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jfr Fhieo ^ , —When yoi learn that I Lave been Terv ill » = confined to the hou * s for three days of iv ^ Week , that I hare written nearly a whole book , jetteT for Qe&ve's Circular ^ attended two public oaetiEFS , » n ^ h& ^ da ^ J consultation with put Mend Mr . Roberts , upon the proceedings to take pkce on Friday , in the Queen ' s Bench , you will l ^ expect a letter upon the Land , in the . present
jfnmber . Howerer , I rpjoice toaeeihat the subject is forcing its ? If on the attention' oT = iftf ^ classes . I fcjre been reading Id the Times of this morning , the speech of Mr . Ecnghton , recently made at an asricui * t ^ ral dinner , and from that I le&rn that the minds of ihe k « fsrmcra are being turnf d to the consideration cf some mean ? by which a market may be opened for the emp loyment of labour ; which , if not done , will ctt up the profits of the big men , in the shape of poor rates . Thus is the monitor now speaking who , nH compel s hesricg .
I trust thai the London reporter of the Star win gaid a sood report of my lecture upon ^ he Land , celivered on Tuesday night , to the most attentive and eB-ghtened audience it baa evtr been my good fftriuueto address . i iiiiEk I may with truth say , that my fondest aJTK - z'lon ? are more than a hundred-fold realized ; jg ' jv ^ c no rcascii to expect that men who nerer gee a j . reen field , and who only know that meat is fossa in butchers' shops , ana \ . gefCbles in green grocer ;' , would be so anxiously alive to this allicpens- ' Jnbjec : ; however so it was . The question his tsKca root , aid grow , and nourish , and ma : ure , it assureci j will .
On Monday , the J 2 ch of Jane , 2 shall have the £ rs : number cf a practical work en smsJl farms r ^ ady for patlicsnon . Each number will contain fortyejhi pages of original matter , -wi ; h plate 3 , illusirsjbj plats of public buildings , cottages , and ground ? , jiid ? tising forth the plan by which 1 hope to see tbe preset carried en :, price sixpence ; and I hare j o request ihat timejy orders may be sent to BeTWOod , Oidhsjn-streei , Manchester ; Cl'sve , 1 , Sioe-isnf , Fleer-street , London ; and Hobsou , Sorihfrn $ -it Office , Leeds ; as I hive no desire to tare £ 1 , 500 wonh of pamphlets \ th upoa my hands , i « I hid of portraits , which were ordered but not paid for .
i hare strong nope that in my next I may be able to congratulate you upon the successful conclusion of the Lancaster trial * . I the more lo :: g for ? uch a revolt , as I feel assured : hat an unfavourable termination would hare a -rery prrjadieial cffcci apon the health of Mr . Roberts , who has really beeoice a monomaniac upon tins , to him , all-absorbing snbject . Ise i " ould Ireland'' doing her work well I Didn ' t I tell jou that when Paddy btcare iu eirnes : he would be an awkward casiomer ! Hurrah for tlie Repeal I but not of ilie Ccrn Hits . Your faithful servant , Tzxiicvs D'Conncs .
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LOJ « I > CN . —A public lectuTe was delivered on TBc » c * TereniEe , at tie C ' . tyof JL -vdov I oiitlcal and Seec ^ fk Ia ~ titu ;" on , by Feixgns O'Connor , E-q . apon the land , admiiiion twopence . Shortly previous io eight o ' clock , Mr . O'Connor arrived , and iras ETeeied with loud approbation . On ibe nation ofMr . Ccfiay , Mr . Shaw was called to th- chair , led in an appropriate rca * iu-r introduced the i . usine £ s of ihe evening . Mr . U'Connor commenced by alludicg to the nucibrrs tre ^ 'nt , and expressed his surprise that m > nninterestinsj a subject a . ' the land should tare drawn so many together . The h- / by the artifices of wilv statesmen and glib ph-jlo .-r-pbrrs
tad beer ; artfuily ghronded frenj the r . ew cr -. vc ; j-Eig men , yet theTe was r . ot a single person present who , in thr sbspe of breai . tuner , milk , be f , Scz . tms not irirrftSTed in : i . The Izzd wa 3 the grsna Eource from TrhtiiCe "was procnr ? d eTerything they ccuiumed , vrc-re , or liTed t > y ; ai . d what morewscec < . £ ? ary to show it in ns em fa 5 cinatiL » : form I The lazi was at the bottca of every national qtedon . Jf it was a question of nai-. ocal taxation , the land w ^ a at : L :- bcu < -m ; it h was a State Caurch qnestjon , or ce ? of demand and >;; pp ! y , of exportarica or Jmpcriai :- ? i 3 , ihe laiid wag at the bottom . Wirs- were all questions of ij ^ provement , though clocked under : k } & ~ ± f tsclo&irt biite , drainage b : !>~ .
Slz . bn : qucstioiis of the ; a ^ i ? » ; was tha t subject wh-ch w ^ s r ; ow drirlrg sas « m ? n mad and risking fools laugh—the subject of the Corn Laws , but a qcesuon of ihe land }—( Hear , heir . ) Dii they suppc > e that the House of Corneous had sat so msr . y hou : ? ob the previous night to < IJ 5 ci : ss a question of Casac'au rights ? yosuca thicj : ; :: was shou ;^ core be jrrewn on British cr American land . Cobbctt ,: ha : i . reat writer oi ; ail quc 5 :: on 5 dear to workin ? men , he d established theJar ; : hat Britain had icnr tJires mrre la . nd than ires reccs ^ aiy io grow food fcr her r opuJation . Wha : s-Te povrer to the army and th ? na-ryi—What prodacid the Income and o : L-tr taxes \— Wifa : suppc-r . ei the Special Contr > i ? sion , by which ha asd others had be :-ii tried , but the nsalsjoprojrriav . on of tcel ^ d ! I ; was the ev'I of polit . c ^ i pc-vrer be ; ng
attached to the Itnd , which hs wa ? aiiXiccs to de-BOL-crste ; deprive th * laud of iis enfrsnehising cul ; t : es , and i : would then be brought into the retaiEarket ; then wfjld the isstion become great edpowenn ] . It m' £ ht be Zz ^ . r ' . ed , b- ; -P 2 n > e ' -hey TftrisurrcEcded by splindcur , 2 rd because tore ^ ners put their capital in uur ' unls , that the uati *; E was rcii ; nd powerful ; bat tha : cn : y showed : he wealth of it ? few aid the j / Ov-. rjj of iLt ms . ny . For a sation to be ^ reai , every : naa 13-- ; fc-3 sombody ; a JBsa H- > . h so stlfrtrpcct was like a weed i ;; a corn Sild ; aad he had no hesitatijn " : u as ^ fnina th at fcj cakii , ^ men isdivicual'v powerful , by gvvmg them the sf'il of the country , they would be more rppec-ed as a catioc , com at home and abroad , ttip they - » vcre now , even jf thf y Lad not a KaI 3 ea atht i : i .: ; oia ] ceffers . So long as land gaTe votes , » ier-2 would the landlords let it to those whose
Tc . rs rsfy couid commaud , acd wpnid keep it oni of th- r-rtaiJ marker . The rnf . mert a man com'S- ' . ~ z ; i libucriDg for the benefit of another , that corner « kv-: ry cocunenced ; atd . when he should "Sfork fvr bis own indiridaai benent , then would e £ j * i * iil ir ^ doin commence . The prtsent acministn : : ^ , Tiiih the fxception of the DuKe of Buec-rL ' i a ^ . jj a f others , might be ri-jhtly t-arm ; d the fzz ~ . tr Adicinistration ; they had all sacriSc . - ^ lien es- . a - = icr political p ^ wer . A mac who did not ^ v-- " - ' i .- the question might ssy , if land would fens * rh-em so zesch more in the retail market vfcj Co -. her keep it in the wholesale on ? ! It was Istanfe if -bey could make fire or ten millions inor ^ cf thsir nzzi ; 5 : u the retail market , they could m ^ ke one LEtcrrd millions by retaining poluical power .
Ti : s Mr . O'Connor illustrated by several examples . Was rot th- State Church a Isnd question ? The htiiStr bfoze thousand acres being bennd up in the sj ~ fa , rrco- ; zed tithes , & . C ., as a national tsx , let if the c ^ e tr cusand acres was divided tmont ; rfr'iEtjred 2 id 5 f-y small proprietors he behevid v Jcilc hi a ciiiSouh matter for my Lord NY hamc ^ fis ct ir . y .:: her nan to persuade such a rural popshstivn : r . ii th £ 7 on ^ ht to pay for the suppon of » ehacb c j po .-eti , ' r-rrhaps , to their principles , or to 2 J&TK-tj who c ^ mned their soul 3 once a we « k . -The Caarer was esEeciaily a land question . What die t £ fTTr- t bat the power of applying their labour to »* raw material for their own benefit ? and unt'l t ^ J get pcEsessicn of the raw material of the » nd th ? y wou'd reTer be able to compete with " * Ltriathan maunfactarfr . What was the new
* ptatioi ] thit was now bczzini : about the ears of Sir Egbert ! he ( Mr . O'Connor ) had predicted that the Es 2 t hirric ^ ne that parsed oTer Sir Robert would be BM&ettiEE more than a Charti-t breeze , that it would wone vhich would sprr-g fr < m his own atmosphere * Bd be Eursed in . his owa crtolc-. He sarr the Bncks aeeticg ; he saw the Berks m < fiin ? ; he saw ths .-ttose -wfco halloed on Sir Ilob rt to power as the 9 ^ 7 pi lot who could guide me -vessel , the Buck-^ aiais and the Blackstones , were arrayed against ^ D j and possessed mere power on the plat-Iora tfean Peel on the rostrum ; the warfare had Bo t ? ' commenced between tbe agriculturist who * EsQcd at Downing stre ? i , and the agriculturist wno whistle Et the plough . What was the new Portion of Ireland—( hear , hear , and cheer ? , ) tbe Poaton of the most industrious men that the sun f * & ' shone on ! Did they demand for tnem 5 elTes auth
» or luxury ! Ko ; bnt tbey demanded that ^ hicen should be allowed to cultivate the soil of ifcer native land . Tbe landlord and the parson were *** « -variance , though the former had got fire per « "t . taken off , yet he thought the parson got Berentyll ^ Per cent . more than he ought . What was the ^ jjjrcrwt of Scoflaad question ! it -was not one of gas , " BKwnfcbJM , or ef shadow ; the Chnrck neT « fenght ^ MadowB ; to tbe deril Blight go the « piritu * litie ponced bob grasped the substance . It s naught S ^ * qnmion of the land . What ttm ihe xtepeal oi we Lorn L » W 3 ! It ni not one of the moon or stars , uumgp these might h » Te * n influence on the ffe » th *> r , "J" » t was a question of wheat , and though r ^ J tad cloaked the subject OTer and hidden « ifcder » heap of metaphjaics , yet sober-minded Jfcifccg men argued that land produced wheat , and « en caae the question of how to get the land > M » b ibis subject , he had thought much , and writ-1611 Efich ; but he uerer could drrine why men
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should rec ^ iye their sympathy and applause who kept from them the land—the means of obtaining their subsistence . He had heard the weeping poor man s friend wailing that his bread should be so ? ^~ had heard the dissenting and the bigb e ^ id parson weeping and sympathizing , and still coining me poor man ' s sweat into gold ; and , w > . gn he heard and read in the press of their symp&Uu-, was it not natural that the working man shouliiuppose that they only wanted their eyes openedjo the true remedy immediately to adopt it ? but the fact was , that the manufacturer equally with the aristocrat was interested in depriving the poor man of political power , and of keeping the land in the wholesale market —( load crk-3 of hear , hear ) . Ht
challenged all the glib philosophers of tho day j to overiuru his position . With &ix hours notice he 1 weald meet any Oxoninn cantab , political economist , orMalthusian philosopher , and prove the correctness of bis TKiv ? en the land . That iaau was entitled to his freedom was allowed by politicians of all cariies , ' but an artificial barrkr was placed between him and \ the ca ' - ^ rai coor by whieh to acquire that freedom . The manufacturing market was overloaded with labourers . Many of his poor countrymen were compelled by dire necessity to come to the land of th-e stranger icr thsi sustenance denied to them in the , ' land of thur birth , and thereby constituted a reserve 1 for the employers to fail back upon . He would open ' fur them ihe natural market , the landwhich would !
, regulate the price cf tne artificial market ; and all who were tired of tbe rattle box—all those mothers waoso children where earned to the manufactur- ! ing charcel house—all those fathers who by , the gl'tnaeriDg of th * <¦ a ? es , by the light of the moon , dragged their offspring to unnatural toil—all ; taose men who were lired of Hr ng on the labour of ' thrir wives and children , would iluck to this natural i opening for their exertions . He wished not to iimii machinery , he proposed that machinery should ' be man ' s hoaaay and nc : hi ; , curse . H j would alleviate thtir toil not by abolishing machinery , but by i subjecting ii to fair competition with the natural market ; then instead of all tho -sveaith being in the ] hands of tha idle , and want aad misery being the
portion of the industrious , r . hc manufacturers would be compelled to do one of two things , either to close their shop 3 or to give as good a price for labour as i > would fetch ia the ca' -ral marker . Why they did not do this was because they were afraid of one \ another . Peel wa 3 trying to jac ^ le the anti-Corn Law League , and the League were trying to juggle Pee ) , and they well knew that both parties wtre ; jugftlicg them . ( An Ir- ^ hman here asserted that Cob i den was not trying to juggle . ) He would try Cobden by that tesc , dearer to him as an Irishman than aU others . Would Cobaen vot « for the R p ^ al of the j L ' Lion ? When that question was discussed in the House , and spite of Use frothy declamation of Peel and Wellington , though they might fill the House
iulier than it would hold with denunciations of Re peal ; ytt they must discuss it—( cheers ) . Ho a > ked , ' again , wcula Cobden rote for it ! The -question . of lUpeii was entwined with thai of the land ; they were told they had not land enough to grow food , but must call in the aid of scientific legislation Let them look at Ireland—let the Irish , instead of * migratirg from the lund of thtir birth , be allowed to remain and cultivate it ; a ? : d , aft « r they had supplied their ewn popnlaiiou witn bread , beef , butter , i and all the good thing 3 of the linrf , tfc * -y would nave i surplus enough to supply the whole English population . Tfie question of Repeal was ina-.-ed a question 01 the lano . Mr . O'Connor then related , iu a humourous manner , an anecdote of an Irishman he ;
had met the previous evening , who bad left his em- j ployment , because ho thought so much of Repeal ; and , after giving him Is ., a * ked him to -what purpose he would apply it \ ** He would send it to the 1 rint' to be sure ; " when Mr . U'Connor gave him another for himself . Mr . Cobbett had &aid that a quarter of an acre of lacd would keep a cow all the y . 3 r , and that its produce won ! d be , with seventeen days labour , £ 57 per annuK . > ir . Ccfabett , they must recollect , was no : a theoretical man ; he boasted that he dug the ground , sowed the seed , and reaped the harrc 5 t . Mr . O'Connor then went into ihn minute de ' . ailr of the land question , and mc > : fc «; - ingly described the miseries endured by the rcas .- oi the r-opuiation , and the comparative para ^ e the iji . * : neist of the land wculd place within their
r < ach . They were told he was not loyal—that he was gui'fy o : sedition , routs , riots , lutnult ? , reoi-iMon , icd the devj ] kuew what b ^ ide ; h . had LefTi found gu-. lty of c ' oi : g nothing . Ntw h-re , he had done notirng , atd ^ one it wrong—( . au ^ httr ) T ; j < v wt-u : 4 ue loyal when they had tsorr . ' t-irrg : o ks vyii to—wacn they had sometb'ns ; ia r ; i ; m for it ; could they be loyal to a rattlp-b . s , to 2 . - ¦ ea rn enc-ne , a ra lrrai . s stock Excha-ti f Tf . or a palace ! there w . i j n > ore loyilty in sifin . sj utdrr the rivtn o ^ V ; tvhere tficir fathers hs . d sut ; there v-iB more ! oy 3 lty in treaaing the grassy path ttill Iresh witli the Joots ' . eps of their forefathers , and in milking the cow which their mothers had milked ; there was n . ore Lyalty in living in the hou ? e where their f-L-hers nad bved ai ; d in being buried in the same p . ac _ - ; there waj more loyalty in going to the
parish school , to th- " parish church or cnapel—in vix ^ Ti g ino ? i- b ? auiics of nature , than there was in ioil . r . n : U a rat ^ l ^ -bcx or gazing at a tplendid review , —there was patriotum , a higher word than luyahy , in those fcfMu ^ — : here was love of country . When these tirce . « ££ ain reiurued there would be no fear of diisizecrion . A contented rural population , if threatened with foes or invasion , TfOHld run vrith greater a ' ai'rity to the j-ound of their cottage being in dm . ^ er , t sn rouse to : the cry of the church is a tumkiiug . He was scarcely sorry thing 3 were coma to the pretest pass , if out of them the regerrration of his country should striDL '; he ccui » i scarce complain of
persecution , oi bt : n » z ' mon bisnithti from his native land , ; if out of his s : ni £ gl ; n £ , good f-hould ari ? e . He had srrcggled long and well to attain the mighty object ; of achieving freedom for both nations , and he j thanked God that the day had arrived , when the English ¦ workki classes could tefetify their love for Irc-iana—( erest cheering ) Their ij . juries and their res € E : mcnts were Juried in oblivion ; ifee party spirit ei ' rouraged by th ^ ir epp-f ssors had given way before thei ; enerou = msivme ? -of tntirdisposition ; all angry UiC'dgnts - weTO b ^ risLto now vhat hh country was assailed by the common en ? my . Mr . O'Connor then atain reverted to the capabilities of the land , and ridiculed the idea of a superabundant population ; if there was not something wrong and perverted in
man ' s character , could he wnh feelings of au ^ ht but indignation look on the trooper ' s fatted horse and view also a starving > opnlat : on ? could - he fee tha splencid equipiges of the great , with th = ir fatted horses tf-nded like babes , whil ? the children of workinc m-u were deprived of 1 food ? Why shonld his coun'ry ,-:. -n bo sent to foreign j shores to la- ? their bones ii ! a foriegn grave , wkile the trooper ' s horse employed for slaughter and ; destruction , wa ? consuming th ? corn of their father- land ! H-iwGuld s « e th '^ throats of c-veiy fatted bor ? e , of every dog , cu ; ; and of every rnimal which iived upun man's food ; lie wouM would see t ' . e state !} forest roofed up :::: ihtir . "•! - - uian
dt-c-trines ; 2 nd then , if God in hi ? ri . crct otd not send a snfiicrc-. supply of food , hew ^ ui- ; dr&v ? ) p ' . s wirh , his fellow men who should ^ 0 to foreign iands in ' search of 5 * , but nntil thec , fsid Mr . O ' Connor , let us hear no more of the , W 2 ilinir advocates of ' Malthus , and thtir tricks of trad .- ' . Until nryn was ' placed upon the soil to support himsf if by hi ? own ' labour it was idle te talk that the land would no : support the population . Mr . O'Connor then ¦ alluded to the embarrassed state of the G ' -v-. rnment , ' and to the stand hi ? countrymen were makicg for 1 Repeal , and concluded by stating that nis doctor ; had sovised him cot ro 2 ttend meftic ^ a in his pre-EC-nt delicate health : bnt he felt more in-. igorated
and refreshed cow tnati when h : entered i ) : ~ room , he believed they had done him more gto ^ i ifcin i- ' i . c had taken all the diugsin a doctor ' s fch -p ; ir wa . - ; the sitting too close to the fte-k Ead attencmg Its : at 1 ? eetites , whiUi had lately injured his health . Mr . O'Connor then exemplified the advantages c ; union , by referring to the profits of the meeting whieh «• . rs devoted to the paying a portion of the debt off the hall , and sat coot aitid great applause . Mr . Parkcs moted , and Mr . Railton seconded a vote of thanks to Mr . O'Connor , which was carried by acclamation . Mr . O'Connor briefly replied . Mr . Wheeler moved , and Mr . Wales seconccd a -vole of thanks to iut chairman , and the meeting adjourned .
A Meeting ef ihe Cobi . ciI resident in London , w&a held on Sunday afternoon , a' the Political and Scientific Institution , Tcrcagais-lace , Mr . Knight in the cbair . Mr . Wheeler waa appointed Secretary protein . Cor ; espondenc * was re&d from Cogg ! esholl , Oldham , Greenwich and other place ? . Mr . Wheeler atated that in consequence of tbe majority vt the country number fc » Tia « left London , tnd tho paccity of commnnication from the country , it vna advisable tnat tte idea of a Delegtte meeting being held on the following Totttdaj ehould b « abandoned . Mr . Page moved and Mr . Mallard seconded that the sn >> je * t shculd be avjoorned one mon'b , in order tbftt tfce important districtB in tbe country might bare an opportunity of expressing vfcfeii opiniorui on the beat time and plact ; of holding & Delegate Meeting } . Mr . Simpson supported the motion and urged tfce neoeisiry of immediate steps being taken to call a Conference , U ^ t boz . 6 rffi , ient orfarizition might be adocted ; Mr . Thorpe wae of opinion tnat the meeting Bbould be bdd on the Tuesday , it would aerTe as a
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preparatory conference . Mi . Mills moved as en amendment that it be deferred a fortnight ; tbe ansir . dment was not seconded and the original motion was carried without a dissentient . The Council then adjourned for one month . The Metbopolitan Delegate Meeting was held on Sunday , Mr . Knight in tbe cbair . 2 > . ( jJ . was received from C ! ockbou . "e aiid Is . 6 d . from B : eainabury . The meeting then adjourned to make room for tlie
General Council . Political and Scientific Institution , Tl'rn aGain-Lake—Mr . Park « s preached hero on Sanday morning , and was much applauded . On Sunday bvenin *; , Mr . Pirkes addressed a large audionco on tho fate of Fruit and otbtr political martyw , and was listened to -with great attention . Mr . Brown occupied tbe chair . Messrs . Mee . B ? ' > wr < , Snurr , B-nbow , Aluntz , Cowan , and RMnbont * , t ^ uk purt in a e . iscusaion whicb entued . A collection wai --larte at the close .
SOUTH SHIELDS . —Mr . Beesley lectured he ^ a on Tuesday erenir ; , ; it . Mr . D . ijlea ' s , Scarbro' Spi . on the land question . After the lecture the Mlowm p Tesolntion , proposed by Wm . Gilflllan , seconded by T born as Routtedge , and ably supported by Mr . Samuel Kydd , booiselJ ^ r , was unanimously agreed to : — " Tout it i 8 th opinion of this meeting that the letters of F ^ arana O'Connor , Esq ., on the land , and the lectures of Mr . Beesley , on tho same subject , are well worthy of the serious attention of the people of this country , as the best means of obtaining the People ' s Charter ; also the rarest method of securing their permanent happier-- ^ when thai CTeat measure becomes the law of the
land . " TSOVI 1 X , SojinKSETSHinE . —A Mr . Brown , . a Corn Law Re pooler , lectured htrc on the Corn Laws , a few days a ^ o . Ho was opposed ty iir . C . Maunder , who sor . ^ ht to obtain from liim a . distinct avowal that the repeal of tho Coru Laws , under esistins ; c ^ cum ^ tances , would benefit ll ; o people . The Icctunr , however , fought shy , and left the town without ti&ctinjj the object for which ho came . The " lads '" taught him a Iosson , and convinced him that ho could not havo all his own way .
ARNOLD , near Nottingham . — In our last paper we gave an account of the proceedings consequent upon the elec : ion of a person to the office of poorrate collector . We have now to state that the poll , which had been demanded by the Whigs , tooic place on Monday hst , when the Chartists rallied in all their strength , and by a determined effort placed their man at the head of tho poll , tho numbers being —For Mr . Mellow . Chartist , 228 ; for Mr . Thomas , the Churchman , " 2 i . > 3 ; mpjority , 25 . The announcement was received with tremendous cheering . BURY . —On Sunday two t-ermons were preached by Mr . Hill , in the Garden-street Room , on behalf 0 ; the fuiins of ihe Sunday school connected therewith . The congTe ^ aticns were numerous and attentive . The collections amounted te £ 7 4 ^ . 5 d .
ROCHDALE . —On Tuesday evening Mr . Hill lectured iu the Theairo to a , Suil hou ? 3 . After the lecture he called tho attention of the audienco to the condition of poor Cooper and Richards in Stafford hell hole . A committeo was appointed to draw up a petition forthwith and to ? end it to Mr . Crawford for presentation . Both there and at Bolton a number of the new Chartist Hymn Duuks mu buu ^ ut by tho pcoplo i ihe irado prcfi : upon which Mr . H . gives to the defende fund , in tho name of the respective towns .
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HOUSE OF COMMONS—Fridat , Mat 19 . Several notices of motion were given and questions asked . After which Lord Stanley brought forward his resolutions relating to the importation of Canadian wheat and wheat flour . The Aoble Lord moved that , iu lieu of tbe duties cow payable upon wheat and wheat flour imported into tho Uaited Kingdom from Canada , the dn'y for ev .-rv quarter of wheat should be Is ., and for every barrel of wheat , meal , or flour , being 356 pounds , a duty equal in amount to the duty payable on 3 Ui gallons of
wheat-Mr . Labocchere opposed the motion , and moved as an amendment , an address to tin .- Crown to withhold the Royal Assent from the Bill passed by the Canadian Legislature . Mr . Thornely seconded the amendment . A deba : e en . ' -ued , in the course of r .-hich several members gave utterance to iheir stn'i / rs ' nts , and at midnight , tbe debate was adjourned until Monday .
MONDAY , May 22 . In answer to a question from Sir Andrt . w Leith Hat , relative to the Secession from tho Scotch Church , Sir James Graham said thatninety-tliree endowed Miui » ter 3 of ihe Established Church had t-eceduii , a ; : rc 3 t number of lay members , and cu adoukniu ! number of quoad sacra ministers had also goce with them , and that her Majesty ' s Government would watch the proceedings of the General As ^ euibly with regard to any measure that legally constituted body might adopt . The drbate on the Canadian Com question was then mumed and carried with some ^ pirit . On a division , ministers had a majority of 1 C 3 , tho numbers being , for Lord Stanley's proposition , 344 ; fcr the amendment , 155 .
TUESDAY , May 22 . A great number of petitions on various questions were prertrucu . Mr . H AWF . s brought on his motion , for an address to the Qietn on tho subject of Danish Claims . Tho motion was withdrawn on a point of form .
' j ' , ' i ¦ i \ ' I KNUTSFORD GAOL . 1 Mr . T . DTJNCOMBE said that . ' m rising to call the attfcul . oii oj tLe House to the motion of which he had : piven notice , be might be allowed to explain how one \ bo totally uEconmated with ths County of Chester , ' came to be mix ^ d up in a question apparently of a j local character . When , on the 22 nd of February , he , rose to call tbe attention of tho House to tbe conduct ; of tha Lord Cliief B-ron ( Lord Ablnger ) , at the special j commission , l . eid last Outober , while he ( Mr . T . Dun-; combe ) found fault with some of the sentenees passed i by that JWuie a ; . d Learned Lord , he Baid that tho ' , severity of those sentences was much aggravated by the
severity vith which the prisoners were treated in the gaol ol Ivnulsfwd On tbe following day tbe Honourable Member for Ch'js ' uire asked why be ( Mr . T . Duncombe i h : i < i tut > , iven him notice of bis intention to alJude to theditcipLte enforced at Knutsford , and at the same time i > r . \ -i that be ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) had been altogether misirf . rHie 1 en the sutject . Ho immediately wrote to his inf .. 'mint to tuy tb . it his statements were j likely to be diij-uteii . The statenimis which he ( Mr . T . Daccjnu . Lj L ; t <\ rcr . de relative to the treatment of the prisonua ut Jlnutsf ' . rd , a : nounu-, l to this ; that the ' Chartist prisoners corn j * ) is :. i -1 that on their arrival at the priEon , they b . A bf < ± u : »' : •! cr-sed in v * ry violent and ] inBolent langua ^ u b \ - the gcul ^ r ; second !? , that some of out of
those prisoners v-vn i-ut uj . on the tr . ^ dnall their , turn for the a : nu-. 2 incpt of some Ic-Jits and gentlemen wco visited the prison ; tLinlly , that the overseer of those prisoners was hini ^! f a felon , and fhst these pri-, scners were thus compelled to associate with a felon ; [ and fourthly , that their food was ii . snffieient both in quantity ar . d quality . Oa tbe following Monday , tbe Honourable Member for Cheshire gave a ' most unqualified contradiction to the st tutnent which be Ulr . T . Dunconibe ) b&d made o . - the authority ' of his informant , a gentleman resilient in Stocfcport , and the testimony of one of the pris-r ^ rs was produced in Fupp&rtof the contrac ' . Action . He ( Mr . T . Duncoinbei iu'T . edis ' . tly observc-4 that such contradict ons coming
Lorn pri ? oncro , under tho control of the magistrates ongbt to be received with extremo caution , and therefore ho begged leave to adhere to the statement he bad originally m Ae . After that contradiction , be thought th :- House Blight fairiy complain of the attempt that had bten made to mislead the House . If he had himself given way on that occasion , perhaps not one cf the iniquities connected with this prison wculu tvor have come to Kght In consequence , however ,- cf his perse verarca in adhering to his itatement , the Ki ^ tit Hou . Baronet opposite announced bia intention to send down an inspector to investigate the circumstances connected with tbe case , if be ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) would furnish him with the information which he was possessed ol .
Mr . Wi liains , the inspector of prisons , accordingly proceeded to institute an investigation into the ca-e , and among otber witnesses examined tbe Chaplain oi the prison ; and if Hon . Gentlemen would take the trouble to read the report of Captain Williams , they would find that every rtatement made by him ; ilr . T . Dunccmbe ) -was fully prored and wbrtantlated by tiict report With respect to the charge apiinBt the goven-or of having used to the prLwners Tiolent and ii ; eulting language , the In « p « ctor « aid that , upon the c ; -ecurrent testimony of the p risenera themselves , corroborated in a considerable degree by tfce etidence ol Mr . Trccey , an officer of the county gaol , it appeared that tbe words addresaed to prisoners by the governor , on their arrival , were to the following
effect : — " Now , you epecial commission men , you were sent here to be puEished , and you shall be punished . Tbe discipline of this prison ib so rigorously enforced , and tbe lawe eo strict , that if I haTe to punish any
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of you , it -will have such an tff jet upon your constitutions , that even under the m-ut favourable circumstances , the strongest man among you won't have a constitution that I would give twopencn for when your stnttnee shall expire . " Mr . Tracey described this as " harsh language , " but he { Mr . Duncombe ) believed the hou'e would agree with him that- it was a most brutal sptech . Tiio report afterwards proceeded : — " The chaplain also deposes , that on th 9 5 th of December the governor ^ iet him i'i the prison yarrt , and , apparently under considerabla irritation , addresaed him in these words : Fairhurst . and some of these GhartUts , have been com plaining about their K-efy and further said , * D iinn taesa Chartists , 1 * 11 give them tiieir belly-full beforo 1 have done with them . '" It ar > : > aarert , whon
this ppeeuh was made , no third per . son was present . ( H ^ ar , hear , from Mr . Egerton . ) Fioni that cnecr it ¦ was tsvidcut that the Hon . Member Kluuded to give credence to tho testimony of tho ^ . ovyrior in prefavence to a man-of respectability Hko tho R ; v . Chaplain of the gi « . 'l . If the governor deaibd th « : • cnvacy \? i tho charge why had he not cross-examined ' . Uc Chuplain on thr > ' poi nt ? I ;> consequence of what ha-. I tifrcn pbco , he ( Mr . T . D . in-. ombw ) had otL- r lestimc . tiy ttsp- criopr the Inngua ^ o Mr . Burgess , thj ^ overi . or , was in the habit >¦ ¦ " uaing with respaC : to his prisoners . It r / . ns a letter from a tradesman of Knutf-ford , ¦ wLo waa qaitu rer « : 1 y to come beforo a committee of Lho H -use , i < ? c ^' . nmi ' . teo should he granted . Tbe letter ran tbus -.
—" Knutsford , March 17 , 1843 . " Sir , —After perusing your remarks lately ma ' . ' a in tbe House of Commons relative to thy House of Corrtction at Knutsford , I beg leave to stato tl'at Burgess , who * s tho head gaoler , has In the most unfeeling manner { iii ' iHcly boasted , iu tho midst of a promiscuous company , in tht > bir of tho Georgo Ion , where he occas'f-. na ' . ly i ; oes to pass hia eveninge , ' of tbe sliort time in ¦ which by bis prison discipline he can brfak down ( , n lie < xprosie ;! $ > who frtqauafc the iun retire with horror from his prp ! H-.- > cn on accwunt of the merciless remarks h « hiibitua ' iiy indulges in , relative to tho treatment of his prisoner : ' . "
Fur li ' s pirthe ( Mr Duncombe ) believed Mr . Brown , and he il' 1 not believe Mr . Burgess ; aud ho thought there wnnld be great d : ffi .: alty in finding : my ono out ui that H >« :-1 ) jbe ' . ' .: vethat Mr . Burgess did not ua « the words ultribntetl to him ly Mr Brown . Tha report von ' c or . l ... aay— " It is ailesed that certain of the prisoners were , on Thursrtny , the 20 th of Octobur . in the senior .. * week , placed upon the treadwheel , out of tbt-ir rt-gu . : 'r ti- 'iTi , for the purpose of shewing it working to straor . rs visi ' . ' ng thehouro of correction . It appears to be customary for the grand jury , at every sessions and adjournfit . sesnions , to go through tho house of correction previous to their discharge , and that they are occaeio : i ; : iiy accompanied by females ; that at such times , v . ' the tn'idwheel is not at work , prisoners are
eallb ( out from thtir wards and placed upon it for a short time , to . show the nwm '« " » *?» — •>••*¦« nO ' »* couipiaint [ Hide by the pri . suuers of having on ono occasion been j-lacf A on tta whi-ol for such purpose in the 3 u 3 sion 3 wtt ! :, i (? , I consio ^ r , just , and that the practico is at all t ' . iT . >» objtotional . " Here again the inspector fully bore him ( M r . Dunconibcj out ia tbu charge ha had made . Attl ; j O ^ ner : ii ( Quarter Sessions , hsld on the 17 ' h of last mouth , tho magistrates there assembied agiet'd to a import to tin S .-cr .-tavy of State , in reply t'j the report ¦ f tha inspector . In speaking of th ** practice of placing priiotitrs on the trea-i-wheel , for thu purpose cf sh ' .--s . ing ita working to vieiiors , tho report of tho rrifightrales said , "It Appears to the Court that tho niMclicc has prevailed upon the occasions
of the visits \> i the nr . ud javy , and , as Captain Williams allies , on aomo ot : ; tr occasions ; but , as the latter inbtatc-s appear to haw P ' .-cnrred always in theprosencd of a uuvg ! stTs " . i ! , thi 3 Court considers the governor to be txoner . iti >! . " Kc wi < ready to prove that the statement that t ! ii ; i v . -ns Qiver >' . otic except iu presence tf a magistrate Wuh f . ilao . Ke cuuld prove that la ^ t summer a party , bc ' wien fuur . 'nul five in the afternoon , went to Ktd tho pris-m , an > : i vh'it S"me prLsouurs were called out , for the amusement of the visitors , to show the work ; ris of th ' ¦ wheel , ami that neither the governor nor a inagiatri ' o waa present The employment of a felon sv . ts uamittert . Tho njc ^ istratts s-nVJ , " It appears to the cou : t ttnt a prisoner convicted of felony hv . B bien appointed by i '; .- ' { governor to instruct
misdemeanants in tt ; o w « : av ;> : i . ' , but ho had r . o authority ov 6 r them , and was nevf-r -vith them , unices he was called for by them to fott : V < . uiitU'riais or to viotruct them . This court hive rvdi liiruutious that euch practice shall not occur f- . r thu faiure . " The iiisuffici ^ ncy of food wni also m ' . mitted , nnd thus was each of his ( Mr . Thtmins Dan ^ 'Uie ' fl ) charges fully borne out by tho rtport of the iufcptetor . It appeared that the mapistrato ^ called the chap ! ain bi ' foro tht-m on the 17 th of-March , nnd su ; jec' < I h " uu to aneximina'ion . n questing him to btaU- what !> ad passtii between aim and the inspector , 't ' . ' : ; m-igf '' rates knew very \ s-Ai what hail occurred , f .-v in ; -. "y of ' iheir . bad been prespnt at tha ex-munition oi' tin ch' . pla ' u hy Captain \ Y iiams . It would have bmr b tier , crr . aiuly , uniler
t ! se circuriijtinces , if tho clri > Utm iui'l nn « wer < . d a » once , anfl had sai . l , " Yes , I < iiu fay . « - / :: nd no ; I did give this information ; I was o : ; niy oat ' , and bound t > ^ r <" -.: k the truth . " Hu was aakcrl wby he ha . i not informed the ma ' , ' ! 8 fra . t > a at the time the words were ubhi ! by the governor ? He said he h-id received orikrs , several years ngo , to conBna bim . ° uif t ) ljis spiritual duties . He ha- ' , howevctr , repi / att-rt ' j" t- ;; y -r ^/ i on the jr > ur « ial . casts of iriv ^ ulutlty on tbe pu ; t > : f il-.-s ijovernor , ; uch . as non-attendanca at prayer : ; , < r aiviuo serTice , which , accvnlin <( to the rules , he vv . ; a Kua : i to attend The result of ail this had beeu tl _ e iii . i « ii «? al i' Mr . Brown , the chaplain . Ono charge broui . at u ^ r nst Mr . Brown was , that he was in the habit of forreep ) nuinflr with ? iii « ( Mr . Duncou . be / —( a kutjh . ) He h ~ d not been aware tbat there was any very serious wr < ug in t \
man ' s corrbspnmUrg with hiw , but , if thtro -ad i :. v \ a an iff ^ nco Mr . Brown was wholly innocent of ; fui until he ( Mr . Duncomhe ) henrd of bis disiaiPMi , he cad i . < -ver known cf Mr . Brown"s existence . The Ri ht Hon . Ba . onet the Secretary of State for th-j Homo O . p . irtment , in a letter address ; d to tLe Civairinan of the General Quarter Session i for tho couuty of Cht : U-r had pronounced his opiuion o : ; the conduct cf the governor in these words : — " I havo * . Lu honour to transmit to you a copy of tbe report uf the ii ) sprctor of prisons for the northern district , c : \ an ii quiry into thu tnatment of prisoners in tbe Ki'ut .-font H' . nf ^ e of Correction . It is unnecessary for tut- to enc l ose a Cfpy of the report which I received from vhu visiting justices soon after the termination of U-o
inquiry , as they will i > ns , and request their attention most especially v . ytb ( .-e which relate to the conduct of tht > governor , th . it tl : * y mu ' y determine whether , after what has occurre'i , they can . with cenfideuce and with safety , continue bin ; in an oiHco of such responsibility . I forbear pointing out tbe various particulars which show
indiscretion iu the governor and inattention to his duties ; but I cannot omit to mention one instance iu which he appears to me to have been guilty of very great misconduct . I refer to a certain caBO in which , after th 3 express directions of the surgeon that corporal punishment should cease , be insisted thut it should be continued , and it was continued accordingly . The magistrates are fully aware that if , ou that occasion , life had been endangered and duath had ensued , the governor must have been trie > i od a charge na less than of homicide . And I am persuaded the magistrates will be sensible of the great responsibiJity which must be incurred by them , from subjecting prisoners any longer to the custody of one who could bo misconduct
himself . " The magistrates , however , hsd addressed the secretary in these terms : — " Tbis court remarks tbat it would be very convenient and conducive to the discipline of the priBon , if the inspector would report to the visiting magistrates any misconduct ia the officers or any other matter requiring their notice , as soon as It came to his knowledge , to which the magistrates -will pay immediate attention . This court concludes by sayin # , t / hat after a careful investigation of the charges referrect to its consideration , it is of opinion that with the exception of the case of the boy Trainer ( which has a lready been adjudicated upon ) , such charges are in themselves not of much importance , and their recurrence provided against , and are not such as to deprive
the governor of the confidence -which the magistrates have hitherto reposed ia him , and which bia general good conduct and the discipline which he has m&intaiaed in the prison have appeared to deserve . " He ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) would maintain again that ^ all his charges had been fully borne oat by the inspector ' s report , and if the correctness of that report was doubted , that -was an add ? tional reason -why this committee , for which be was about to move , ought to be granted . Among other charges against the governor was , that ho had neglected to affix the rules 5 n a proper part of the prison . This -was treated rb a ui&ttfct of little importMics , but be \ Mr . T . Duncombe ) thought tb « ra was no part of the prison regulations of
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more importance to the unfortunate prisoners , to whom it was of tho highest importance to know the xalea by which they ware governed , and the nature of the rights of which they Were not deprived . It was fountl that the gaolar had employed the prisoners , contrary to law , in mending his gi *; t ' . ie ir-ja was caid to bo only worth sixpence , but ha ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) believed it to be rea . \ ly Worth three shillings and sixpence . Bit suppose it be only worth sixpence , they saw men committed every day for stealing a few halfpence Worth of , apples or turnip-tops . Then us to tbe circumstances connected with ttw whipping of the boy Edward Trainer , thj case was Bat'I to have been adjmUcateiJ upon ; but tha fact was * that ha had been mersly reprimanded by the m 9 £ ; 3 tritu 3 There was another c-.. «
in which a boy , named B-:. ' ^ jft , h ;< d besr . tViggct ! pi ; Viot ; slv to hia n . niov . J to P-irizhurst prison ; and he was flogged so care ' t 3 l ; - \ that hia e ^ a was severely irjured by the thorn , ' H : undc'stootl that when a p ^ r sjii was to bs flj ^ eri ; u th ; s giol , the town crier of lvnutsford was caile- * Jn to inflict the- punishment at tho rate of tv . -o tshiilnv" for eich person . It was oft ° r . the case thr » t bo tur ^ eon ; or as ? ist . int-su-geca , attended to witness tl ' . o flor ? i : g administered , bat merely u , i apprentice . The report of the > surs ^ oa , Mr . D . ace , on the stite of the gasl , prison rtiel , &o ., staled that since his appointment to the cfficfi hu had notice the falling away of the men trnpinytd in labour ; thii bis convict ' oa was , that after au . experience o £ ECt eu years , it was impossibly to L ' etp tneu undergoing a long se ; itcnc «
of imprieouiafmt , ia ordir .: iry htjaltu , ou u reducuti allowance of food , p . nd ho , thbrufore , recommended that the allowaneo shou'd bj iuc . ca «; : i . Instead , however , of the gaoler givi ' .-g tho ^ risc . n ^ . n ^ u increase of food . as recommended bj- the Musjei >; t , t ' : i ; punishtnent continually rcaortod to w ^ s a t . ' . oppaj ' . u ot thtir food . Daring tho threo mouths ouc ! ir ^ tUo " 10 : u of March , 1843 , the stoppages of ' . lint had b ;; en on tLo average 302 daily [ an Hon . Member on tho Minister ; : ! benches exciainiod "No ; that was tho nuinbsr of prisonms . " ] Stoppage of diet wae tho only description of puaiihment resorted to , and it fell f . vqaontly on the samo individual . The magistrates , however , denied to think that aU these matters wcr » cf no c > n 3 equ « .: ce ; they retained
thu paolev but dismissed tha chaplain . If they thought th « chaplain nn improper p-. i-s ^ n , v ? hy had they given him all thoso testimonials when applying for the chaplaincy of the Ptntoiiville prison . Iu July 1842 , the magistrates spoke of the aa .-rid ; ou 3 manner in which he had performed his duties as rhcplain—of his upright and moral character as a clergyman and a Christian , although ia their report to the Secretary of State they said bo W ! S not entitled to their cynli . Ieiicc , and had not buen so for the last threq years . Tha gaoler , tho sur-: getm . the schoolmaster , the tait-masU-r , aud the matron all addi . 'd tfaeir testimouy to the exemplary conduct of the ctnplain , as would bo aeen by the following docunieuLs : —
" Kauttiford House of Correction Committee-room , July 2 fi , 1842 . " We , the undersigned magistrates , constituting the griol committee of the House of Correction , Kuutsford , in tha county of Chester , and others , have great satisfac'ion in bearing our testimony to th ? z ai . assiduity , and fa : thfulness with which tbe Ryv . W . K . Browne , ' M . A ., our chaplain , has performed hU oa «! Twi 8 duties ditiing two years and n . I' :. iif nn * -i .- « «¦ - -=-upngat ana moral character , as a clci-f , 7 nian and a Christian . ( Signed ) " E ^ erton Loigh , Hyde Jno . dark , L . P . Townshend , G . Wi br < iliara , K J . Loyd , J . H . Harp&r , Jis . tf France , Kobe . Holiingworth , John Howard , Chairman , Harry Mainwarinc . "
" Taa Rov . W . Browne has hold the situation of ctnplain to the House of Oon- < jet : oa herv ,. for nearthr <; j years ; and having had , during that period , almost daily cominuaication with him , I have groat pleasure in bearing testimony to V :. i z . » a \ anil assi Uiity wiwi whicb be has discbargei th < j f ' . ntita tf his < . ffL'e . Ho Las shown himself sincerely ar . xii . us for the moral ; mprovsiuer : t of the prisoners , and has spared no pa n 3 to accomplish his object . ( Si < uod ) " R ' charil Di'an , ' 3 a : goon to the House of C / rrection , ' Kiut&foid , ChcbuiTe . " July 28 , 1842 . "
" House uf Correction , Knutsford , Jnly 28 , 1 S 42 . " Tbe B « . \ V . ii : owne liavins ; t fficiutt = ' . l as cb : » plain hera now two and a Laif years , snti baviug \ xen in daily coniTuunicatio . i , in my official capacity , with him for tt \ &t nertocl , I bog to atld my testimony , along wk ? i sevoril magistrates wh « hsvo eiirnfri n . testimonial ir . his f . Tuur , to the tfticient manner in wbich he has cli 6 cl .-.:- >;«' . i his duties , anil tl ¦_ ¦ actwo a :. 'U displayed by hiu ro uaka himself useful in his luinisterijl vocation . His private character will bLur strict inviistigi ' . iou . iS )« aed ) " CiEO . Buroess . Gcvr-rnor . "
Thomas Huyos , sc > -u . ijj uter aDd clerk , says , " The chaplain baa been v ry :: ' . tci'tivo to the boys , both a « to relijjioD and ether nuttiurs . II ' . teaches tha : ; hi :: i-Eelf . He is th * first ; urupldiu vvh > ! as done so ; alwr ; y ; txamiijt's the boya as to th <> cfca ^ tsr that has butu reaU : teach ^ n them Buollinj ?; lettun . 3 'liily . Chnpbun has always strove v-ry mixii to do gc-xl by kciures . Chaplain catechises tho , hcj ; - i > . ? nUrly on a Saturday , when they repeat the . mIU . cz . / 'h ; : t was m-7 ^ v ciuii « . ' before Mr . Browne's lir : io . ¦ Hi ; ba ? dona hia < iuLy to the boys , you nny ( ' epeni \\ z o-. it . tisrimasterisi Ctpiain
Greaves , .- , . ; . s , "; :: never nng-Jec f ed his duty , he !; a » it ' t-f : him Wk- prianners t ¦> h ' . * room repeatedly . He nevr h'i : < r . ! a complaint cf tho chaplain at the hospital . H'cipic . ; nivu attend chapel lectures every day after j . ruyr * . He i Greats ) has betnmucb edified by vhese itjeUn-a . Hu explnina tlie Scripture in a clear ami seusib'c -a ay , eo as tho humblwBt capacity may uncier ^ ' ^ ni ? . Ntvtr h a " vl ii prisoctr complain of chapk n ' s aes ; l ct . Ci ^ atantly more or less , chaplain tnkes T ^ ourrs io h < - "T'v . ita room . This has been his usual liitl . it . H-its t . ikun ibtm particularly beforo the . sacrament . ''
Mrs . Gcslcell . matr > a , s . yi , " Tr . " ch . ipla ' nhRe been very attentive . Tbe « oi ; mi ever v ,-. r « ir . uch iaitructu : before his time . She alvviy * r . c ^ iir ¦ ¦ ¦ : : ) o ? -. aplaiii wii-.-a pribouersare ;! L Hv hu ^ alw ,. \ . i -v . ¦ : \< S . ; A inimeiiitely . A . ^ ways bus prayed with pvwor . t- ' -s wiien r . qubsted by tlitstn . She ( the matron ) had mc > wn ; iw .-. ' him oa these oc « s : ons . Ch 3 p / ain ban asked t'n-: i w ' r ^ i huc they w ^ hed to be prayed to w . -y fi » i'ent ; y . J . ivenilo femaka were never instructeii i ^ Urc ^ nt iriy si well . Sne never heard of thu ciiup ' a ' n iii . ^ Lctir ^ his duty . She ( iniitron ) never oniits takir ; - ; t :. ' ° s / vernnr ' -i order . Tub chaplain ' s conversation witVi jriau'itrs wh- ; : ' sit k , rtjlJjfioua , and good . She'has r >! -. vavs ai . en . ltd Uurins those conversations . C-isol / iiii h ; ts niwajj La 6 Cd ;; v . r-
sation wit ! , the prisoners previor . 3 : > t ^ eir t ;> iiuig the Fi » c » . iinent . " M ' - . Bro ' . vr ; mieht , indeed , be vr' . ; proijdof forfeiting ihe coufid' nco of such magistrate -. Tiiey , i . u vover , Jip . i ; nade up their minds six v ;> r' bti -r ^ > . o ;}; = imr th ^ eh . \ pla . i ! i , ' ^ ud thf-y did uot «••> c c .: ! rr . ; u-:: iie th' ¦ cmtt' r » vi-h thoso who ' . '<• '' ! i ¦ ¦ * h \ - i ^ tcv ^ m , Mr . G . \ Vi ! bra . "am , Mr . E . Sta-i . •;!¦ . - " . D iu " .-pert . Oik of tlie ru 3 £ Htrate : > u .-s .-. . " Is i \ , ; - tuio ! to bp goverjictl by the Secretary <• ' :-vr . e or rbo inayi . ' . traieJ of tho county ? " —( hear , h >¦) . The rf ¦ •!¦ ¦ . - 'ary o'' State wrote to the visiMV- jn . un ,.- * ., .-: ^ 'ii > : ; hw rt ^ vet that the governor of in- ; tx > ¦ ' . •' .: ¦¦ ¦ : ]¦' ¦ iiav . j be ; n c nsidered fit to bo coutiuued m > -. \^ ? ¦ tee , nvl
exprrs ^ ing an opinto ' i that the covivc-: ' .: : ^ rt t '< Alowcd should bavu led to his jmuodiaio ^ smi- ^ i . Tnat Utter , he thought , reflected the ;' , re ; i c ~ : crcu't on tho Ititht Honourable Bsiroru . t—( h- ^ ar . htar ) It was a bold and true statement of iho c ^? e—a bold and iruo censure on those for vvhcin he mi ? M be supposed to have had some predilection . Thu Ri ^ ht Honourable Baroner had proved that he was above political IVflins oa t !» i important occasion , and had passed a censure « u the ma « .. " ' -a ' cH , to \ v ' : i :.-h he was eatisfi- il tho wh ^ ' : ; nblio wv . uld respond . Hut noiv that l ' : < . ? Sfcwary « f State '' . aJ clone his duty , he maintained 'hai u ¦ .- -sfor ParliampnttoHo theira . It was impossible thi' t ' : i ; qut : s ' io ;> oon \ d srop whero it was . Th ^ ivi-por . eibiiily , aai .. f : ioKi ^ ht
Honourable Baronet , lay on the ms . t . 'l- 'itv * . -,, ? ut he ( Mr . T . Duncombe ) n ^ ii-Misied thu , t ii . i ^ y on Parliament . He did not t ' . ii ' : ; : o Ri ^ hf . Ii a Baror . ec could carry the nwMcr further ' than ha had done . He might certainly ha *; cancel'ed the corcaiis&ion , and remodelled it ; bui tuat would leva rcaponsibility on the Right liai . ' . ftivnnot , wh . ch no uian had a ; right to impose . It w .-s now for P . irhament to interfere . Be did not thick th-. v ) y \ * yet probed to the bottom the iniquities a -A corru uons ot' this gao ! ; he believed that still :: rr . j . ter existed than appeared on tho face of the document , and for this reason he asked for a committ . o . He vr-u . s prepared to prove that within these few ciay-, Burz <•« , die gaoler , had collected some of the pri on ofli ,: er ., and teid them that the magistrates w re del . .-ra ^ r ^ d to stand no
mere of this nongease , and that i ; . > ny of the effiecra ' were found divulging auyth'r ;; a pass id in the ; prison , they would be imaaedia .. y tikmissed . This ' was lately mads by this man , who possessed the con- fidenoe n the mtjoTity of tha Choshiro magistrates . It ought not to be forgotten thai , from 2 , 000 to 3 , 000 individuals passed annually through this gaol , and therefore the administration wns of some importance , j If nothing farther were to be di > ii < ed respecting it , , the inspectors of prisons wou ' .. aover bo able to ' arrive at the truth . If the ma ^ i ^ ti . 'es doubted the accuracy of the inspector ' s repm-L ia thit * instance ,: and thought ho had misled tho , S ; crotary of Srate , that was an additional reason for * r . ntiug the committee . But , at all events , he thought U ;» t Parliament ' would see the necessity of strongheniog the hauds
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' fj / i : -l-l < rv- - ' A ^ tk ^ U / lJ £ ; & 4 . ^ A- v ^ ; //^ - ^ L ^> / ^ , yri Cs- <¦ ' Iof the Saofalary of State , nd ffraatine t-.-Y- !> et powers : er tne regulation arys-. em so Xj-i of jasticeav . d humanity , ag had ni < j 7- , rd wit ^ r ? ^ . 139 to this prison . The Honourable Membor co ; .: ded by moving the foilowtng rcsolutioa : — " Tho * " it > op » aring to this House that the S ^ retary of S ' af - i ' ox the Homo Dapartment , after inqiiry made v . nTier hi 3 authority into certain circumstances r < maecte . d with the discipline and mana ^ manc of" tho Knp . tsford House of Correction , ia the county of Chester , has thought it r « h ? to advise that the governor of the said Housr- oi C
orrection should be removed ; and it also ap ,-i tig that the magistrates , in sessions asseaabku . ' uyb , after an alleged careful examination , dr" ::: * "; he charges referred to them by Jho Secretary of Suvts , with oao exception , not of much jmpor : 3 ! Kv , ior such as to deprive the governor of the < 'v :. 'A . ica opposed in him , and which , ae they allege , Hi u ; . ral good conduct , and the discipline ho had uxS . < ..:. jd , appeared to de ' -rvc ; aud , thcro ^ re , thed x : ' governor , contrary to the recocira' > n . ! ar ! O 2 ! . ' 'ha Secretary of State , has been continue :- ? iu Uj ; :: ce ; and it being alleged by tho Rev . William ^ ¦ ' ne , m his petiiion , presented to this Hou-o , th . it -has been disclosed by tho magistrate ? , af-ergi ' . ; ; vioenco a < rinst the governor before the i .. * p < .: of prison ? , upon the examination instituted h \ -ach inspector , under the authority of Mie i '^ -t . t v of
, State ; and thia House , considering that tie . uii- " -ud pi-ontr saans-geiBfir . t of the said gaol au « \ v- r itnp&rtsriCfs to tho public , and that tho amomc - ; sS tnitenaiiy depend upon the characfor anJ . : ¦ tec •' ;' _ t- S'jvcrnor thereof , and upon duo pro- . on r . ' -y . iuj afforded to persons who may from : to tits , be called upon to givo evirlence bf : fs , i- ' 1- ¦ m-^ poc : or of i > n--oa » ia respect thereof : it is iv : d , rk ? . t u . 5 t-: cct couimittco be appointed , io -:: q-i ! ¦ ^ o the c . ^ id-ct and ruanagctneni of tno Raid ' ¦•„ - ol Corr : ? . i - ' oi :. ) : i re- pect to the matters ref . ; : v I ; ha report of the nvit'istrates , and a ' 30 into th > . . rattancrr ; crrnit'cicd with tho dismissal 0 ! : i .-: v Willjaai Jirojviie , tho lzte chaplain c / t . id IIouso of Correction ; tho said commltt ¦ . : > > rt tho evico ,:. ce takvc , aad their opieion th " ci \ -r . -i : ha Hoii ' i" "
Mr . W . 0 . Stanley pecovclcd Ike motifs . Mr . Tatto . n U 0 E . 11 TON as one of th « Chtshit- Mafci ^ tr : ite 3 implicated , deu'ed that the governor . '" ' : he pviaoa pot- ^ SFcd his confidence , aud ext ;> - ?• his ro ^ rct at tiiu course which they bad adoi » i--j ' < at even admitting that they had erred in jiu . ; r » t , ni ! -. ij-: by f « 'ciln ;; ji of attachment to a . ' ¦ ad faiil ^ ul servant , ttill a body of thirty-four , " ¦; . > oa resiu . ng in aud well acquainted with the ? ry , mus-t be beticr judges of all the circumstasr ... , ;< aa the Hc-. ise . The . chaplain had attributed kU < . iigm : ssal to palitical motives , which \ rss a lifcp' on the mssistratce , for a large portioa of those who ooaoumd ia it were liberal in their political princ' ^ og , and h ? had been treated leniently , considtrh . - ; . n ' conduce . He oprosed tho motion .
Sir Gironos Strickland said investiga ^ -oa wa 3 absolurcly nece ? sxry . He had defended th ? ' - " -at unpaid" ia periods when they . were not very v- ~ : ' Ut ; put , tho allegations against the Governor of K . utsiord gaol were too srrious to be passed over ecmg tho manner in which tho aagistrs * ' ; ad Bcreened him . Mr . H ; . ref . ht Cuuteis wag also convinc ' : i ? . t there siiould bo inquiry . His prejudices , as a .-. ¦ istra ' . e , had been enlisted against the motior ., i- ,. ha speech of Mr . T . Duacombe had satisfied him ' = ; a strong ca ? e had been made out , to which no suiii .-ut answer had ccen given .
"Sir J . Graham raid that it was not his iutc ^ ¦ > t ^ o enter at length into tho question which tlv tJon Member for Fmsbury had that evening b :.-. w .-Ut before the House . In the first place , it was hi- iuty to acknowled ge that the Hon . Member wa >; ¦ n'lj justified in bringing that matter under the co .-iderntion of the House . Ha must also complimerii tha Hon . Member for the dispassionate manner hi v / hich ho had stated the cass to the , rj ««»~ it . / - ¦ _ t Oraha » . » ~ - — ' - » - ' aucei J 113 attention r * the rea , I point involved in tho motion of the Hon . Member for a committee to inquire into the conduc : aad
management of the House of Correction . 11 ¦ concurred in what had ialleu from the Hon . li-tr . ^ nct the member for Prestoa . Ho thought v ? ki . tliafc Hon . Baronet that this question ought to be carefully sifted . If he ( Sir J . Graham ) considered that any additional inquiry would bring to light an ? new facts in connexion with this case—if he cou d be induced to believe that the investigation t « k 'l for by the Hon . Mernbur would be productive of >; odheweuld not rcsb : the motion for a comaiir : v of iiKJuiry . It had been affirmed that the Prison
Tn-? pector 3 had no power to investigate . A .--pacial inquiry had been made and was before lh ^ > . " . use . He diff « rcd from tho view which the Hoao > ; . blg Member for Chester had taken . He rhi-ught that the matter which had reference ^ to the-tb : piaia had been quite settled . With reference t . ' the conductor that g «; ntlciaan he was not pr ^ puv d to proaounco an opinion . He had no kno « - > - re o £ the leading facts . Tha Hon . Member ijr Fn bury complained that he ( Sir J , Graham ) had ir ¦ lad upon the table of the House al ! tho reports in- ' ¦ > by the Prison Inspectors . Under certain cirenm-: .. nse 3 reports of this kind ought to bo considered c- > f a a- confiaontial character . Comnmnicxtioi : Iso which were made between the Sesretarr o . . ^?* q
and the bench of magistrate ^ should bs vi . v ¦ i as of-nfidentia ! . _ U .-idtr the particular eirc'im . Wu- . » ol tht- case ho ( sir Jzmes Graham ) ? . ; ouid have t ^ ht th , t he had acted wisvly if he had refused pui > i P . 13 to the letters to which allusion h-d been :.: -de . Wi . list on this subject , he was bound to :-- at-: ! iat tiif : most d flicult p ^ rt in th' ? ad ; u ! . trarior < ¦ . ' hi 3 oiilw was the njanunenientof iho praols of Uv . i '" i ' . at : > . ( L'iie « rs . ) But he was bound a !> oto : » ihafc from trie magistracy in general he had r-cch--. ' , in tho discharge of hiscfS . eml duties , tb » i jhwJ t : ! ' ::--at f-sjjstance . ( Cheers . ) He , therefore . < h- - > u-hr : hafc a . Liy change of tbo Uw in that respect . o ^ -inot b .- ci > iid : icivo ro th * public good . IF the v ^ ci . ; .. uif i rates were to I * j allowed to continue in t '" ' - :. < r-
ci-o ot control , tho power of the ofiin-. / s of ir . -s . ol mist bo vested in them . Thatpor'r -oi' 'i . ntrol would bo very ijuffisient if they hf . ti uct lit- pc / rrer ot r-hnval in cert-in cases . He felt him eif ' : --iaed iu biding , ( hat the majority of the cia ^ iiu-pff ; of tho cuuufy of Chester were in favour cf- tho . xoler remaining iu office . The majority was ovevwi : 1 mii ; g—he di'i noc say unanimous—but ii ^ a-5 i ^ crttunly i : verwhelai ' ip . ii . The majority ua-- composed oi gentlemen entertaining the most c , v site imlitical opinions . He adopted the opinion <¦ : ; . he lion . Member wno had recently addressed the 1 : -u-e , uiid regroticii tr . ut any feclin ? of jea ! ou > , :-.. ^ : id have Jiriaen m couaequcace of his ( Sir J . G " -: - . , s ) interfer ; 'ii-e . U-y v . -as unwilling to eptak v ' . ih of
;; ar- ' : r ^ ss thc d-. ei ?; on to which the ra-i _ i ^ : ' ? g h : r . d coau r « - . specttag tho c ^ njisgal of tho ch . ,-: « lie coula not regard it as a judicious exercise- 01 d . scretionary poivor . Having made this admi ^ i- m ha must say , that he could not consent to the propu :- ' on oi tho Hon . Member for a committee . IU wag strongly of ojiniou that the appointmen * o £ th"s different offici *! personages connected wv . Vl the « aols , as well as the power of disrri-a ! , should be vested in the hands of the mas ^ Ua-y ^ Without pledging the Government to any u ' -u > c measures ho trusted tho House would give the
Secretary _ cf State concurrent power of dismissal vvjih tha maj * tatrates . IU a ^ am as erted , thatjudgiu ; - froai his past experience , he was disposed to cousin . v that it would b » conducivo to the public good ir :-. ¦;¦ tha Secretai-y of Stato thcuM huvo that , power . 11 ., . vu . 3 sorry to de aiu tho Ho ise , but he aiast a ^ airt r . ) ,.-zt , that he did no * think ffcero was auy iro ^ d gru . na lor inquiry . Ho , however , was prepared to a . d : Ai . : hat thj < pi . ; -: tiou could not staiid m its present ¦ v-. ¦ . ' . oa . Hi : oid think that N-jrislativrj { utert ' on-nc-. -. vuii .: i ba Uctvr than tivi inquiry whioh ths Hononriitir . '¦ .-ahen- ff . p Fmsbury soliciU'd . ThJ majis ^^ c . r .:,:. - ; fc . ' l'ivo the p ; v . vr of apoointraenty . id dismi ? = a- u ' . cb
tr- pu ' -i'c opinion , ho was an advr . n . atu for re . '• . : ;; g tii > ' - p AViT in tae local authorities ; !> ut por . ^ - * 1 ... ri-l \ v , s ; : ecr :-s ;;; -y . The Secretary of S : a .: - bii ^ i-. " , ( .:. to fhoir » nc , have conrurrenS jurisdiction wnii ;! . c (¦ :: « .-j ; :-trat : *> s . In r- > nc ! u-ion ne wouU birou ^ ly im ; sjs on tV > e lion . Gontkman the expediency of not ! u :- - rig thi-j question to a division . If he did persist it v . jvil be clesr'y his ( Sir J . Graham 6 ) duty to c !> ! ig again - « , h tn ; but whether there wasaci ' visic-r . or nob he would rrunnse that tho matter should be care . : ! y cor . sd r ; -d by Her Majesty ' s Governing :. t . aud ha c ) ul . i f ' . irther aay , that as at present advr-f . 'l hu was di-po- 'd in the course of the present si ^ -ior ; 10 c ' . iVr ton n l / -. j /; -5 i , itive remedy for the evils C 3 afpa ' . aeu of . ( Cn :-er ? . )
Sir 1 . VViLDE next addressed the House , but in c-inssQuencc of a severe cold the Hon . ir . l L ar ; : » -d ( ibivileranii ' a tono vftxn so low that it war ; tv . u rly impossible to distinguish his sentences in the ga' ' . erv . As far a = * . vo coin . ! understand , he severely cei . -ired the conduce of tha gaoler , and reproved ihe nja _ Hstrates for not taking earlier notice of the abi-Jca If the House did uo : interfere when such a csm of nc ^ l *; ct was prrented to their notice , it WS 3 c ar they would never interfere at all . He exwc- ; . « ed his teir , that bad a- ; tho facts were , the House aid not even yet know ail . As they stood these fa ^ 3
presented an overwhelming case , and uolesb r > e Government would distinctly promise to tab ha case in . o fheir owa hands , he thought the rso <" oa fior tho committee on ^ ht most decidedly to be framed . There w . ia a precedent for such a proceeding ' >¦ ' . e case of a warden of the Fleet Prison , who waa charged soma years back with gross misconduct , up . d whose cise w& 3 atrin-jy investigated by a ' committeo of the House . However , if tho Government would take the subject up , then tho Hob . Member for Fiuabury might leave the matter in their hands , and a division would be unnecessary .
Mr . W . O . Stanlet disapproved of the oonducfi of the Cheshire Justices , bath in the retention of tha gaoler aad in the di&ini . s , sal of the chaplain . Mr . Lech & » ki a lew words in justification of iha magistrates tor the di&aii » 9 al of ihe chaplain . After a few words t ' roru Mr . Hsnlet , who expressed an opinion that tho wiiolo subject of prison discipline must shortly bo revised , Mr . Doncombe replied , consenting to withdraw his motion . !
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