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question of parliamentary reform ; bat every year he has been firmly and even obstinately opposed by the noDia lord . ( Hear , hear . ) The noble lord would enter into no compromise with him . and had never spared his «?™ sm « upon the honourable member , nor liad he « " | W «« UiB least intimation that reform was to be carried through his own instrumentality . Sach was the sta »< £ * SgLg * J nearlv the end of lut session ; but «* « M « f the honourable Member for M ° Dtroffi ^ b " n ^ X = is « iiiM but everv member of the cabinet had become converts to the necessity for a reform In parliament . Surely it would beim ^ sibfe lo civeabettor illustration of the working
of the Septennial Aet than that waicn wawon iora awing the last four Years bad supp lied . { Dear , hear . ) The noble lord , however , would be much mistaken rf he supposed that even this or any oibcr measure would satisfy hia supportere , which did not contain a provision for shortening the duration of parliaments . ( Cheers . ) There was another evil which th e noble . lord not only admitted , but for -which be bad even proposed a . remedy . That remedy however , wonld likewise prove to be most imperfect . He was alluding to he small nomination boroughs , which were admitted to be the disgrace of our representative system . ( Heir , hear . ) Now , it wonld be remembered that the Reform Act of 1832 proposed to extinguish the rotten borough system , but it would scarcely be denied that it had proved an entire failure ; and thu 3 we had BttU the scandal
cf seeing the members for these boronghB not elected , but wtnaily nomina ted by peers of the other house . Thu 3 , the members for the borough of Mariborough were nominated by the Marquis of Ailesburr , Malton by Earl Fitzwilliam , Richmond by the Earl of Zetland , Ripon by the Earl de Crey , Tavistock by the Duke of Bedford , and Calne by the 3 ! arquis of Linsdowne . There were many others which he night also have named , if he had had Mr . Bod ' s book in his hand . ( Hear , hear . ) If the noble lord ' s proposed remedy were adopted , all that it would effect would be to transfer the presentation from one to two or three persons who wonld exercise it alternately , as was done in Scotland , ¦ where two boroughs had been joined together . ( Hear . ) With respect to the people of Scotland , he believed that
they had been most unjustly treated . With a population of three millions , they had only , he believed , fifty-four members . In Ireland , too , which after all that unhappy country had gone through , had still a population of six-anda-htlf-millions , they had only sixty-five represeatativeB ; "while England , with only two-and-a-half times the amount of population had five times more members . ( Hear , hear . ) In England every county had two representatives , some four , and the largest six ; but the Scotch counties had only one ; and there were some cases in which two counties had been joined together to return a single member . The people of Scotland ha < l not complained of this inequality , because they knew the danger of attempting to puteh » p or meddle with an ancient edifice , lest they should pnllit down about their ears . Tuey thought it was
Better to bear the ills they had Than rash on others that they knew not of ; but now , when a prime minister came there with tho full eoment and authority of the crown , and declared that the power of the democracy must be increased—when the noble lord came there and took npon himself the whole responsibility of making these great changes , surely the people of Scotland would ahow a great want of common sense , as well as a want of the sense of what was due to them , if they did not come forward and claim their jnst rights . ( Cheers . ) On many occasions the Scotch members had laid aside all feelings of party when questions of national importance were before the house ; aud , though but a small body , they had succeeded by their unanimity in arresting attention to their demands . He trusted that they would A -- — — - ~» w ^ m ^ v ^ ^ ^^ ^ m w w *^ tS ¦ 4 *
6 how an equal unanimity on the present occasion . ( Hear . ) Be appealed also to the representatives of Ireland ; they too had grievances to complain of , and rights to assert , and he trusted tbat they tnrald forget all party strife , all political feelings , all religious animosities , and unite to enforce their just claims . ( Cheew . ) Let hon . gentlemen on that side of the house likewise consider the position in yhich they would be placed if the Prime Minister was always to have a reform bill whenever it mi ght suit him to get up a . little popular clamour . Would it not be better for them to take the noble lord at his word , and to have a real reform bill . ( Cheere . ) Xot such a reform bill as wonld only whet the appetite of the people for further changes , but a real and substantial reform bill , tbat would give a more equal distribution of political power to a great portion of the United Kingdom . ( Cheers . )
To tliis complexion it would come at last . But the responsibility of any consequences that might ensue must rest upon the noble lord and his government , who lad first given an impulse to the movement . ( Loud cheers . ) . * Mr . E . B . Roche begged to congratulate tho country on the liberal address which they haofjust heard . Surely thev might well talk of the march of intellect when they heard sentiments so enlightened come from that part of the louse which used to be called the Tory camp . ( Hear , hear . ) They had heard the speech of the hon . gentleman oonnaito
which went even further than the bill of the noble lord ; and they had heard also the speech " of the hon . member for Manchester ( Mr . Bright ) , who gave a qualified approval to tho measure ; and , as it was thus supported on both sides , it was clear that they must have a reform of some tmd . He claimed for Ireland 207 members instead of 105 ; that wa 3 the proportion according to its population . Mr . Sewdegate condemned the tacking of the Jew Bill to that for the reform of parliament , for no purpose that he could understand , bat to carry favour with a very small class of the community , at the risk of giving offence to the House of Lords .
ilr . Treuwst spoke in favour of the plan . Sir J . Walmslkt thanked Mr . Baillie for making the proposal hs had done with reference to the increase of Scotch and Irish members . He might contrast this proposal with some observations that had fallen from gentlemen calling themselres Liberal members on that side of the hotae—( hear)—and he could not but feel surprised that those gentleman shonld have expressed themselves in favour of a measure , which , in his opinion , deserved anything but that . He was confident it would not meet with approval out of doors . ( Hear , hear . ) I : was indeed a small measure , and would be regarded by the country as unworthy of the noble lord and his colleaeues . The noble lord had referred to some fifty or sixty boron « hs returning two renresentatf res
each , with a smaller constituency than 500 . Was the noble lord aware that there were 627 large towns in this country aKessed to the income-tax to the amount of £ 15 , 300 000 , which were totally unrepresented ; and did he suppose the inhabitants of those towns would be satisfied to remain « o ? j i . was termed thcXew Reform Bill ? And vetthis wonld be the case , except such representations as they might find through the county constituencies . He was persuaded that this bill , or any other , which did not recognise the rights of the tax-paying and industrial classes-the wealth-producing classes-would not , and ought not , to give satisfacti on to the country . Another most important point w as wanting in this bill-the ballot . ( Hear , lean had had
) He some experience at various publio meetings in this country in the last few Years , and he had never attended any where the ballot had not been unanimously supported ( Hear , hear . ) The emptovers of labour as well as the employed , concurred tbat any extension of the franchise withoot the ballot would be little bet-VhJ- ^ 4 ™? cbe 7- l « ear , hear . ) As this was merel y the introduction of the bill , he wonld not enter into its details , but would reserve any remarks on its anomalies and inconsistency for the second reading . The bill was totally unworthy of that house , totally unworthy of being called a reform bill , and totally unworthy of the noble lord and his colleagues . Lord H . Vase fully approved of the meisure . Mr . Axstet accepted it ss a ' large instilment" of the measure which he so much wished to see carried
SirT . Ttbeu . said lie had difficulty in underefrindinz what was the principle of the bill . He could only define ft as one for the further continuance of her Majesty ' s ministera in offise . ( A langb . ) Looking at the diversity of opinions that had been already expressed , it was evident there would be great difficulty in satisfying the country . From the speech of the last hon . gentleman he thoug ht it wonld neither satisf y the confession-box or the ballot-box . He did not think the county of Es ^ ex had much to fear from this new bill . He recollected the promises held out by the last £ 555 . S " 3 m t faow / n » serabIy they were belied . He thought the noble lord ( Russell ) had gone a Ion ? way , had thrown out a soit of sheet anchor , to secure the Manchester Sff ^ T" fc W " hoat . e ° S any positive opinion as to which lobby he should go rntoo :. this occasion , he must say the measure was very unsatisfactory . Col . Sibihorp slid that ministers amwared f / i ha 9 « Hn .
2 £ lff m ' a ^ IP * maStOm •' andhebeleved * e Si / ° - ? - Otliesltateto sail into the dirtiest port wl hS £ ™ ? , elter - < A lau ^ - ) Could they lave brought in and passed a " finality" measure to secure iSrtSw ^™ 1 *** tW ! d eveiy s P ecies of tri < * ^ d trash , fcnmS dese ° rved ! " ' tbe re *» d that ¦** Jt ^^\ ^ a A S SP 66 ^ . the whole drift of T ™^ 7 * i Z * * month to elapse between the Sr ^ nn ^ f ' « d « to pi ™ Snwfcr £ « 2 2 SS 2 SS ^ JUtV * own perplexify DedDeS \ from ta rfStffKffi
rult ra- ?™ * ment , he did n t think the pr < iect was calcnl , tod ? , »;»• s ^ s ^ feHSra sarfW'jsssaeaSsr & «? SSES 5 LBS . S ~ should not return so many . He reserved to himself The tight to consider whether it was wise to deal with the nn « tea atthe present time ; and if 60 , whX he meSe * proposed was calculated to be efficient for its alS purpose . 8 ™
SirG GHEtandSir B . Hm . spoke against delay ; the 2 « hoffe ™ , : » expressing himself confident that the SS f ° ^ - lU ffonld make thecou ° * constituency mow corrupt than it was at present , unless the franchise was Si . V ^ Tie principle of the present bU SBm ^ J ** that of ^ -e ^ ting disfranohisementtm thesat ^ n ' , * ° denfrancnhement 0 Dtue <> ther . He thought thebSfnghf 1 ^^ 011 8 h ° nW obtain in the countiea as in as an ^ S ^ J ?™ ' "" r tjw " Reformer , " accepted the bill members iear ^ and after some more words fronl- other aojonrned . M Zttea to b « ng in the bill , and the house . HOUSE OF ttmSW ' Tzs - W . bon to the outrages latX Earl of R ° drewatten-Thstt lord ^ jjgW ' wmmitteJ in a part of Ireland . - taTe P ° conception of Jhe reisn of
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— — terror established in those districts . Was her Majesty '! Government acquainted with the extent of th se circumstances , and was it prepared to propose measures to meet them , aa the common law had been proved incompetent to do so , and a special commission , for the first time , had failed of its object The Marquis of Lassuowsr admitted it was natural that Lord Roden should have brought this matter before the house , and assured him that the attention of the government had been directed to these outrages from their very commencement . That the commission had been a total failure hi was not prepared to admit . It had been only unsuceessfln , and measures were being prepared , from which he anticipated a happier result . Should those new measures be also unsuccessful , it would then be proper to ask extraordinary powers from parliament . After some observations from the Marquises of Losdon-DERRTand WSSIMEATII
, Lord Roots expressed Wb regret that government were not prepared at once to adopt strong measures with regard to the disturbed districts . Their lordships then adjourned . HOUSE OP COMMOXS . —Mr . S . Cbawfobd moved for leave to bring in a bill for securing the Ulster custom of tenant-right , or compensation to improving tenants , and to limit the power of eviction . He regarded , not merely the rights of tenants , but the rights of l andlords , which were in a very unsatisfactory state in Ireland . TariouB attempts had been made to remedy the evils growing out of the existing relations between landlord and tenant in that country—evils which impaired the people's respect for the
law , and consequently rendered property insecure , and for which there was no effectual remedy but such a measure as he now proposed . He explained briefly the provisions of tbe bill , and professed his willingness to adopt any amendments tbat would not interfere with its main principle . Sir G . Gbei said , as the house had , on a former occasion , allowed such a bill to be laid upon the table , it was not the intention of the government to offer any obstruction to that course on the preeent occasion ; but if the bill was similar to that which he had adverted , and which had been rejected by a large majority , he could hold out no prospect of its receiving his support , or experiencing a better fate .
Mr . Gbattan expatiated at much length upon absenteeism and otber ills of Ireland , which he attributed to Imperial legislation . Mr . Home condemned the course of argument- taken by Mr . Grattan . The principle of the measure should be fairly discussed , in order that it might be seen to what , if followed out , it would ultimately lead . He thought Mr . Crawford , with benevolent intentions , laboured under a mistake . Mr . llocne , though not prepared to enact tenant-right , believed that much might be done to improve the relations between landlord and tenant , which were not governed in Ireland by the ordinary law of debtor and creditor , but by an unfair and tyrannical law .
Mr . Moore said , the evil of which the bulk of the Irish population complained was this—that property made by the tenants had been grasped by the landlords , and the object was to make this great moral wrong a legal wrong . Mr . Sadueb thought the adoption of the principle of compensation for improvements would be beneficial ; and he called npon the government to say what they meant to do in this matter . Mr . 08 B 0 RS * joined in urging government to take up this subject , which would put a stop to the clap-traps of Presbyterian agitators . This bill proceeded very much upon the m » xim of M . Proudhon , and would , in a qualified measure , carry onthis principle . Lord J . Rossell said government had introduced a bill upon this subject , and one had been referred to a committee ; but he had found that , if passed into a law , it would excite the greatest agitation and discontent , and , perhaps , fresh outrages . The clauses of that bill had been framed so as to be consistent with the rights of property ; but the
object of otherB was to introduce into the south of Ireland , and make compulsory a custom which would take away a portion of tho property of landowners , and transfer it to others , giving to idle and improvident men advantages to which they had no claim . In the existing temper of Ireland , and considering the extravagance of the propositions , there would be no benefit in passing this measure ; and believing that legislation could do little towards establishing a good understanding between landlord and tenant , he was not disposed to bring in a bill npon the subject . Mr . Keooh accused Ministers of coquetting and paltering with this question , raising extravagant expectations when oat of office , and when in office allowing it to drop . Mr . Bbight said he had paid a good deal of attention to this Bubjeet , and he had prepared a bill , which , not meeting the views of a large class in Ireland , he had not sub * mitted to the bouse , lie should vote for the introduction of the bill , which might be put into a satisfactory shape in the committee .
Mr . Whiteside , after repelling some imputations cast by Mr . Bright upon the landlords of Ireland , observed that the difficulty of this question , and the apprehension that tbe attempt to adjust it might create agitation , were no reasons why the Ministers should shrink from it . Leave was given to bring in the bill . Mr . M'Cullagh then moved for leave to bring in a bill to eoable grand juries in Ireland to make presentments in aid of railways , authorising the levying of a rate-which may be assigned to persona who should raise the necessary sums to complete a line of railway . Mr . Labocchere , on the part of the government , offered no objection to the motion , and , after some discussion , it was agreed to . Sir J . Pakisotos then moved that the house do resolve itself into a committee to consider the laws relating-to the sale of beer , with the view of re-introducing his bill of last session .
The motion was agreed to , and a bill was ordered to be brought in to alter and amend these laws . Mr . M . Gibson obtained leave to bring in a bill to esta-Wish county financial boards for the assessing of county rales , and for the administration of county expenditure . Mr . AGLioxBr moved for leave to re-introduce his bill to effect the compulsory enfranchisement of lands of copyhold and customary tenure , which was agreed to . On the motion of Mr . Mitcheix , the Select Committee of last session , appointed to inquire into the Customs , was reappointed . The house adjourned at a quarter to ten o ' clock . WEDNESDAY , Fsbruary 11 .
HOUSE OF COMMOXS .-Mr . Brotherton moved the Becond reading of the Manchester and Salford Education Bill , the object of which is to provide education for the poor of those populous boroughs by means of a local rate . After considerable discussion , during which it was urged that the bill was a local one , and that the government contemplated bringing in a general bill of Education , the motion was adjourned to Wednesday next . On the motion for the second reading of the New River Company ( to improve the supply of water , &c . ) Bill , Mr . Cotvper moved that it be read a second time that day six mouths , on the ground that it interfered with the rights now pending at law of the trustees of the navigation of theriver Lea . The house then divided . —For the second reading , 80 . Against it 5 i . Majority , 26 . The bill was read a second time .
Mr . Osbornb called attention to the ventilation and lighting of the houses , and moved resolutions which in effect placed the whole under the charge of Dr . Reid . Lord Seymour said , all that Dr . Reid specifically require : ! , had been done , but with very little amendment . He had expended . £ 57 , 800 , and a staff which cost £ 1 , 300 a year . In addition , Mr . Barry had expended £ 150 , 000 more , making more than £ 200 , 000 for lighting and ventilation . The house divided , and the resolutions were adopted . ^ Colonel Dunne moved for returns connected with the expenditnre of the money spent—or f aid to be spent -in the Irish Public Works , one half of winch , he declared , had either never reached Ireland , or had never been of benefit to i \ The motion w « s agreed to . Mr . Rent proposed the re-appointment of the cwnmittte of bit year to inquire into the mode of assessing and collecting the in . come and property tai , and whether any other mode of levying the same could be adopted , so as to render the tax more equitable The motion was agreed to , and the house then adjourned .
THDIISDAY , Fra . 12 . HOUSE OF LORDS- _ After a discussion between the legal lords as to the details of tlie Common taw Procedure Bill Earl FrrzwnxuK drew attention to the outrage committed on the person of Mr . Mather , at Florence , by an Austrian officer and inquired what steps for obtaining redress had be « n adopted . ' Earl GiusraLE answered tliat immediately upon receivinjr in . telligence of the occurrence , he had given instructions to Mr , Sscarlett , the English representative at the Tuscau Court , to demand i ^ X ^ ZtA ^^ Z ^ eT ^ * ' upon lorfsh £ a £ ned . eHOnSe ^ a- *—**• *» anitheir HOUSE OF COMSTONS-Lord J . Hosceu brought in the Parlia » ife ^ a firrt ?^? 8 AwroEI > brou S ht ta N 8 Tenant-right Bill , which was read
Sir W . Joluffe moved for a Select Committee to inquire into the contoactB for supplying meat to the Ndvy . After considerable discussion , it was arranged that the in . ^ should oulygohack to the year 1845 , and tbe motion ^ Leave was given to bring in several other biltg , and a Com puttee on Customs was nominated , after which the house « dl JOUTOSCm ( From our Second Edition of lastweeh . ) FRIDAY , Feb . 6 . HOUSE OF LORDS—Earl Ghet , in reply to a question put by the Earl of Malmesbury , said , that ttere ^ nS law m this country to prevent the export of gunpoJder to South Africa , but he had sent to the Governor ofthVcaoe to take measures to prevent its getting into th « iT « , j P * the Kaffirs , who , he regretted to ^ ay . W ! M ! rfS * £ { tonAbQf ° i ! . PW 0 Rttt «»« y measures were adopted . He had asMa ^/ iKE ! 1 ^^^
an answer to the Marquis of Londonderry , Earl Grey 8 aid , he wa « quite prepared to defend the conduct of th « government in recalling Sir H . Smith . InappoSng ne otweUingS " tbC ; r had the h * ^ orU / oftoe Ke Their Lordships then adjourned . I ^ sss W ^ W ^ Lord ham moved forleaye to bring in a uu for the
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better supply of water in the metropolis . It was though ' that there should be various sources , tmtsubjeot to in peotion ai to its purity by a Government officer , au houses rated under £ 10 value Bhould be supplied ata given rate , and all theexiBting water companies oommg for now acts should hare their rates , &c , subjected to regulation . The same rules should , also , of course , apply to new companies , if any should ariBe . . " ..... Mr . Mowaii moved for leave to bring in a bill for TOBting the water supply and drainage of the metropolis , in convniBBioners representing the inhabitants thereof , and entered at great length into the details of his proposed scheme . Lord Ebbrikoton approved of tbesohemeof Mr . Mowatt . Sir G . Ga « defended the measure of Lord Sejmow , but would not oppose the bringing in of the bill of Mr . Mowatt , so that the house might have the opportunity of judging between the two . . . .
After a short conversation , leave was gives to bring m the bill . A slight diicusBion then arose on the motion of Mr . B . Osborne . to call Dr . Reid to the bar , and question him as to the means at his disposal for ventilating the house . In the course of this discussion a very general opinion was expressed as to the present defective ventilation , and . its evil consequences on the health of members . The conversation resulted in the appearance of Dr . Reid at the bar in obedience to an order of the house . The doctor proceeded to explain the difficulties imposed on him by the architectural construction of the hense , which he said were so great that he might as well be called upon to control the air in the Bay of Biscay as in the presen 1 House of Commons . If left to himself he could make tbe ventilation perfect . It was then proposed that Dr . Reid should be directed to do as he had suggested , but ultimately the subject was deferred till Wednesday next . The house adjourned at nine o ' clock .
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NATIONAL CHARTER ASSOCIATION . The Executive Committee met as usual on Wednesday evening , the 11 th instant . Present : MeBBra . Arnott , Bezer , Holyoake , and Graasby . Mr . Bezer presided . John Shaw waB absent through continued indisposition , and Thornton Hunt attending an in > portant public meeting . _ A great number of letters were received and read inclosing money , and breathing the utmost confidence in the integrity of this Committee . The report of the Delegate Meeting at Halifax , on the 1 st inst ., was submitted to the Committee , but to which they have no necessity to reply , as letters have reached London from the localities , of the said Delegates repudiating their resolutions .
"We have received a letter from the Metropolitan Delegate Council requesting us to call a Convention in ahc weeks time , as the only means ( they say ) of uniting and restoring the Chartist movement . ' We wish to say emphatically to the above Council and to the country at large , that we abide by our plighted determination to incur no liabilities until the present debts are liquidated . When our debts are paid , and sufficient funds are in hand to pay the expense * of a Convention , we will call upon the people to elect their Delegates , into whose hands we will resign our trust unsullied ; and let our successors be who they may , they shall be free from debt to begin with .
In the meantime , we hope the localities will organise themselves , for without local organisation and assistance all Executives and Conventions must be powerless . Conventions can only guide and instruct the people when united ; without an organised people Conventions have no one to legislate for . Amongst ' our numerous correspondence the following is worth the perusal of all veritable Chartists : — 8 ib , —I send you the other half of my contribution , and I hope that every member , or even every man that takes upon himself the name of a Chartist , will contribute his Is ., or what he is able , because it was in the Chartist cause that the debt was incurred , and every honest Chartist , who has a regard for the honour of the cause , will do his utmost to clear its debt . If I had ; a subscription sheet
, with the authority of the Executive , I might collect a few shillings . lam sorry to see men so inconsistent—men who profeig such liberal principles-after choosing an Executive , to declare th « nextmomeat that they have no confidence in it , before they even give it a fair trial . I cannot see what they would be at For myself , I place the utmost confidence in the present Executive . The manner in which they hare commenced their work prove that they are worthy of it . They talk nbouta paid Executive ; I should hue to see them adopt the words of Dr . Franldin—to pay their way ( or debts ) and have a penny over . I remain , yours , < fcc , „„ . David Afh , eck , « t „ t 73 ^ "mnrket , Edinburgh , 9 th February , 1852 . Mr . J . Grassby . "
Our financial affairs are brightening . The receipts up to Wednesday night are five pounds eleven ( shillings and sevenpence , reducing our liabilities to twenty-four pounds and tenpence halfpenny . ( Signed ) James Grassby , Secretary , Pro tern . ¦
receipts . Newoastle on Tyne per G . Grant , £ l Is . 6 d . ; James Finding , 2 s . ; W . B . Leicester , 6 d . ; J . Cameron , Manchester , Is . ; Forfarper John Tylton , 4 s . 6 d . ; Dundee per W . Hodge , £ 1 Friends per G . J . Holyoake , 15 s . ; Stockport , per Thomas Clewes , £ 1 ; Bromsgrove , per W . Kemben , 3 s . Id . ; Worcester , per James Harding , 8 s . ; David Affleck , 6 & . ; William Buzzard , Leicester , Is . ; Samuel White , ditto , Is . ; John White , ditto , Is . ; Joseph Eliott , ditto , 6 d . ; Edward Thompson , ditto , Is . ; Liverpool , Eev . WrL . Costine , 10 s . ; C . Hardy , Sheffield , Is . ; Total , £ 511 s . 7 d . JAME 3 Grassbt , Secretary , Pro tern . 96 , Regent Street , Lambeth .
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Metropolitan Delegate Council— -Finsbury Literary Institution , Sunday afternoon . Mr . A . Wood In the chair , The usual monthly subscription was paid by the Finsbury , Ship , Westminster , and City Localities . —Mr . Clarke reported that he had attended at the South London District with his colleagues ; that they had formed a locality and en . rolled twelve members —Mr . Knowles reported relative to the meeting called on the case of the Engineers by the De . legate Council . —The meeting was held at tbe Teetotal Hall , Royal MinUstreet , Tower Hamlets , on Thursday evening , and the attendance was good considering the boisterous state of the weather . —Messrs . O'Brien , Murray , and Ernest Jones addressed the raeeting . —A discussion took place between Mr . Jones and an Engineer named Taylor . —The resolution proposed was carried . —Messrs . Nicholls and Murray reported the result of their interview with the Clerken .
well magistrate , . relative to the policeman tearing down the bills posted by them calling public meetings . The magistrate could not give an opinion as to the legality of posting bills , and advised them , if the man had exceeded his duty , to apply to the Inspector of Police for that division . —Mr . Nicholls moved , and Mr . Washington seconded : — " That a letter be sent in answer to that from the Commissioner of Police , corroborating their former statement , and calling for him to deal with the officer according to the justice of the case —Mr . E . Jones moved : — « That another meeting be called in the most eligible part of London , to which the Trades should be invited . " -Mr . Clarke seconded the motwn . The result of tbe last meeting was very encouraging , and hod that at mi
swe gregood ght be effected .-After some discussion , in which it was stated that a Committee of working men were organised for the expreBB purpose of calling the attention of the public to all questions affecting the Trades of this country , Mr . Jones replied , and contended that it was immaterial what other parties called meetings : they had but one duty to perform , which was to arrange the labourers upon the side of political reform .-The motion was then carried , and it was decided that the meeting shonld be held o n Tuesday , the 17 th , at the Teetotal Hall , Rojal Mint-street—Messrs . Murray , Clarke , and F . Farrah , were Kv ! , ? Commlttee ^ carry the meeting into effect .-Mr . Nicholh moved , and Mr . F . Farrab secondedtbe follow
, - ing resolution :- " That this Council pledges itself not to incur debts or forestall its income to a larger amount than £ hV » vi £ T 8 in inactWe than t 0 incur a Urger mattn " ^ I " f' 1 ° ™ - ^ Murffly ar 8 *•* <*<* « motion was calculated to impair the tuefulnesa of the Council . The sense of theDelegates Wonld be their best guide . —The motion was lost oy the casting vote of the Chairman . -Mr . Jones moved the following resolution : — "This Coun-J 2 h ? " tf i 5 of a Chartist Convention with all possible speed , as the only means of uniting and retaining the Ch . rtu movement . " He believed tbe Executive would not call
such s Convention , knowing that it wonld immediate y depose them . He applied this to them , more particularly since the election of Messrs . Hunt and Le Blond . ;« £ 7 . ] £ . writtena letter 8 tatin 8 ^ at he could not join the Executive unless they joined the middle class . But h « 1 JJl v - ° ° - th 08 e tW 0 8 entlemen Mr ' Linton thn . Siri a entWm Of conUuuin S ° » ^ e Executive , o th » W em 0 Dstratln « that he hads ° W the movement nolicl hffl ' am 8 nt , ary Reformer 8- T « e supporters of that Er S ? aiar 2 eraai « ityin the Executive . They ! 2 t a « ta £ Um . able men in private life ' but they were £ ™ i . « S ' - By thh Conduct the ? had d « P ° 8 ed themselves . The majority of the places where Chartism
JltLf i 1 eaay decided aSain 8 t the Executive and in toManl \ Conve nti 0 ? ' « e ""' '« toonr of its being held The inh ? ° f Leed 8 - - « k «« PP « ted the motion , ine putmc meeting on the previous Tuesday was a proof nh te « T 7 \ ° wIe 88 U PP ° rted the ^ 0 ti 0 D ' His hVom !!/ ^^ the money would not be forthcoming . iWfc iI the manner in whichMessrs - L « Blond and 5 ! Whlw" ! T - Several localities had nominated trI ' oZ- ' , ll aPP « " -ed in the " Star , " but the J tRJ . »*»*« r tito It-Mr . Nicholls moved - oraer that the localities might instruct their delegates on thei subject . He believed " that the calling of " ( SSSttS * the pe « eat time would not prove beneficial , hTSSS
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not understand why those who had voted lor the Executive should now wish . to depose them . He believed that the majority of those who elected them would continue to support them . The Delegate Council had no right to call a Convention . That power belonged only to the Executive . If they disapproved of some of the men elected , that wai noreason why they Bhould be treated in an ungentleraanly manner , and - their legitimate functions usurped . If the Council called a Convention , and sat aside the powerof the Executive , many would hold with the latter body , and much strife and division would ensue . He approved of the recent additions to the Executive t though , under the circumstances , he should have declined had be been elected . If the Chartist * did not approve of them , why did they
not nominate other men . —Mr . F . Farrah seconded the amendment . —Mr . Murray : While tbe Executive were in existence be should Bupport them . It appeared strange to him that those who elected them should now refuse to recognise them . He did not know whether this was the act of the minority or majority . He considered that the two gentlemen recently added were not duly elected . A great division of feeling had taken place , and the hest course was to call a Convention : he approved of its being held In London . No Convention that could be held . would duly represent the mind of the country . Certain bodies of Chartists had made up their minds to have an Executive of three or five , and a Convention could only decide the question . The time for adjournment having arrived , Mr . E . Jones moved as an amendmeut to vbe adjournment : — " That the Council sit half an hour longer , and decide th e
question . It was important that London should give its opinion at the same time as the localities in the country . " Mr . Joftes ' c motion was carried , and the discussion was resumed . —Mr . Jones , in reply , stated that the men who were now placed on the Executive were tbe very men whom the country had rejected . It was useless to ask the Executive to call a Convention ; they would not do it . They were told that the Council had no power . They bad traitors at the head of the movement , and it waB their duty to immediately remove them . The majority of the Executive bad decided upon abandoniug tbe Charter . The country bad already decided against them . There were not 200 men in all the kingdom who acknowledged their authority . No men with common sense would support such a treacherous body . He implored them to act with the Council of Manchester and the other localities in the north , and save the Chartist
cause by calling a Convention . The motion was carried by a majority of two . —Mr . P . Farrah moved , and Mr . Washington seconded ;— " That the above recommendation be sent to the Executive . "—Mr . Jones moved , as an amendment : — " That a letter be sent to the Executive demanding an immediate answer a 3 to whether they would call a Convention to assemble in eix weeks from that period . The amendment was carried . —Mr . Weedon moved , and Mr . Clark seconded : — " That the monthly aggregate meeting of Chartists should be held in that Hall on Sunday afternoon , February 15 , to decide upon the propriety of calling a Convention . The motion was carried , and the Council adjourned . Finsbury Literary Institution . —Mr . A . Campbell lectured on Sunday evening . Subject : — " Alton Locke , a Chartist , Tailor , and Poet . " The lecture was well attended , and of a very instructive nature .
Sijip Inn , High-street , Whitechapel . —Mr . Leno was announced to lecture here on Sunday evening , but was prevented from bo doing . —Mr . Knewles reported from the delegate council , and a spirited discusaion took place as to the propriety of calling a Convention . Considerable business of a local nature was transacted , and the meeting ad * journed . South London Locauty . —Mr . Iron ' s Coffee-house , Broadwall , Stamford-street , Blackfriars-road . This newly organised locality met on Monday evening . Mr . Irons in the chair . Mr . Irons was elected treasurer , and Mr . Bryson , secretary . Mr . Bryson addressed the audienc ; at some length on the necessary steps to ensure a good organisation in that portion of the metropolis . Mr . Aah also followed on the same subject . Several new members were enrolled , and the necessary rules and regulations adopted .
South London Hall . —On Sunday evening Mr . J . G . Holyoake lectured upon the subject of " Organisation and the present aspect of all political and religious movements . " At thfl conclusion of his lecture Mr . Holyoake strongly im . pressed upon his audience the necessity of forming a branch of the National Charter Association in that district . Mr . Bryson followed on the same subject , and a very good feeling was manifested in favour of a sound Bvstem of organisation .
Eclectic Institution , Denmark-street , Soho . —On Monday evening a discussion took place between Messrs . J . Bezer and Heart on the following subject : — « ' Will Household Suffrage tend to promote tbe attainment of Manhood Suffrage ? " Mr . Bezer took the negative and Mr . Heart the affimative of this proposition . The question was ably analysed by both the speakers , who were much applauded . On a vote being taken the views of Mr . Bezer were adopted by a great majority of the meeting . The chair was ably filled by Mr . Murray , and the audience was very good .
Bradford Yorkshire . —At a meeting of the Democratic Council , held on Tuesday evening last , the following resolution was unanimousl y adopted : — " That we get up a requsition to our Mayor , requesting him to call a public meeting , to petition the House of Commons for the liberation of Messrs . Frost , Williams , and Jones . " And the Council would also suggest the desirableness of all places ( hrowghouk Great Britain adopting similar proceedings . —J . Moore , Chairman .
The West Riding Delegate Meeting . —Keighley . —At the weekly meeting the following resolution was unanimously passed , and ordered to be sent to the "Northern Star"for insertion :- "That we highly approve of the conduct of our delegate ( Mr . Firth ) to the West Riding Meeting , held on February 1 st , at Halifax , inasmuch as he opposed every resolution they passed , with the ex . ception of that which states that the resolutions be inserted in the' Northern Star , ' ' Notes to the People , ' and ' Rev . nolds ' s Paper . ' "—W . Emmott , Chairman . '
BiNGLEY .-Mr . R . G . Gammage delivered two lectures on Monday and Tuesday last , in the Odd Fellows' Hall , on " Past Revolutiones their causes , and the reasons of their failure . " The schemes of continental despots , the state of Europe , and the probable future in store for the etrumtlino peoples . Both lectures were well attended , and the lee . turn handled his subjects in a masterly manner . He sought to impress his audienceB with the fact , that without a recognition of the people ' s social rights , all political revoluions must of necessity fail ; and urged upon his hearers the atudy of those rights , which would enable them to v ? iel « i political power to their own advantage . An animated digcussion was carried on after the conclusion of the second lecture , after which the meeting separated .
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THE PROMISED REFORM BILL . A publio meeting was held on Tuesday evening at the Literary Institution , John-street , Tottenham-court-road to SSien meaaure of Ref 0 « n proposed by Lord John Mr . G . HionouB was called to the chair , and commenced hLS W 'l j * " *" 8 n thafc Lord jX had been compelled to abandon his finality doctrine ; when the ball was once set-rolling there was no knowing where it liT 6 ' » Mtoitto which Lord John would go S ? m ™ ^^ measure upon tho people themselvef-HSSS ££ iS £ r iwmum they migbt great 1 ^ Mr . C . Mdrray moved the following resolution : —
That , in the opinion of this meeting the bill introduced intn « , a House of Commons by Lord John Russell is unsat sfectorv and im , ajqfts ^ ttisssssfiSSSS SSsSSg ^ assHsaS £ sxapste ^ ss % 2 & . S u ^ - e ^" y . objectionable ip principle . The It woSrf till InVe ! -f , d in the maD « and nofc in ^ e house . £ ^ . im ^ V . greater de « ree of P ° wer in * o the hands ofthemiddleolass , thus carrying out the favourite idea of Cobden a nd men of his school , that the middle class Bhould govern the destinies of this Country . So olu i wfR
S w « ero « o such a power . A House competed ^ clusively of the working class would bo equally unjust The time was come when men looked further than mere ^ fls araiSBskrissur SSa&BSafiS * isssisigri
r ^ xi ^^ Ff- ^ s = igjsss had been afraid that if SUP * lom Poking for , and he why in hK nion the « m t Ter arrive ' " ^ tthereason sa «? W SSWifila i ¦ £ - £
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part union of tho millions . This they h ^ o tr ^ M while it was absent but little could be done . The A ^ 18 of the people had so disenchanted the minds of the * der from the question of Reform , that they now tWt ° e ' M worthy only the attention of scheme * , and hUtyVt H the agitators during late years had placed beforeX Al 1 9 pie such objects as a Reform in the church , or in th ? Pe ° ' M laws , or a reduction in taxation , as the object Reform * « to achieve . They never directed their attentioni toB > > 9 socia grievances of the people . They were toU bv ^ eal M men that the Reform Bill would reduce the armv ; J > Se M done lost the reverse . Cobden now told them that t * M wanted Reform to lead them back to the taxation of ife I The only good then it was to achieve was to bring i £ - 11 the same taxation as they had during the time ^^ i Borughmongers . The National Debt las doubTe nl ^ M what it was in 1819 . The purging power of ann to 1 was now doubled . The taxes now raised were LW ¦ ninety millions of taxation at that period . The min u ° M lent the government fifteen Quarters of whpat .. » , •„ , * .. * « m
monetary value at that period , would now receiv e Z * M quarters for every one he lent him ; in Birmin » bi ? 2 " , I he would get five times more , and twelve timesiXff 1 Manchester and Glasgow . Instead of progressing in kl ' I ledge and liberty the contrary was the fact . \ t % JJl * - 1 a worse position now than in the days of James I p 1 since the aocession of the House of Hanover and t ? 1 Wh . gs to office , the power of the middle class had eon . 7 i increasing , and the debt and taxation increased ilT ^ 1 same ratio . Mr . O'Brien spoke at great length Son tS ° I subject , and was much applauded . m tbl 5 » * M w ^' Harnky suppor ted the resolution . In relating S to Whig measures it had often been observed « tk ? i blessed were they who expected nothing , for they JJu I not be deceived . " - This could not be said of the pSS 1 measures It wasi made up of morsels ; it proposed HS I a little to everybody . There was a sop for all p £ 1 Instead of putting down bribery it was calculated to in I crease it . The leading proposition was the lowering I qualification from being rated at £ 10 to £ 5 . How man i £ 5 rented houses had they in London ? lie doubted if if i would add one person to the constituency of the jnetronolii § It might slightly increase it in the country : but TJT : 1
word was said of a repeal of the rafce-paying qualification 1 which , so greatly reduced the present constituency . HeTa li not believe it would add above three or four hundred thm . H sand to the constituencies of the great towns . TheincteasB I in the rural districts , accompanied by the ballot , would tend I to swell the power of the landed interest . Its object was 1 to keep the power of tbe lords of land and capital above I that of labour . There was no property qualification neceB- I sary in Scotland , but they availed tbe working men of I Scotland but little , because they had not the principle of B payment of members added . The same reEUlt would b& 1
wuaa m England . No real wording man , or one who i earnestly advocated their rights , would find his way into that house . Some who had once been working men might by the influence of their patrons , be returned to act as mere tools to those patrons . The chief good it would produce was , the aocelerated power it would give working men to stand on the election platform side by side with the aristocratic candidate . Mr . Harney , at considerable length , analysed other portions of the Whig document showing its futility as a remedy for national grievances . The resolution was then put , and oarried unanimously , The meeting adjourned at a late hour .
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AGRICULTURAL DEPUTATION TO LORD JOHN RUSSELL . A deputation , consisting of members of the'Eastern Coun . ties Agricultural Association , waited upon Lord John Rus-Bell , at his official residence in Downing-street , for the pur . pose of impressing upon his lordship the neceBBity for con- I cedingthe repeal of the malt tax , an equitahle measure of tenant right , a thorough revision of the present mode of managing the county expenditure , the abolition of the game laws , the removal of restrictions to tbe growth of exoiseable articles , and the adaption of the tithe rent charge to present prices . The deputation stated that the originators of the movement believed that a return to proteotion was , under any circumstances , impossible , and they were determined , instead of being deluded by false hopeB , to rely upon themselves , and employ every constitutional means in their power to achieve the objeots they bad iu view . Several members of the deputation having addressed
his lordship , Lord John Russell replied that he could not at present enter into all the important matterB which bad been brought under his notice , but he would not fail to give them the fullest consideration . He might observe however , with regard to the malt tar , it must be understood that it supplied so large a source of rovenue that the Chancellor of the Exchequer oould hardly afford to spare it . In respect to the excise duties , he doubted whether they could make out their case that the consumption of corn was diminished by the duty on malt , because it must be recollected that the beer duty was taken off in 1830 , and the war duty was repealed after the peace . He oould not deny that the excise duties were in some respects injurious , but ho thought it would be a serious thing for tbe government to propose the enlwe abolition of the malt tax , or no attempt to substitute another tax for it . The objections , however , which had been brought forward were well worthy of consideration , and he promised that they should receive the attention of the government .
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CORN . Pn . ' Monday , February 9 .-We haa a short supply of SKm ' v " owing , which , unless of beBt dry quality , sold ddS ^ tt ? " » y P »«"; in fore ign there mi not much aoing , hut prices did not undergo any change . Flour met with a secondary and inferior « amples , the turn lower . Beans and Peas mLn a ^ i v , 7 ^' ^ 5 J M » valBof Oats were modenot ; « t 2 " adSnc ? "" *** ** fre 8 h C ° ra ! h ° ld 8 M ' hOff ever > could
CATTLE . SHiTHPiEtD , Monday , February 9 .-With both EngliBh , Scotch , whfote ^ W" *? ' market WaS Mmewhath ^ vilysuppl ffi ^ Sw ??* " * " * Z ™ eoodl Notwithstanding that the attendance Of both town and country buyers was on the increase Swaraid TwaW ^ f M 6 i * " £ , and in some instances jJiicea warn / a . ( yeu slfasj lower than on Mondav last A fi > w vprv superior Scots realised 3 s . Bd ., butthe general top figurV for Kef ! ln ^ e ™! aiJJ 6 iPe ? BBtt . The heaviness in thldemand was
* ndllSZii y Tiarge < luanUtie 9 <> f m « at on sale in Xingate « nd Leadenhall , and the continuance of unusually wet weather . ZhS ! /^ ^ ^ y ° 8 hee P was tokmblyexten v auiri hn ™ t « mtaioii . For all breeds we had a very slow in ' S ' stVii ™ ° » f £ lne * H ^ mit si to in the quotations . The 8 » 8 Abonts nn ^ , beSt old D ?™ in the wo ° l » was 4 s 4 d r er less mmZ h ' i ? were 6 horn ' and which sold at Sd per sk less money than those in the wool ; that is to say , the best Downs in the mar&r T h at 3 l 8 d pe J . 8 B ) 8 : About 10 ° "orsetlambsZe 8 Tbs CnllL ' ii , They ° , han . « d hands 8 lovrl y- at fro" «• 8 d f 5 a per SowIt t * Uhl Upp ^ , w * ilcb 7 a 8 m ° derately good , moved off ve v s ' l ' ow fla nfn ? - enOie l llad , a downw « d tendency . We had a 7 8 a e "Wj ' barely stationary prices lOd
JJZ n a . * W . Pork 2 s , £ tH' SS ^ l ™^ Veal 2 S to offal ) . ' ° . 81 Odl Price per 8 tone of 81 bs - < 8 inWD E fte « SS ? J ^ M ^ teMwraaa , Monday , February O .-Sinco these last rXdZ ^ f ™ been but moderately supplied with townberal ? C 8 lp r 0 n ! i ifrnvaI ? - from , J e P rwinc « have been on a ^ ss ^ tsssssr ^* tbe demand is ta a siuggish 8 tate
PROVISIONS . London , Mond : iy . -There was nothing of importance nacsine in our market lust week . For Irish butter the demand wa 8 slow aUa the dealings only to a moderate extent , at prices mosUy in . favour ot buyers . No alteration in Dutch . In baton there was not much SH-3 ?»«»* 33 BREAD . POTATOES . aSSw ? ih t PetenBI 3 ; . -- 1 ) llril W the P astwwk tlie ES ~ MW ^ afiAS weather , and the small consumption , we cannot quote any
improve-COTTON . batoTrf 2 !! M eb : 10 - ~ The 8 ale 3 t 0 " aay are « timated at 7 , 000 baW ThL e ? P ° rtets have taken 1 , 000 and speculators 1 , 500 h ™ » tlM * ° ^ Wt of 4 ' 000 Ame"can , 10 C Pernam andMaranqfl ' » m $ < ° 4 < i V 7 G Bahia at 4 » d t 0 4 i ' J ! MO Egyptian , fid to Thl dll f Urat l 3 d ^ ° 4 d and afew fcto * ea MbX Ud to Miihe imports since Thursday are 25 , 000 bales : The market closes 2 ? ' Co ™ pjl "' i w » tn Friday ' s rate * , prices of American below ffiSH ? i i 2 * i 6 thohMP 5 r ' whil 8 ttllo 6 e «* w « are fully as dtW , ourat is l-16 th dearer ; other sorts are unchanged .
WOOL . City , Monday . —The forthcoming public sales are expected to reach about 20 , 000 bales , and to go off steadily . The latest vcounts from Australia show that the clip will be Bot in better thaa might have been expected . The imports of wool into LolaonS ftSfSSata ^ V t al £ B r ° i y ^ ° o from K ° " SSI irom opam , 142 from the Cape , .-rail the rest from Mnrlrosi |^ SESgS « S FoawGJf . _ Siiice the public sale of last week " there J ^ hwn little ftsranawajc *— * i « i
HIDES . ,. Ji " ™ nAIX —Market m'des , 5611 ) . toWlb UA fniafl nwlb . ; | p 5 f » SiS l l li i i Calf-skins , each , Is . 0 a . to 3 s Qd . . horse-hides Ss lo 0 s '
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Northern Star (1837-1852), Feb. 14, 1852, page 8, in the Nineteenth-Century Serials Edition (2008; 2018) ncse.ac.uk/periodicals/ns/issues/vm2-ncseproduct1665/page/8/
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