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Tha above court resumed its sittings on Monday , . jjie proceedings were opened at ten o ' clock by the I Bjafc Hon . the Lord Major , the Becorder , Commo n Sergeant , Aldermen Sir C . Marshall and Lawrence , the Sheriffs , Under Sheriffs , and the other authorities of the Cay of London . It appears by j the calendar , that there are at present 21 § prisoners ' for trwl-AS 3 itw is * Raiotat CABRiAGB . —Wm . Griffin a young man of respeetablo appearance , surrendered ro wke his trial upon a charge of assaulting lbri * * } T ; 7 ^ - Haddl ^ tone , in opening the case , said that the directors of the South-Eastern BaiKay had felt it their duty to institute this prosecution account of the assault
on imputed to the defendant na « .. g been committed upon a person in hwUe circumstances , who was at the time a traveller m one of their trams . They felt that a person m such a position was entitled to receive protection from every description of insult and annoyw ; afhnJlpOn t -J e fa f coining t 0 their knowledge they considered ittneir dut ^ ^ fjbat the matter should be investi gated by a juryT The particulars of the case having beengivSin evidence , several highly respectable witnesses were then examined , all of w } l 0 m described the defendant as being entitled to the character of a wellconducted respectable young man . —The jury returned a verdict of Xot Guilty , and the defendant "Was discharged .
Robbery op the Brighton Railway Compact . — George Pearson Barrett , 40 , and Enoch Pearson Barrett , 37 , were indicted for stealing a truss of gOodB , the property of the LondoD , Brighton , and South Coast Railway Company , and Robert Abbott , 29 . who surrendered to take his trial , was indicted for feloniously receiving a portion of the Btolen property , knowing it to have been stolen . The circumstances of the case were reported at the last session , when the two Barretts were convicted of an offence of a similar character . The evidonce -went to show that Enoch Barrett was in the service of the London and Brighton Railway Company , and he was stationed as switchman at the Bricklayers' Arms Junction , and there was very little
doubt that he and his brother George had been concerned in a very extensive system of plundering goods * trains . ' Abbott , it appeared , was brotherla-law to the other prisoners , and resided at Uewport P * gnell , and upon the officer searching his Bouse , he found a watch and other articles , the produce of a robbery that had been committed npon the railway in 1 & 9 , and the whole of which he subsequently admitted he had received from the prisoner George Barrett . —Toe jury found all the prisoners Guilty of feloniously receiving the property , but recommended Abbott to the mere ; of the court . —Judgment was deferred . —On Wednesday the prisoners were brought up for judgment ,
when the two Barretts were sentenced to ten years * transportation ; and Abbott , who was brother-inlaw to the prisoner George , and had been convicted of receiving only a small portion of the property , and , was recommended to mercy by the jury , was sentenced to four months' imprisonment and hard labour . —Mr . Clarkion said that the company had instructed him to apply to the Court to exercise the power given by the act for granting rewards , apd extend it to Sergeant Carpenter , of the R division , for the zeal and ingenuity he had displayed in managing the case . —The Recorder said he entirely concurred with the view taken of the sergeant ' s conduct , and , having conferred with the alderman , awarded him £ 5 .
Auxced Assault . —John Tattersall , a tail person , described as an officer of Customs , was charged with an indecent assault upon a little girl named Amelia Holder . The prosecution took place by the direction of the Commissioners of Woods and Porests . —The occurrence which formed the Bubject of inquiry , it appeared , took place in Kensington Gardens on the afternoon of Saturday the 22 nd JIarch . The prosecutrix , a little girl , twelve years Old ;« was in the gardens with her sister and another girl about her own age and a little boy , and the offence imputed to the defendant was * alleged to have been committed in one of the alcoves . The case mainly depended upon the evidence of a man named Dunn , who was' employed , according to his
own statement , occasionally as a constable and occasionally as a gardener , but his story differed in some material respects from that told by the child herself . Upon cross-examination by Mr . Ballantine this witness also said that he went about the gardens » n plain clothes , and that his intention was particularly directed to cases of this description , and he also stated that he had appeared as a witness in support of similar charges at the quarter sessions , and upon two occasions the convictions ¦ were quashed , although he had spoken positively to the facts . —A number of gentlemen of hieh character spoke to the sound moral habits Of the accused . —The Recor&r , in summing up the case to the jury , said that undoubtedly the witness Dunn
had been contradicted in some of the main points of his evidence ; and , although he would not venture an opinion as to the plan that should be pursued with regard to the officers employed in the gardens , he certainly did think it strange that they Bhould toe allowed to go about in plain clothes , instead of appearing in sufficient numbers in uniform to " act as a protection to the persons frequenting the place . — The jury almost immediately returned a verdict of 3 fot Guilty , and they added , that they could not place any reliance upon the testimony of the witness Dunn , and considered him an improper person to he retained in his present capacity . - —A second indictment charging Mr . Tattersall with committing a similar offence upon a child named Ellen Baldwin , was disposed of in the same manner .
The court wa 3 occupied a considerable time in trying prisoners for passing bad coin , for which class of offence there were no less than twenty-nine persons indicted this session . The modes in which theutteringshad been effected were of the usual character , and the evidence adduced proved that a great number of bad sovereigns and balf-sovereigns are in circulation , and in nearly every instance althongh the prisoners were apparently not known to each other , the coins had come from the same mould , and all very . cleverly executed . It may serve as a caution to mention that the plan most generally adopted with the imitative gold was bv going in couples and asking for change for agoo ' dcoin , and then ringing the changes , and in some inl stances one of the gang would enter the shop as a stranger , and whilst the change was being given ask for some trifling article on purpose to divert attention , or prevent the capture of the party if detected . r '
Dock Rootery . —James Bury , 30 , labourer was indicted for stealing Slhs . weight of indigo , the property of the East and West India Dock Company his masters . —Mr . Ballantine said he could not deny the facts , and advised the prisoner to retract h \ a pies and plead guilty , which he did , and it was then proved that prisoner had hitherto borne an excellent character , and had a wife and eight children . —The Recorder , in p assing sentence , said the only reason that should induce him to pass a lenient sentence on the prisoner was his previous good character , and tbo supposition that this was a single offence ; but still Ids offence ( a 3 servant to a public company ) was % bad one . He was sentenced to four months' imprisonment and hard labour .
Burglary . —Daniel Connell , 19 , was indicted for a burglary in the dwelling-Louse of Samel Gos 3 . — It appeared that the prosecutor resided in Herbsrt-Etreefci Hoxton , and that on the night of the 13 th of April all the family had gone to-rest , leaving the prenuHS properly secured . About half-past two o clock on the following morning , a servant girl , named Elizabeth Wimble , who slept ig the front Kitchen , was alarmed by seeing a roan in the room S u , i e bt ' an < 1 ia tbe Mtofransaekingabos . bhe had the courage and presence of mind however to remaia perfectly quiet until the man went out of the kitchen , and proceeded up stairs , when she immediatel y got up and ran to the front door , which fine opened and gave an alarm , the consequence of Wueh was that the prisoner was taken into custody as he was in the act of escaping from the premises by jumping over the garden wall . —The jury returned a verdict of Guily , and the prisoner was sentenced to be transported for seven years .
Kouso A Lusaiic—Samuel Hill was placed at the bar to receive the judgment of tbo court . It will be remembered that the prisoner , who was one of the keepers in a lunatic asylum , was convicted at a recent session of causing tbe death of one of ihe patients by violence . Baron Aldersou said , in Passing sentence , that the prisoner had been convicted of the manslaughter of one of the patients in a lunatic asylum , one of the principal witnesses against him being an unfortunate inmate of the establishment ; and a poiBt of law had been reserved for the consideration of the Court of Appeal , whether a person in such a situation was a competent witness . The point had received full consideration , and the judges were clearly of opinion that this person had been properly examined as a witness , an 3 that the only question waa , whether the statement made by the witness was of sueh a
character as would justify the jury in coming to the conclusion that he was giving a correct account of the transaction ; and in the present instance the jury bad come to that conclusion , and he believed that the learned judge who tried the case entirely concurred with them in that opinion . He was now , therefore , to receive the judgment of the court for a very serious offence—that of having , while engaged as a keeper and having the charge of lunatics , caused the death of one of them by improper and unnecessary violence . Instead of resorting to violence he ought to Lave been restrained by a consideration of the melancholy position of these nnfcappy persons from adopting any such procoedings , and although it was probable that he might have received some provocation from the wretched man wno had met his death at his hands , it was not any excuse for his conduct ; and , instead of being angry at what he did , be ought to have recollected his un-
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| happy state , and that he was not aware what he waa doing , and therefore his proceeding ought not } ° ^ e occasioned any more resentment in the breastof a Christian and humane man , than if it had been the act of a child . The learned judge : tnea seatenced tbe prisoner to be kept to hard labour for twelve months , from the date of his conviction . . Fobgeey . —Thomas Reed , 35 , wine-merchant , was 1 jodieted tor feloniously forging an acceptance to a I bill of exchange for £ 35 4 s . Gd ., with intent to defraud John Symmons . —Mr . Symmons , the pro 3 ecu-J tor , deposed that he carried on the business of a J wine-merchant , under the firm of Syraraonds and Son , in Fenchurch-street . Their firm had been in 5 sai ^ . - ?! i «>^» . ~¦»»«» mh .
- the habit of doing business with Messrs . Reed and Co ., wine-merchants , at Bath . On the 2 nd of April the prisoner introduced himself to him as Mr . Thomas Reed , a member of the firm , and believing him to he that gentleman they entered into a transaction for the purchase by the prisoner of twelve dozea of champagne on account of the Bath firm . At this time there was a balance of about £ 8 due From Messrs . Reed , and the prisoner requested him to draw a bill of exchange for that sum , and also for the value of the champagne , and he did so , and sent the bill and a delivery order for the champagne to 2 ? o . 23 , Bloomsbury . street , and in due course of post the bill came back , bearing the acceptance of " Thomas Reed , iun . " He had seen
Mr . Thomas Reed of the Bath firm on previous occasions , and the prisoner resembled him so much tbat he had no doubt when he saw him in the counting-house that he was that gentleman . —Air Thomas Reed deposed that he carried on business as a wine-merchant at Bath . The prisoner was hia twin brother , and his name was William . He had been a member of the firm for some time , but the partnership was dissolved about four years ago , and he had no authority to accept any bills on account of the firm since that period The bill now produced was a forgery , and he had no doubt that the acceptance was in the hand writing of the prisoner . — Baron Alderson then summed up , and after the jury had deliberated for a short time the foreman said
tbat the majority of the jury were of opinion tbat the evidence was not sufficient , and the others had yielded to that opinion , and therefore they found the pr isoner Not Guilty . —The learned Judge told the jury that their verdict must be unanimous . — Mr . Parry said that the verdict had been recorded , and therefore it was too late for the jury to reconsider the subject . —Mr . Cooper said there was a second charge against the prisoner , which he proposed to proceed with . —The prisoner was accordingly charged upon another indictment with forging an acceptance to a bill of exchange for £ 5114 s . 4 d . with intent to defraud the same prosecutor . —The circumstances of the case were precisely similar to those of the former . The prisoner went to Mr . Symmons ' s counting-house on the 5 th April and purchased twenty-seven dozen of champagne ,
representing that it was for the firm of Reed and Co ., Of Bath , and a bill was drawn for the amount , which was accepted in the same form as the one in the other case , and the prisoner ' s brother deposed that he believed the acceptance to be in the handwr iting of the prisoner . —Mr . Parry againaddressed the jury , and contended that there was no more evidence in this case than there was in the former , and that after the verdict they had given in reference to the former charge , they would be stultifying themselves if they came to a different conclusion with regard to this second charge . —Mr . Justice Talfourd having summed up , —the jury deliberated a short time in the box , aud then stated they were not likely to agree and wished to retire . They left the court at half-past four o ' clock . —Shortly after six they returned , and again gave a verdict Not Guilty .
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DREADFUL LOSSES BY FIRE AT SEA . Four most distressing losses by fire ha ? e been announced on the books at Lloyd ' s , involving , as may be supposed , destruction of property , to an enormous extent ; but it is gratifying to observe that the whole of the unfortunate crews belonsin * to the four ill-fated vessels saved themselves by means of the boats . Strange to say , the whole of the losses are reported to have arisen from spontaneous comhustion , and the circumstances are consequently of much importance to the shipping interest . The first on the list is that of the St . Clair a fine newly-built ship , belonging to Liverpool nearly 750 tons burden , chattered to take coals out by the Peninsular and Oriental Mail Steampacket Company to India . The ship was bound
tor Bombay , and every precaution appeared to have been taken , by means of air pipes , to carry off any foul damp that might be generated among the coals , as they have been known to do in long voyages ; notwithstandingr , however , when the nSErnff ? , T edlulai- 1 » . h « W . T 4 56 E , ; about the 4 th of February , smoke was fonn-1 issuing from below , and upon examination being made it proved to emanate from , the coals ; All hands were set to work to forage out the locality where the danger existed by removing the cargo , but , owingto the smeke and suffocating sulphurous heat that issued forth , the men were unable to remain below Water was then thrown down in torrents , which cOn ue lt » r ? ™ ** & but without
-^ : _ _ ^ . . pro dueing the slightest effect . The smoke and heat rapidly ' increased . On the 19 th it was ascertained tbat the whole of the cargo in the hold was one naming aiass , and not a moment was to be lost in launching the boats , and Baving all the water and provisions that could bo got at , and this having been accomplished , the crew and officers embarked and abandoned the ship . In a short time after she hurst into flames , and was quickly burnt to the water ' s edge . Her crew were exposed in the boats eight days and nights , but at length succeeded in reaching the Malabar coast in safety ., The second loss is that of the barque Rosiland , 450 tons burden , belonging to London , with coals from Newcastle for Aden . On her arrival off the coast of
Socatre , the crew were alarmed at finding the cargo was on fire . In vain they endeavoured to save the vessel from destruction , and resorted to every scheme to arrest theprogreBB of thefire . It was all to no purpose , aud on the fourteenth day it became dangerous to remain by the ship , her decks being burnt almost through , and the men took to the boats and left her . It is needless to add that the ship was totally destroyed . The third loss was the ship Ganges , a large barque , formerly a steamer b e longing to the Hon . EaBt India Company . It took place on the night of the 14 th of March , while on a voyage to Penang from Madras . To the same cause is attributable the fire's origin as in the preceding wreck . The fourth is the Caroline , West
a Indiaman , belonging to the port of Bristol , and is described as a very heavy loss . She left Tobago on the 9 th of April , laden with a carjro of rum and sugar , and arrived safely Off St . Kltt ' 8 . On the loth she proceeded on her voyage , having a law wind , when about half-past one o ' clock on the atternoon of the following day , smoke was seen issuing from the forecastle through the bulk-heads Su * ;» « avfi ( J below - Instant ste P 8 were teken to auay the fire , but such was the amazing rapidity of hid ^ Li « 1- c / « con 8 isiing of twenty men , XLSPrt £ *? e 6 ca P » aD * this they were SS 5 ? "todotU they were in at tbe Xt' i \ aI - most ° y superhuman exertions they secured a canister of bread and two small ^ hll * }** Th ? boats ™ Inched , and the jumped into them
men , trusting to providence ! Whenjitbin a few yards of the ill-fated ship her deck blew u ? with terrific violence , and her destruction followed speedily . They remained by " her until she went down . This ; took place at about nine o clock at night . Next morning the crew descried a sloop , and succeeded in attracting her attention to tbeir condition . The vessel came and picked them up and conveyed them to fit / Thomas ' s , where they were taken on board the Great Western steam-ship , for Southampton . The Caroline was 430 tons burden , and belonged to Mr . Cunningham ; merchant , Bristol . The master in his report of her loss , Bays , the fire arose from combustion among the cargo . The rum was nineteen overproof . The whole of the vessels were reported to hare been insured in various London offices .
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Riots at Copenhagen .- ; -Disturbances took place at Copenhagen in the evening of the 4 th . Bitter enmity , has always existed between the Germans and the Danes . and it has been increased by the war in Scbleswig . TwqDanish sailors , on passing the ' shop of a Prussian brush maker , threw stones at the windows , and broke fivesquares . " The tradesman " , aided by his workmen , seized them , and dragged them into SfjSTf ? w ^ saUors offered l » % »? the dama ^ vbut the tradesman said they deserved to be SK *^"" " . ?* 1 * f 0 r the £ uard- 'Me seld «« took tt * 8 w ™ f > ay- But a crowd assembled before the house and cried , "Down with the Ger-S £ rtJ TV 1 ? " ^ e »« aie » of the country ! away ri ^ H lrbanan 9 ! -and about twenty men enn fl w gaTei ^ e Prusslan a severe beating , and smashed everything they could lay hands On Another crowd ( Mowed- the sailors , and made ^
q ueu * msmpn n deliver them . The prisoners , howar ^ ° -f ? 2 ? e l 0 ek ? P ' bttt tVcrowd made an attack on it , and disregarded the summons of the officer of the guard to disperse . At last the officer ordered hismen to present their muskets , butas the crowd still refused to go away he gave the order to fire . Only six soldiers obeyed , and five men were wounded The people then slowly dispersed . The crowd who had assembled before the Prussian ' s shop took him to prison . Although there was no charge against him ha was locked up , to prevent more injury from being done him ; but he was shortly after set at liberty . Common Lodging Houses . —On Saturday- last a bill in the House of Commons was printed for the
well-ordering of common lodging houses . The object of the bill is to place under the police common lodging houses , with regard to the cleanliness , ventilation , 4 c , as also to remedy contagious diseases . The bill was brought forward by Lord Ashley .
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BIGHTS OF LABOUR . Mr . Samuel K ydd delivered the second of a course of lectures at the London Mechanios' Institution , Southampton-buildings , Chancery-lane , on Monday evening . At the commencement he diallenged discussion , and offered the most liberal opportunities to his opponents . The leoturet commenced by stating that the question of Free-trade was not as his opponents asserted , a settled question ; if it was , it was one in which the 'Working classes had not a voice , and therefore it was not binding upon them . He ventured to controvert many of the doctrines laid down by Adam Smith , and quoted many texts from that author , showing their incorrectness and inconsistency . The asser-. am ,.,, mTJ , mn ,
tion he made the previous . evening—that poverty had increased—had been disputed , and a particular reference made to Manohester . Mr . Kydd then showed , that although the wealth of Manchester ba « l increased to an enormous extent , that poverty had increased in more than a relative proportion , showing by statistics that his views were correct . The duration of life was a good test of the comforts enjoyed by any class . The average duration of life in Manchester was seventeen years for tho working class thirty-four years for tho middle , and from forty-one to forty-three for the aristocratic class . If men bad sufficient food , and wero well cared for , death would not knock threo times at tho poor man ' s door for once at tho rich man ' s . No man
professing to be either a Christian or a philanthropist could , with consistency , advocate a system which produced such results . His opponents had pointed out to his attention , the state of prosperity in the manufacturing districts . He was aware that in the wollen districts a considerable amount of trade was being done ; but against this he would place the situat on of the journeymen tailors and shoemakers of London—tho condition of other largo bodies of men—and also that of the Agricultural labourers ., a great amount of production was no test of prosperity , unli'ss the people could purchase those productions ; when hats , shoes , < fcc , were most abundant , those who produced them were in the greatest distress . Let Political Economists show why this ought to be . He then gave extracts from John Stuarfc Mills , and a miriU of a very opposite order , Thomas Carlyle . nrovintr that
machinery , a 8 carried out in the doctrines of the Fre-trade school , had never yet produced any results beneficial to the working man . Ko class had any right to property , unless that property was amenable to the poverty which the exercise of their : privileges had created He then gave extracts from Moses , Lycurous , Solon , down to Paley and Smith , all acknowledge , " the great doctrines that a man hsd no . right to do what he liked with his own when the exercise of that right was opposed to justice , and injurious to the general interests of society . So man had enun-• ntadtfaidntriuiB stronger terms than Adam btnito . but this was » portion . of his writings which Cobden , andmenof that school never quoted or acted upon . The manufacturers of thfs country said they were m favour of unlimited free trade . In the time of Adam Smith they were the advocates ot monopoly , and , as such , were hardly castirraffid
oynim ; tout now circumstanceB were cuanWl machinery had enabled them to supersede the use of man , and to set iron against his weaker nerves ^ and women and children as a rival even to this gigantic power . B y these means they had been able tp undersell all opponents , and thus , free trade becoming more beneficial to their interests , they ceased to be advocates of monopoly , and were for unlimited , or free action . Buy oheap and sell dear , was one of tho shabbiest and most immoral doctrines ever promulgated , notwithstanding the authorities brought to support it . He then logically demonstrated the truth of his assertion , and challenged any contradiction , or any . nroof of sn .
pmsm toiue shown m the . argument he advanced . Free trade , though injurious to the majority of artisans and labourers , was a benefit to the propertied classes , to fundholders , and all who lived on fixed incomes ; but to other classes cheap , cheap , meant cheat , cheat . He then referred to his experience oftheshoemakingtradein Northampton , and the manner m which they were enabled to compete with the French manufacturer , and showed that its resultslowered , not only the price of labour to the iinglish , but also to the French : shoemaker . They were told that there was a mystery inthis question of home and international trade , which tho working man could not fathom . He denied that assertion The shoemaker was the very man that understood the whole of the mystery of the shoe trade -the joiner , the hatter , the glover , the watchma ^ r
&c ., were the very men who best understood the essential principles relative to those trades . Some men thought that he argued the question on narrow grounds . He denied this . If proteotion to native industry meant that we should refuse to receiye foreign corn , and uphold the monopolv of the landlords , he . was its determined opponent ; but they needed not corn from other Iand 3 while millions of acres of fertile land were lying waste in this country , and in Ireland .. Men professing great logical acumen , and looking down with contempt upon the plain reason of working men , dogmatically asserted that if the land was not cultivated it was because it did not pay to cultivate it . . The lecturer , amid great cheering , showed that
it was miserable legislation , and the complete rending of the ties , that should unite society together which caused this land not to be profitable , and not any inherent quality in the , land itself . ; Land belonged to tho human race ; . no man could create a world , or even a rood of land ; aud therefore he could not become its proprietor . In a naturalstate the game , the beasts , and the fruits were the first capital , and Nature wa 3 no niggard of these ; but they were told that ours was an artificial state of society , and that labour was now useless without capital , and consequently dependent upon it . The fallacy of this view was . ably demonstrated , and the doctrine of mutual dependence logically established He did not . profess to be the advocate of a perfect
system of economy , but he did assert that our present system . was nota science , but a heap of incongruous principles utterly repugnant to the best interests of humanity . He was not opposed to the principles of Liberty , Equality , and Fraternity , but m his heart , he believed that the best way to attain them was to look first to the interests of their own households and their own country , and then extend their hands in fellowship to other lands . He denied that foreign was superior to home trade ; he denied that they should import corn whilst their own lands were uncultivated . The economists told them that foreign trade was necessary , because the artisans bt this country had not the means to purchase the goods-they created . Let them . then . : aet about His .
covering the means by which they would be enabled to make customers of their own population . A restriction of the hours of labour would cause a domand for a greater number of labeurers . They did not need more work done , they only needed that the work how done should be distributed amongst the whole aud not a part of the people . He then showed that government could and did interfere in questions relative to what was termed private property but refused to interfere in that most important of all questions the Labour Question . He thus criticised some of the late speeches of Graham and ' other orators of the House of Commons upon this subject . The man fit to control the destinies of this country would be tho man who would make machinery the
helpmate and not the rod Of correction to the working man . He was as much in favour of UnK versal Suffrage as any man : it was their right , and they must achieve its possession .. But beneath / the political lay tbe social question still deeper and of more vital importance ; men like Cobden , Bright , aye and the bulb of the parliamentary reformers ' , either did not understand the question , ' or feared it would damage their interests , to lay bare its truthful hearings , and consequently they were not tho men into whose hands should be entrusted the destiny of the people . They were erecting a monument to the memory of Sir Robert Peel , as the champion and consummator of the doctrine . of Free Tradethey had built a palace of glass , in which to
enshrine the principle , —nevertheless , he ventured to prophesy . that in ten years ^ ime the doctrine of free action and unlimited competition would be repudiated , and the principle of regulation and mutual dependence enshrined in its stead . The lecturer then adverted to the absence of his opponents , who wero 80 tongue-valiant on the previous Monday , and declared'his . readiness at any time to meet and combat the doctrine of Free Trade and unlimited competition internally and internationall y ; and concluded by a burst of . impassioned eloquence , which called forth from the- audience loud and prolonged applause . .. . .- : [ -.- ¦• ¦¦ . Many friends have requested Mr . K y dd to publish these lectures , and we believe it is his intention to comply with the request .
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HmTcttrt MONDAY May 12 . presented a n ! tv ° ? - Earl of G " N 0 ALI ' coun tvofTin ? o tltl 0 n fro 1 ? Grand ^ Jury of the ma ? aSfoft ™ - * ' £ rayi " *?* Protection ^ r home peatfne ti « J' ° mgn fl T : ihe ™^ ear ] , after re GSXtK " ment <» which hare been brought to iffiSS 2 Sf ^ COIIoIl v ?¦ byest Pre » iD BhT •« ¦ best intereit ! If tl *** Would be destructive of all the doSiSns ^ j " !? ^ that u under its fatai whichZ «?? a wou d » ever reap the advantages be of ! qoSb ' that SkUl and ener Sy ffould IrSmilL ir ' ' thougn « e admitted that the tS&Ste were 8 uff Te l stre 88 ' deni « i that tribiifS h gS w , cauafid by f ™ trade . He at" tdy beeS - t ra } } 0 - the improvement * which had luiuy been introduced in the cnnntnirUnn nf « . ; n .
mX 8 a Xh d , ^ - ° ^ ^ that E So e whi h » H i ° nIy tt llmited caPital 8 uffered . * MI » co 3 u 5 on S j , comra ? nd of ^ Pital prospered . In b ? ve ? v 1 'A e ° lare r , that the eminent would asthenff ° ft " f' ! ll ? rin { othe 1 uestion ' * «« on tion \? tt L i Sh 0 Uld 8 Ubffiifca de 6 nitive Pr ° posi ; w 4 h di 8 CU 88 i 0 n ° con 8 idcrable le » gfo followed , in Lnei » JA ^ " ?™ !?^ Ha » dwicke , and ni , kt 'i ^ ° "Marquis of Cianricabd b and the WUKe of AnGYLL loilied . Thfi tmUwnt . Hiph rf-nn ., 0 , 1
ftJhe , Clmrc L u Buildings Acts Amendment Bill was thpfrwi v j - ferred t 0 a select committee , and tneir lorilsmps * d ] oumed . o - ° S SE F COMMONS-PAPAL Aogri ™ . —un the order of the day that the Spbaker do leave I- ° - i riv " Rolng int 0 committee upon the Ecclesiastical Titles Assumption Bill , rt . i 5 ' i l OORE inter . Posed an objection of form , that a 111 Deen ' intr ° duced without a compliance with the standing order , whioh requires that no bill relating to religion , or for altering the laws concerning religion , shall be brought into the house until the proposition shall have been first considered in a committee of the whole house , and agreed to by the house / He argued that the bill applied not only to temporal incidents , but to vital and essential points « f-religion , and thereforefellwithin the purview of the standing order . Sir G . Grey said , the question had not powp .
surprise upon her Majesty ' s government , who , after " mature consideration of the subieet , and taking the opinion of the Chair , bad come to the conclusion , from the nature of the bill , which did not interfere with religion , and from precedents , that the preliminary form of a committee was unnecessary . Bills affecting spiritual functions of the Roman Catholic Church had been introduced and passed without suoh preliminary form . The objection , moreover came too late , . , Mr . Rorbdck sustained the objection , contending that the provisions of the bill , as first introduced ; went directly to alter the laws affecting religion . T he Speaker said , the question was one of snniB
dimcolty , there being no direct authority for the interpretation of the terms " relating to religion , " and " the laws concerning religion ; " but , as far as he could collect from- the different interpretations put upon those terms by the house , and from the course which had been followed in various bills , he was inclined to think that it was not necessary for any bill to originate in a committee of the whole house , unless it related not merely to the legal incidents , but to the spiritualities of religion . The Speaker referred to precedents in support of this opinion , and in conclusion stated that , under , the circumstances , looking at the provisions of this bill , he adhered to the opinion he had first formed , that it was not one which it was necessary to introduce through a committee of the
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Mr . M . Gibson differed from the Speaker , thinkingthat at least-considerable doubt existed upon the subject . The case should be formally drawn up and submitted to tbe chair , and he suggested that a select committee should be appointed to examine precedents , aiad report their opinion . After a fervid attack upon the bill by Mr . Grattan , Mr . Reynolds moved that the debate be adjourned . ¦ ¦ " ..- ,. Mr . Kbogh cited the opinion of certain eminent legal authorities , that the bill , in its original state , with the expn ' nged . clauses , would render it illegal for any Roman Catholic prelate to exercise his official functions as archbishop or bishop of any province or see in the United Kingdom , although such , functions were merely episcopal and spiritual , and had no reference whatever to any temporal rights" or authority . He , therefore , insisted that the bill came within the standing order . ¦ :
The SoLiciTon-GENERM . considered that the term religion , in the standing order referred to faith and doctrine , not to ecclesiastical management , superintendence , or jurisdiction , and this bill did not affect faith and doctrine or spiritualities of any kind .- The spiritual functions of Roman Catholic prelates did not depend upon their titles . Besides , it was dear that the faith and doctrine referred tp in the standing order were those of the established religion of the country , with which this bill did not proiess to tamper . > m Mr . Gladstone was prepared to support a motion for the appointment of a select committee , because all must admic that the precedents were eminently unsatisfactory , and , although the labours of the committee might lead to the conclusion that there was no reason to interfere with the progress of this bill would
, they afford a most valuable guide forjhe future . There was some colour for the proposition of the Solicitor-General , that the true meaning of the term . " religion'" in the standing order was , not , religion in general , but the established religion of the country . He' l ' eatat to that construction j but the course of precedents appli-. cable to that construction was by nonjeahs decisive .-The Solicitor-General had argued that bills affecting injuriously the securities of , the Established Church should be introduced through a preliminary committee . The house had then to , decide ! whether a bill tending to strengthen those securities should conform to the order oi * not . This bill vras intended to strengthen , the established religion of the country , and he thought the rule . " ought to apply both ways . ' ' , ' . " . ' ; Mr . Sadleib disputed some of the positions ' of the Solicitor-General : ' ¦¦ ' ¦ •¦ - ¦• ••• , ¦ ¦ ' ¦ i-u . t •„ :. >
Lord J . Rbssull thought there was no ground for referring the question toaSolect Committee , which must leave it eventually to the ' decision of the house —the proper tribunal . • " '' - , : Mr . Bright said , the bill distinctly referred- to the Church of England , and its very object was-to strengthen and secure the prelates of that church , in their dignities andoffiees : As there w ; ere ' doubts upon the subject the . gorer ' nnienk should ' cbhbedo the committee . : - • . '¦ . ; ' ! ¦'¦ ¦ : ¦ . The house divided , when the ' -adjournment of the debate was negatived by 178 to 53 ; ' : ' - . ' ' ' ' ¦ - " ¦ Mr . Lawless -then-moved the adjournment of the
houso ; but , upon -a further division / this motion was negatived by- H 5 to 36 . •¦ ; •' ¦ ' ¦' • MrvM . J . O'CoNNftLL spoke in opposition to 'the bill , and to all legislation , Until tho Pope should assume temporal or civil jurisdiction . ' ' If the' Ohuich of England w ' ero-asskiletl let her defend-herself - ' "Mr . Uhqwiiarx repeated Ms . fovtnor : argument , that the law-or practice of nations'Ml nofbeen violated by the act ofthe Tope , which sliouldhnve boon resisted by diplomatic action . Ho believed tb ' atfthe Pope wsuj not-afr ' eb a £ mit ; thiife ^ he was acting under the influenceiof others , into yhoiie hands thl government h « d'been playirtg by their discreditable and disgraceful conduct . ¦ .- •' ¦ > ' •' '• ' > v -
Mr . Kbogh asked , if the bill ; was ' orily jth ' e com * plomenfc of tho act'of 1829 , why was it not strictly confined'to England % ¦' ¦ : Wouldtlie government give apledgetliatitwould : notbe p ' ut in- force in Ireland ? If not , it was a ' departure ' front the act of 1820 , from which the enacting part of iho bill , in conjunction , with the' preamble , 'differed in spirit and m letter ; Th ^ preamble of the bill , he affirmed ; contained thred'distinci ; arid" admitted falsehoods introduced to -mystify English gentlemen . ' - The noble lord , had withdrawn tho second and third olauses because he would not fetter tho-spiritual functions ! of tlio'Irish Roman' Catholic ! prelates : whereas theeffecfc of those clauses ' remained opera ; rativo-fn- the'iivst'clause , and wdiiW' rbpeal the CharifableJ : Act \ Tho '
Bequests . ^ gov&nmen ^ had ' alleged'tha'Mh ' e act of the Pope was a' ( HrecMnsult ; to the ProtoBfant feeling of ¦ " England ; j but 202 memberB-bf that house had'affirmed ' that that act had been encouraged , as-it hiid beehby'the government . He htimelf'had seeri' -the'Bfitish Consulate at Rome illuminated when' Car'diriat' Wiseman . was > created Arclibiehop of ' 'Westminster / ' ''The proposed exemption of thoprelatea ' of the Scottish iEpiseoptfl UHrcb , showed that-thia bill was aimed ! solely against the- Roman Catholic religion ; ' '• i !¦ ?; ¦ ¦; , ' Lord J . Rossrm replied to Mr . 'Keogh / observine thatsinco the act of 1829 thVspiritual 'functions of Homan ¦ Catholic bishops had been exercised ; it could not , therefore , ' 'be-pretended-that' this bill , * mch applied its provisions to ' England ,. would prevent , their , exercise . ! 'It-ough ' t ' not to be the polioyof any Government toseek ou ' t ' offences for tu
e purpose of prosecution ; -. but when ia person came horeclothed with authority ' from'the Pope , , aeolanng that he had been pleased to ' divide this country into dioceses : and -to abolish-the Arohoisnopnc of Canterbury , . asserting a-riglit to rule and govern England , —this was not . a quiet exercise of ; religious functions -or . even alviolation of toe mere letter of the law , but iin open and daring denaiice . of the , Sovereignty of , the Crown , which iar lwmer . t could not ; tolerate , and .-ah offence against the jndependence ; of the nation . Ho know not what might , bo tho . consequence if , ; by , giving way to a notion that civil and religious liberty was infiinged , ' we sacrificed that independence , or exchanged our national , freedom for , the kind- of-religious liberty .. enjoyed at -. Rome . There was nothing like persecution in this bill j it was a political measuro directed against a political a « t ; the people of this country never would suffer the name
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• f religious liberty to be prostituted to cover a a foreign aggression . Mr . Bbiout said , no human being had yet laid bis finger on the particular wound suppo .-oa to bo inflicted by the Pope , or had suggested a remedy if there were a wound . No lawyer had given a logical dofinition of what was the matter with us . It had been admitted that the law of 1 S 2 D had not been broken ; why , then , should there be a more stringent law for Ireland ? He acknowledged that offensive language hud been used , but priests in power were prone to use offensive language , lie denied that there had boon any attack upon the supremacy of tho Crown in the sense in which the term had been used by Lord John Russell : the onlv sunremacv
recognised in this country was that of Parliament nnd the law . He justified the substitution of bishops in ordinary for vicars-apostolic , which was caleuiatetl to relieve the Roman Catholics of England from ultramontane influence ; and as to the attack upon the independence of the nation , it was a matter too ludicrous to discuss . This was now to bo treated as a political question , but tho bill would not touch the Popa or Cardinal Wiseman ; it would injure onl y tho government and tho Legislature of Eugland . The noble lovi had got into a quagmire , and he ( Mr . Bright ) proposed that this bill , which nobody liked but himself , should be withdrawn—a bill which would sow discord between England and Ireland , and would never havo been introduced if all its consequences had bei'n foreseen .
_ Mr . Scully moved th . it the debate be adjourned DUD the motion was negatived by 365 to 54 . A motion king then made for the adjournment of the house , Lord J . Russell gave way , and the debate was adjourned until Thursday . The Property Tax Bill was read a third time nnd passed . The other orders and motions having been disposed of the house adjourned at a quarter before tw o o ' clock . TUESDAY , May 13 .
HOUSE OP LORDS . —Maubuoes ( India ) Bin . — Lord Broughton moved the second tending of this bill . Legislation on this subject had been recommended by Sir 0 . Robinson , Sir Samuel Romilly , and more recently by Lord Campbell and the present Lord Chancellor . A commission had been appointed to inquire into the subject , consisting of the late Recorder of London , the late Lord Advocate of Scotland , Dr , Lushington , and othei' 3 ; and they proposed that the marriage law of India should bo made conformable to the marriage law of England . There wero 1 , 045 clergymen in India who were capable of solemnising ' marriages ; of whom 789 were Roman Catholics . Thero were
also laymen who were in the habit of performing the ceremony , but the validity of such marriages had been questioned . Even so late as 1849 an attempt was made at the Supreme Court of Bombay to quash an action for criminal conversation , on the ground that the marriage was illegal ; but the court held the marriage to be good . In a similar case , however , the Supreme Court of Madras had held the marriage to be bad . There were only six ministers of the Scotch Free Church in India , but every marriage performed by them waa liable to be questioned . To obviato all these evils , and assimilate the law of India to that of England , the present bill had been introduced .
The Earl of Ellhsborougii did not object to the principlo of the bill , but he thought some of its details were not adapted to tho state of society in India . ' The bill wsb then read a second time . Sibam Coal for thb Navy . —The Earl of Elusnborouou called the attention of tbe government to certain experiments which had been mado by Sir H . De La Beche and Dr . Lyon Playfair , with a view to test the quality of various descriptions of coal , to be used on board steam-vessels . He recommended similar experiments being tried on Indian coal , and that those gentlemen should specially
report as to the liability of the different kinds of coal : to spontaneous . combustion . Experiments should also . be mado at eea , and under the boilers , because tho atmosphere at sea might havo some effect on the generation of steam . The Earl of . Minto ( who was very indistinctly heard ) was understood to say that tho subject had engaged the anxious attention of the Admiralty , and that the suggestions of the noble earl would receive due consideration . Various experiments had been tried , chiefly with a viow to test the relative power of various kinds of coal for the purposes of steam navigation . Their lordships adjourned at ten minutes before sixo ' clook , HOUSE OF COMMONS . —There being only twenty-one members present at four o ' clock , tht houso adjourned .
"WEDNESDAY , May 14 . HOUSE OF COMMONS .-Parliameniary ReroRM . —Mr . Hume postponed his motion on the subject of Parliamentary Reform , till the 3 rd of June . Kensington Gardens . —Mr . Hume gave notice that ho would bring forward his motion on the snbject of Kensington Gardens on the first supp l y night . Thk "No House . "—Mr . Christopher said that he should have taken no notice of the " no house" of yrsterday , if it had been an ordinary occasion . ( Hear , _ hoar . ) But thero were-two questions of great importanco to be discussed , one relating to Parliamentary Reform , and the other relating to Kensington Gardens . Now , considering the great
importance of the first of these questions , that tho public mind had been agitated upon it by many members of the house , and considering also that her Majesty ' s government had been , left in aminorityona motion having reference to the state of the ' representation , it was , an extraordinary thing that , there were only , twenty-one members in . tho houso at four o ' clock on Tuesday , and that of these there were only six whom ho could call Radical reformers . ; ' ( Hear , hear . ) lie did not know whether tbe hon , member fov Montrose was enjoying . a ride in Kensington-Gardens-at the'timo ~( laughter )—but liei ' TOS riot ' present to attend to Lis own motion at four o ' clock on Tuesday . ( -Hear , hear . ) There were but two ' members of her Maiesty ' a
governmehf . ' , present on the occasion . The hon . member for Ein 3 bury on a recent . occasion quoted the words of ^ Mr . Canning , who said' that it was . tho duty of the subordinate members of the government to make a housev to keep a -house ,: and to cheer the ministera ; : but since the time of Mr ; . Canning the duty of those gentlemen , at least as to tho , making of a House , seemed , to be very much altered ! ( Hear , hear . ) He believed , there were many supporters of the government in the lobbies , and about , the house , at four o ' clock ,: but the only persons present , were the two ' secretaries of the Treasury . He va& . not surprised that her Majesty ' s government did not make \ ahou 8 e > but where were thq'ineinbers for Manchester : ?—( hear , hear)—where was the
member for tho West Riding ?—( hear , hear)—where was her Majesty ' s-Attorney-General , who promised his constituents ht Southampton that he would vote for an extension of Reform that seemed little short of the proposition of the lion , member fov Montrose ? —{ hear , hear )—and where wero the rest of those 150 . gentlemen who defeated .-the government on a motion for , extending the franchise ? ( Ilear , hear . ) It ivas . riglit that the people out , of doors whom these gentlemen were in the habit of addressing on this subject should know the cause of their absence on so important ^ qu estion . ( Hear , hear . ) - ^ Mr . Hume said he was extremely glad that'the honourable member , had introduced tho subject , bedau ' se-it-afforded'him an opportunity of
explaining his absence on Tuesday evening . Ho admitted that reformers generally who were not engaged in the businessofthehouse should have taken care that there was , a house . ' Ho would leave them to make ' theirown explanations ; but for-himself he hud to state that , being a member of the committee on- 'the army / navy ,-and ordnauce estimates , which had now beensitting ' for-three years , he was engaged up to the hour when it was announced that the Speaker waa at prayers in an important discussion upon the report of that committee . ; Ho' then made as riiuch / haste as he possibly could to be present in tho house at four o'clock ; but owing to the distance of the committee room . from the house , ho was not able to enter tho house , in time
and it was just-vis he was entering that a-member met him and told him that there was " no house . " That was the explanation of the causu of hisabsence . ! ( Hear , : heav ;) He would-leave otherB to ^ poak-for themselves .- But he might observe that thero wero ; other ¦ members ,. and ; . the honourable member for the West Riding was . oneofithenViwho wereengagedjlike himself , upon . the committee up * 'stairs .. ( Hear ; . hear . ) He could onlyaaayj that ; if therefore any reformers who wished to evade this question , ihe didt . not belong to ,. then ) . • ' ( Hear , hear . ) ¦ This-iquestion . was with . him , a ; most important one . / His intentions with regardjtoit had . often been maligned .: He Ayas charged iWitluwishjngito aubvert tho constitution } Uutf . be * fished to show , that ; timely reform , , and a restoration-ta : the ' people , of . their : inheroat rights , " was the ; only way , , of arresting discontent . He opished . : aUo to ishow 1
what reforms tho people w . ished tq have , , the-imoro . eapee . ially . as her Majesty ' s government [ promised to . brinp in a reform bill next session ,,. . He . had also ; a . motion . on the subject of ; Kenaiiigton-gardens , - and . he ; cei ; tainly did-. exp . ect that the members who promised him support p » i that motion would have-. been , present on Tuesday . '( Hoar , hear . ) ,: ; : \ ' Sir . G . QRHYsaidtliatthelion . mombev forMoutrose had verysatisfaotorilyaccountDdforhigiabsenceon Tuo 8 day- ( hear , . , hoar . ) -rand lie was 8 UrO DO person who knew thobon . gent eman would foaa-momerif doubt . the smoeiuty . ofh . B advocacy in : stho cause of reform ., (( IIeai Vhear . ) -With respect to there beine only twenty . ono members , presenttOii Tuesday J fOTT mi £ ? ° ™«* " * ir intention ofbrin / r-B 2 * f" 1 * 11 of th 6 h 0 U 8 e generally felt indisposed to enter upon a discussion which could
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ead to no practical result , tho more es pcchllviftflf having been obliged to sit up to a very late hour on tho preceding night . ( Hoar , hear . ) Mr . J . Williams said that the hon . member for u ° m- voso hlul Siven a poor explanation , and he ( Mr . r ViS fOlt awful | y ^ appointed at his conduct &X V- Thore was Srcilfc excitement out of hm , ™ i " l uesti ° " . and at tho conduct of tho S wu" ?^ Montro so - but l > e w ^ not surprised M . T ™ " T $ "& % conservative parry .
alKoTluT ^ S SES ^ SS parties who acrimoniously attacked each other at the meeting alluded to , tho hon . gentleman beinj ono of tho parties who urged on that aorimnn * ( Laughter . ) What he sail w «» , that ho did £ much as any man in England in opposition but that he conducted th . it opposition so as not to make enemies of those who were opposed to him ; and that he had aa many friends among the torics nnd conservatives as amongst reformers . ( Hear , Hear . ) Mr . TisEMWKTsaid that ho was engaged in tha committeo on church-rates on Tuesday . Ho did not tlnnk tho cond uct of reformers , in reference to this motion and the motion of the hon . member for Surrey , was at all creditable to them . Mr . W . Williams thought that some other regulation should be made with respect to tha making oi the house , ( near , hear . ) Ho thought the housa
snouid bu divided into panels of forty members , and tnat eaeli panel should , in its turn , attend , so as to msuro a house at four o ' clock . On Tuesday cTening there were two members in the lobby whoendeahouse ( Vea ' r ^ a ™ ) embeVS *™ ° 0 IUinS int ° " * liA ^" ' rT 1 ° confim wl > attoKi been said oy the hon . member for Montrose . He ( Mv . Bankesi was a member ofthe same committee with the hon . member for Montvose , but so great was the distance ot the committee-room from the house , that he waa unablo to got to the house by four o ' clock , thoucn , most anxI 0 U 810 d 0 60 < j ,. ono of lhe > . ncon |« niea oe ? of the vast and overgrown building that ib otJ ? hP ? S f * ° g ° fc ^ m ono chamber to another . ( Hear , hear . ) j
vh \ iietnolds eaid that the discussion exposed a feet winch was worthy of being known-namolyt tuat all the reformers of England were engaged unon one committee . ( Laughter . ) There were not reformers onough to make a house on & question o ' £ reform , buD there was a full spring-tido of them when questions of religious liberty were concerned . ( Hear , hear . ) He saw many reformers who were then in the house taking shelter on Tuesday " ?] the holes and corners ofthe house . ( Hear , hear ) They looked very much like drowned political r . it ' a m the lobbies and corridors ofthe house whilst tha motion of the Nestorof reform was leffc to shift for itself . ( Hear . ) :
Mr . S . Crawford said it was impossible to doubfc tlio sincerity of his hon . friend tbe member for Montrose on the question of reform , let it waa a strange circumstance that his hon . friend should havo given precedence to the question of Kensington Gardens over the . motion for Parliamentary Reform . Ho was equally surprised at the notice o £ amendment given by an old friend of Reform , thg hon . member for Finsbury , an amendment referring to ono point only of Reform , and postponing that to tho next session of parliament . If his hon . friend mtended to promote tho cause of Reform he should at least have been present .. (" Ho was . " ) Ha cou d not but think that if the body of Reformers m the house who had pledged themselves to thia question were in earnest they would beprepared tO come down in sufficient numbers to make a housa on Tuesday . ( Hear , hear . )
Mr . Bernai . thought it would have been better if the hon . member for Finsbury had not been attacked in his absence . ( Hear . ) It was well known to every one that he was in ill health , and would ba the last person to shrink from a manly avowal of his sentiments . Mr . Aolionbt thought tho cause of Reform was not likel y to be advanced by attacks on individual members of the Reform party . He met the hon . member for Montrose at the door of the houso only a minute after the adjournment . For his own part he much doubted the policy of putting on tho paper either the motion of the hon . member for Montrosa or that of tho hon . member for Finsbury ; for though he would feel bound to voto for either if it came on it would , in his opinion , bo better to postpone tho matter until next session , when a bill was to be brought in by the government , which he would be content to accept , in the hope of gettine mora at a future time . .
Sir J . Pakwqtos would remind the house that . ' while deploring tho loss of time on the previous evening , they were losing time then . ( Hear . ) The Chaeitable Institutions Notices Bill waa road a second time . Lamdlobd amd Tenant Bill . —Mr . Spooner , ia movi ng the second reading of this bill , ' , stated tha evils it proposed to remedy , arising out of the law of emblements , and the mode in which thev would be remedied by the bill . In the short debate which followed , objections were raised to the details , but not to the principle of the bill , which was read a second tiuie . Religious Houses Bin . —Mr . Lac * moved tha second reading of the bill to prevent the forcible detention of females inreligious houses , the object of whioh , he said , was that all reli gious houses Protestant included ) in which ladies resided bonnd
oy monastic or religious vows should be registered , and that in all counties in which h 0 U 8 G 9 of thia kind should be registered , six magistrates should ba appointed at quarter sessions to visit such housea without notice , with power , if they found any lady there who wished to . como out , to take her out Ha had . ascertained that there : were fifty-three such housos in , England Wales ,, and that they were vastly on the -increase , nineteen haviugbeen added within tile last four years . If he showed that thera was . an occasional escapo from such , houses , ha thought he might assume that there were persona within them who wanted to como out ; and Mr . Lncy detailed ,. amongst other incidents connected . with these houses , the circumstances attending the alleged escape of two : females : from , convents ia England . He . drew a , similar inference from th © necessary irksomeness of conventual i restraints
ano , admitting . the . inconvenience that mgiht accompany , the unexpected visits of magistrates , ha still maintained that it was . slight in comparison with the evil of allowing . a person . to pine unwillingly within the . walls of a convent .- ' : Mr . nUMB , ; wh . 0 8 aidJl 8 rose SO stop nny answer by a Roma . n Catholic member , observed that everyone , must have listened with the . greatest pain to the . details given by Mr . Laoy ^ which were not applicable to } iis bill , and . expreBsed a hope that aa end would be put to the discussion by some declaration on the part . of ithe government . - .. Sir , 6 . Gret , said . he had no hesitation in slating the ground upon whioh he should withhold his as .
fient . trom this bill . . Mr . Laoy had failed to show the existence , or probable ¦ existence , of . forcible detention . of . females in . these houses , and , although he was not prepared .. to deny that a dangeroua control was exercised there , it was of a moral and spiritual character , and one which tho hill would not in the slightest degree roach . After recent cases ho was not prepared to say that soma steps might ; not be necessary to deprive partieg possessing ; such influence- over persous . who might be induced to go'into , these houses of ; the power of obtaining . their property .. But ihe bill . was open to very serious" objections , and would notiaccomplish tho object in view .
Mr . Xewdkqate would divide in favour of tha bill , knowing that a ^ stroiig Reeling existed in tha country that an alteration ; of'the lawi regarding thesa establiBhnientsiwas&bsolutely neoesBary . Mi .. 'Pluupire would i . likewise ; v 6 te for the second reading ; ¦ He thought the government would not be exoneratediin thetsight of -the . country from a charge . of . rfot attending . lo > its interests ; if they did not pledge themselves , . « wereithis . bill rejected , to take up the , subject . ' . . ; ... ¦ - . .- ' . ' ' . MrtSRoBBRiEALMBR . thoughfcrthat Bin Lac * had . not . shown iiny case * of forcible detention , and thai : the details of bis hill were riiost . objeotionable , Da shbuldilike tdknow -where . ' Miv-EACY . would getBlX country gentlemen to perform tlmduty he proposed . If the Court of Chancery had not novter to interfere . effectually in : this , maker , ; tbjei government should bring . in abill to confer ; such , power .
; iMr . i . Graeian considered that Mr ^ Licir had not made out the Bb » tfowiof . a case . . The- residents in a conyent could feave . it ¦ whenever they , . pleased . : Lord . AsBisy wishe ? " the bill to , bo withdrawn ' Though he was fully of opinion that . 1 a' very strong Tf- ^ iv v " > ? . out ' . ? © I notHninkIt . LaoI had established suph a om , andif he ^ had , the details ^ and machinery of his ; bill wer ^ obTectionable J ? r f ^ « 5- « B 8 M . -t 6 > Je -- kw »^ ^ liJS ? SKSafiSSani
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superior courts to be discharged . On tho payment of the debt and costs the party arrested to be discharged , lu case it should appear to the satUf&c * tion of a jury in any action brought for false imprisonment under awarrant authorised to be issued that such imprisonment was malicious , or tliat thore was no probable cause of action , then the warrant and the writ of capias issued thereon shall in either of such cases be no ground of justification to the person at whose suit the same shall have been issued . Certain fees are to bo payable , but none in the Court of Bankruptcy . Some forms to be used are gifen in a schedule to tho bill .
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