrected and should not be relied on to be an accurate representation of the item.
Additionally, when viewing full transcripts, extracted text may not be in the same order as the original document.
M^ 17^ 851. R ;; The Nmthkr^ ^?Ai> T-—' ...
M ^ 17 ^ 851 . r ;; THE NMTHKR ^ ^? Ai > t- — ' ~ \ - ' , " ''' " Vii '¦!¦ 7 ~ 7 —— — T " ^** - - _ ' ^ " li ' ii ' i ' m ' ' imm » mm ^ ii „ , '
Central Ettimfoal ©Ofafc „ .„» ≫,»„- _. « ^ . .
Central ettimfoal © ofafc „ . „» > , »„ - _ . « ^ . .
-•He Above Court Resumed Its Sittings On...
- he above court resumed its sittings on Monday , proceedings were opened at ten o ' clock by the Kte Hon . the Lord Mayor , the Recorder , Com-** cerffeant , Aldermen Sir C . MarshaU and Law-« ee the Sheriffs , Under Sheriffs , and the other nthorities tf the Clty o { London . It appears by ^ calendar , that there are atpresent 2 I § prisoners ft aScit * Rin , w - CABBUGE .-. Wm . Griffin TOong " of res P ectahIe appearance , surrended to take his trial upon a charge of assaulting -ttaria Palmer . —Mr . Huddlestone , in opening tbe Zset said that the directors of the South-Eastern gjiiWay had felt it their duty to institute this procution on account of the assault imputed to the
se defendant having been committed upon a person in jum ble circumstances , who was at the time a tracer in one of their trains . They felt that a person in such a position was entitled to receive prol eciion from every description of Insnlfc and annoyjjjcc and upon the facts coming to their knowledge , they considered it their duty to take care t hat the matter should be investigated by a jury . — The particulars of the ease having been given in evidence , several highly respectable witnesses were jben examined , all of whom described the defendant as being entitled to tbe character of a wellconducted respectable young man . —The jury returned a verdict of Sot Guilty , and the defendant was discharged .
Robbert op the Brightos Railway . Compast . — Georpe Pearson Barrett , 40 , and Enoch Pearson Barrett , 37 , were indicted for stealing a truss of foods , the property of tbe London , Brighton , and outh Coast Railway Company , and Robert Abbott , 29 , who surrendered to take his trial , was indicted for feloniously receiving a portion of the stolen property , knowing it to have been stolen . The circumstances of the case were reported at the last session , -when the two Barretts were convicted of an offence of a similar character . The evidence went to show that Enoch Barrett was in the service of the London and Brighton Bail way Company , and he was stationed as switchman at the Brickjavera * Arms Junction , and there was very little
doubt that he and his brother George had been concerned in a \ ery extensive system of plundering goods' trains . Abbott , it appeared , was brotherin-law to the other prisoners , and resided at Sew-Eort PagneU , and npon the officer searching his ouse , he found a watch and other articles , the produce of a robbery that had been committed upon the railway in 181 * 3 , and tbe whole of which be subsequently admitted he had received from the prisoner George Barrett .- —The jury found all the prisoners Guilty of feloniously receiving . the property , ont recommended Abbott to the mercy- of the court . —Judgment was deferred , —On Wednesday the prisoners were brought up for judgment , when the two Barretts were sentenced to ten years '
transportation ; and Abbott , who was brother-in law to the prisoner George , and had been convicted of receiving only a small portion of the property and was recommended to mercy by the jury , was sentenced to four months' imprisonment ana hard labour . —Mr . Clarkson said that the company had instructed him to apply to the Court to exercise the power given by the act for granting rewards , and extend it to Sergeant Carpenter , of the R division , for the zeal and ingenuity he had displayed in managing tbe case . —The Recorder said he entirely concurred bVLu the view taken of the sergeant ' s conduct , and , having conferred with the alderman , awarded him £ 5 . . Aweged Assault . —John TattersaH , a 'tall
person , described as an officer of Customs , was charged frith an indecent assault upon a little girl named Amelia Holder . The prosecution took place by the direction of tho Commissioners of Woods and Forests . —Theoccnrrence which formed the subject of inquiry , it appeared , tools place in Kensington Gardens on the afternoon of Saturday the 22 nd March . The prosecutrix , a little girl , twelve years old , was in the gardens with her sister and another girl about her own age and a little boy , and the offence imputed to the defendant was , alleged to have been committed in one of the alcoves . The case mainly depended upon the evidence of a man named Dunn , who was employed , according to his own statement , occasionally as a constable and
occasionally as a gardener , but his story differed in some material respects from that told by the child herself . Upon , cross-examination by Mr . BaUautine this witness also said that be went about the gardens in plain clothes , and that his intention was particularly directed to cases of this description , and he also stated that he had appeared as a witness in support of similar charges at the quarter sessions , and upon two occasions the convictions were quashed , although he had spoken positively to the facts . —Anumber of gentlemen of high cha " - racier spoke to the sound moral' habits of " the accused . —The Recorder , in summing up the case , to the jury , said that undoubtedly the witness Dunn had been contradicted in some of the main points of
his evidence ; and , although he would -not venture an opinion as to the plan that should be pursued ¦ with regard to the oftieers employed in the gardens , he certainly did think it strange , that they should be allowed to go about in plain clothes , instead of appearing in sufficient numbers in uniform to act as a protection to the persons frequenting the place . — The jury almost immediately returned a verdict of Not Goi ' lty , and they added , that they could not place any reliance upon the testimony of the witness Dunn , and considered him an improper person to be retained in bis present- capacity . A second indictment charging Mr . TattersaH with committing a similar offence upon a child named Ellen Baldwin , was disposed of in the same manner .
The court was occupied a considerable time in trying prisoners for passing bad coin , for which class of offence there were no less than twenty-nine persons indicted this session .. The modes in which the utterings had been effected were of the usual Character , and the evidence adduced proved that a great number of bad sovereigns and half-sovereigns are in circulation , " and in nearly every instance , although the prisoners were apparently not known to each other , the coins bad come from the same mould , and all very cleverly executed . It may serve as a caution to mention that the plan most generally adopted with the imitative gold was by going in couplesa » d asking for change , for a good coin , and then ringing the changes , and in . some instances one of the gang would enter the shop as a stranger , and whilst the change was being gir <» n ask for soma trifling article on purpose to divert attention , or present the capture of the party if detected .
Dock Bobbbbt . —James Bary , 30 , labourer , was indicted for stealing 81 bs . weight of indigo , the property of the East and West India-Dock Company , his master ' s : —Mr . Ballantinesaid he could not deny the facts , and advised the prisoner to retract his plea and plead guilty , whicb -he did , and it was then proved'that prisoner had hitherto borne an excellent character , and-had '* - 'wife--and eight children . —The Recorder , in oassing senfenee , said the only reason that should induce him to pass : a lenient sentence on the prisoner" was his previous good character , and the supposition that this was a single offence ; ' bnt stBl his offence ( as servant io a public company ) was a bad one . He was sentenced to four months' imprisonment and hard labour . .. . "
Bcrglaht . —Daniel Connell , 19 , was indicted for a burglary in the dwelling-house of Samel Goss . — It appeared that the prosecutor resided in HerhErtatreet , Uoxton , and that on the ni ght of the 13 th of April all the family had gone to rest , leaving the premises * properly secured . About half-pass two o ' clock" 6 h the following morning , a servant girl , named Elizabeth Wimble , who slept ia the front kitchen , was alarmed by seeing a man in the room with a light , and in the act of ransacking a box . * She had the courase and presence of mind however to remain perfectly quiet until the man went out of the kitchen , and proceeded np stairs , when she immediately got-up and ran to the-front door , which she opened and gave ah alarm , the consequence of which was that theprisoner was taken-intocustody as he was in tbe act of escaping from the premises by jumping over tbe garden walL—The jury returned a verdict of Guily , and the pr isoner was sentenced to be transported for seven years .
Kimso a Loxaiic *—Samuel RUl was placediat the bar to receive the judgment of the court . 'j It will be remembered that tie prisoner , who was que oftbekeepers-in a lunatic asylum , was convicted at a recent session of causing the death of one ] of the patients by violence . Baron Alderaon said , ; in Passing sentence , that the prisoner had been con- ; victed of the manslaughter of ohe of the patients ik a lunatic asylum , one of the principal wifne .- < 5 es against him being " an' unfortunate inmate of the est ablishment ** and a point " of law bad been ( reserved for the bohsideration ' of the Court of Appeal , whether a person in such a situation was a competent witness . The pointhad received full consideration , and the judges were ' clearly of opinion that tlus persoh'had been' properly examined as a witness , and that the Only question was ,, whether the 8 tatemeutmade by the witness was of such a
chafacter as would justify the jury : in coming to the conclusion that he was giving a correct account of the transaction ; and So -the present instance the jnryhad come to that conclusion , and he believed "ttt the learned judge who tried the case entirely oaenrred With theiri in that opinion * He was now , therefore , to receive the judgment of the court for avery serious' offence—that of , having , " while engaged as a keeper : < nd having the charge _ of _ luba"c ** , caused the death of one of tLem-by - iarproper 4 n * i unnecessary violence . ' Instead of resorting to violence he ought to have been restrained by a ctmstderation of the melancholy position of these in .-* UI , U ? persons from adopting any such proceedings , ar * d although it was probable that he miaht have Reived some provocation from the wretched man * ho had met his death at his hands , it was not any excuse for his conduct ; and , instead of being angry * t what be did , be ought to have recollected his un-
-•He Above Court Resumed Its Sittings On...
happy state , arm that he was ' iiot aware what be was doing , and thereiWe his proceeding ought not to have occasioned any more resentment in the breast of a Christian and humane man , than if it had been the act Of a child . The learned judge then sentenced the prisoner to be kept to hard labour for twelve months , from the date of his conviction . ¦ Foegert . —Thomas Reed , 35 , wine-merchant , was indicted for feloniously forging an acceptance to a bill of exchange for £ 35 4 s . 6 d ., with intent to defraud John Symmons . —Mr . Symmons , the prosecutor , deposed that he carried on the business of a wine-merchant , under the firm of Symmonds and Son , in Fenchurch-street . Their firm had been in . .. :
the habit of doing business with Messrs . Reed and Co ., wine-merchants , at Bath . On tbe 2 nd of April tbe prisoner introduced himself to him as Mr . Thomas Reed , a member of the firm , and believing him to be that gentleman they entered into a transaction for the purchase by the prisoner of twelve dozen of champagne on account of the Bath firm . At this time there was a balance of about £ 8 due from Messrs . Reed , and the prisoner requested him to draw a bill of exchange for that sum , and alse for the value of the champagne , and he did so , and sent the bill and a delivery order for the champagne to So . 28 , Bloomsbury . streei ; , and indue course of post the bill came back , bearing tbe acceptance of " Thomas Reed , iun . " He had seen
Mr . Thomas Reed of the Bath firm on previous occasions , and the prisoner resembled him so much that he had no doubt when be saw him in the counting-house that he was that gentleman . —Mr . Thomas Reed deposed that he carried on business as a wine-merchant at Bath . The prisoner was bis twin brother , and his name was William . He had been a member of the firm for some time , but the partnership was dissolved about four years ago , aud he had no authority to accept any bills or account of the firm since that period" The bill no w produced was aforgery , and he had no doubt that theacceptance was in the hand writing of the prisoner . — Baron Alderson then summed up , and after the jury bad deliberated for a short time the foreman said
that tbe majority of the jury wera of opinion that the evidence was not sufficient , and the others had yielded to that opinion , and therefore they -found the prisoner Not Guilty . —The learned Judge told the jury that their verdict must be unanimous . — Mr . Parry said that the verdict had been recorded , and therefore it was too late for the jury to recon « sider the subject . —Mr . Cooper said there was a second charge against the prisoner , which he proposed to proceed with . —The prisoner was accordingly charged upon another indictment with forging an acceptance to a bill of exchange for £ 5114 s . 4 d . with intent to defraud the same prosecutor . —The circumstances of the case were precisely similar to those of the former . The prisoner went to Mr . Symmons ' s counting-house on the 5 th April and purchased twenty-seven dozen of champagne ,
representing that it was for the firm of Reed and Co ., of Bath , and a bill was drawn for the amount , which was accepted in the same form as the one in the other case , and the prisoner ' s brother deposed that he believed the acceptance to be in the hand ; writing of the prisoner . —Mr . Parry againaddressed the jury , and contended that there was no . more evidence in this case than there was . in the former , and that after the verdict they had given . in refer rence to the former charge , ' they would be stultify-: ing themselves if they came to a different conclusion with regard to this second charge . —Mr . Justice Talfourd having summed up , —the jury deliberated a short time in the box , and then stated they were not likely to agree and wished to retire . . They left the court at half-past four o ' clock . —Shortly after six they returned , and again gave a verdict Not Guilty . '* . .. ' . ' :.
Dreadful Losses By Fire At Sea.. Four Mo...
DREADFUL LOSSES BY FIRE AT SEA . . Four most distressing losses . by . fire-hare been announced on the books at Lloyd ' s , involving , as may be supposed , destruction of property to ' an enormous extent ; but it is gratifying-to observe that the- whole of the unfortunate crews belonging to the four-ill-fated vessels saved themselves by means of the -boats . Strange ; to say , the whole of the losses are reported to have arisen from epontaneouscombustion , and the circumstances are consequently of much importance to : the shipping interest . Thefirston thelistis that oftheSt . Clair ,-a fine newly-built ship , 'belonging : to- Liverpool , nearly 750 tons burden , chartered- to ; take coals
out by the Peninsular and ' Oriental-Mail Steampacket- Company to India . The ship . was bound for Bombay ,: and every precaution appeared to have been taken ,-by means of air pipesi - to , carry off any foul damp that might be generated among the . coals , as they bave been- knovea-to do in long voyages ; notwithstanding ,: however , whom- the ship had arrived in lat ; T < N ; long .-74 56 E , about the 4 th of February , smoke was found ' issuing , from below , and- ' upon examination being-made it proved to emanate from the coals . -All hands were set to work to forage out thelocalitywheretne danger existed 'by- removing -the cargo , but , iowiog , to the smekeand suffocating sulphurous heat that issued forth ,- ' the mea were -unable to remain below .
Water was then thrown down , in'torrents , which was continued : for several days , but without producing the slightest effect . The smoke and heat rapidly- increased . -On the 19 th ¦ it was ascertained that the Whole of the - cargo in the hold was one flaming . iiass , and -not a moment was to be lost in launching the boats , and saving all the water -and provisions that could be got 'at , and this having been accomplished , the crew and officers embarked and abandoned the ship . In a short time after she bnrst-into "" fiarnes and wfts-qatckly burnt to the water ' s edge . - Her . crew-were exposed in the boats
eight-days and sights , but at length succeeded in reaching the -Malabar coast' in safety ; The second loss is that of the barque Rosiland , 450 tons burden ; 'belonging to London , with = coals ; from 'Newcastle forAden . On herarrival off the coast of Sbcatre , the crew were ^ alarmed at finding the cargo was on fire . La vain they endeavoured to save the vessel from destruction , and resorted- to every scheme to arrest the progress of the fire . ' It was all to no purpose , and on the fourteenth : day it became dangerous to remain -by the ship ,: her decks being burnt -almost-through , and the men took to the boats and * -left her . It is needless to add that
tbe ship was totally destroyed . The third loss was the ship Ganges , a large barque , formerly a steamer belonging to the Hon . East India Company . It took place on the night of the 14 th of March , while on a voyage to Penang from Madras . To the same -cause-is attributable the fire ' s origin as in the preceding wreck . The fourth is the Caroline , a West Indiaman , belonging to the port of Bristol , and is described as a very heavy loss ; She left Toba . so on the flth'of April , laden .- with a cargo of ram and sugar , and arrived safely off St . Kite's . On the 15 th she proceeded on her voyage ,-having a fair wind > when about half-past one o ' clock on tbe afternoon of the following day ) smoke was seen issuing from the forecastle tbroni ; h the bulk-heads
irom the cargo below . Instant steps were taken to allay the fire , but . such was the amazing rapidity of the flames that the crew , consisting of twenty men , hadscarcely time to escape , and this they were compelled to do in the clothes they were in at the rime ,, and it was almost b y superhuman exertions they secured-a'canister of bread and two small casksof water .: The boats were launched , and the men * jumped-intojthem ,- trusting-to . providence . When within a , few yards of the ill-fated ship her deck blew ujrwith terrific violence ,. 'and her destruction followed speedily . They remained by her
until she went down .- This took place at about nine o ' clock at night ; Next morning the crew descried a . sloop , aud succeeded in attracting her attention tt > '<* their condition ; The vessel . came and . picked them ; up . and-, conveyed them . "tO- St ; -Thomas ' s , where they were taken on board the Great ' . Western steam-ship , -for "Southampton . 'The . Caroline was . 450 tons burden ; and belonged to Mr . Cunningham-, merchant , Bristol . ' The master in i his report of her toss , says , the * - « * fire - arose - from combustion among the cargo . , The ram'was nineteen overproof . . The whole of the vessels were reported to have been insured in various London offices .
. Ri6ts;A.T Copenhagen!—Disturbances Too...
. Ri 6 ts ; a . t Copenhagen!—Disturbances took place at . Copenha ^ eu ' in . the eveuing ' . ' of / lbe 4 th : ' . Bitter enmity has . always existed : between the Germans . and clie Danes , " and it . has been increased by . the -war in ScbWswig * Two Danish sailors ,. on passing the shop of a Prussian brush maker ,, threw , stojues at . thei windawkjaudbroke" fivesquares . " . "The : tradesman j aided by hfe workmen , seized them , and dragged thenVj intb the shop ., There the sailors , . offered-to pay , the ! da--matte ,, but . the'tradesman said ihey deserved to be pttuithed , auu sent for " the guaro . j , The soldiers took off the sailors , in . custody . But a , ' erowd ' : assemb ! ed before the house , and , cried , * i Down with , the Ger mansi "down" with . the enemies . of the country ! away wtth . the barbarians , ! " -rand about , twenty . men , entered , tlieshop , gave the Prussian a , severe beating , aMemashedjeverythin §' they _ c 6 uld : lay bands on . Another crowd . followed , the . isailors ,, and made ,
frequent attempts to deliver them . The . prisoners , how , r evetj were lodgedin the lock-up , butthecrowdmade an attack on it , and . diir ^ garded the summons of the , orBcerofthegnard to disperse ,, At last the . officer orderedihismento present their muskets , bat as the crowd still refused iogo . away ; he gave , the _ brder to fire . ? Only six soldiers obeyed , . and five men were wounded . The people then slowly dispersed . The crowd who had assembled before the Prussian ' s shop took him to prisi'n . Although there was ho charge against hiin he was locked up , to prevent more injury . from being done him ; but he was ; shortly after getatliberty . . ... . * , "¦ ..-. / .-. -. ; -. - ¦ . - CosiiMN Lodging Houses . —On .. Saturday , last a b ' iil-iu the House of Commons , was . printed , for the well-ordering c-f common , lodging house * . , . The object of the bill is to place under . the policecommcn 1 v « Hn * houses , with regard to the cle-mhness . ventihilion , & c , as aJso to remedy contagious diseases . The bill was brought forward by Lord Ashley .
. Ri6ts;A.T Copenhagen!—Disturbances Too...
RIGHTS OF LABOUR . Mr . §* rau ^ l Kydd delivered the second of a course of lecture , ? at the London Mechanics' Institution , Southaiiiptcu ' -huildings , Chancery-lane , on Monday evening . At t £ e commencement he challenged discussion , and ofleved the most liberal opportunities to his opponents . The lecturer commenced by stating that the quest ion of Free-trade was not as his opponents asserted , a settled question ; if it was , it wag one in which the Working classes had not a voice , and therefore it was not binding upon them . He ventured to controvert many of the doctrines laid down by Adam Smith , and quoted many texts from that author , showing their incorrectness and inconsistency . The
assertion ho made tbe previous erening—that poverty had increased—had been disputed , and a particular reference made to Manchester . , Mr . Kydd then showed , that although the wealth of Manchester had increased to an enormous extent , that poverty bad increased in more than a relative proportion , showing by statistics that his views were correct . The duration of life was a good test of the comforts enjoyed by any class . The average duration of life in Manchester wasse venteen years for the working class thirty-four years for the middle , and from forty-one to forty-three for the aristocratic class . If men had sufficient food , and were well cared for , death would not knock three times at tho poor man's door for once at the rich man ' s . No man
professing to be either a Christian or a philanthropist could , with consistency , advocate a system which produced sush results . His opponents had pointed out to his attention , the state of prosperity in . the manufacturing districts . He was aware that in the wollen districts a considerable amount of trade was being done ; but against this he would place the situaton of . the journeymen tailors and shoemakers of London—the condition of other large bodies of men—and also that , of the Agricultural labourers . A great amount of production was no test of prosperity , unless the people could purchase those production ' s ; when hats , shoes , dj 0 „ wera most abundant ,, those who produced them were in tbe greatest distress . Let Political
Economists show why this ought to be . He then gave extracts from John Stuart Mills , and a mind of a very opposite order , Thomas Carlyle , proving that machinery , as carried out in the . doctrines of the Fre-trade school , had never yet produced any results beneficial to the working man . No class bad any right to . property , unless that property was amenable to the poverty which the exercise ' of their privileges had created . He then gave extracts from Moses , Lycurgus , Solon , down to . Paley and Smith , all acknowledging the great doctrines that a" man had ho , right to do whatheliked with his Own when , the . exercise of that right was opposed to justice , ' and injurious to the general interests of society : No man had
emmciated this doctrine in stronger terms than Adam Smith , hut this was a portion of his writings which Cpbden , and men of that , school iever quoted , or acted upon . The manufacturers of this country said they were in favour of . unlimited free trade . In the time of Adam Smith they were the advocates of monopoly , and , as such , . were hardly castigated by him , ; but now circumstances were chanced ; machinery had enabled tb ' em to supersede" the use- ofman , and to set iron against his weaker nerves , and women and children as a rival even to this gigantic power . B y these means they had been able to undersell all opponents , ' and thus , ' free trade . becoming more , beneficial to . their interests , they . ceaaed to be advocates of monopoly ,, and vfere for unlimited , or free action ,. ' ¦ Buy cheap and sell
dear , was one of the shabbiest and most immoral doctrines . . ever promulgated , notwithstanding the authorities brought to support it . He . " then , logicallv . demonstrated the truth of , bis assertion , and challenged any contradiction , . or , any , proof of sophism to be shown . in the : . argument he advanced . Free trade , though injurious to the majority , of . artisans and labourers , was a benefit to : the propertied classes , to fundholders , and all . who lived on fixed incomes ; but ; to other classes' cheap , cheap , meant cheat , cheat . He then referred to his experience oftheshoemakinotradein Northampton , . and the manner in' which . they . were enabled to compete with the : Freach manufacturer , and showed that its results lowered , not only the price of labour to the
English . butalso . tothe , French shoemaker . They were told that there was a mystery in this question . of home and international trade , which the working man could not fathom ' . . Re denied that assertion . The shoemaker was the very man that understood the whole of the mystery , of the shoe trade ; the joiner , the batter , the glover ,: the matchmaker , Ac .,-were the very men . who best understood the essential principles . relative . to those trades . J Some men thougbtthat be argued the question on , narrow , grounds ,,:.. He denie , d ,, this .,,,. If . protection to native industry , meant that we , should refuse to receive ^ foreign , corn ,., and uphold ; , the ,. monopoly of the landlords , he . was -its ,, determined ., opponenti : but ; jthey needed . not . corn , from " other
lands / while , millions of acres . of fertile land were lying waste in this country , and in Ireland ., Men professing great logical . acumen , and looking down with contempt upon ; the ; plain reason of working men , dogmatically asserted that if tbe land was not cultivated it was because ltdid not pay to . cultivate it . The lecturer , amid great . cheering , showed that it ' . was miserable legislation , and the complete rending of the ties , . that should unite society together , which caused this land not to be profitable , and not any inherent quality , in the , land itself . . * Land belonged to tho human race ; no man could create a world ,- or even a rood . of ; land ; and therefore he could not become Us proprietor . In a natural state , the game , the beasts , and the . fruits were the first
capita ) , and Nature was no niggard of these ; but they were told that , burs was an . artificial , state of society , and that labpur . was . now useless without capital , and consequently . dependent , upon it . The fallacy of thisview was ably . demonstrated , and the doctrine of mutual dependence logically established . He did not profess to be the advocate of a perfect system of economy , but he did assert that our present system was not a , science , but a heap of incongruous principles . utterly repugnant to the best interests of humanity . He was not opposed to the principles of Liberty , Equality , and Fraternity , but in his heart , he believed that thebest way to attain them was to look -first to the interests of , their own households and , their o . wn . country , and then extend
their hands in fellowshipto other lands . De denied that foreign was . superior to home trade ; he denied that they should import . com whilst their own lands wereiuncultivated . , ¦ The . eeonomists told them that foreign trade was necessary , ; because , the artisans of this country bad . not the . means to - . purchase the goods they created . Let them , then , set . about discovering the means by which they would ; be enabled tomakecustomers of their own . population .. A restriction of the . Lours of labour-would cause a demand for a greater number of labourers .. They did not need more work done , they , pnlyjieeded that the workaowdoneshould . be distributed amongst . tbe whole and not a part of the people . He then showed that government could and did interfere in questions
relative to ,. what was termed private . property , but refused to ; interfere in , that most important of all . questions the Labour Question . He thus criticised some of the late speeches of Graham and other orators of the Rouse of Commons upon this subject . The man fit to . control the destinies of this country would be the man who would' make machinery the helpmate and not the rod of correction to . the working man .. He was as much in favour ; oft Unfa versal Suffrage as any man ; it was , their , right , and they must achieve its . possession . But beneath the political ; lay the soeial . question still deeper ; and ! of more vital . importance 5 . men like Cqbden , . Bright ; aye and the , bulk . of ; the ; parliamentary reformers , either did not understand the question , or feared it would damage thoir interests , to lay . bare its truthful . hearings , and consequently they were not tberoen into whose hands , should be entrusted the . destiny of the people .. Theywere . erecting a monument Ito
the memory of : Sir Robert Peel ,, as the champion and consummates of ihe . doetrine of- Free Tradethey had built a palace ' of : glasa , * r in which to enshrine , the . principle , —nevertheless , ihe , ventured to prophesy that in ten years time , the . doctrine of free action and unlimited "! competition would be repudiated , ; and the . principle of , regulation and mutual dependence , enshrined in its stead . The lecturer then adverted to the absence ; of his opponents , who / were so tongue-valiant ; on . tho previous Monday , and declared bis readiness ; at . any timej to meet < and combat the . docirine * of-. 'Free , Trade and unlimited competition . internally , and . internationally ; and . concluded , by ' a burst of impassioned , eloquence , / . which called forth from the audience loud and prolonged applause .- ; . ,., ; , ; •¦ ¦ : ¦ . .- . j ' . Many friends -have requested Mr ; Kyda ^ to publish these lectures , and we believe itis his intSntion to comply with the request . 1 . . ' . V-. '
' . ' Abrkstz 0* Abscondi-Vci Dfbroefl.—...
' . ' AbrkstZ 0 * Abscondi-vci DfBroEfl . —A . bill , has been printod ,, by , order of the " House of Lords , brougbtforw ' ard by / the Earl qniarrowby ,, to . facilitate the ! more . speedy , arrest .. of absconding debtors . ' ; , tt is .. proposed , to , ' , gfve authority , to the commissioners of ' baukriiptcyaud judges of county courtsto " issuewarrants forthe . arrest of absconding debtors . ' / The / writs ' , of capias Mm , the , 8 up _ erior cburte are to issue , thereupon . , Tbe warrant w ; to b ' eauxajaryH ' Oj Such ' writ of . capias , and persons s o arrested mav aD » ly .. t 6 a . iudge . of one , of the su _ -
peri ' or . cbcrts to be discharged , , ' ^ n tho . payment of the debt and costs * the party arrested to . be discharged . In cage it should app ' eaur to / the satisfaction of aljui-y m , any . actibn . ' brought ' fpr false imr pfiaontueut undera . warraht autlicrised . to be wsued . that such imprisonment . was niali ^ ibuSjOr that there was no probable / cause ' of . action , then the . warrant and the writ of capias' issued thereon shall in either iif such . case ' s jOe bo ' ground of justificstion , to , the person at whose suit the sarn ? shali ' liave been' issued . ' Certain fee ' s are' tb be ' payawe , bttt none in the Court of Bankruptcy . Son » forms tft be ubo « are given in a schedule to , the . bill .
^M Pmariaruammt
^ m pmariarUammt
Hmw ^^ Monday , May 12. Presented Ft£V °...
Hmw ^^ MONDAY , May 12 . presented ft £ v ° R S --The EmI of Glenoall county of Tlnet l ° ° H Grand Jar * ° the made aBain , Ti ' - r 7 , gray ^ 2 for P ^^ ction for home SffiiBe » l mmfl 0 Ur- Thenofie'Mrl . ' aftefft bea orthS- . ffhich have been b ™& t to S ^^ io ^ fthS Sf' ^^^ y ^ mhslLon . baZS ^ S ^ - would be «« tf « ctive of all the dominmnifli theC 0 , f ^ and tha t under its fatal be ofnSe 6 ' thatSki 11 and ener ey woul ( 1 IrSllLi ^ tlE ' ' ^ " ^ he admitted that the thoseTuffSfS ¦ 7 e , 'e 8 ^™ g stress , denied that S * "ngs were caused by free ' trade . He at-Wteiy . Deen introduced in th fi r . / W . crr ., . ??„„ „ t- ~ .: n .
KB ^ SLW * y a ' * rite , 1 "P it , u sufferea ' whiie those who had the command of capital prospered . In conclusion , he declared that the government would ^ i ^ -l 6 ^ t 0 ? nter foily into the question , as soon AteXZc ^^^ defiQitive Pr ° p 08 i - wh 1 ch di 8 CaSSi 0 a ° C 0 Dsid 8 rabI * 3 leo & h followed , in The . Earls of Malmesbuuy , Hardwicke , and LUCAN , and the Marquis of ClanricarDE and the w , ^ joined . The subject then dropped . ihe Church Buildings Acts Amendment Bill was ordered to be referred to a select committee , and their lordships adiourned .
. HOUSE OF COMMONS .-Papal Aggression . —Un the order of the day that the Speaker do leave tbe chair , ongoing into ,. committee upon the Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption Bill , " . "' 1 ^ V- ' h v ° S !? i , lt , 3 r P Q 8 ed ah objection of form , that Lu beeh . introduced without a" compliance with the standing order , which , requires that no bill relating to reliaion , or , for altering the laws Concerning religion , shall be brought Into the house until the proposition shallhave been first considered in a committee of the . whole house , and agreed to by the house . He argued , that the bill applied not only to temporal incidents , but . to vital and essential
points of religion , and therefore fell within the purview of the standing order . ; : Sir ( J . Gr-ey said , the question had not come by surprise upon her . Majesty ' s government , who , after mature consideration of the subject , and taking the opjnion . of the Chair , had come to the conclusion , from the nature of the bill , which did not , interfere with religion , and . from precedents , that the preliminary form of a committee . " was unnecessary . Bills affecting spiritual functions of the Roman Catholic Church had been introduced and passed without such preliminary form , , Tho objection , moreover came too late . , .,:
, Mr . Roebuck sustained the objection , contending that the provisions of the bill , as first introduced , went directly to alter the . laws affecting religion . The Speaker said ,- the question was one of some difficulty , there being no direct authority for the interpretation of the-terms- ' . ' relating to religion , " , and " the laws concerning religion , " hut ,, as far as he could collect ; from the different interpretations put upon those terms by the house , arid from the course which had been followed in various . bills , he . was inclined : to think that itiwas not . necessary for any bill to originate in a committee of the whole house , unless it . related not merely to the . legal incidents , but to the spiritualities of religion . The Speaker referred to precedents in support of this opinion , and in conclusion stated that , under , the circumstances , looking at the provisions of this bill * he adhered , to , the . opinion he had first formed , that it was not one which it was necessary to introduce through a committee of the whole house .: , i .. v ., i - , .- ; .,. :-. i » - ., >*>
. Mr . jM . Gibson . differed from , the Speaker , thinking that at least considerable doubt . existed upon the subject . ; The case should be formally drawn up * and submitted to the chair , and he-suggested that a select committee should be appointed to examine precedents , and report their opinion . ' . After a fervid attack upon the bill by Mr , GlUTTAN , ' - , . . . . > , - ' Mr . Rey . volds moved-that ; the debate be adjourned ; ¦ , „ -:-V | i- ' .-. . , , Mr . KEOGH . cited the opinion- of certain eminent legal authorities , that the bill , in its- original . state , with the expunged clauses , would render it illegal for any Roman Catholic prelate to exercise his official functions as archbishop or bishop of any province ' or see in the United Kingdom , although such functions were merely episcopal and .-spiritualj and . had no reference whatever to any temporal rights or authority . He , therefore , insisted that the bill came ; within the standing order . ¦ , :.. ¦ -. ¦;; ,.-.
The Sol * iciiok-Gekbral considered that the terra " religion "in the standing order referred to faith and doctrine ; ; not ' to ecclesiastical management , superintendence , or : jurisdiction , ' and : this bill did not affect faith and'doctrine orispiritualities of any kind . The spiritual , functions of Roman Catholic prelates did not depend upon'their titles . Besides , it was clear that the . faith and doctrine referred to in the standing order ; were . those of- the established religion of the country , with which this bill did not profess tetamper . i ; > ¦ .:. ¦ ¦ * . . . ,, ! . , . .
Mr . Gladstone was prepared to support a motion * ; for tlie ' apooiutment of a select committee , because all must admit that the precedents were eminently unsatisfactory , and , although , the labours of the committee might ; lead to the conolusion'that there was no reason to interfere with the progress of this bill , they would . 'afford a most valuable guide for . the future * . There was some colour for the pro : position of the Solicitor-General , that the true meaning of the term " religion " in the standing order ; was , , 'hot reliidon'in general , but the established religion of the country ; He leant to-that
construction ; but- the course' of ^ precedents appji- ' cable to that construction was by no means decisiv . e . The Solipitor-GeheraVhad argued that bills affecting injuriously { the securities of the , ' Established-Church should -be introduced through a preliminary committee . fThe 1 house had then to decide whether a billtending to-strengthen those : securities should conform to the order or not . - This bill was intended to strengthen . the established "religion- of the country , and he thought the-rule ought to- apply both ways ; . . ; . / , . Mr . Sadleir disputed some of the positions of the Solicitor-General .- . . ;
: Lord J . Russell thought there was no ground for referring the questionto a'Select Committee , which must leave it eventually to the decision of the house —theproper , tribunal . •¦ . ' ¦ ! ' : . - Mr . Bright said , . the bill- distinctly referred to the Church of England , andits very object was to strengthen and secure the prelates : of- that- church in their dignities and offices ; , As ' there were doubts upon ; the subject the government should concede the committee . . ' ,.., ¦• :, v .. > - ¦; . ' . ' .... ,..: ;• . . . '' The house divided ,, when the ; adjournment of the debate was negatived by . 178 to 53 .. ; .. , ! Mr . Lawless then moved , the adjournment of the
house ; but , upon -a ; further-division , . this motion was negatived hy : I 45 to 3 d . , ; : ' Mr . "M . J . O ' . CoNNRixspoke in opposition to the bill , and to all ' legislation , until : the Popo should assume temporal or civil jurisdiction . If thcChurch of England were assailed . let her defend herself . . . , - Mr .-UR qpiiABr repeatedhis former argument that the law or practice of nations had not been violated by the act of the Pope , which should have been resisted by diplomatic-aorion . YHebelieved that the Pope was ; not- a . free agent t ; that he was ; acting under the influence of . others , into whose , hands the government hadbeen playing by their discreditable and disgraceful conduct ., , : : ; , : ¦ . ;
; Mr . Keogh asked , if ; the bill . was . only . the complementof the act of 1829 , why was it not strictly iconfined to England ? ¦ . Woujd . the goverament give a pledge that it ivould not be , put in . force in Ire-, . land ? . ; . ! f not ,: It : was a . .. departure ; from . the aot : of 1829 ,-from w . hjchthecnacting part of the bill , ; in conjunction , with .. the / . -preamb . le , differed - tm / spirit and in letter .,-The preamble of the bill , he affirmed , contained three : . distinct / and admitted , falsehoods , introduced to , mystify English . gentlemen . * : The noble lord had withdrawn ^ the / second , and . third clauses . because hewould notfetter , the spiritual functions of the Irish Roman Catholic prelates , whereas the effect pfthose . clausesremained . bperarative . in , the- „ fir 8 t clause , , and iwould repeat - ihe
Charitable * Bequeste Act . vThe : government ; : had alleged th ^ t . the act of the Pope was a direct , insult to the ( Protestant feeling , of England ; . , but / 202 members ofthathouse ^ badra-ffirmea . that that apt had been encouraged ,. as . it bad been by : the goyernment .. He himself had . seen ; the British . . Consulate atrllome illununated ; WbenuJCatdinal : Wiseman was created Archbishop . of . iffeatniinster . . The proposed exemption , oftjieprelates . , bf the . Scottish . Episcopal C . harcb , / . showed 1 that .. thisbill was . aimed , solely against-the "ftamanCiitholio religion-. , .-. . ' «„ ,- , Lord . J . Rosskll repliecTjto Mr .-Keogh , observing that . since trig . actof ' 1829 ' t , he spiritual . functions of Roman .. . thQlic . , bishops , bad . been exorcised . ; ' it could not , therefore , be pretefiderl .:-pliafc / this ' liiij , . which . applied , its , previsions ;; to- England , " \ would prevent their-. exercise . ' . .. It-, ought not . to . ; be the policycf . any ^ Governirlent to seek out offences for
the purpose of prosecution . ; -, but . whon " a : persoh came , here clothed with . authority from . the Pope ; declaring that he Jiiad beenple . asedijto , divide this country into diocesesand- to . abolish . the Arch [ ^' . ? MP ? J of Canterbury , , asserting aright > to rule and . govern ' Englarid , ^ -this vras ' not aqtiiefc . exerclsc . ' of religious , functions / or ' . e ' veh . a vibiatioii of themere . leDio ^ defiance of the' . SovevoigtitySof the' Crown , ' which p ^ W t /' cpuldi'ri . Qt t ' qleratiC ' and / an ; 6 tTehce against the" indep ' endehce , of ' , th ' e . hatwd . '' . He knew not what miirh ' t . b . e '' ; th ' e . cobsequ 6 hce'if ,-. by .. giv ^ hg > yay to a notion" that . civit arid religibu s liberty was infringed , ' we sacrificed / tlia ' t independence , or cxohatiged bur ' national freedom ' for the . kmdo freligipus / . liberty enjoyed' ^ at '' R 6 ineV There . "was nothing like perseeutioii in ' tViis-liiU '; it was si political measure directed against a political act ; the people of this country nev . er would suSer . the name
Hmw ^^ Monday , May 12. Presented Ft£V °...
of religious liberty to be prostituted to cover a a foreign aggression . ¦ - - Mr . Bright said , no human being had yet laid his finger on the particular wound supposed to he inflicted by the Pope , or had suggested a remedy it there were a wound . No lawyer had given a . logical definition of what was the matter with us . it had been admitted that the law of 1 S 2 Q had not been broken ; why , then , should there be a more stringent law for Ireland ? Ho acknowledged that offensive hnguage had been used , but priests in power wore prone to use offensive language . Ho denied that there had been any attack upon the supremacy of tho Crown in the souse in which tho term had been used by Lord John Russell ; tho only supremacy recognised in this country was that of Parliament and the law . He justified tho substitution of
bishops in ordinary for vicars-apostolic , which was calculated to relievo the Roman Catholics of England from ultramontane influence ; and as to the attack upon the independence of tho nation , it was a matter too ludicrous to discuss . This was now to be treated as a political question , but tho hill would pc-t touch tho Pope or Cardinal Wiseman ; it would injure only the government and the Legislature of England . The noble lord had got into a quagmire , and he ( i \ fr . Bright ) proposed that this bill , which nobody liked but himself , should be withdrawn—a bill which would sow discord between England and Ireland , and would never have been introduced if all its consequences had been foreseen . Mr , Scully moved that the debate be adjourned ; but tho motion was negatived by 305 to Si . A motion being then made for the adjournment of the house ,
Lord J . Rosskll gave way , and the debate was adjourned until Thursday . The Property Tax Bill was read a third time and passed . The other orders and motions having been disposed of the house adjourned at a quarter before two o ' clock . TUESDAY , May 13 . BOUSE OFLORDS . — Marriages { Lvdh ) Bill .-Lord Brouohton moved tho second reading of this bill . Legislation on this subject had been recommended by Sir C . Robinson , Sir Samuel Romilly , and more recently by Lord Campbell and the present Lord Chancellor . A commission had been
appointed to mquiremto the subject , consisting of the late Recorder of London , the late Lord Advocate of Scotland , Dr . Lushington , and others ; and they proposed that the marriage law of India should be made conformable to the marriage law of England . There were 1 , 045 clergymen in India who were capable of solemnising marriages ; of whom , 789 were Roman Catholics . There were also laymen who were in . the habit of performing the ceremony , but the validity , of such marriages had been questioned .. Even so' late as 1849 an
attempt was madeat , the Supreme Court of Bombay to quash an action for criminal conversation , on ; the ground that the marriage was illegal ; but the court held the i martiage to be good . In a similar case , however , the Supreme Court of Madras had held the marriage to be bad . There were only six ministers of the Scotch Free Church in India , but every marriage performed by them was liable to be questioned , , To obviate all these evils , and assimilate the law of India to that of England , the present bill had been introduced .
The Earl of Ellbnboboooh did not object to the principle of the bill , but he thought some of its details were not adapted to the slate of society in India , . .. Tbe bill was then read a second time . Steam Coal fob the Navy . —The Earl of Ellksnonouon called the attention of the government to certain experiments which had been made by Sir H . De La Becheand Dr . * Lyon Playfair , . with a view to test the . quality of various descriptions of coal , to be used on board steam-vessels . -He .
recommended similar experiments , being tried , on Indian coal , and that . those gentlemen should specially report as to the' liability of the different kinds ol coal . . to . spontaneous combustion . Experiments should also be made at sea , and under the boilers , because the atmosphere at sea might have , some effect on the generation ol steam . The Earl of Minto ( who was very indistinctly heard ) was understood to S 8 f that the Suhject bad engaged the anxious attention of the Admiralty , and that the suggestions of the noble earl would receive , due- consideration . Various experiments had been tried , chiefly with a view to test the relative power of various kinds of coal for the purposes of steam navigation . Their lordships adjourned at ten minutes before six o ' clock .
HOUSE OF COMMONS . —There being only twenty-onememb 8 rsupresent : at' ; four o ' clock , the house adjourned ; -.,-. WEDNESDAY , May 14 . HOUSE OF-COMMONS . —PARLfAMEKTARY Rkvobm ;—Mr . Hour postponed bis motion on the subject of Parliamentary Reform , till the 3 rd of June . ' Kensington Gardens . —Mr . Hume gave notice that he would * bring : forward his motion on the subject of Kensington Gardens on the first supp l y night . . ., , , said that he
The "No House , "—Mr . Christopher should have taken no notice of the " no house" of yosterday , if it had been an ordinary occasion ; ( Hear , ' hear . ) But-there-were two . questions of great importance to be discussed , one relating to Parliamentary Reform , and the other relating to Kensington . Gardens . Now , considering the great importance of the first ot these questions , that the public mind'had been agitated upon it by many members of the house , and considering also that her Majesty ' s government had . been left in a minority on a motion having reference to the state of the representation , it was an extraordinary thing that there were only twenty-one membws in the house at four o ' clock on Tuesday , and that of these
there wereonly six whom he could call Radical re-, formers ;' ' ( Hoar ; hoar . ) : . He did not know whether the lion , member for Montrose was enjoying a ride in Kensington Gardens at the time —( laughter)—but he was not present to attend to his own motion atfour o ' clock on Tuesday ., ; ( Hear , hear . ) There were but two members of her - Majesty ' s government present on the occasion . The hon . member for Finsbury on a recent occasion quoted the words of Mr . Canning , who said that it was the duty of the subordinate members of the government to make a bouse , to keep a house , and to cheer the ministers ; but since the time of Mr . Canning the duty of those gentlemen , at least as to the making of a house ; seemed to be very much altered . ( Hear ,
hear . ) He believed there . were many supporters of the'government in the lobbies , and about the house , at four o'clock i but , the only-persons present were the two secretaries of the Treasury ,, He was wot surprised 'that her Majesty ' s government did not make * a house , but where were tho members for-Manchester ?—( hear . ihoar)—where was the member for theWest Riding ?—( hear , hear)—where was her Majesty ' s Attorney .-Generalj who promised his constituents at'Southampton that ho would vote for an extension of Reform that , seemed little short of the proposition of the lion , member for Montrose ? —( hear , hear)—and ^ . where . were the rest of those 150 gentlemen who defeated the government on a motion for extending the franchise % > ( Hear , hear , )
It was right that the people out of doors , whom these gentlemen-were in the habit of addressing on this subject should know the cause of their absence on ao ' -iinportant'a question . ( Hear ; hear . ) . Mr . Hume said ho was extremely glad that the honourable member had introduced the subject , because it afforded . him an opportunity' of explain--ing his absence on Tuesday evening . He admitted that reformer ' s generally who were hot engaged in the * business of the , house' should have taken care that there Wsahoiise ; . He would leave'them to make' their owh explanations ; ' "riufc' for himself he had to ' state that ,. being ' a member of thecommittee on the ' arrhy , na ' vyl and ' ordnauceestimates , ' which had now been sitting for three years , he * was en-!
gaged up'tb ' the hour ' when it was announced' that the Speaker was at prayers in ah important discussion upon . ' the report of that - committee . '• Ho' then mad &' as ' much haste as ho possibly could to be ' prcsent" in the house' at '* four " o'clock ; , but , owing- to the " 'distance' of the - committee * room from-the house , hewas not able'to enter the bouse in time , and'it was 'justas he Was entering that a member methim and told him . that there was "ho house . " That was the explanation of the cause of his abserice . ' ^ jitear ; hear . ) He would ; leave others * , to speakfor'themselves . But he might observe . 'that there were other members , ' mid tho honourable membef ' for tho West ; Riding waVohe of themi who were , engaged '; like himself , ' upon the committee up-.
stairs . ( Hear / hear . ) ' 'He could only . ' say that' \ i there wefe'a ' ny reformers who ' wished to ' evadethis qucstiori /' he did 'hot / belong 'to them . ' ' '( HqarV hear : ) ' This ' questibn , waswith 'him , a * most inidortant one ; ' -His"intentions with regard to it had bftehbbeh maligiied .. 'He \ vas charged with ' . wishing to subvert the constitution' ; but-he' wished to show ' that " timely " reform , arid ' a restoration to the ' people of their irihere * at rights , * was the only way ' of arre ' sthrg discontent / He / . wished also to ' show what reforms the people wished to have , the more especially as-her Majesty ' s government promised 'tobring ' jn a reform bill nextsession . . He had also a motion : * 0 tV ^ he ' subject of Kensington-gardens , that the members who
and he certainly did expect promised him support on that motion would have . been present oh Tuesday . ;( Hear , hear . ) ; ' ' Sir ' G . Grey said that thehoh ; member for Montrose had"fery ^ satisfactorily accounted for his absence on Tuesday—( heaiv hearj ^ and he ' was sure no person who knew tho hoii . gentleman would for a moment doubt'th ' e sincerity . of tiis / . advocacy in 'the cause of reform . . ( Hear , hear ;) "With respect to there being bhly . twenty one members , present on * Tuesday , ; he believed the' fact' to be this—that as her Majesty ' s government had aiih ' ouriced their intention of bringing in a bill on this subject in tho next ' sessidn of parliament the members of the house generally felt indAsposeu to outer upon a discussion -flbioh could
Hmw ^^ Monday , May 12. Presented Ft£V °...
load to no practical result , the more especiall y after having been obliged to sit up to a very late hour on the preceding night . ( Hear , hear . ) M % - "Williams said that the hon . member for wmil ™ , r , » ivcn a P ° explanation , and he ( Mr . . T 3 f lt S , wfu ,, 7 ' ^• 'PPO'Htod at his cotiduct . Crl' ;' ' Thcr . ° * & re ! lt excitement out of norm ^ ^^ the co » d » ° t ot ' tho X ^ wfi l ^ x M ? , VOse ' bufc l'o was not surprised at it , when he boasted .-it ft meetiuK in MarvlsbonB of his new alliance with the conservat i ve ml i Mr . Hume said that when the £ «? , ££ iL , „
aiiuaea to wtiat took place out of that house ha should take care to represent the faX accumelr The obserration to which the hon . member ref ' -rVed was made to obviate the mischief which arose from parties who acrimoniously attacked each other at tho meeting alluded to , tho hon . gentleman beingone of tho parties who urged on that acrimony * ( Laughter . ) What he said was , that he did as much as any man in England in opposition , bufc that he conducted that opposition so as not to make enemies of those who were opposed to him ; and that he had as many friends among tho tories and conservatives as amongst reformers . ( Dear , Hear . )
Mr , Trelawnt said that he was engaged in the committee on church-rates on Tuesday . Ho did not think the conduct of reformers , in reference to this motion and tho motion of tho hon . member for Surrey , was at all creditable to them . Mr . W . Williams thought that some other regulation should be made with respect to tho making of the house . ( Hear , hear . ) Ho thought tho house should be divided into panels of forty members , and that each panel should , in its turn , attend , so as to insure a house at four o ' clock . On Tuesday erening there were two members in tho lobby who endeavoured to prevent members from coming into the house , ( Hear , hear . ) Mr . Bankes rose to confirm what had been said
by tho hon . member for Montrose . He ( Mr . Bankes ) was a member of the same committee with the hon . member for Montrose , but so great was the distance of the committee-room from the house , that he was unable to get to the house by four o ' clock , though moat anxious to do so . It was one of the inconveniences of the vast and . overgrown building that it took four or five minutes to got from one chamber to another . ( Hear , hear . ) Mr . Rbtnolds said that the discussion exposed a fact which was worthy of being known—namely , that all the reformers of England were engaged upon one committee . ( Laughter . ) There were not reformers enough to make a house on ft question of reform , but there was a full spring- . tida of them ,
when questions of religious liberty were concerned . ( Hear , hear . ) He saw many reformers who were then in the house taking shelter on Tuesday in the holes and corners of tho house . ( Hear , hear . ) They looked very much like drowned political rats in the lobbies and corridors of the house whilst the motion of the Nestorof reform was left to shift for itself . ( Hear . ) Mr . S . Crawford said it was impossible to doubt the sincerity of his hon . friend tbe member , for Montrose on the question of reform , Yet it wasa strange circumstance that his hon . friend should have given precedence to the question of Kensington Gardens over tho motion for Parliamentary Reform . He was equally surprised at tho notice of amendment given by an old friend of Reform , the
hon . member for Finsbury , an amendment , referring to one point only of Reform , and postponing that to the next session of parliament . If his hon . friend intended to promote tho cause of Reform he should at least have been present . ( "He was . ") Ha could not but think that if the body of Reformers in the house who had pledged themselves to this question * wero in earnest they would be prepared to come down in sufficient numbers to make a house on Tuesday . , { Hear , hear . ) . Mr . Bebnal thought it would have been better if the . hon . member for . Finsbury had not been attacked in his absence .. ( Hear . ) It was well known to every one that he was in ill health , and would be the last person to shrink , from a manly avowal of his sentiments .
Mr . Agliosby thought the cause of Reform was not likely to bo advanced by attacks on individual members of the . Reform party . He met the hon . member , for Montrose at tho door of the house Only a minute , after the adjournment . For his own part be much doubted the policy of putting on the paper ; either the motion of tho hon . member for Montrose or that . of the . hon . member for Finsbury ;/ for though he would , fee ! hound to vote for either if it came on , it would , in bis opinion , be better to postpone the matter until next . session , when a bill waste be brought in by the government , which he would he content to accept , in the hope of getting more at a future time . , Sir J ; Pakinoton would remind the house that , while deploring the loss of time on the previous evening , they were losing time thenl ( Hear . ) , ; The CnAnmDLE Institutions Notices Bill was read ; a second time . ,
Landlord and Tenant Bill . —Mr . SroosEB , in moving the second reading of this bill , stated the evils it proposed to remedy , arising out of the law of emblements , and the mode in which they would be remedied by the bill . In the short debate which followed , objections were raised to the details , but not to the principle of the bill , which was read a second time . Religious ' Houses Bill . —Mr . Lacy moved the second reading , of the bill to prevent the forcible detention of females in religious houses , the object of which , he said , was that all religious bouses * ( Protestant included ) in which ladies resided bound by monastic or religious vows should be registered , and that in all counties in which houses of this
kind should be registered , six magistrates should be appointed at quarter sessions . to visit such bouses without notice , with power , if they found any lady there who wished to come out , to . take her but . Ha had ascertained that there were fifty : threa such , houses in . England Wales ,, and that they were vastly on the increase , nineteen having been added within the last four years . If be showed that there was an occasional escape from such houses ,, he thought he might assume that there were persona within them who wanted to come out ; and Mr . Lacy detailed , amongst other incidents connected with these houses , the circumstances attending the alleged escape of two females from convents in
England . He drew a similar inference from , the necessary irksomenesa of conventual restraints , and , admitting , the inconvenience that mgiht accompany the unexpected visits of magistrates ,, ho still maintained that it was slight in comparison with the evil of . allowing a person to pine unwillingly within the walls of a convent . ' . ' . Mr . Hume , who said he rose so stop any answer by a Roman Catholic member , observed , that everyone must have , listened , with ttic greatest pain to tho details given by Mr . Lacy , which were not ap « plicable to his bill , and expressed " a hope that an end would be / put to the discussion by some declaration on the part , of the government .
Sir G . Grey said lie had . no hesitation in stating the ground upon which he should withhold his , assentfrom this bill . Mr . Laoy had failed to show the existence , or probable existence , of forcible detention of females in these houses , and , although he was not prepared to deny that a dangerous control was exercised there , it was of a moral and spiritual character , and one which the bill would not ,. in the slightest , degree reach . After recent case ' s he was not prepared to say tbat some steps might not be necessary to deprive ' parties possessing such influence over persons who might be induced to go into these houses of the power of obtaining their property . But the bill was open to very serious objections , and would hot accomplish the object in view . ' Mr . Newdkoath would divide in favour of'the
bill , knowing that a strong feeling existed in the country that an'alteration of the law . regarding these establishments was absolutely' necessary . ' ¦ -. ' Mr . . Plcmptre -would likewise vote " for 'the second reading . He thought the * goverhmeht would not be exonerated in the sight of the country from a charge of hot attending to it ' s interests it they did hot pledge themselves , were this , bill rejected ; , to take up the subject ; > Mr . Robert Palmer thought that Mr . Lacy -had not shown any case of forcible detention , ami that the dctails of his bill were most objectionable . Lie Should like to know " where Mr . Lwv . would get six country gentlemen to perform the duty he proposed . If the Court of Chancery had not power to interfere effectually in this matrer , the government should bring in abill to conferpuch power ,- ••
Mr . Gbattan considered that Mr . Lacy had ' not made out the shadow " , of a case . " . ' . The , residen ts in ft convent could leave it whenever they pleased , ' Lord Asdley wished . the bill to , be withdrawn . Though' he was fully of 'opinion / that ' a' very strong caseinight . be made out , he . did . nbt'think Mr . ' Laot had'estahlished suph a case , aridjf he had , * the' details and machinery of his bill were ObjectibhHble . Tho government , ought , to be aware of the very deepfeelihg ofthe' country . . that some legislative measure upon this subjeet was' required , ' which would be . better left in . their hands /* ! ; The EaiH of . A . nuNDBL ' ahd ' SL-KREY said ho / had been prepared to ' go at length into this ouestion :
but the case had , so-broken down that he depreoated further discussion ;' and moved that the second reading be deferred . for six months ; .. : '?• Pakinoton 'dbjected to the withdrawal of the . hill ( though its details were very objectionable , ) , unless a . more * satisfactory ¦¦ declaration , pledging themselves" t' 6 ' ' deal with the subject ,-was made' by the government ;' . ' t Sir G ; Grby repeated that some measure-might be necessary , but declined to pledge the government to bring in a bill . ' ' ¦ "* ' " ; "' '" " /' Mr . Kbogh observed that this discussion was an example of the evil consequences of legislating upon such subjects . ' * ""*'' ' " '" " , .. \ . tu , A Mil Mr . . Spoonkr admitted that the f ^ j Jg were objectionable , bikf challenge- ^ ^ y « r ? JS man to say he doubted that cases of comp . 1 Jon-mcarceration existed . If the * werM «^ i * « Jsont to appoint a commission or committee tor U »
-
-
Citation
-
Northern Star (1837-1852), May 17, 1851, page 7, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns2_17051851/page/7/
-