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Jpou that poiet te felt bound to atk for information . Che country was now placed in different circumstances rom those under which , former treasures of coercion had teea demanded—under which the application for extraordinary potters met with the ready comp liance of Parliament . In relation to snch demands Parliament stood in a position almost without precedent . The last tune those powers had been demanded they had been refased , and properly refused . ( Hear . ) They had been demaadedbjtheReaUetnen who nsnally occup ied tbege ( the Treawry ) tenches , and refused by those who at present occupy them . And had that been npon' a " 6 «" « ccarion ! The fate of an Administration had hung upon it . ( Hearhear . ) The right bon . baronet had
, teen driven from power because he had asked and had been refuse * those powers which the house was now caled upon to grant ( Hear , bear . ) He ( Mr Horsmai ) could not forget the votebe tad then g »« n > » e active part which , in his limited sphere , he had taken in promoting the result that had then occurred , cr the pround upon which he and hi « friends had then acted . Itwunotb : canse they had no confide&ce in the right hon . baronet—not that they had quarrelled with his particular measare—but because tfcey had wished to give the death blow to the coercive system . ( Cheers . ) The noble lord , in opposing that measure , had rested his argument against it upon that very ground ; he bad told the house that successive administrations had ap .
pliea the coercive policy , that it bad proved a mutate , and that the time had then come once and for all to bring it to an end . ( Hear , hear . ) He ( Mr Horsman ) had on that occasion quoted a protest by the late Lord Holland , in which he had said that the coercive gjstem had been injurious to Ireland for two reasons ; first , because the gentry and magistracy came to depend for their security , not , like die English gentry upon the affections and respect of their neighbours , but upon the presence of a military force ; snd secondly , became en . conragtd to postpone those healing measures without which Ireland a * a nation never conld be reconciled « England . ( Hear , hear . ) Well did he remember the cheers which had followed the speech ot a right bon . gentleman , sow a worthy member of the
Administration , when he had teld the house that as that was the first time in the history of the country that Par . Hament had refased those powers to the government , to the ; might ha assured that n » Parliament would ever be asked to grant them again . The question then was this —was the house about to retrace its steps ! He hoped not . If the statements of some who had taken an earlier par t in the discussion were to be relied upon , togtther with trose sources efinformation which were open to every ene , there would appear Vtbe * £ oubt as to the real parties by whom th » tranqaillityof Ireland bad been disturbed . The other n ' gfat the bon . baronet , the member forMnrylebone , had stated in a speech , with which there had been an appearance of concurrence in the house , that great blame was to be attached to certain associations in
Ireland , whose sole end and aim seemed to be to excite axenion and disobedience among the people in Ireland . ( Hear , hear . ) He stated that they held up the law to the poor man as his oppressor , as Ming to be his protector , and therefore not entitled to his allegiance . According to the description be bad heard , the poor man who was kept for some time on the verge of insurrection by the exciting addresses to which he listened—being kept for a Ion ;; time on the verge of crime , at last plunged into it . The law pounced upon him ; the law seized and made an example of him ; but those who were represented as the poor nun ' s instigators—as the real causes of the crime which he had committed—would the provisions of tie law touch them ! ( Hear , hear . ) An bon . gentleman whom be saw opposite addressed the bousethe
other evening in a short and impressive speech , which rivetted to an unusual degree the attention of the house , aa 4 which had retained it too —( hear , hear )—alluded to another subject which he seemed almost desirous not to allude to , but which had made such an impression on his feelings that he could not avoid it . There were tie priests in Ireland ; and as an English member standing ttere to legislate for Ireland , he was told of priests who denounced from the altar certain gentlemen by name . Same poor man , who hears the denunciation , goes and shoots the persons denounced ; the poor miscreant who fires the shot is seizsd ; but be , the not less culpable assassin—he who charged the weapon and directed its . a m—did the provisions of the law touch him * ( Hear , bear . ) Again , they had beard , they had read , they
knew , because it was stated from official sources , of wholesale tj etmente—of whele villages being sometimes turned out in a moment—the aped and infirm—the hale and the sick—all turned ont , their cottages fired over their beads , and themselves obliged to take refuge in » ditch without a roof te shelter them or a crumb to feed them ; the wret&ed outcast , feeling that the law was no protection to him , took the law into his own hands and revenged himself . The provisions of their law applied to him , he was apprehended for tbe crime and executed ; but the rich man who , by one despotic act for a moment jeopardised tbe lives of hundreds—did the provisions of their law toneh him * ( Dear . ) He ( Mr Horsman ) bad allu-ied to the agitators in Ireland , buthe hoped in doing so he should be acquitted of wishing unnecessarily to cast
a stone at any of those gentlemen by whom the agitation was carried oa . He had read the history of Ireland with eome attention , and he could BOt sisguiBc—he was not ashamed r afraid to avow his conviction , that every act Of justice to Ireland obtained from the British Legislature bad been obtained by agitation . ( Hear , hear . ) He had heard gentlemen in that house , bidding high for official situations , whoVadBtated within thelasteighteenmenths that if they had been irishmen they would not only have b « n agitators but Repealers , and for himself he did not hesitate t » say that if England had suffered hut a hundredth part of the injustice which bad since the union been inflicted on Ireland , England would now have been ong-wernable . ( H « ar . ) These were facts which they all knew ; these were things , which , in conversation .
they were constantly saying to each other ; and , therefore , although be could not approve of the exaggerations which Un-y wereaccustotned to hear poured forth at Condliation-hal '—although he could not in any manner approve of many proceedings wbieh the parties who took a lead in Ireland occasionally lent themselves to , still he must say that , these men being Irishmen—being lovers of their country , and seeing tbe missiles which she had to endure—and , according to Lord Devon ' s report , they ¦ were greater than were endured by any other country , and borne with unexampled patience and sabinigsion—he could not criticise their laBguage at all timeslie conld no more expect them to restrain their language en all occasions than he could expect them to forget thi ir conntry . ( Hear , hear . ) The whele ground upon which
the hon-e was asked to support the present measure was the state of crime tvhich was at present notorious in Ireland . Bus he mast say that to his mind , the mostdreadful , horrible , and appalling part of the many statements of his ri ght hon . friend ( Sir G . Grej ) , was not the nmrters ? hich he bad recounted—it was not even the still more painful fact that they could not get fte inha . bitants of the country , who saw fhe murders com-XttlKea , to assist in apprehending the assassin—these were i w . bad features of the case—but , to his mind , the most horrible part of the story was , that we had allowed this system to go on ever since we had known Ireland , and that up to this moment we had made no progress in tea dying it . ( Hear , hear . ) The right hon . gentleman bad shown that outrages and murders were very
prcvalem at present in Ireland—but rally there was nntbing surprising in that . He remembered hearing an hon . . member of that house spy with a sneer , that the bai ge : of horrors came round in the long nights of winter as regularly as the Christmas pantomime . He remembered thit the ri ght hon . member for Ripon ( Sir J . Graham ) produced the same sad tale last year ; that ha did so with a power and efiwet , which , ctrtainly , if anything cenld have done it , would have per « uaded the house to adupt the measure he had submitted to it ; bat even this statement fell flit upon the bouse . - Tbe hoase seemed to feel that it was Btale , flat , and Unprofitable . Lord Altuorp , in 1834 , went over the same ground . Even he was not original , for in 1825 , Mr Secretary Goulbnrn had done the same thine , while in 18 U , Mr
Secretary Peel had made the blood of the house run cold oa the same subject—and even in his case he was only repeating ' a thrice told tale . ' ( Hear , hear . ) From the commencement of the present century—ever since the naion up to the present time—Ireland bad been in the same state . In a speech made by Lord Clare in his place in Parliament , soon after tbe union , his lordship stated that he sho ' iUd bs happy if he could go to his bed at night without the apprehension uf having his throat cut before tbe morning , or seeing his wife and cfcildr n butchered before his eyes ; that he should be happy if he co : i ! 1 ride out unarmed ; bat that when he went out bit Irish servant brought him his arms as regularly as bis hat ; and he concluded his speech by offering a villa &ni six acres of land to any Eszlishman who would go
and resMe there for six months , being perfectly certain that the terms would never be complied with . He ( Mr Horjmjn ) begged to observe , that if any hon . gentleman would refer to that speech , it nonld repay him the pentsal . and would perhaps , surprise him to see that now , th ' rty-thtve yean later , Ireland was precisely in the Earns state as it was then ; that they wtre still deploring the sam : crimes , and tracing them to the same source not political , not religious , but all agrarian—and listen ingto the member of government whose duty it is to bring forward th ; tale of horror , as if they had heard it for th- first time , aad unless other measures were to accompany the one now before the house , they were following th * p ° raicious example of former Parliaments , and de . voting their energies to tbe eradication of symptoms , leaving the malady untouched . He had stated thus atuM , not merely in vindication of the course he had pursu-d . and the vote he bad given last ; ear , bat for a b tier reason—viz ., that he was perfectly prepared to
place all . the powers asked for in the hands of tbe A 4-ministration—and greater if necessary ; and if the state m n : s of crime were to be relied' on lie thought greater powers were necessary ; be was ready , be repeated , with p t * t c ^ co nfidence , to give them those powers , provided he saw an equivalent in the shape of remedial measures . Hi wi « hsd to see the remedial measures going hand in hand with the coercive measure . Having briefly adverted t the several remedial measures he considered ritcrs ; tiry , the hon . member concluded an excellent * p Wch in the following words : —I fee ! certain that the present government has with respect to Ireland an unugiai load of responsibility . ( Hear , hear . ) First , then is the mannjr in which they sneeeeded to office , pledging tbe-nselvcs manfully , and I hope sincerely , to remedial measure * , in opposition to a coercive policy . ( Cheers . ) There is this other responsibility ; that they entered upon the legislation of Ireland with one advantage which no other government ever ' posseessed before , and I doubt w&SJber i ° our time any government wi : l pasieEs ' agtin ,
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I mean tbe perfect alseBce of all party feeling . ( Cheers ) The government of Ireland was placed unreservedly in their hands—on thatpoint there was complete unanimity boh in and put of doors . Parliament had given them this absolute power ; courage and capacity to turn that power to good account Parliament had not given—but these , I may aisure them , are qualities that neither this country nor this Parliament will suffer to be dispensed with . ( Cheers . ) Mr W . Fagan said he should divide with Mr O'Connor against ttie bill . Lord Joceltn and Lord Bebrabd found fault with the measure for not being strong enough , and urged opo . i tbe government the necessity for much more stringent provisions ,
Mr P . Sckope had hitherto opposed all coercive measures for Ireland , but should not oppose the present bill , for it was mUdsr than he bad expected . He believed , however , that it was worthless for the object which it aimed at—the security of life and property in
Ireland . ,. , Sir R . Pebi could not resist the force of tbe appeals which Sir G . Grey had made upon him . Sir G . Grey had fortified his statements with io many horrible detaili of crime « s to leave no doubt that it was the duty of Parliament at once ts arrest the progress of one of themost sanguinary tyrannies whichhadever existed in the civilised world . He could not , he repeated , resist tho force of the appeal just made to the house , because it was precisely the same appeal which he had himself made te it three years ago . He agreed that measures of this kini were no remedies for social « vils ; bnt when be was told that there waBa secret conspiracy for tbe destitution of human life , that was such a scandal that no minor considerations should prevent him from assent .
ing to this measure . He would not postpone the . consideration of it until he had the remedial propositions before him . He would not enter into parley with the assassin ; for it was our duty , without reference to ulterior meflturei , to paralyse his arm at once . He then adverted to the consequences which were likely to ensue from adopting schemes of emigration , frompas 3 iaga new Landlord and Tenant Act , and from enacting various other-measures for Ireland , with the view of showing that < tny one who expected immediate relief from permanent measures took too ' sanguine a view of the power of legislation ; and after dwelling for some time on those subjects , [ referred to the remark of one of the Irifh members , that reparation was due to him ( Sir R . Peel ) for having been turned out on a
measure of coercion . Vow , the best reparation that could l » made to the last , was to assist the present government io passing this law . Hespeke not of reparation in a party sense ; for he disclaimed any wish to triumph over the present administration , and the prosperity of Ireland was his main consideration . He then entered into an investigation of some of tbe details of the bill , and intimated his opinion that it would te better to have a measure regulating the possession of arms throughout the whole of Ireland , than a fragment of a bill , enabling the Lord-Lieutenant to disarm the inhabitants of certain disturbed districts . He alto recommended the institution of a detective police ia Ireland , and impressed upon Government the necessity of giving a valid protection to the witnesses whom it might be called upon to summon into the courts of the law .
Mr Maurice 0 Cohhzll wonld not offer any active opposition to this bill because it trenched so little on the constitution . After a few words from Mr O'Cauag bak , Mr Dicxaeli explained that the long delay in bringing in tbe Arms Bill proposed under Sir R . Peel ' s administration had induced him and bis friends to oppose it . He considered" it much to the credit of the present govurnment , that being convinced ' of the necessity for a coercion bill they had brought it in at so early a period of the session . If their bill were not sufficiently stringent , on them tbe responsibility rested , and it was not a light one . He was glad to hear that an addition of 200 constables was sufficient to secure the safety of Ireland .
Sir G Gux expressed his satisfaction at the tone and tamper with which this bill had been received , and stated that the duration of it would be till the Slet of December , 1849 , and to the end of the next session of Parliament . He informed Sir R . Peel that a detective police had been ia the contemplation of the late Lerd Bessborougb . aad was now carried on under the auspices of Lerd Clarendon . He concluded his reply by stating that if crime and outrage should continue in Ireland , the government would not shrink from again coming to Parliament for fresh powers to protect tbe lives of Her Majesty ' s faithful subjects . Mr Waelet said that Mr F . O'Connor ' s intentien to divide the house would place many members , and himself among the rest , ia a painful posstion . He should therefore move as an amendment to the original motion , Tnatitisnotjusttoenactany bill of a coercive character for Ireland without enacting other bills for its relief . '
MrBaoTHEaTONhad opposed every coercion bill that had been brought into Parliament in his time , but he had snch confidence in Lord John Russell and the Earl of Clarendon that he should support the present measure . Mr Reynolds moved that the debate be now adjourned . MrFEARGDS O'Conhor seconded the motion . Strangers were ordered to withdraw , but Lord John Rceseu . urged the house to consent to the first stage that night . Mr Retsolds said that he was quite willing to withdraw bis motion for an adjournment , and to reserve to himself the right to oppose the bill in a future stage . Mr F . O'Connor thought that before withdrawing his motion the hon . member for Dublin ( Mr Reynolds ) might haTe asked his ( Mr P , O'Connor ' s ) permission to do so . ( Laughter . )
Mr M . J . O'CoNNEtL hoped the hon . member for Fins , bury wonld notpress his amendment on the present occasion . It was an amendment which might be better dUcassed on the second reading of the bill . MrS . CsAvroBD inquired whether , by allowing the bill to be brought in , be should be pledged to approve it ! Sir G . Grey assured the hon . aember he would not in the least degree becompromised b ; the withdrawal of the amendment whfeh fee bad seconded . That would not pledge him in any degree to an approval of the measure .
Mr 11 . J . O'CosNEli requested the hon . member for Finsbury to withdraw his amendment for the present , and assured the hon . member that if a Landlord and Tenant Bill , with other remedial measures , were not bronghtjn . he ( Mr M . O'Connell ) would ' go the whole hog' with the hon . member in supporting bis amendment at a subsequent stage of tbis bill . ( Hear , hear . ) Tbe house then divided on Mr Wakley ' s amendment . For the amendment 20 AgMMlU 253—013 On the question ,- ' That leave be given to bring in the bill , ' another division took place at the instance of Mr O'Connor . The numbers were : — For the bringing in of the bill ... 224 Against ... 18—206 The bill was then brought in and read a first time , and the house adjourned at a quarter before one o ' clock ' . TUESDAY , Kovekbee 30 .
HOUSE OF LORDS . —Divokce . —Lord BaouoHAH , in presenting a petition from an individual complaining of the excessive expense of prosecuting a suit lor divorce , urged the propriety of introducing a reformation in the system , which should enable the aggrieved poor to ob . taia justice , as writ as the rich . India . —The Earl of Ehinborocch , In moving for the production of papers ^ connected with advances made in India on the hypothecation of goods , observed that as several of the recent commercial failures had been of firms connected with India , he thought tbe house should have information as to the manner in which commercial transactions in India were practically carried on , so that it might be laid before the committee en commer . cisl distress . Ever since 1831 there had been complaints made of the manner ia which commercial matters in India were conducted .
The Earl of Auckland very much agreed with the noble earl as to the evil of tbe system of making remittances to England on the hypothecation of goods in India . The returns were ordered , and their lordships adjourned at half-past five . HOUSE OF COMMONS . — Ibish Rekbdial Mea . buses . —In reply to a series of questions from Mr 'J . O'Connell as to whether government inteaded to propose measures , and when , for giving employment to the destitute poor , in completing the works commenced as relief works , and left uafinUhed , for putting a stop to the progress of fever and checking the advance of cholera , for the reclamation of waste lands , and for placing the laws affecting the relation of landlord and tenant on a sound footing .
SirG . Gbet said that as a general notice only had bean placed on the paper to ask what measures government intended to propose to meet the distress of the present winter , and for the amendment of the law of land , lord and tenant in Ireland , he was not aware until a few minutes since , when a list had been handed to him , that a whole series of questions would be put as to the intentions of ministers with regard to public works , the employment of the people , the prevention of the spread of fever , and the reclamation of waste lands , coasequsntly he could not now state when they would be prepared to propose measures in reference to those subjects . H <> had stated , on a previous evening that government did not contemplate any application to parlla . meat for advances for resuming the relief works under present circumstances . Hehadal&o said that a large portien of the food destined far the supply of the people last winter remained in the government storehouses , and would be made available in the ensaing winterin
, those districts where the rates might be insufficient to relieve the destitute poor . As to the suggestion for making advances to the land , owners , to enable them to give employment to the people , and to increase the productiveness of the land , gevernment were not prepared , at present , to propose any farther measure upon that subject . He spoke , however , only as to their present in . tentions he could not say what mi ght be done at a fa . tare , period . A bill on the subject of the law of landlord and tenant had been prepared , and was now under the consideration of ministers , but he thought it would be neither wise nor expedient , but on the contrary , would rather tend to defeat their object , if , in order to satisfy the natural anxiety of Irish members as to the Intentions of government , they were within the next few days , and without ful l consideration , to lay that bill on the table . ( Hear , hear . ) He could not , therefore , pledge himielfas to tbe precise time when that measure would be introduced . .
Mr J . CCoBnriit gave notice—the answer of the right hon . baroaet sot being satisfactory to him—that he would move an atoendment , bringing the subject of Irish
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measures under the notico of the house on bringing up the report of the committee of supply , INTERVENTION IN SWITZERLAND . Mr D . tfB <* OIIAB . T wished to inquire of the noble lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs whether It was intended by her Msjes . ty's government , in the proposed intervention in the affairs of Switrerland , to interfere other than in the character of mediators between the belligerent parties , aad that only with their consent ! Vwcount Palhebstom . —The answtr to that will be found in the passage is her Majesty ' s speech which refers to the subject . I may here obierte that the original intention on the part of her Majesty ' s government was to abstain wholly from interference of aay sort of character in tbe affairs of Switzerland , but at the earnest
request of the government of France her Majesty ' s government have consented to offer , in conjunction with the other four po « v « s , their mediation to the two con . tending parties , with the view to bring about an amicable settlement of the difference between them ; her Majesty ' s government , however , make it & condition of their joining > wlth the other powers in that offer that it shall be left entirely optional to both or either of the contending parties in Switzerland to accept or reject it , and that the refusal of either to accept such mediation ihall not be made the ground for hostile measures or interference against them . ( Hear , hear . ) It is right , however , that Ishonldstatefurthw , that there is a distinct understanding requested by the other powers that that condltion should not be considered as in any way fettering them as to the exercise of any rights they may conceive they possess by virtue of any treaty . I think it due also
to remind the house that by a declaration aigned by the five powers in the month of November , 1815 , at Paris , those five powers declared that they guarantied the neutrality , the independence , and the inviolability of the tsrritery of Switrerland , such as that territory was defined at the congress of Vienna , under the treaty of Faris , [ 6 igned the same day it being considered thatit was for tbe interest [ of all Surops that that inviolability and independence should he preserved , and that the Swiss territory shouldbe free from all foreign interference . ( Cheers . ) Acting upon that view , we are ready to offer our friendly offices in conjunction with the other great powers to adjust the differences which have unfortunately arisen between the two parties in Switzerland ; but the government of Great Britain will not be a party to any forcible interference in the affairs of that country . — ( Cheers . )
Mr B . Oeboine asked whether there would be any objection to lay the papers and despatches relating to the subject before the house ? ; Titcount Palhebston said there would be no objection to lay all the papers before Parliament aa loonaa the transaction should be concluded , and , in reply , to a queition from Mr J . O'Connell , the noble lord added that the federal compact between the several cantons , which had been concluded in conjunction with the great powers , bad , as the basis of tbe confederation , the independen sovereignty of each of the component cantons , Mr D . URQ . OHABI wished to know from the noble lord whether her Majesty ' s government would be prepared to resist any attempt on the part of either of the other four powers to interfere by force ! ( General cries of 'Oh , oh ! )
Viscount Paluusiok—The house will , I am sure see that it is net a question for me to answer what the government ef this country might do in any supposed caie . ( ' Hear , hear , 'from all sides of the house . ) Cohhescial Cbisis . The Ccbbeh'jt . —The Chan , cellos of thcExcHiQCEB movedfor the appointment ef a select committee to inquire into the causes of tbe recent commercial distress , and bow far it has been affected b y the laws for regulating the issue of banknotes payable on demand . In so doing he entered into an elaborate statement , explanatory of the circumstances which had induced tie government to issue the letter of the 25 th of October , and of the causes which , in the opinion of the government , had chkflj contributed to the recent distress . Under the circumstances ofthecase . it was not
necessary for the government to apply for a bill of in . detnnity , but they felt that they , stood amenable to the judgment of Parliament for the course which they had pursued . The government in what it had done found itself between two fires . One patty stood ready to blame it for not sooner enterfering with the act of 18 U , aad another for attempting to interfere with it at all , It would be for the one party to Bhow that an earlier interference would not have been prejudicial , and for the other to show " that no benefits had resulted from that Interference when it did take , place . There were othera who attached blame to the gevernment because the in . teiference , when it did take place , bad net gone much further ; but the government felt that if it had taken a greater departure than it did take from the bill of
1814 , it would hare been acting against its own convictions , believing , as it did , that that act embodied the soirad principle for the regulation of the currency , and that in the main its operation bad been most beneficial , although the government was quite ready to admit that circumstances might arise in which it might be found wanting . The alarm and panic which recently prevailed were such that no Bank Act could have prevented the revulsion which ensued . It was therefore no condemns tion of the Act of 18 U that it ' had not preventedit . The government had interfered because it heleived that the circulation of the conntry was paralysed by the alarm and panic from which it became necessary to relieve it . In the opinion of the government the cause of the pressure which was felt was this , that there was , ia 181 C ,
an unexampled drain of available capital acting on a state of credit most unduly expanded . The right honourable gentleman then went into a lengthened account of railway transactions in 1846 , the commencement of the preientyear , and of the policy of the Bank during that period , animadverting with some severity on the conduct of that institution , for at one time unwisely letting out its reserve , and at another suddenly curtailing its operations by raising the rate of interest . The first failures that took place in August last were those houses engaged in the corn trade—failures which were scarcely to be wondertd at , considering the extraordinary fluctuations which had taken place in the price of corn—and failures which , in his opinion , were solely attributable to the miscalculations of those engaged in the
corn trade . He considered it unfortunate that the Bank had come to the decision in September to advance to the 14 th of October , on Exchequer bills , at five ptr cent . That low rate of interest had effected but little alteration in the business of the Bank itself , hut it acted prejudicially in giving an Ill-grounded confidence to many parties connected with the money market . Up to the month of October last there was no inadequacy of bank note circulation , nor was there any difficulty in obtaining that accommodation usually given in the shape of discounts by the Bank . Tha pressure , as he had already Eaid , had been caused by the abitraction from trade of available capital . To show the extent to which this abstraction had taken place , the right hon . gentleman first adverted to the amount which had been drained away by purchases of corn during the last fifteen months . The first cottof the corn imported from 1848 to January , 1817 , was £ 5 , 139 , 001 , of that imported from January to June of this year £ 14 , 180 . 000 , and of that imported from
July > o October no less than £ 14 , 210 , 608 , making in all £ 33 , 000 , 000 paid for corn during the lust fifteen months . With the same view he then adverted to the enormous railway expenditure which had taken place since the year 1811 . Tbis was one of the chief causes of the present distress , it beiDg impossible that so large a portion of the floating capital available for trade should be converted into fixed capital without a pressure being caused . As to the failures which had occurred , parties accoanted for them in two different waye . One party attributed them to the stringent opera , tion of the Bank Act , which curtailed the circulation . Another , to the undue abstraction of available capital , and the undue expansion of credit . He left the house to judge to which of these they were justly to be attributed , reminding them that he had alread y shown tbat the bank-note circulation was not materially contracted when this took place . On the last two days of September the demand for accommodation on the Bank had
increased to an extraordinary degree , and caused the Bank to make the announcement , which , at tbat time , had created so great a sensation in the city . Shortly after this , the government beard of the failure ef tome of the provincial banks , and of the formidable run which had taken place on one of the branches of ( he Bank of England , In addition to this , it was also understood that application had been made to tbe London banks by some of tbe Scotch banks for assistance , In this state of things , appealing to those most conversant with commercial matters , the government found tbat the Opinion was very general that a serious calamity would ensue , unless the government took some steps to restore confidence . It was with reluctance that he came to the conclusion that it was imperative on the government
to interfere . The accounts received on the Thursday and Friday , previously to the Saturday on which the government had acted , were very different agtothe state of things from those which had beea received before , In determining to act , two suggestions were made to the government—the first to authorise an additional issue of notes , but to limit this additional issue by a certain amount . The other , that the limit should be put on the minimum rate of interest . The latter appeared the better suggestion , and the governuunt determined that eight per cent , should be that minimum ; that , under the circumstances , appearing to be the most desirable limit . Unless the rate of interest fixed had been high , the importation of capital and bullion would hare been checked . The removal of panic was the end which the government had in view , and the step which they took was in their opinion the best calculated to secure it , He disagreed with those who alleged that it would have been better to have left it to the Bank to fix the rate of
interest . The result of the interference which had taken place had been prompt aad beneficial . He was happy to state that orders were now coming in from abroad—that the demand for cotton was increasing and that the prospect ef the manufacturing districts ' were improving . In addition to this , the exports to the r / ntfed states were considerably on the increase , and the general trade of the country was being rapidly restored to a sound ' and healthy state . It was urged by seme that the interference should have taken place earlier , but , in his opinion / by such a course the end of interfering would nothave been attained . It was maintained again by others , but he conceived erroneousl y , that when they did act they should have acted more largely and adopted a more extended sjstem of circulation and curwncy . The right hon . gentleman proceeded at some length to show that free trade Was not answerable for jt , as some affected to suppose—pressures as severe having afflicted the country when the protective sygtem was in its glory , Be then euloglied the acts of 1818 aad
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1811 . The former had been attacked , in its day with as much virulence as the latter , but those who now -object to it were fortanately few and select . And when , in future years , the people of this conntry took a calm survey of the events which ners now transpiring , they would attribute but a small portion of our present diffi . cutties to the latter . It was objected to the act of 1811 that it had not saved us frem revulsions in trade . But no one who expected that it would do so had an ; great knowledge of the motives which generally actuated those engaged in the pursuits of commerce . But he thought that some such inquiry &s that now proposed before a committee of the house was absolutely indispensable in
the present stato of the public mind . K was desirable that tbe proposed committee should be constituted of persons ef various opinions , whoBe conjoint labours might result in throwing some light on the complicated problem sought to be submitted to them . It was not the intention of the government to propose any measure embodying the prlnoiple contained in the letter of the 25 th of Octoher—the state of the Bank being now such as to render it highly improbable that any legislative interference should be necessary . The right hon . gentleman concluded a speech which occupied nearly two hours and a half , by moving for the appointment of the committee .
Mr J . Wilsoh moved an amendment , limiting the inqulry of the committee to how far the recent commer . cial distress has been affeoted by the laws regulating the issue of bank-notes payable on demand , ' and In doing so agreed with the Chancellor of the Exchequer as to the Imperative necessity which existed for the appointment of the committee . But he deprecated extending the inquiry of the committee to subjects not immedi . ately conneotad with the great question which was now agitating the public mind . He would confine its inves . tigation to the subjects of banking and currency . There was a want of confidence in the existing law which wonld not be removed until a thorough inquiry Wek place , and a report favourable to the law was obtained frem the committee . There were also several points to
which the publio mind was bow alive , the first of which had reference to the allegation that those who contended for . the convertibility of bank-notes wished to fix the price of gold . But he denied that by attaching to an ounce of gold the nominal value of £ 917 s . 10 } o ., they , in reality , fixed Us price , The next point had reference , to the usury Uwb . Much inconvenience was felt from tho feet , that a portion of those laws had been suffered still to exist ; aad he believed that the committee , if appointed , would so report . The public were also beearning more generally convinced of the necessity of maintaining a single standard of value . Great Inconvenience had lately , been experienced by the Importers of the precious metals , who recently found that they % l «*™* An Idea was
^ . ^* : * : » ' , therefore , abroad that tbe Bank of England should be aUowed to issue notes on silver , whilst it weuld fee obliged to pay them la gold . But this would be like permitting the Bank to issue notes on sugar or any other commodity , fluctuating to value He did not think that the legislature had acted withdis . cretion in allowing the Bank to hold any portion of its bullion in silver , at the time of the passing of the act There was another idea gaining ground , to theiffect that the Bank , In order to have more pewer to correct the foreign exchanges , should always retain in its hands a certain portion of . the securities of foreign states But such securities were more efficient , as tha means of correcting the foreign exchanges , In the hands of private bankers than in tho 8 eof the Bankof England . As
to the Bank Act of 1844 , hopes had certainly been held out that its effect would be materially to lesson the pro . bahility of over speculation , and of extreme fluotuation In prices ; that It woald check the fluctuations which had taken place in the currency , and diminish the chances of panic and pressure * That these expectations had been ill . founded the events of the past two years amply proved . The fundamental error of that act was that those who framed It confounded capital with circulation , currency with bullion . The ohioet which It had ia view was to regulate the internal circu . lation of the country by the foreign exebasges But Ibis they should not attempt to do , nor should they do so could it be done successfully . The hon . gentleman th « a proeeeded to show that the act in question had
failed in meBt of the objects which it was enacted to ac complish . The Bank had failed In attempting to ex . pandor contraot . lts speculation at pleasure , as i t was alleged tbat under the act it could readily do He totally denied thepowerof the Bank bo to affect Its circu . lation when it pleased . The act was based also upon the assumption that immediate convertibility was not a sufficient guarantee against the depreciation of the bank-note . But the convertible bank-note could not be iBsued in excess , and he therefore maintained that its immediate convertibility was a ' sufficitnt guarantee against depreciation . The hon . gentleman then showed from recent experience , the impossibility of the Bank
being able to contraotits circulation , as it was intended to do , in the face of an adverse foreign exchange . He thought that sufficient attention had not been given by the legislature to the subject of Bank deposits . Thty had fallen into the error of almost exclusively confining their attention to the subject of circulation . He waB not sanguine that anything . which the bouse or proposed committee could do could prevent the recurrence of crises like the present . But he was sanguine that by giving the public the fullest information that parliament could afford it , the house would put it In the power of the public , by their own efforts , materially te mitigate such crises in future . ,
Mr T . Babino deaied that the existing pressure was justly attributable sither to over-trading or to a want of capital .- He likewise denied that the Bank ef England had overtraded with the government deposits , and ex . pressed his surprise thatsuch a charge should havebeeh preferred against it by a Chancellor of the Exchequer who at the commencement of tbis year had bo over , traded In Exchequer Bills as to reduce them to a discreditable rate of interest . He believed that there had been a great overtrading in corn ; but the goverumeut was the cause of it , for during the whole of last session it waB passing measures under the Impression that It was almost impossible to get corn enough to supply our wants . He knew well that for years past colonial property had been constantly depredating ; hut even the arlsi
pressure Dg from that cause , especially so far as the West Indies ware concerned , was attributable to the measures of Ministers . After the eulogium which Sir C . Wood had bestowed on the bill of 1814 he was surprised to find that he proposed to inquire into Its operation ; but bis Burprlse was diminished when he found at the close of his speech that he wished to correct the composition of the Bank directory . The ftlwmgwt condemnation of the act of 1844 , which he admitted that he had himself supported when it was first proposed , was to be found in the following- facts : —that it bad not prevented the crisis ; that it had not checked it after it had occurred ; and that an in . fringement of its provisions had become absolutely necessary . Sir C . Wood had proposed a committee to inquire into its operation and into all other questions .
What would be the result of such a committee ! That the evidence would be reported without any report from the committee—that the government would take the recess for deliberation—and that tbe conntry would be left under the strict regulation of an act which had been tried and found wanting in one important particular . He then proceeded to show that much evil would have been remedied if the government letter bad been written three weeks earlier , and if the rate of interest bad not been fixed so high as eight per cent . He could not go willingly into this committeeunlesshe recelved as assurance of what the government intended to do in case a crisis should occur during its continuance . He thought that a discretion should be given to the government and the Bank directors to suspend the , act of 1814 until this question of the currency was settled one way or the other .
Mr Robinson had no expectation that tho labours of the proposed committee would lead , to anything satlsfac tory , nor would he entertain any hope of the country bo long &s it persisted in the insane policy miscalled free , trade , . SirW . Moleswobth contended that the pecuniary embarrassments of the country , were to be attributed to artificial causes , and could not be traced to any deficiency of currency . It was not currency we stood in need of , but capital . We ought therefore to diminish the demand for capital and to Increase the supply of it—and this could only be done by putting a stop to the construction of railways on which capital was expended , and by attracting it from other countries to Great Britain by the temptation of large interest . He thought that the conduot of the Bank had brought tbe country into peril and that no censure could be cast upon th ' s government for the advice it had tendered to that establishment on the 25 th of Octoher . One word from the government on
mat occasion naa settled the panic and had restored confidence . But nothing which they could do at present could relieve us entirelyfrom embarraBsment , for he causes of that embarrassment were beyond theircon trol , and we must live like m « n who had expended our meana until we had restored th . m bv econnmv Sir William gave the following descrilon ' of hTrafl wajmaaia , to which he attribnted the greater nortion Of our recent pecuniar , embarrassmen , C or three years ago , the commercial affair . of the iJv r ^ pttttdg 4 (
SnTT r ° "« ** " £ « W H a bon to railroad , as profitable investment , for capital ; their poner of facilitating profluctlon , and economising capital ; the Iightning . like speed of their punier rams ; the cmaint , that they must ultimately ^ the face of tbe country , that every town of any import ance and every district possessing either agrlculS or mineral wealth , must sooner or later have to » K all tbis had engendered such a fever foTrailroS tion , that but few had escaped t ^ contaK ^ w the community had beenoccumed £ T £ , ° ^ : Li » esi SSf ? r x ^ &xzxft&s s ^ eawaSiSar
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e xpeottng rapidiy to acquire the fortunes they never could obtain ; ' by honest and patient industry ; ' and men with : broken fortune ' s , crippled with (; debt ,, traders on fictitious capital , swindlers in f thegarb . of . merchant prinoes , impostors and deceivers of the publio , had clutches at these speculations , in the hope of putting off the day of reckoning , and postponing , for a tiao the inevitable crash . It mattered not where the , railway waste be . Railroads over . desolate mot > rs , through de . cayed towns , to . harbours without commerce ; railroads up impracticable gradients , snd through Impossible tunnels ; railroads in Spaini railroads In India , railroads
in Canada , all had found eager purchasers for scrip at a premium . Successful speculators , had been crowned and worshipped . Thousands and thousands of pounds had been subscribed on their honour . They had been travestied ' into statesmen , and a aet . work of iron had been prescribed ai the remedy for the . famine and miser ; of a starving people . In that wild and univertal worship of the demon of speculation a large portion of tbe community bad undertaken to provide witbin a limited period of time a greater amount of capital than they themselves possessed , or than the country could have immediately spared for permanent investment . ( Hear , hear . )
MrCiTLET obscrvedthat tbe statement of the Chan , cellor of the Exchequer had given him no satisfaction , nor was It likely to give any to the country . The commercial classes bad now a right to look for thelm . mediate suspension of the Bank Act . It was not the time when a house was on fire to investigate into the qualities of the water which was about to be med for its extinction , nor was it tbe time when tbe country was suffering from the act of 1814 to leave it in active operation , with all its sins upon its head , whilet'they wasted ten , twelve , or eighteen months in investigating by a
committee into its nature and action . The Government had vindicated their conduct , in limiting the Bank to a minimum rate of interest of eight per cent ,, on the ground that thereby they would draff foreign capital into the conntry ; but if that was their object , they bad better have left the purpose alone . Mr Ubquhabt moved the adjournment of the debate . Ibe debate was theu adjourned till Thursday ; and as there was no important business on the paper for Wednesday , tbe bouse , on the suggestion of Lord J , Bussell , adjourned till Thursday .
( From our Setond Edition of latt ueth . ) ¦ :: ¦ ' HOUSE OF LOBDS . TncBSDAT . —Earl Sfbnceb brought up the answer to the Address . : ¦¦ ¦ ¦ : - - The remaining business was of no importance .
, HOUSE OP COMMOHS . TaoBSDAT , —Jewish Disabilities . —Lord John Rob . bell gave netioe that this day fortnight he would bring in a Bill for the further reluf of her ' Majostj ' s Jewish subjects from civil and religious disabilities . Bokan Catholic Disabilities . —Ur Anstet moved for leave to bring in a Bill to amend ' the law relating to Roman Catholic Charities . Also a Bill for the further repeal of penal enactments against Roman CatholicB on account of their religion . Leave given . : ¦ ,: The house shortly after adjourned . : [ Ftm our Third Edition of last wetfc . ) H 0 U 8 E OP LORDS . Fbidat . —Eabii Obe y presented copies of the conesposdence between the , government and the BaBk on the rate of discount , when the noble earl stated the cir cumstances attending the transaction in question . A conversation followed , but no business was transacted .
HOUSE OF COMMONS . Fbibay . —On the motion of Mr Labouchere , a select committee waB appointed to consider if any and what improvements can be adopted in the mode : of conducting the private business of the house , The Bahk asd the Railways . —The Chakceuob os the Excheodeb , la reply to Mr Ewart , as to whether it was intended to give the Bank of England authority to increase its issues beyond the amount of £ H , 000 , oeO . in consequence of the void caused in the circulation by
therecenl failure of private banks , stated that he had not received any application from the Bank on the Bubject . Tbe right hon . gentleman , in an explanatory speech , moved for leave to bring in a bill to extend the time for the purchase of land and the completion of the works of thoss railways which have obtained the sanction of the legislature , and also for the prohibition , for a limited time , upon the directors uf those railways whoie works are not commeBcea , from commencing tbe same until the consent of a given proportion of the shareholders shall haT « been obtained .
After a short discussion the bill was brought in and read a first timt , and a committee appointed on railway bills .. ' . " . A dlicttssionon the case ef the ex . Rajah of SattarB , arising out of a motion of Mr Hume ' s for papers , in which several hon . numbers took part , concluded tbe business of the sitting .
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MR WEST'S TOUR . ~ In my last I promised an account of my visit to Lowbands . On the Saturday evening I proceeded to the estate , and spent the night under the hospitable joof of Mr and Mrs Renham . On the Sunday morning I proceeded to visit the occupants , and it being the first time I had seen any of the Company ' s properly , I naturally experienced coHsiderable excitement . I had formed some idea of the place ; but , I must say , it far exceeded my most sanguine expeotations . The delightful situations of the cottages , and their picturesque appearance , was most striking . After accompanying Mr Renham and Mr Ford over their allotment s and viewing theirfine pigg and ducks , I visited my old friend Acklam , whom I had known in Baroslev . He was in the best of snirito
and looked the picture of perfect health . Hib allotment is in an advanced state of cultivation . He has three pigs : and both himself and wife expressed themselves as ' . happy as theday is long . ' I next visited Farmer Lee—I call him farmer , for , io my mind , his allotment is the best laid out that I visited . HiSi wheat was all in , and beautifully trenched . He has two fine sons to assist him . I SBked him if he would like to go back to the factory ? His answer was , No ; I have been in three factories for twenty-one years , and I think I haye done enough for them , and I mean to live and die here . He took me round hia ground , and showed me a . fin * ( at pig about fourteen score weight , the finest I saw upon the estate . I inquired of his wife and daughter , 'if they wished to go back to Lancashire ? ' They said , £ ' No , we are contented and happy . '
I next visited Dennis , from Nottingham , and found him constructing a place for his rabbits . He has a most splendid crop of potatoes ; bis cabbageB and winter crops are as fine as any I have seen on Yny travels . I asked Mis Dennis' how she liked it V She replied , Ob ! Mr West ; tell them when you go baek to Nottingham , that though I am turned three score and two , I would not go back for £ 100 . ' We were here joined by Kershawand some more of the allottees , and it was pleasing to witness the kind greetings of the neighbours , and their inquiries as to how each was getting on . ¦ ¦ I proceeded to friend Addison ' s , from Manchester . Mrs Addisoa received me very kindly . Their mod oi is
poraroes truiy amazing . There was one fine specimen that I coveted , but he told me that was for Rankm , of Manchester ; and , as I could not promise to convey it safe , I would not take it I soon however , got another ; besides others from different parties , that I have exhibited in Devonshire , and which have excited the astonishment of the ' natives . ' AddWafarm is wel laid out ; besides his pigs , he has agoat in kid which will shortly be able to ' sup . n / nin , ira Wl h I ? ' Hi b ° y-the ™ y Picture of health-contrasts etrongly with the poor factorv slave . Here I was joined by a Mr Morgan from Worcester , * joiner , and . a shareholder ; who wS Km ™ Tif "• n 0 Ver t 0 see the estat ° and Judge for himself . He accompanied me round the estate On our way , he enquired if any were disnnRpV * ta nii
^ K ^ SffS .-S&i S «? ? S---how - hJ t ?\ £ J ? T e * before , I asked him « TaI * hk ? J } V He rePlied . ' v « y well . ' I asked him , ' Did he think it weuld answer ?' -a 3 I Knew ne left a good business in Stalybridge . His answer was , drily , ' Well , I'll try . ' We next visited Suter and his fnmily—he took us round and showed us his farming , and explained to us low he was making an experiment on ' Sillett ' s Plan . ' He seemed to bo extremely cheerful , as also his good wife—indeed , all the women whom I nnpu .
Uoned seemed and expreseed themselves ' well contented with their situation , and I take them to be a good authority on such a subject . After seeine his pig and other things , I proceeded to Mr Pie 8 whom we found conversing with a neighbour . It seems that his potatoes had been very much diseased and he seemed much downcast-he eaid he felt ™« h anxiety about the coming winter ^ We found ^ n ever , that he had three pies feedine VZ ' ^ ow * nS . ° v ° " !" h 0 UB 0 ' beBldea ™^ to fatten his BtattafflTir al 8 ° looked wel 1 ' W ? ffi 3 ¦ smmmm ii
«« uy terms paw with his holding , We Droeeedpri Sfirtf- othe £ ' spaoe wii 1 »<* * SSS wiS K - . ? J t . vi 8 ited the "tool , from whence we had a splendid view . Mr Morgan m " nutely examined everything , as he told me that he li ; LV ofor , i d that the build' « g 8 were mere shells , tha ; would last but a very short time . He There t , 1 , p ^ ITr " P aid for ^^ ' ^ h , 3 l t u thlng that J mu 9 t mention , that the turnips , from being sown so late , areaperieot ' failure , allotti ? u Dd Ot S , ? r difieiD 8 them » P- The ? . « ! L to d mB t hatI must state nothing but the truth-they are the best judges whether , in thiB brief account , I have done so or not . I returned to Glou-WBter with ' Mr Guy and : a party of frienda , well
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. leased with my journey , and secretly wishmTtkjK n ad been my lot to be cast amonest them 8 tha « # On Monday I proceeded to Exeter wWt Bfffl warmly and hospitably received by onr & # ^ friend , P . J . O'Brien , late of Plymouth aft # ' wallj the large room of the AthZnm t Co building ) , had been taken for a meetins ™ ** a & mt was the flnt time there had been a nub ^ T " «*< t on the Land question , the excitementTaad n me . et i « - ' # were veiy great . In the eveniBg Mr O'Rrinli 10 8 iSK escorted me from Havill ' a Temperance S 5 ba ' place of rneetirift * hich was then denselvS * ? Writ hundreds not being able to gain adSn ^^ flF ^ cood friend of the workine classes WT 8 i £ ' Th « toe »
son , Esq ., late mayor of Exeter , was c * yiLa " ll kifiil ° chair , and opened the business in a d , Wn j - to and explicit manner , commenting with mi « f ' . cle a fltart ness on the various pointe of the LSnrt D ? * l ^ lti addressed the meetingfor nearly two SnTi | lE the dose , a Mr Teague , reporter to Wnn and Gajbttb , put aseries of questions , which w « W ? , ¦^ 1 down in writing , all of which I answeredT l " ^!^ other persons seemed disposed to put other ' nn J 4 ^ but the proprietors of the Room said that t * ? wffct was the usual time for closing , and as that w L Biei now arrived , they could notallew the dln "• hl » S proceed farther . At this I expressed S 8 l 0 D #¥ but promised that on my next visit I would , n efire «* parties to put their questions first , and fooB . r "P ^ lecture on the answers to their objections 5 MP Tuesday I went to visit the grounds of Mr bZ \ PMw
tieavnree , wno nas ootaroea a patent for dfscnv -Mim in agriculture , and agricultural implement a hv » v w £ to he purposes to make the very worst land , inrfJKfi years , equal to the-best , and pay ten per cent » £ » $ in the transition state . I saw some of his ODernr W »* whioh were very ingenious . He wished the Com 2 ! B # to take advantage of it , and I instructed him "fl 6 « communicate with the directors on thesubiW Mm night I met the members of the ' LandKmS Jim held amost interesting meeting . MrpffiB ' hSSi a very interesting plan of a fimMoomedI ntfaSP * when it was agreed thafhe should construct aSSi and submit it to Mr O'Connor . I itionSffi things , to show the interest that is taken in the uWB Plaahv-tt . MM »« fDevon . IA * iaaSJJW
mum me reams oi my lecture was the taking unoHlji twenty-eiehtshares . On Wednesday . IaccomnaniMi Mr Havill toColIumpton . where I found SSp » i men ( weavers and combers ) , dreadfully oppressed hR one man a Mr Upcott , a manufacturer , who is'ki W nnit ^ fT- ? braV ° a Of Tiv « ton , " o lili < «? w . S * T 5 ? ^ » a 8 Bi 8 t their bretbreJbe and with a band of music played up to theToJlf Fellowa'Room , where I had a very good meethSt with very good results . ' i " " * "WunjBfl , On Thursday I proceeded to Tiverton . the scene M ® my friend Julian Harney's triumph . They had got T t u ffJ ° ' i-1 ^ ° T . Cond ' * tfi | i I should introduce no politics . I had an interviedirr with the mayor , who stated to me theterms H ' replied , that as rty friends had given their wor ' d % ? .
felt myselfrbound in honour to abide by their acre * * ment . I had a fine meeting at night-Mn RowcliffS * Town Celncillor , in the chair—and lectured on thfi « Land Plan for two hours , and gave evident satisfacHis tion . On the Friday , as it was known Mr Wilkiaso 3-and Mr O'Brien from Exeter would attend , to hold S « meetine on the Charter , it was agreed that we shonlfl * assemble in the Guildhall , and after half an houfl adjourn to the large room of tbe Half Moon IudH ' We did so , and had a splendid meeting which lastemj * till nearly one o ' clock—Messrs O'Brien and Wilkinfl f son made most effective speeches , with which tfafl 1 meeting seemed highly delighted . Mr Harney hafl t kindled a fire here which will not be easily extinH '
guished ; Lord Palmerston . had better look out ifl time for another seat at the next election , for it I evident the Tivertonians will have him no more-jS ' faot they are as Sne a set of fellowa as ever I met M : returned to Exeter , and proceeded with Mr O'Brieafl 1 to Teignmouth , where I met our friend Edwards andB Mr Crews , and after arranging some county businesB I proceeded to Torquay , where I held a most imffl portant discussion on Monday night , of which I sbalS give an account next week . —John West . M ' MERiHra Ttdvil . —At the weekly meetin » of thai second branch of this town , after an able address de-B livered by Henry Thomas Cooper , the following mlM lutionu were carried '— 'That it is the opinion ofB ' this meeting , that the hireling press-gang ought to beB lodged in their own bastiles , and fed upon its pauperfl
fare for ten years , by which time it is surmised thevB would be brought into their senses . ' ' That it is the fl opinion of this meeting thatthe press-gang , tbe under *! handed supporters of the Malthusian creed , ou"ht to 1 be the first partakers of the fruits of its operation as they belong to the true surplus class . ' ' That our champion , F . O'Connor , is entitled to our unbounded confidence , and we tender our sincere and most devoted thanks to him for the able manner he has repelled the attacks of his and our enemies . ' Mr Manning , of Cardiff , recentljJectured to the members of No . 1 branch , on 'the Land and its capabilities . ' He was loudly applauded . Mr M . delivered a second lecture on the Charter . Mr Matthew John delivered a lecture on the Land Plan to branch No . 3 . The leoture was highly interesting .
WiiHAM . —Mr M'Grath lectured in the Mechanics ' Hall , in this town , on Tuesday evening week . Mr M'Grath spoke for about two houw , with his usual earnestness , after which he answered a number of questions , to the full satisfaction of his audience . Votes of thanks having been given to the chairman and lecturer , the meeting after having given three cheers for the Charter , the Land , and O'Conner , separated . Droylsdeh , —At a meeting called to hear a lecture from Dr M'Douall , but at which from some unexplained cause the doctor did not attend , the following . resolution proposed by Mr Dawson , seconded by Me S . Taylor , was carried unanimously : — 'That it is the opinion of the members of the Droykden branch of the National Land Company , that the vile and slanderous abuse heaped upon Mr O'Connor by the
prostitute press , is an attempt to atop the march of Democracy amongst the people , by singling out one who has always Bhown himself the enemy of all abuses ; we , therefore , feel it a duty on our part , to express our firm and lasting confidence in Mr O'Connor , and thank him for holding up to acorn and derision the editors of the Dispatch , Lloyd ' s , the Examiner , and the rest of the press- gang . * LKDnnBT . —On Monday evening the 22 nd ult ,, a meeting of the Land , members washeld in Ledbury . Mr W » Smyth was called to the chair , Mr J . M'Cormack trom Steokport was present , and urged the necessity of forming a National Charter Association , in eon < junction with the National Association in London . Mr J . Bennett was appointed president , and Mr A . Huiah secretary . A vote of thanks was passed to Mr M'Cormack and the chairman .
ToDMOBDEN .-At a meeting of the members of the National Lund Company , the following resolution was carried unanimousl y . That having seen in the Manchbsieb Lxaminbr , from time to time , statements to the effect that they were writing only lor the benefit ot the operative and labouring dais , so that they would use nothing but truth and fairness in exposing error , we think it the duty of the editor ot the Exuukbb to publish the resolutions agreed to at a public meeting held in the Odd Fellows' ihV , Todmorden , October 21 st , and sent to ' that office We also thmkit the dui , of themtopublsh the latter part of , R . Oastiert letter to Joshua Uobson ; that unless this be done , we will publicly burn the said paper at the neztLand meetb g . forlving . holdiug back the truth , and meanly and basely promulgating libels against an individual for the nni-nnsn nf wnk .
ing up the National Land and Labour Bank . ' ifALKiBK . —Mr S . Kydd lectured to a numerous audience on Saturday evening last , in Bank-street chapel , on The objects and advantages of the Na « tional Land Company . Mr Hugh M'Lean in the Chair . Mr Kydd ' s address was of the moat eloquent and argumentative character , and elicited eatiiusiastio applause , Greenwich and Dkpiford . —Nov . 21 st Chartist Meeting Room , 39 , Butcher-row , Deptlord . Mr Sweetluve in the chair . The minutes ef the last meeting were read and confirmed . Mr Brewerton was elected as permanent delegate te the metropohtan delegate meeting . Mr Morgan gave notice of the tollowing motion :- That a part of the time of » nS ^ ri * h te f occupied m discussion or reading , and that the first subject for discussion be The Re ' volutions the enactment « f the Peonle'a ChX
jwm cause , politically , socially and morally , ' All friends awinvited to tab partin the discussion ! lne following persons contributed one shilling each for the executive :-Mea * r > Brewerton , Gibson , and Morgan . We hope others will come forward and subscribe according to their means . Doncastbr—A branch of the National Co-operative Beneht bociety is now opened in this town , and persons desirous ol being enrolled , are requested to call upon Mr John GrimBhaw , the secretary , Maoa Stratford . —Mr MGrath lectured recently at tbe cS j btrat { erd Mechanics' Institution , which was nlled with a most attentive audience . A vote ot thanks testified the approbation of the meeting . Folmont , mbar Famukk . -Mr Samuel Kydd favoured us with a visit on Monday week and gave us a . splendid lecture on the obiecis and advantages of
the Land Company . The plain and simple manner in which he laid down and defended his several propositions has won for him golden opinions am ong the tnends of tho good cause here . Truly our society ought to be happy in haying the services of such & man . None of your fellows who , for tho dirty tiros' ) would leoture upon anything , or for anything , is out friend , Samuel Kydd . Our meeting was excellent , although 1 the win < l blew as 'twould blawn its last , accompanied with smart showers of lain . Our room was well filled .
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Northern Star (1837-1852), Dec. 4, 1847, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1447/page/8/
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