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¦ would _unjustified in the vote which they would that night , come to , _inrejecting the proposition that had been submitted to them . ( Hear , hear . ) He would only ! offer one remark more . " It was that the speech of the honourable member forthe Tower Handcts , and the vote which the honourable member for Montrose had announced his intentiori of giving on this occasion , had the effect of throwing a new right on the movement of the oth of June ; Doubts , bad existed as tothe extentto winch the hon member for Montrose intended to . go hi bringing forward his motion of the 5 th of June , but the honourablegen tlemanand ihe honourable member for the Tower Hamlets bad had the honesty _to-nis-ht fully _, to solve that problem . He trusted the House would pardon him for _intrudins * with ihese few brief remarks .
( Hear , hear . ) Mr . _ShiR-iA" * " CRAW-foni ) said that the honourable and . learned member for _Nottingham having referred to him as one of those who had signed the document on which the Charter was founded , he was desirous of not glvirig a silent vote on this occasion , ne ¦ was quite willing to avow having signed that document ; and ' he would also avow that all his experience since then had cpnfirmed . hiin in the opinion that the true principles of public liberty were defined in it . ( llear , hear . ) His experience told hirii that the liberty of thc people was not regarded in that House ; that a further reform ofthe legislature was necessary , and that thc principles set forth in the resolutions of the hon . and . ha-ned member were tie true principles on which , that reform ought
io be established . ( Hear , hear . ) But whde saying this , he did not mean to say that he would be un-. _willin « - to accept of any qualification of those princip les which it -woold . be possible to get public opinion to agree to . He was not one of those who wished to carry , reform by force , or by any means except the influence of public , opinion in its favour , and he was therefore willing to accept of even a portion of these . measures in the first instance . But above ail , he thought that the great principle of reform should be . an extension of the suffrage . ( Hear . ) In advocating . these principles he did not' consider that he was advocating any invasion on tbe consti-. tution . He believed that he . was only going back to the original principles of the constitution , whieh
they had denarted from , and which it was most desirable to restore . ( Hear , hear . ) The resolution stated other preluuiuary doctrines . that had his entire concurrence . It declared that labour was the source of all wealth , and it must be admitted that there was no wealth which was not founded . on labour . It also stated that the people were the source of all legitimate power ; and how , he would ask , could there be legitimate power that was not conferred by the people through their representatives ? The next proposition was also true , that the labourer was entitled to be thc first partaker of the fruits of his own industry ; for what could be more just than that the labourer should get a £ * ir return for his labour ? The next was
that taxation without representation was tyranny ; and he would ask if that also was not a fair propo ? sition ? All these propositions . met with his fullest concurrence ; arid he also thought _thi * v , the mode of reform to be founded on them recommended in the resolution of the honourable and learned member was the true one to be adopted . He had presented a petition from the inhabitants of Rochdale that day , and they had instructed him to say tbat the reason why the petition had been signed by the chairman alone , was that the people had determined io send no more petitions to that House , because they had learned by experience that their petitions were totally and systematically disregarded , if the House , by its vote to-night , confirmed the people in
this impression , they could not be surprised if hereafter there was a return to those scenes which they . had before witnessed with so much regret . ( Hear , hear . ) SirG . Stwcklaxd "believed there was no memher of . that House who was inclined to go further than hhnself with regard to the extension of the franchise . He had given his vote on a former occasion in favour of the motion submitted to the House by the Ion . -member for . Montrose ( Mr . _HumeJ , with whom he then entirely coincided ; but he could not follow the course which tbat hon . gentleman declared he would adopt to-night , for , though he ( Mr . Hume ) had stated that he did not entirely concur in this motion , he had said that he would vote in its favour . The hori . member for the Tower Hamlets
( Mr . G . Thompson ) bad also said that , though hc did not coincide in all thc points of the motion , he would give it his support . 3 fow , he ( Sh- 6 . Strickland ) would not support the motion , though he wished to see the franchise very considerably extended . Even the hon . member for "Nottingham ( Mr . O'Connor ) had abandoned some of those principles which he formerly advocated . Thehon . and learned gentleman was formerly a supporter of the _TiaUot , which he ( Sir G . Strickland ) fcelieved would relieve many honourable and conscientious voters from great embarrassment , bnt that hon . gentleman stated that he was not now friendly to the ballot , unless it was accompanied by the widest possible extension of the franchise . Although , then , he
( Sir 6 . Strickland ) in many respects agreed with the motion , he felt it his duty to vote against it . Mr . . _"W . J . Fox said , the hon . baronet who last spoke seemed to imagine that there was some extraordinary contrariety between the motion now before the Ilouse and that brought forward on a former occasion by the hon . member for Montrose . But both motions were in harmony in one respect . They both aimed at one thing—the representation and it was for representation , real , whole , and fair , that he ( Mr . Fox ) intended to vote on this occasion , as he had done when he went out into the lobby with the hon . member for Montrose . It had been objected to this motion that it was an abstract proposition , and also that it tied the House down by its
adoption to a minuteness of detail which could not afterwards he altered . These two objections were certainly _greatly in opposition the one to the other . The motion was au abstract proposition in the sense ofall general propositions . Every great measure of reform must originate in an abstract proposition . It must be an assertion of some great and important principle . It did not consist with reason , or with the forms of the House , that by the adoption of this motion they would be precluded from taking any liberty with the details of the measure , which must , of course be liable to particular amendments . To some of these details he ( Mr . Fox ) would assuredly object when they came under consideration in the regular course of business . But what he wished
to support was representation , which hc took to be that principle of self-government to which every nation . was entitled . -Representation was a princi p le ofthe British constitution ; but it was also a princi ple to . the advantage of which every nation was entitled whenever a nation had the opportunity of dbtairiing-it _., A great mistake had been made by an hon . " gent lemari in representing this motion as one . for . the adoption of extreme democracy , _yotbinw corildbe _' mpre distinct than . extreme democracy ana * representation . ' . ' Under a system of representation people ; generally . . looked ' . oujL _for-isomething , above " _^ _emseljeSj-TTfora candidate " above , _themselves in station */ in \ Mtelligenee , and in , those _Qualities _ofgoyc _^ ent wjne _^ h would best irisure-thp-objects they
_3 md in _A'icw . Exfreriie democracy , the ' mere _prcpogderaricerif a iuniericarmajorityacting directly , ., was , _* as unlikethi ¥ _as possible .. _Representation was a . result at " wliich , after along series _of-ages , mani _^ _iliad . _'ui'ivediJt wasthat _^ . uiion of popular _inflnence _. arid . popular satisfaction " with , the exercise .-of practical wisdom and far-sighted views which all ¦ fri ends _jof good . government must greatly desire . . Thep _' _- _^ riciples ofthe British constitution , " in their enunciation , lntbeir _genris , in their primitive forms , / were tp be found in the history of a very" early pe-. jipd ; ;; hut 1 all these principles were graduaUy-deve _loped . . The responsibility' -which was so marked a _fenfire of _^ ' government iri this _countiy , the toleration . ranch distinguished this nation , had . been gradual
, 3 n tneir progress . They were principles of the constitution at the time that constitution began to take a defined form ; but thefuII _^ eVelopement of those _prineipleswasnot in the past ;; but in the future , and there , he apprehended , they " must look for the "fnlldevelppemeiit of the principle of representation . It had been alleged against the motion before the Housethat this was a peculiarly , unfit country for . its ] aspHcathu'C because they had . an ancient ' mo' _-nai-chy , an ancient chnrcX an ancient aristocracy andadanded proprietoy . . These were the very reasons . which necessitated representation in these realms _^ and which " showed the intense' want of popular principle to create some balance to these mighty interests . . , It was no ' t onlj true ' that represeritation
• was a principle * of the _Brilaah ' eonstftutibn , but it ; -wSsalso , nrinappily , tbo plain that they'iiad not yet arrived at the enjoyment oi representation ; . the House . had _^ eadjr heard , even to -weariness , _caicuiations _^ and _eiitisticsrin this subject , "but he asked _rtheijindulgense ' wiilelie offer _^ some _fiirther iUus-. ttafapns .. Jiretdrhhad _beenjfresentedon"the _mbtionofthe hon . h _^ n _* etthe ' _meriib _« for 3 _ferylebone , ' J & mg _alist of the ; different bordnghs arid cities . in _^ _Swad and Wales , with their population arid the numbers of their ' _censtitiienbies . He ( Mr . Fox ) had - _*^ _eriJtwo gftfups c _^ _Jb-rd-ag bi—theonre at the _ceai-^ _encement _^ _bf the _diriment and the other at its _^ pHcIusi 6 ni- *" Thefirst _OTOup-6 briii ) risearonrfPAii ' Ki _£ r
¦ _? onj ; bS , _retin _*^ g _' twen _^' memberB to ; - Parliament . and the seeorid ' eompfified nine borou' * -hs also _repSdng" twenty ' _Tfiembers . ;"* In the first ' _foiirteeri DoronghSthe number " of voters was S : U 9 : in the _Mpne borpnjdis if was 141 , 664- _>^ e " pobmation _f-SSf _^ _* _* _^ 2 ; 15 _M _^ : Vln ' _the-first grouf - _* £ _^ w _^ r'J _*^ member represented 172 _'* voters and _-lySSr-v _bA 3 _^ 6 _^ wuileYih the other group , _pf-Dy _^ tt average of-lM electors _-i * ach" Thp _mniorifv in aU cases was under 200 -in _siSff '• • _^ " _^ "under 150 ; and ; in three _Slt w _^ _deJS Sow , _waVnot thisan _absoluteb & _XSiS _* _-i & notion of representation so far as _thV peopieS _soncerned ? If these anomalies produced « S !
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in unison with the feelings and . . interests of ; the country , and if the country were persuaded ofthat , he did riot think it woiild be worth while incurring the "difficulties which would attend their change and rectification . But , under existing circumstances , were the result of the change only ; to be the return ofthe self-same members as were , elected under the present system , still there would be this most important difference , that the " millions now excluded would be satisfied -instead of being dissatisfied . ( Hear , hear . ) - Our government was a government of opinion , and the continuance of a . disaffected opinion arising from one cause , and prolonged from generation to generation , was of ail things to be deprecated . On this very topic there had been discontent for a century and a half there had been
discussions on it within that House , and agitation after agitation without- its walls , and ' the discontent connected with itspread to all other topics . Those who would bestow confidence , if they had a full share iri the representation , withheld that confidence when they had not such share . The exclusion produced an antagonistic bias , and created an unfriendly disposition of criticising the proceedings of that House ; and a friendly disposition would be substituted by a general participation on the part of the people in the elective franchise . ( Hear , hear . ) "While every item of discontent flowed to this ' _source , - _* n agitation was kept up which gained strength and bitterness by the postponement of the required concession . Of all modes of government which ever existed he _thought that the very worst which to a
certain extent had prevailed" m this country—ne meant the accomplishment of improvements only by means of agitation . It withdrew meri ' s minds from thc topics on which they might most wholesomely be employed , and created professional , agitatorsmen who lived by that work , and were ready to stimulate the people for their own purposes . ( Hear , hear . ) From time to time it occasioned a danger of breaches ofthe peace , and caused bitterness between class and class , and utterly destroyed that unity of feeling which ought to exist between the representatives and the constituericics from which they emanated . He knew of nothing which could check this enormous evil except giving as widely as possible to the people a share m the nomination of the members ofthat House : and it was not ori
account of agreement with any points of the People ' s Charter in detail that he supported the present motion , but he cordially gave his vote' for it , as another attempt in the series of attempts to realise a full aud free representation pf the people . . ( Hear , _licai-. ) lord John _Russeii , having had more than one opportunity of addressing the House on matters of a nature somewhat similar to the present one , both in the last and during the present session of parliament , he did not know that he should have risen on the present occasion to trouble the House with the expression of sentiments with which it must be now familiar , had it not been for sonie assertions that had been made in the course ofthe debate to-night , which , if he were to allow to pass uncontradicted , might leave a very false impression on the minds of
all who had heard them , with regavd to the govemnieat to which he belonged—to the majority of that House—and to his own political conduct as a minister ofthe crown , or as a private member of parliament , on thequestioriof parliamentary reform . ( Hear , hear . ) And first he must advert to an assertion that had been made , that ni ght , by the hon ; member for the Tower Hamlets , who seemed to think that he ( Lord J . Russell ) had pledged himself and the government to which he belonged , to resist any attempt to carry ariy further measure of parliamentary reform , or any proposition for the extension ofthe elective suffrage , whether brought forward by any memher of her _Ma-jesty ' s government forthe time being , or any other member ofthat House . The hon . gentleman , ' in support of this
assertion , had especially adverted to a speech which he ( Lord J .-Russell ) had made hi the year 1837 . ( Hear , hear . ) Gentlemen would , doubtless , recollect that when the proposed measure for the reform of parliament was brought forward by him , as the organ of the government of the late Earl Grey in that House , its announcement had excited a great deal of enthusiasm among , a great body of the people ; and , atthe same time , nad occasioned very considerable alarm among other classes ; who were , indeed , prepared to adopt measures having a reform of parliament for their object , but who considered the bill for that purpose thus submitted to the legislature so extreme , so very extreme or democratic in its tendencies , that they were prepared to withhold their support from it , sincerely as they
would have espoused the principle , and to run all risks that might result from their putting themselves in opposition on that subject to the declared and unequivocally avowed wishes ofa great majority of the people . On its success the same parties , still fearful of its results , seeing' on the one hand the perils which they thought must attach to the principles that Earl Grey had sanctioned with his authority and support , and on the __ other the perils that might attend any further resistance to the clear manifestations which had been _ given of the popular will on such a subject , and in a free country like this , addressed a question to Earl Grey , as the head of the government in the other House , and to Lord Althorp as the ministerial leader in this ,. " wheiner it was intended by the government that the bill
should be the basis of a series of other measures , totally destroying the existing scheriio of parliamentary representation ; or whether the governmentintended it as their measure of , parliamentary . reform , and iipon which- they - meant to stand ?" ( Hear , hear . ) Earl Grey and Lord Althorp both replied to this question by a solemn declaration that thek bill was a measure by which they did mean to stand . - ( Hear , hear . ) But nopledge was given that in the event of the Reform Bill then before parliament being carried , no proposalsfor further alteration , that might be called for in-the represeritation of the people , provided they should be founded on the basis established by that bill , would be entertained by any member ofthe government . On this declaration so made by Earl Grey and Lord Althorp " ,
who , in their several capacities were of course entitled to be regarded as speaking the sentiments of the government they represented in both houses of the legislature , many persons of-moderate opinions who had not been , up to that time , parliamentary reformers , declared their adherence to the plan of Earl Grey , and gave such support to it as enabled Lord Grey ' s government to carry their bill , first through this , and finally through the other House of parliament . It was some five years after this event that he ( Lord J . Russell ) was asked to give his consent to a totally new and different scheme of representation from that which had been , established by the Reform Bill . He replied—as was surely natural that he should do , and as he was bound to do—that he had been a member of Earl Grey ' s government .
and as such its organ in bringing forward the Reform Bill ; that he was , therefore , not prepared , after so short a period had elapsed since it had passed into law , to be the organ for the introduction of a new and different scheme of riarhanientary representation . But he had said , at the sariip time , that it was very possible some such measure might be called for by some change in public opinion , but that he did not feel that he could properly be the party to propound it to parliament . ( Hear . ) The hon . member for the Tower Hamlets has said that because ofthat answer so returned by him , he ( Lord . J . . Russell ) stood pledged to resist every proposition for any , even the slightest alteration in the Reform Bill as it now stood . But this was surely no fair ' construction of his answer . It was possible that
others might have adopted it ; but ,-at the same time , he ( Lord J . Russell ) was bound to state , that he did not think the Reform Bill quite perfect—it had many imperfections , arid was therefore susceptible of amendment . ; ( Cheers . ) He ' thought it was a measure open to improvements hereafter at the time , and he adopted a course which he thought due to himself , both as a minister of the crown and a representative , of the people , in a letter he ' wrote ' to his constituents , wherein he stated that , ' . iri course of time , " . _rartain alterations might , be advantageously , perhaps , introduced into the Reform " Bill ; that some of the alterations which * had been proposed were weU worthy of consideration ; such as giving theworkingclassesa greater share in the choice ofthe representatives , " and' investinjj many
with the elective , franchise who had hitherto not been able to exercise' it . That to the- proposal of such alterations duly brought forward , he should be disposed to give every consideration with a view to their adoption , if found expedient , " under all the necessary precautions of careful inquiry and adaptation ; After this " statement he really inust say that he thought he could scarcely have been fairly liable to such imputations as had been brought against hini by the member for the * Tower Hamlets , —and particularly after the _lette ( Hear . ) ; Having' stated thus much as to his own former conduct in reference to the [ Refbrin ; Bill ; aridas ; one who * , for a period of thirty years 'had beeaa good deal mixed up with _all ' questions relating to parliament-fry . reform , he wpuld how ; proceed to state _' _-v-ery . _shprtly his opinions' with ' regard . ' tp the question at . _present hefore the' House . He was hot surprised that an hori . " friepti of . _hisi ( Sir G .
Strickland ) shouldthinkthe coarse whichthe hon . member for ; Montrose proposed to take on the question was an _meonsistent one . _^ Tfie . _honl gentlemau '( Mi' . Hume ) _suppoi'tea it asa step _jorily , he said , to Other measures , _to'the adoption ( of . _wby * h many members . ori : that side of the house , were avo . wedly -favourable . _^^^^ ( iflrd _' iri ' . _Eussell ) _cohceived thatalfliough it ; might ; . be ' ; huta . step , it w _^ _s One which ,-would caiTy therii ajj 1 . a _^ lorig . way . to the _;^ 'matiye pf all those _e-streme _^ Vp-cinei pIes ; that _^^; . were"b 6 mprisea . in .-what vrag . called the " !* six _^ point ' s lot . the "Charter ; " 'His : hori : friendepuld . _riot be _. surpris ' ed that he . ( Lpfd J . ' _^ Rrissell ) should , b _^ e _^ upwiUing _* , : ; tberef _^ tp y _^ f 0 f : th | _"riibtiori _^ pf the _^ hori ' . l'm . _embeii 'That _^ b'ri _^ emb ' erV ' _notrito introducing a bill to carry intp _eftect'the , ' objects proposed by the _adyoeates of the ' six points ; had thought proper to preface it ' with resolutions afiuiriing certain prlri ciples , " That the people were the source of all wealth '— " That the people were thc source of ill
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legitimate power , " he ( Lp _* _.-d _$ i _Russpll _^ was : riot prepared to dispute ; but that .- {' -Labour should be permitted to . t ' ake the . fruits of its ' own iridusti-y . before capital received . its . owri . profits , ' ** he didnot uriderstandl What was the , ' meaning . of such ' a proposition "? ( Hear , hear . ) Generally ' speaking , labour agreed to give its aid for certairi ' wages ; when this was given , arid the wages were paid , then ( and he thouglit the hori . riiember lor ¦ Montrose would _a-ree with hirii in this ) the contract was fulfilled . TJie labourer usually did not work for . anything beyond his wages .. lip knew , indeed , that a similar principle to that involved in the hon . member for _Nottingham's resolution had been upheld for- some tiirienast . in France * ; _: and ; fdi _' _jaughthe knew , by .
some of those who had been most instrumental in advocatingthese dootririesof the rights of labour , in recent periods of great political trouble , but it was never known to be upheld in this country . Tho noble lord proceeded to ridicule the notion" of charging the existing representative system with t y ranny and injustice , ori account of ; its withholding from very large classes of the community the ' elective franchise . The time was _^ when Englishmen were accustomed to call themselves _freerborn Englishmen , from their conviction , hepresumed , that so lone ; as they continued to ' ¦ act and live within the limits of the law , they might act , and do , and say just what they pleased . Hene ' ver heard before that Englishmen considered themselves to be slaves because
some of them were debarred fromthe privilege of electing i members of parliament . One hon . gentleman ( Mr . G . Thompson ) ' had talked about the 28 , 000 , 000 of the English people who were concerned in this electoral questiori ; did hc propose that every male of a week old , who went in addition to the adult males to compose this aggregate , should be invested with the right of voting ? ( A laugh . ) And' what did he propose to do with the ladies —( laughter)—a part ofthe 28 , 000 , 000 ? Werethey to be excluded ? For his own part , lie was convinced that there were very many indeed who , like Miss ! Martineau , were fully as well qualified to exercise this important privilege as a vast number of those adult males who 1 J l . _.. a _~ . . nt _A . n . t , * . _nr . A n _^ _iiAniini . nln i _. e . .. / . A * .. / . . — ¦ _4- _£ _\ ¦ _MiiQijuu
WOUIU uu _iuvai _^ _iiof _* uot ; u _^ aij ' , _wu _icjuoq _. iu bU them . The noble lord proceeded to contest the propositions advanced by thehon . member for Montrose ( Mr . Hume ) with regard to theexpediehcy of so large anexfensioh of the elective franchise as he advocated .. ! -It ' was true that in a democracy it had been found " practically _ that such ari extension might be safely conceded ; but believing , as he diu , that our 'constitution . ' was ari ; exceedingly good though complicated one , he thought that in the _vai'ity of interests that , under it were always in active arid sometimes ; , antagonistic motion , results niight follow that ! would be found quite incompatible with its security . "With regard to the doctrines that had been advocated iri France
touching the right of the 'labourer to participate with the employer in the profits derived from his industry , he was quite sure that they would find , however plausible as abstract principles , no support inthatHouse . He had seen them , indeed , advocated occasionally ; iii some ofthe papers , even to the extent upheld in the letter which they had heard read by an hon . gentleman .. In like manner , with tho exception of some , articles in the Daily News , he was not aware that there was any disposition among any great portion of the conimunity to support the extreme principles upon which the arguments for such an extension of the elective franchise as his hon . friend ( Mr . Hume ) advocated was based . As for universal suffrage , or anything
approaching to it , he did not say that it might . not work well in a democracy , but it could not under such a constitution as ours . ' If its introduction were attempted that constitution must perish . ( Hear . ) In that event , he was hot prepared to say that a very powerful democracy might not be established upon its ruins ; but this would soon pass into a dictatorship , which would prove . also very powerful ,, very- absolute , and , vei * y terrible . For these reasons , therefore , he did not concur in the proposal to establish universal . suffrage . With respect to the orily other topic upon which he should touch , namely , equal electoral districts , he at least thought that the proposition ofthe hon . member for _Nottingham was more intelligible than that ofthe
hori . member for Montrose . ; ( Hear , hear . ) He could understand very well a ; proposal that they should divide the : country according to its population , and each district should have one or two members . That was an intelligible proposition . That they would thus put an endTto the 'influence of the aristocracy , which * seemed "tobe the bugbear with some hon . - _members- _"s _» h ' _o- ; had- spoken , he did not at all believe ; -, _becatfsfi if there were representatives in the . agricultural districts _^ 'as according to . the plan of the hori . member _^ there *; -would be--where there was considerable property in the possessions either of one gentleman or ; . several gentlemen living in the country , that influence would tell upon the election . ( Hear , hear . " ) - ' It would tell with universal suffrage
almost as much as with the present mode of election , and there couldbe no- doubt that it would greatly cohtrolthereturh of membersto that House . . ( Hear , hear ;)* He did not himself think the system . . would be so good an one as that which now existed . -The hori . gentleman who spoke last had ,-for the hundredth time , stated the discrepancy between the number of the constituencies , the population in some cases consisting of sixty or seventy thousand persons , and in ' others being comparatively small . He ( Lord J . Russell ) had never denied that such was the fact under the present system of representation ; what , he said was , however , that although the existing representation was not a representation of numbers , it was more , a representation of the
whole community of this : country ; than would be a representation of districts divided exactly ; according to population . ' ( Hear , hear . ) Under a division into districts they would have many members from the freat towns " and many members from the country istricts , discussing the questions which came before them : and _thsy would possibly find at the first that those who had expected a great democratic change were disappointed , and that there was a . groat majority belonging rather to the Conservatiye party than to any other political body . ( Hear ,, hear . ) But then , supposing this great change to have been made , had they any guarantee that satisfaction would be given by the alteration ? ( Cheers . ) Did they believe that those persons who were chiefly dissatisfied
, those who were busy with petitions in some of the great towns , would be satisfied with such a representation ? ( Heai * _, hear . ) They ought not to keep altogether out of view what ; had been seen in a neighbouring country inthe course of the past year . ( Hear , hear . ) Experiments had been made to its cost b y a neighbouring nation ; That nation had established universal suffrage and equal electoral districts . A large majority had , been returned holding what were called in this country Conservative opinions . But . had that majority inspired universal satisfaction ? . ( Hear , hear . ) Had the minority ' . sat down contented , as the hon . gentleman who -spoke last assumed that , they must have done ? ( Hear , hear . ) The hon . gentleman
said that if this country "ot nothing else by the proposed change , it would secure contentment ; that , complaints having been ; made for a long series of years , those complaints would Pease if equal electoral districts were established . Well , in a neighbouring country the plan had been tried , and what was the result ? ( Hear , hear . )* One party then said _^ that the constitution had been violated ; the question was brought before the assembly , arid the majority , chosen by universal suffrage , declared that it had not been violated . Where was the contentment ? ( _Heai _' , hear . ) Those persons , who , according to the hon . gentleman , ought to have been coritcrited , immediately laid plots for carrying bloodshed through the streets of
i'ans _. ana asserting by torce that which they could not obtajn by legitimate ; means . ( Cheers . ) Such was the result of the experiment . Nor had such effects been witnessed in one country only . They wore the natural fruits , let him tell the House , of making'great changes from which great results were expected immediately to follow ; they were the fruits of proceeding ori the doctrine of universal suffrage ; . and holding out thus by means of certain changes in the laws of property , all men would obtain at once the advantage ' s of perfect ease and prosperity . Itwas that that had been done in France . The doctrine had'there been hold that those who wereenga ' gedin manufactures need never have a period of adversity ; that to nrovide for a
time when , from want of demand ; the manufacturers could not supply work , and the workpeople would naturally be , with their families , in a state of suffering , the order of society ought to be so changed as to secure that no suffering should follow ; By certain most artificial , most absurd , " and impossible regulations _^ the manufacturing industry , * not of France only , but pf every country in the _worlds was to be so regulated , so . restricted to the entire demands ofthe world , that a period would never come -when the supply would- exceed _the'demand ; - arid artisans and workmen were never to be without the employm _,-- nt Y , 1 _*? _5 was necessary to enable thein to obtain a livelihood . - ( Hear . ) * The consequence of holding out such a 'doctrine iu France Avas that inttmbers of workmen had been disappointed as to the effect of the changes which had taken'place-in that : country . ( Hoar ¦¦ hi » ni _.- _\ ' TI _„„ _- _™ _ _ur ? _.-.-. - _ . 1 _ a . < • " i /
„ _vr ~~ - ~~ Z '' J , _«• " ¦•{ - _guiumvorauL a mirage , . wnen they found that these impossible results did-not follow , they : wentirito' the streets , to the number- of twenty or _thu-ty thbrisarid , prepared -to ! sacrifice their lives m . defence of . ' this impossibld -theory . ( Hear , heaiv ) He ' might be told _^ that no such occurrence , could take place in ¦ Eftglarid ; _-that the English people were better vinstructed , thari other ; nations , _andwouldnpt-entertairi _^ such an expectation . ' But : ho . _« reyer ; the horn ... gentleman' might-talk ; of the greater - portion of the people " of this country being slaves , he _^ rdJ _^ _HusseuJfliust _own that ' he -did not think ; t . he advantages- which -they -had _? to - part with ; were sc ? trifling . that they should _run'theiinmense risk th _^ y were _^ _asked'to do . ( Lriud cheering ;) He , might _y be _'^ uite ; mistaken' iri that respect - ki m ght bethat th _* \ s country would- be'much happier more prosperous , 'and riiore free , * if'it . adopted these propositions ; but what he saw was , that this country was very _freMhear _, _heai'Hhat it had the
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enjoyment of great liberties . _^ : ( Hear , . hear . ) : ! If theViwere wrong _Avith-resnect to any of the economical laws which had _beenadopted , still _Uieyhadheen adopted with the ' -consent ,. of -tho great body of the people / and not againstti > eir ; will . < Feeling this'he was not disposedto adopt the changewhichthehon . _gentleman _Recommended . ; : He believeai _^ _wouldbe for their advantage if agreater number . of the . _AvorkT ngclas _^ _es had _tfie , suffi ; age _JHear hear ) if any chan _ge of that kind could be made Wlfch no such pies Of their , constitution as he had mentioned _^ Hc must , therefore , oppose the proposition of thehon gentleman , _coriceivlng . that if adoptedit _^ _^ _wouldtend to produce the greatest evi s , -andthai _. _therweie in the enioyments of benefits which , if they hgnuj parted _» , they wouldbe . amostioolish and unwise nation ¦ : ( Cheers . ) .. ¦
- . . ; , Mr Montz said it was with great satisfaction that he had heard the noble , lord declare that they were at liberty to make great alterations , notwithstana _* _- ing the passing of tlie reform bill . jHear hear . ) He remembered a declaration ofthe noble lord _^ on that subiect , which had the effect of giving him the soubriquet of" Finality John . ' - _^ : ( Great laughter . ) Lord J . Russell , —Perhaps I should explain to the hon . gentleman that the word "finality" was never used by mo . ( Hoar , hear . ) Itwas , no doubt , a very good nickname- ( laughter ) -but Inever used the word "finality" at all .. ( Hear , hear . )
Sir Muim was very glad to hear that declaration . (¦ Hear , ' hear . ) He also rejoiced to hear the noble lord declare , inthe latter part of his speech , that he was in favour of an extension of the suffrage , provided it could be ' made with advantage and safety —( hear , hear)—and hoped he would not allow a very long period to elapse before he put his views in' practical operation . He was satisfied that the great majority of the people of this country felt that they were at present under a great privation . Sincerely did he wish that he could make up his mind to vote for the motion , hut in some of the propositions he could not concur . He agreed with the noble lord that the proposition that the labourer
Should be the first * partaker of the fruits of his industry was very ambiguous . ( Hear , hear . )' . He strongly objected to the proposal to have annual elections ; hc could riot conceive how * , under-such circumstances , the business ofthe countrycould . properly carried on . He was quite prepared to vote forthe ballot , if accompanied by a large-extension of the suffrage : without that he doubted whether it would produce any good results . ' ( Hear ; hear . ) " As to electoral districts , it certainly appeared a very great anomaly that one man should _ouiv ¦
represent tnousanasanu _auwuer wuy _a--o , «»« . he would like to prevent an improper use of what were called the rights of property . The property qualification seemed to him rionsense . ( Hear , hear . ) It was a notorous fact that many gentlemen had sat iri that House with a nominal qualification , who had not a shilling ' s worth of property in the world . ( Much laughter . ) ' He- regretted that he could riot record his vote in favour of the motion , feeling that there was a great deal which ought to be given to the people , and which , if it were not given , they woiild take . ( Hear . )
Mr . O'Connor then briefly replied . The noble lord said that the reform bill was passed in deference to the popular wish and five years afterwards lie said that more concessions ought to be made . Yet , from that time to this , none had been made ; arid he would . ask the noble lord when he thought the proper time would come for making any further concessions to the people ? He would ask whether the Lord Grey and the Lord Althorp , pledging themselves for the ' mind ot seventeen years ago , could stand sponsors for the mind of this progressive age ? They yielded what the mind of their day demanded . He asked the noble
lord to measure his changes by the mind ofthe present day .: The noble lord said he did not understand what was meant by the labourer being the first to receive the fruits , of his own industry ; . and although it plainly had reference to the enormous and unjust taxation of the country , the noble lord had called it communism or socialism , and attempted to ride off hy an appeal to the case of France and other nations , where the people had not had the same training for liherty as the free mind , of this country had imbibed . He believed the people of this country were so far from approving of communism , that if they saw that their
own rights were respected , they would not attempt to invade the rights of others ; while he ( Mr . O'Connor ) had that respect for public opinion—no matter whether true or erroneous —that he would neither persecute , prosecute , nor reproach any man for the fair and bold assertion of his principles , but , on the contrary , he had a respect for the man who would advocate ; opinions ; which lie honestly entertained , however repugnant they may he to the large majority of the nation , and hence he -would allow to Socialists and Communists the right of freely expressing their opinions , and would leave to the people the free right of passing
sentence upon them by adoption or rejection . Instead of spreading discontent and fostering rankling animosities in the bosom of the community by , allowing the exclusive rights of others to . crush the rights of the labouring masses , all * should . be brought under the shadow ofthe constitution , and then all would , have an interestiri' preserving it . He was aware , as'he ; . atated in his speech ,. that the noble lord . would ,, use . the present state of France as an argument for opposing his motion , but , as he contended before _^ the state ofthat country hut tended to weaken _theai'guments of thenoblelord , and to strengthenhis ( Mr . O'Connor ' s ) _positibri . Nor . did lie think that the noble lord had
established any , the slightest , grounds for opposing the motion , but , upon the contrary , he had effected what he ( Miv O'Connor ) would not have attempted—he had proved to the landlords in that House that , by the adoption of the proposition , they would speedily , be in possession of the balance of power—butwould one of them , vote for him ? ( Hear , hear . ) He had attempted to cast : ridicule upon th . at portion of the speech of the ; hori . member for the Tower Hamlets , by attempting-to deduce from his argument that the whole of the population of the Empire—twenty-eight millionsshould be enfrancnised , including babies and
women ; whereas the noble lord must have been perfectly aware that the argument of the hon . gentleman went to show that those babies and women were the sufferers , inconsequence of withholding the vote from their fathers and . husbands . ( Hear , hear . ) But this was the description of ridicule with which the sound views ofthe public mind were ever met bythe government of the country . He did not think he was called upon to reply to the fanciful speech of the honourable . member for ; Cambridge—the honourable gentleman reproached him ( Mi-. O'Connor ) for not defining ' critically , and iri detail , lhe measures and
results to which tho adoption of his proposition would lead . Why ,. it ; was ;;' his _areiatest'dmi _^ culty , out of doors , to combat ; the wild results anticipated by wild theorists . The noble lord had spoken of despots and dictators ; and what cbuldbo _groatei' jidspotisiu , or more' consummate dietatprship , _^^^ thah , & i' hmi ( Mr . . 0 'Cpnr nor ) to _ventui'e . even upon a guess at what the resultf- produced by the enfranchisement of . the mind of this country would be : ? This had always been one iof his
greatest'dimculties . -One says he dreads "this _change-Uanother that _change—^ _-and ; an o ther thei _othei ' charige , as the result of the People ' s Charter _•'•/ while he ( Mr . O'Connor ) based his attachment tb ; the measiire upon the _fii'm conviction that every change produced by , it would be ; the better for aU ; pa " vtieB ; and but foi' tne facts lie before stated , - he would simply , have answered the speiech of ; the hon . gentleman who dreaded the enfrfanc _^ sfeme-Qt of the ignorant people , ' inthe Words' , of , the , Yprkshirepe _^ iate _Eari-Fitzwillianri _; _j ! ofiered ; . ; himself _:-fbr-ithe
representation ; ofthe ; West Riding * of ; York-¦ _shh'e . ; ; An ; i gnorant _"> _peasa"nt- _; took ; . the opportunity ; of catechising the noble , lord as tp . his political opinions . ;; "'Wh y _^' isaidthe noble . _loi'd , ¦' . ' what do yon _^ _imdei'stand about makino _^' l aws _¦* % _VNom : , _" i _« plied _thepeasantj _'fand'I _knownoutaboutmakmgshoes , either ; _^ _ufI * 'know d _<»^ _i-a . _clvfi-p ; inakes ia ' pairtlia _^ . niake _^ no , ' inpi _' . e , _^ '( Hea _^ heir _|^ and laughter . ); ; Now . those . who ; make _^ iaws . tiiat pinch the people , ; the people , if'the-jrO had . _^ the power to ; dismiss th ; e _^^ they _^ inadejio _, inore ; iaws for _^ he _^ ; 'i but ' the _probabilit y was , that fearful of disniissai they would make good iaws , After the declaration
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o _£$ e _, n ? _bk : lo- _^ ; _time arrived he , would make , these prudent , and timely concessions , ? he _^^ hoped that . tins question would , not ; _bOf ; s [ hejyed-. and put ; . aside in that House , for ; he ; waS ; sure , ; from the resolution he knew tlie _woi'king classes _. to possess ,, _theywere determined to , persevere - * until ., ; they ' ¦¦ had achieved their rights ' , - ; andhe himself was individually _, _detei-mined , -whatever opposition be might _meot-witli from any govorninent , topeiv severe to the ; last , moment of : his life , until he ; saw the People's Charter the- established law of the land .- , .. _- _-.- ¦ . * - ¦ ; . ;• The House , then divided , , when there appeared _^ - ¦ ¦ [ .. . . For the ' motion . ¦ -.. , 13 - _: _i _iAgamstit ' . _v ' " ; , .: _< . 222 '••;; :.. ;¦ : . ; Majority against it ;; .. ——209 The motion was therefore lost . * ! , ;
[ Here follow the names of the thirteen who voted ; for Mr . O'Connor ' s motion , and we trust that whatever antagonism may heretofore . have existed between those thirteen gentlemen and the people or their constituericies , will now be buried in oblivion : arid we cannot refrain from congratulating ourselves and the country upon the vote of , the veteran Hume , now in his seventy-third year , . and ; tlie people will learn by his vote , that , though opposed to them upon questions of detail ; and although possessing the leadership of a party advocating some of the principles of the People ' s Charter , that , nevertheless , the veteran reformer is prepared to go with the times , and With the prevailing opinion of the day . The people will now _^ fin d , that what is to be
DONE FOR THEM MUST BE DONE _BYTHEM . ] _MiNomiv of 13 to 222 who voted in favour of ¦ ' . - Mi * . O'Connor's motion . Fox , W . J . Scholefield , W . Greene , J . ; . Tancred , II . * W . Heyworth , L . Thompson , Col . Hume , J . Thompson , -G . Lushington , C . Walmsley , Sir J . Nugent , Lord tei . _* l _* sr 3 . O'Connell , J . O ' Cennor , Feargus Pearson , C . Crawford , Sharman
Salb . op Bread . —Mr . Bankes then moved that the House go into committee to consider the manufacture and sale of bread , ftith the view of introduc ing a bill ; stating , as the ground of his motion , that the poorer classes did not enjoy the protection in regard to the purchase of that article to which they were entitled ; and he proposed that each loaf should be stamped with the weight . . - Captain Pbchell Objected to the motion ; but Mr . Labouchkbk , guarding himself against being committed to the principle of Mr . Bankes's proposition , did riot oppose the introduction of his bill . . After a short diseussion , in which Mr . _Packe , Mr . Foley , Mr . Heathcotb , Sir D . Evans , and Mr . Mangles participated , the motion was carried by 91 to 37 ; the Ilouse went into committee , and a bill was ordered to be brought in . The other business . on the paper . having been disposed of , the House adjourned—after having sat for eleven hours and a . half—at half-past One o ' clock ; until twelve o ' clock on Wednesday . * _-.. _*¦
; WEDNESDAY , July 4 . HOUSE OF _COMMONS . —The House met at twelve o ' clock , and went shortly afterwards into committee on the Marbiages Bill , which ultimately passed through committee , a clause , moved by Mr . Fox Maule , to prevent the extension of the bill to Scotland or Ireland , having been defeated on a division , the numbers being 119 to . 6 * 3 . :: : Several other bills were forwarded a stage . Mines and Collieries Bill . —Mr . T . Duncombe rose to move the second reading of this bill . Two years ago he had postponed this measure upon the understanding that the government would take the subject into consideration and introduce some plan by which the evils complained'of would be remedied .
But nothing whatever bad been done , and thc consequence was ,, thai some most _appalling accidents had occurred , without any power whatever on the part of tho government to interfere , except bythe present inefficient system of inspection . The . measure which lie now proposed was not of his own suggestion . It was entirely the work of the riien themselves who laboured in bur mines and collieries . It had been discussed by them , and agreed to at a meeting of delegates from all parts ot the country , including . Scotland , England , and . Wales . Those men had requested him to lay the . bill before the House , and ask its assent in the first instance to the principle of the measure .. The principle of it was simply this , * —that there should be legislative
interference for the protection ofthe lives and , property of those persons who were employed in the mines and collieries of this kingdom . It was not necessary that he should now enter into a discussion pf the details of the bill , or do more than state ' that its main object was to empower her _. Majesty to appoint certain- inspectors , who should be required four times a-yeai" to visit mines and _eollioi'ios , and to make reports thereon , arid to suggest such improvements , as they might think necessary for the protection of mines and collieries , and of the lives of persons employed therein . -It also made provision that in future the workmen . should work by weight instead of by nieasure _. ' as they did now . The coalowners sold their coal to the public by weight , and
no good reason could he assigned why the workmen should not be paid by weight . In _Uorthumberlarid arid Durham that system had already been adopted , but in some of the midland counties the . coal was brought to the surface and there measured . There were several complaints urged by the men . Oftentimes they were not paid their money for five or six weeks after the coal had been brought to the surface ; and if any stone or foul matter should be found among the coal the men forfeited the whole of their money ; so that it sometimes happened that _, at the end of a month or six we . eks , when the meii went to ; receive the fruits of their industry , they found , instead of receiving any wages , certain
penalties imposed upon them . Now , this bill was intended to remedy those grievances . If the House would sanction the principle ofthe bill by recognising the interference of government on their behalf , they woiild , he had no doubt , readily submit to any qualification or amendment which the House might think it necessary to introduce' There were , he knew , certain accidents which it was not in the power or human foresight to avert , but , so far as human skill and human experience could avail , power : should be given to apply that skill and that experience in order to prevent the occurrence of those accidents , which , whenever they happened , were attended with the most dreadful results . The hon . member then moved that the bill be read a second time . .
Mr . ; Hums seconded the motion . He ; considered the subject to be one . of vast importance to the country . It was perfectly notorious that there were more lives lost in coal mines in England alorie _thaii were lost in all the shipwrecks that had' happened-to our , commercial navy . ( Hear , hear . _K'But the evil was not limited to the numbei' of . lives actually sacrificed , large as that loss really was—amounting , he believed , to no less than 5 , 000 iri the course of the Iasttwo years . ' ¦ ¦ : . - ' ¦ ' ¦¦ ' ¦ ' . ' SirG . Grey had received many communications from persons interested in mines and collieries on the subject of this bill , and he had supposed that those persons would have wished their own representatives in Parliament to have stated the same objections which
they had forwarded to him against the adoption of the measure . - No hon . member- having done so , he would shortly state what were his views on the subject . . , before he . tproceeded , he could not refrain expressing the _satisf action he felt at the circumstance of again . seeirig his hori . friend the member for Finsbury in his place . ( Loud cheers from both sides ofthe House . ); -He earnestly hoped the hon . gentleman ' s health ' would ; be completely restored , and that he would be enabled to take the same , active part in the debates of that House as he Bad heretofore been accustomed to do . ( Renewed cheering . ) He fully agreed in what bad been ' said as to the ; claim which thatlarge and valuable body of persons , namely , the colliers and miners of ; this country , had upon , the consideration of the government and of parliament with a view , to provide some remedy against thc oc-Currence ' of accidents * of so disastrous a nature' as
those which had recently so frequently occurred . He ' objected to mixing up the-question ofthe inspection of collieries with the question of wages , on the ground , _ofinexpediencyi ; . With respect to the educatiori of miners , following the example of France , _Belgium , aBd Germany , ' it was intended to found a mining school , such school to be in connexion with the Museum of Economic Geology . With regard to Mr . G .. Gurney ' s , experiments , for extinguishing fiW 8 in mines and for improyirig . ventilation , if they proved successful , which he . 'had strong reason to hope they woiild , he" hoped the owners of coal mines _woulda'doptthera . ¦ The subject was one which required rather . delicate treatment , and by _proceeding slowly , he , thought they would do more to * effect the object they _^ all had in view ,, thari if they grarited all that was asked for in certairi quarters , but which it would be impossible to effectl - - ' v _>
. " Mr . LAcyari'd Mr ; ! _MACGK _* EGon opposed the bill , and . the Earl of ; Lin coii * , urged : Mr . * Duncombe to _withdrftw ; ; it , ; as persons interested , but well-affected to legislation upon the . subject , believed tlie ' measure to be . impracticable , or , if practicable , mischievous . 'J ? v _-P"nc ° mbe wished _^ to have his principle affirmed ; _4 mfc finding- the senseof the House against _theseoondi'eading . of _thftbill _. hewithdrewit . - _> ¦ ¦ ; At six ; o , clock , the House _., adjourned untU twelve o . clock * on . Thursday . . ; - , - ¦ _*; ¦• ¦ - ¦¦
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> _PiJEQuisiiES 'of the Palace- ¦ an ; 'MAnsnALSEa Courts ' . — Returns " . ' moved by- Lord ' Dudley . 0 . Stuart , 'M _^ P . * , * give a list of the salariesand perquisites _deceived by the several officers ' of tho Palace and "Marshalsea Courts , and of the fines paid by counsel and attorneys for liberty to * practice in the same courts .. We , find that between 1838 ; a _' nd 1847 inclusive , £ 1 , 900 was paid aa fees by certain attorneys and barristers for licencei to practise in the courts ; lhe' amount of the . individual fee varied from £ 100 to £ 300 ( received . by the Lord Steward and Knight Marshal of her Majesty ' s Household ) . The ' above does not include the fines paid bythe two senior attorneys , at present practising in the said courts , they having been admitted previous to the year 1838 , and paid , the , one 'a'fee of 1 , 000 guineas , the other one of £ 750 ; . nor does the above _,, _ _-.. ... _'; . i _™ , _^ ivii ™;; , „ .. ; ; M . i . i ! nii « A
refcnrn include the amount paid by counsel and attorneys for the purchase of tlieir freehold , offices . The Secretary of the Lord Steward and the Secretary Of the Knight-Marshal , of the Household receive a fine on each ofthe admissions of tenguineas each . We now come to thc emoluments of the officers . In 1848 the Knight-Marshal and Judge of the Court , Sir-C . Montolieu Lamb , received fees amounting to £ 714 ; he also . receives perquisites of * £ 36 and £ 270 annually , as compensation ; for the loss of certain fees ; and in 184 G he received £ 60 as compensation for- other losses of fees . The fees received by Mr . William Brent Brent , the Steward and Judge of the court } in 1 S 48 , amounted to £ 742 . The fees received by Sir II . F . Campbell , K . C . B ., as Prothonotary of the court , in 1848 , amounted to
£ 780 ; those received by Mv . J . C . Hewhtt , as Deputy-Prothonotavy , & c , to £ 2 , 814 ; those received by Mr . William Ely , the Commori . Crier oi the Court , to £ 143 '; the fees received by the aforesaid Hewlitt _, as Clerk of the Court , to £ 31 . ; those received by Hicks , the summoning officer , to £ 118 ; those received by Joseph Holder Turner ( described as a " gentleman" ) an attorney , and one of the officers of the court , to £ 740 ; those received by Mr . B . E . Willoughby ( same office ) , to £ 1 , 547 ; those received by J . Dolman ( same office ) , to 2 , 377 ; those received by Mr . Mark Miller ( same office ) , to £ 1 , 444 ; those received by Thomas Hicks ( same office , to £ 1 , 349 ; and those received by Mark Shephard- ( same office ) , to - £ 3 , 537 . The number of actions tried ia the said courts , in tho year ended July , 1848 , amounted to 1 , 154 .
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_BiirrisH .-Wheat .-. Essex , Suffolk , and Kent , , s o 48 s , ditto white , 42 s to 45 s , Lincoln , Norfolk , and Yorkshire , red ; 39 s to 47 s , Northumberland arid Scotch , white , 39 s to 44 s , ditto red , 37 s to 45 s , Devonshire and Somersetshire ,, red , —s to —s , ditto wliite — to —s , rye , 22 s to 24 s , barley , _2-is to 30 s , Scotch , 24 s to 28 s , Maltordinary , -s to _—s , pule 52 s to 5 Gs , peas , grey , new , 30 s to 32 s , maple oOs to-34 s , white , 25 s to 2 "s , boilers ( new ) , 20 s to 31 s , beans , _ ] a _** ge , new , " 28 s to 30 s , ticks 28 s to 31 s , harrow , 30 s to 33 s , pigeon , 30 s to 3 i $ , oats , Lincoln and Yorkshire , feed , 17 s to 19 s . ditto Poland and potato , 18 s to " 22 s , Berwick and Scotch , 18 s to 23 s , Scotch feed , 18 s to 21 s , Irish feed , and black , IGs to 19 s , ditto potato , 18 s to 21 s , Unseed ( sowing ) 50 s to * 52 s , rapeseed , Essex , new , £ 26 to £ 28 per last , carrawav seed , Essex , new , 25 s to 29 s per cwt , rape cake , ± 4 £ 410 s per ton , linseed , £ 310 s to £ 10 10 s . per 1 , 000 , flour , per iack of 2801 bs , ship , 31 s to 32 s , town , 40 s to 42 s . Pobeios _* . —Wheat , — Dantzig , SOs to 56 s , Anhalt and Marks , 40 s to 4 Cs , ditto white , 45 s to SOs , Pomeranian red , 40 s to " 46 s . Rostock 42 s to 50 s , Danish , Holstein , and and
¦ red 40 t CORN . : Mask-Lane , July 2 . —English wheat comes . Still very sparingly to oui- market , but the foreign arrivals in tinlast week increased considerably , particularly from Odessa , having nearly 15 , 500 qrs . from that port alone . This , with the-continuance of fine weather for the growing crops , made the wheat trade dull this morning , though we had no alteration in the prices of either English or foreign . There was likewise less inquiry for flour . Barley for grinding was readier sale and rather dearer . Malt dull , unless very fine . Beans of our own growth are very scarce , and fine samples in demand at extra prices , but we had no improvement in foreign .- "White peas were duller sale / but fine grey are very scarce , and wanted . There was a good supply of foreign oats , and 2 , 300 qrs of Scotch , but many of the former being out of condition , good fresh qualities were in request at rather higher prices . - In foreign rye very little doing ; Linseed cakes continue dull sale . The current prices as under . ' - '
Friesland , 36 s to 42 s , _Petorsbui-gh , Archangel , "R _* g « r 3 Gs to 44 s , Polish Odessa , 37 s to 42 s , Marianopoh _, andBer . dianski , 35 s to 38 s , Taganrog , 34 s to 38 s , Brabant and French , 38 s to 42 s , ditto white , 40 s to 44 s , Salonica , 33 s to 36 s , Egyptian , 24 s to 20 s , rye , 21 s to 23 s , bavlcy , Wismar and Rostock , 19 s to 23 s , Danish , 20 sto 24 s , baal , 22 s to 20 s , East Friesland , 17 s to 13 s , Egyptian , to 17 s , Danube , 16 s to 17 s / peas ,, white , 26 s to i ! 8 s , new . boilers , 28 s to 30 s , beans , horse , 25 s to 20 s , pigeon , 30 s to 32 s , Ejjyp _** tian _, 21 s to 23 s , oats , Groningen , Danish , Bremen , and Friesland , feed and black , 13 s to liis , ditto , thick and brew , 16 s to 20 s , Riga , Petersburg , Archangel , and Swedish , 14 s to 17 s , flour , United States , per _l'JGlbs ., 23 s to 25 s , Hamburg 22 s to 24 s , Dantzig and Stettin , 23 s to 25 s , French per 2801 bs ., 32 s to 3 Gs . July 6 . —Thcre . was very little English wheat on sa ' e , and Us value underwent no alteration worth mentioning . Arrivals of Foreign wheat during the week" have been to a . fair extent ; the business transacted was at prices about equal to those of "Monday last . Fine barley and oats were the turn dearer ; but other qualities' were without change in value . Beans and peas steady , at previous rates .
BREAD . The prices of wheaten bread in the metropolis , are from 7 d to 74 d ; of household ditto , ' od to Gld per 4 Ibs loaf . CATTLE . _S-IIT-IFIE 1 . D , Monday , July 2 . — The supply of beasts on sale in to-day ' s market being considerably on the increase , aiid of excellent quality , the demand for all breeds was in a very inactive state , at a decline in the quotations realised on Monday last of quite 2 d per Slbs . The top figure for the best Scots was 3 s 8 d per 81 bs ., and at which a total clearance was not effected * . There was a decided fulling off in . the number of sheep . Prime old downs ( which were scarce ) sold at prices fully equal to'those obtained on this day se ' nnight . Otherwise , the mutton trade was far from active at unaltered currencies . We had a full average supply of lambs on offer , the time of year considered . Only a moderate business was transacted in this description of stock , at last week ' s quotations . Calves were in a fair average supply , and limited request , at late rates . The porlc trade was heavy . In prices , however , we have no change to notice .
Head or Cattie at _Smitufuxd . Beasts " ... .. 3 , 5081 Calves .. .. 319 Sheep .. .. 27 , 690 1 Pigs .. ¦ _ .. .. 245 Price per stone of Slbs . ( sinking tlie offal ) . Beef . / , 2 s 4 d to 3 s 8 d I Veal ,.. 3 s Od to 3 s 10 _d Mutton . ; . 3 s _* . 'd _..-i 5 Od | _l'ork .. 3 2 - ,. 4 0 Lamb . ; . ' . ' ¦ 4 s Gd to 5 s Sd . Per Slbs . ' by the carcase . Newgate and _Leabesuaii ., . Monday , July . 2 . —Inferior bebf _, 2 s 2 d to 2 s 4 d ; middling ditto , 2 s Gd to 2 s 8 d ; prime large ,- 2 s-lOd to' 3 s ' 0 d ' ;' prime small , 8 s 'id to * 3 s id ; ' urge pork ,-3 s 2 d to 3 s Cd ; -inferior' mutton , 3 s Od' . to 3 s 2 d ; middling ditto , 3 s . 2 d to 3 s 4 d ; prime ditto , 3 s 6 d to 3 s 8 d ; veal , 3 s _OdtoSs 8 d ; small ' _poi-k ' _. os Sd to 4 s" 0 d ; lamb , 4 s ( _Jd _* to 5 s 6 d . . _- . ' . ••¦ _: •• ¦ _*'••!; . '•• ;* •;¦ ' . Jult G . —The tone of trade this . ; . iiiorning was better for mutton and veal than ou Monday ; or oh Friday" last ; and higher prices were ' obtaiiicd for both : ' . _Calvesi '; 'of the finest quality , went at 4 s ; inferior _riieat at 3 s Gd .. -The lamb and beef trade were , however , ' not quite so good . ' Pork steady . r ''!; : _piiofisioss . '• • -
' * LbspoN , July . * 2 . — Thearii _^ als . last ' week' from Ireland _vi'bre'fl'OSO firkins butter , ' _andUWO' bales bacon ,. and from foreign ports , 8 , 980 casks butter , and 2 , 890 . boxes and bales bacon . ' The butter market lias ruled very quiet during the week , and business transacted to but a limited extent , at prices the turn in favour of the buyers . Dutch having declined from 74 s to 72 s , influenced the deriiarid for Irish . Bacon continues in request , and a further-advance of 2 s per c * vt , realised ; sales of best Waterford made nt 72 s to 73 s on board , and 72 s to 74 s landed . American supports the late' advance , Stocks and deliveries for the wcel- _* -endingJune 30 th . ' *' ¦ . English Butter Maeket . —Trade with us is ' very dull indeed , and prices " still present a downward tendency—all being ¦ ' rioniinal , except for best qualities . Tlio supply of fresh . ' butter is abvundant ; and beyond the wants ofthe market . Dorset , fine weekly , .-70 s to 80 s per cwt , ; do . middling , GGs to 70 s _jDevonj do ., ' GSs to 72 s Fresh _Euckinghamshn-e , 8 s to 10 s per dozen ; do . '' -West Countw , _SstoOs .- .
FRUIT AND VEGETABLES . Coyest Garden , Monday ,, July 2 Asparagus 2 s to 4 s per bundle ; strawberries 3 d to Is , and raspberries Gd to Sd per pottle ; peaches , 35 s per dozen ; cucumbers , Gd to 2 s _6 d per brace ; green peas Sd to ls , _greeufdu > _-rants 4 s to bs , gooseberries 2 s 6 d to 8 s tid , aud spiuach 4 d Jo Gd per halt - sieve-, summer cabbages , 6 dto 9 d , _cauhflQ _* we _* rs , lsto 3 s , and horseradish Is to ' - _' sper dozen heads ; - turnips 2 s to 3 s , carrots 4 s to 6 s Cd , onions Is to 3 s , turnip ' radishes Sd to lsy and greens , 2 s to 2 s . Gd per dozen bunches ; ' pinc apples 5 s to 7 s , Hothouse grapes 6 s to Ss , ' c * _iemes . 3 d to Is , and new potatoes Id to Gd per ft >;' ovangesGslta 16 s , lemons 5 s to 9 s , and French . _beans-Sd _. _to-ls'Sd ' . ' pfe ' r hundredmushrooms Gd to ls per punnet ; " cos lettuces Od to lOd per score .-. ¦ ¦•¦¦ - ¦ ¦ _- . _•• -. .-.- ¦ _-.-: ¦ . - .- "
.- ; .... _, : _oolosiai _^ produce . ; v _" T . _OS-D 05 _* , July 3 . —The sugar market has been _imusuallv dull , as importers are unwilling to sell on the * eve of a reduction in the" . duties .: 150 hhds . of Barbadoe ' s ' sold in pub lie saleat very . full prices , and . about 120 hhds _.-of-West India by private , contract ; "! of other descriptions 300 bags oi Madras ; only were offered , arid did not alter ' generM qU 0 tatfons . ¦ The refined market Jias been dull , prices unaltered . , - -.. a . ; ¦¦) , . ¦ _* . - ; . _'; _ 'Coffee has been inactive ; _-300 bags and 50 casks plantation Ceylon were offered , aud nearly bought hi . No native Ceylon offered in public sale , arid but little demand by private contract . * Prices remain ' unaltered ; - * Cocoa was held forlugh prices ; and chiefly withdrawn . . _UicE . _withput alteration ; the demand limited . ' Tea . has been dull of sale to-day . ; _h . ; -, ' : 'The amount of business done _to-flay in the produce market has been below an-average one , and the- - attendance in the Lane has been thin , biit the excitement ofthe city olection will partly account for-if . ' , _S ' ¦ ; ' '• ! ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ¦ ' •¦' - _'' ¦' -. - ' - _- ' .. '" _i- _-,-v : - _'COiti * " _- " ¦ _-. ' ; _- ' . ''
( Price of coals per ton atthe . close of the ' market ) ¦ _LosDosf , July 2 . —Factors : generally succeeded in getting Gd advance oh . last day ' s prices . _AVesti Hartley , 13 s 9 d ; Carr ' s nartley , " l * 3 s 6 d * ;' Kde _* i _* Main , 15 s 3 d ' ; " Wall ' s End Adelaide'Tees , _; 15 s Cd ; Wall's Eud . IIetton _. _-lCs Od ; Wall ' s EttdLambton _,-10 s" 3 ' d ; "Wall ' s End-Ste > vart's , 17 s ; Wall ' s End Brown ' s , * 13 s Cd "; ' Wall ' s End Hedley , 14 s " _Ud . •* . Ships-at market ; -110 ;; sold , 81 . * _.- ¦
CiTr ,: Monday , 'July * 2 : _^ -The' -hnports . of wool into _Loudon last week were very large / including about 2 , 500 bales from" Van Diemen ' s Land /; 4 ; 5 l 4 . from Port '' 'Philip , 5 , 343 from Sydney- 517 'from ISew Zealand * aiid ' s ' niallcr parcels . 'from Germany , the Cape _,- & c . -The market is quiet , as the _lai-ge public sales _will'be on agaiii next week .. -
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Northern Star (1837-1852), July 7, 1849, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/ns3_07071849/page/8/
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